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<p>Yn y fersiwn ddwyieithog, mae’r golofn chwith yn cynnwys yr iaith a lefarwyd yn y cyfarfod. Mae’r golofn dde yn cynnwys cyfieithiad o’r areithiau hynny.</p>
<p>Mae [R] yn dynodi bod yr Aelod wedi datgan buddiant wrth gyflwyno’r busnes.</p>
<p>In the bilingual version, the left-hand column includes the language used during the meeting. The right-hand column includes a translation of those speeches.</p>
<p>[R] indicates that the Member has declared an interest when tabling the business.</p>
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<p>Cyfarfu'r Senedd yn y Siambr a thrwy gynhadledd fideo am 13:30 gyda'r Llywydd (Huw Irranca-Davies) yn y Gadair. </p>
<p>The Senedd met in the Chamber and by video-conference at 13:30 with the Llywydd (Huw Irranca-Davies) in the Chair.</p>
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Huw Irranca-Davies AC
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Llywydd
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Irranca-Davies, Huw
<p>Ocê, gadewch i ni ddechrau. Prynhawn da, bawb. Symudwn yn syth at eitem 1 heddiw, cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal. Cwestiwn 1, Gareth Beer. Dyw e ddim yn bresennol.</p>
<p>Okay, let us begin. Good afternoon, all. We will move immeidately to item 1, questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care. Question 1, Gareth Beer. He is not present.</p>
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<p>Not present.</p>
<p>Nid yw'n bresennol.</p>
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<p>Ni ofynnwyd cwestiwn 1 [OQ64881].</p>
<p>Question 1 not asked [OQ64881].</p>
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<p>Cwestiwn 2, James Evans—ddim yn bresennol.</p>
<p>Question 2, James Evans—not present.</p>
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Irranca-Davies, Huw
<p>Not present.</p>
<p>Nid yw'n bresennol.</p>
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<p>Question 2 [OQ64851] not asked.</p>
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Questions Without Notice from Party Spokespeople
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Llywydd
Irranca-Davies, Huw
<p>Cwestiynau llefarwyr. Galwaf nawr ar lefarwyr y pleidiau i holi'r Gweinidog Cabinet. Yn gyntaf, llefarydd Reform UK, Catherine Cullen—ddim yn bresennol.</p>
<p>We will therefore move to questions from party spokespeople. I call on the party spokespeople to question the Cabinet Minister. First of all, the Reform UK spokesperson, Catherine Cullen—not present.</p>
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Llywydd
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<p>Not present.</p>
<p>Nid yw'n bresennol.</p>
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Irranca-Davies, Huw
<p>Symudwn yn syth nesaf i lefarydd Llafur Cymru, Ken Skates.</p>
<p>So, we will move immediately, therefore, to the Welsh Labour spokesperson, Ken Skates.</p>
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Ken Skates AC
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Leader of Welsh Labour
Arweinydd Llafur Cymru
Skates, Ken
<p>Diolch, Lywydd. Yesterday, I called for decency and respect to be reinstalled, and today we've got it.</p>
<p>Minister, where can I access an assessment on the detrimental health impact that would be inflicted on children if 80,000 young people are deprived of free milk in schools?</p>
<p>Diolch, Lywydd. Ddoe, galwais am adfer gwedduster a pharch, ac mae hynny wedi digwydd heddiw.</p>
<p>Weinidog, ble y gallaf gael mynediad at asesiad o'r effaith niweidiol ar iechyd plant pe bai 80,000 o bobl ifanc yn cael eu hamddifadu o laeth am ddim mewn ysgolion?</p>
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Mabon ap Gwynfor AS
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Cabinet Minister for Health and Care
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ap Gwynfor, Mabon
<p>Diolch yn fawr iawn i'r Aelod am y cwestiwn yna. Gaf i ddechrau drwy fynegi siom nad ydy Aelodau'r brif wrthblaid yn bresennol yma? Roedd yna gwestiynau wedi cael eu paratoi ganddyn nhw ynghylch gwasanaeth meddygon teulu yng Nghaerfyrddin, gwasanaeth gofal gwledig—pethau yr oedd yna Aelodau eraill wedi paratoi ar eu cyfer—a does yna ddim cyfle i graffu a gofyn y cwestiynau yna, sydd yn gadael nifer o bobl Cymru i lawr. A dwi'n meddwl bod yna siom aruthrol yn fanna nad ydy pobl Cymru yn cael y gwasanaeth y maen nhw'n ei haeddu gan ein gwleidyddion.</p>
<p>O ran y cwestiwn sydd wedi cael ei ofyn gan arweinydd y Blaid Lafur, nid oes penderfyniad wedi'i wneud ar hyn. Rydych chi'n gwybod bod yna ymgynghoriad yn mynd rhagddo ar hyn o bryd. Ond, wrth gwrs, mi ydyn ni'n gwybod beth ydy gwerth bwyd iach i bobl ac i blant yng Nghymru, ac mi fyddwn ni o hyd yn cefnogi ac yn annog unrhyw beth lle mae o'n golygu bod pobl yn cael mynediad at fwyd iach er mwyn eu lles meddyliol a chorfforol. </p>
<p>Thank you very much to the Member for the question. May I start by expressing my disappointment that the Members of the main opposition party are not present? Questions had been tabled by them on GP services in Carmarthenshire, on rural health care—and other Members had also prepared for those questions—and there is no opportunity to scrutinise and ask those questions, which lets many people in Wales down. And I think there's huge disappointment that the people of Wales aren't being served as they should be by their politicians.</p>
<p>In terms of the question posed by the leader of the Labour Party, no decision has been made on this. You will know that consultation is ongoing at the moment, but, of course, we do understand the value of healthy, nutritious food for people and children in Wales, and we will always support and encourage anything that means that people can access healthy food for the benefit of their mental and physical well-being. </p>
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Ken Skates AC
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Skates, Ken
<p>Minister, from what you've outlined, I take it that there has been no impact assessment of the consequences of removing free milk from 80,000 children in schools. That is a very, very disappointing situation to be in. Before any consultation takes place about whether to remove something of that nature, surely an impact assessment into the damage that could be caused should be undertaken.</p>
<p>Minister, I join you entirely in criticising those who have failed to attend this afternoon, who have put performative and petulant politics ahead of representing the people that they were elected to serve.</p>
<p>Now, under Welsh Labour, waiting lists had been falling for 10 consecutive months as a result of sustained investment and a relentless focus on recovery. And I recall that Plaid Cymru was often quick to dismiss that progress, but now those waiting lists are rising again. Other than the election, what specifically has changed that has caused progress to stall? And when can patients expect to see waiting times moving in the right direction again?<strong> </strong>Diolch.</p>
<p>Weinidog, o'r hyn rydych chi wedi'i amlinellu, rwy'n cymryd nad oes asesiad effaith wedi'i gynnal o ganlyniadau amddifadu 80,000 o blant mewn ysgolion o laeth am ddim. Mae honno'n sefyllfa siomedig iawn. Cyn cynnal unrhyw ymgynghoriad ynghylch cael gwared â rhywbeth o'r natur honno, dylid cynnal asesiad o effaith y niwed a allai gael ei achosi.</p>
<p>Weinidog, rwy'n ymuno â chi i feirniadu'r rhai nad ydynt yma y prynhawn yma, y rhai sydd wedi rhoi blaenoriaeth i wleidyddiaeth berfformiadol a phiwis yn lle cynrychioli'r bobl y cawsant eu hethol i'w gwasanaethu.</p>
<p>Nawr, o dan Lafur Cymru, roedd rhestrau aros wedi bod yn lleihau am 10 mis yn ddilynol o ganlyniad i fuddsoddiad parhaus a ffocws di-baid ar adfer. Ac rwy'n cofio bod Plaid Cymru yn aml yn barod iawn i ddiystyru'r cynnydd hwnnw, ond nawr, mae'r rhestrau aros hynny'n tyfu eto. Oni bai am yr etholiad, beth yn benodol sydd wedi newid ac sydd wedi atal cynnydd? A phryd y gall cleifion ddisgwyl gweld amseroedd aros yn symud i'r cyfeiriad cywir eto? Diolch.</p>
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Mabon ap Gwynfor AS
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ap Gwynfor, Mabon
<p>Diolch. Mae hwnna'n gwestiwn pwysig gan yr Aelod oherwydd mae pobl Cymru, fel rydyn ni yn y Llywodraeth yma, yn disgwyl gweld y rhestrau aros yn dod i lawr. Dwi ddim yn credu bod yr Aelod yn berffaith gywir yn dweud bod llwyddiant y Llywodraeth Lafur wedi bod yn llwyr pan ddaw hi i restrau aros, oherwydd mi oedden nhw'n dal yn anferthol o uchel pan ddaru ni ddod i mewn i Lywodraeth. A'r patrwm ddaru ni weld o dan y Llywodraeth flaenorol oedd rhestrau aros yn disgyn dim ond i godi eto, ac yn disgyn a chodi, a dyna oedd y patrwm cyson.</p>
<p>Yr hyn rydyn ni wedi ei wneud, fel dwi wedi sôn lawer gwaith erbyn hyn, ydy sefydlu trefn a system sydd yn fwy cynaliadwy. Yn hytrach na bod arian yn cael ei luchio at brynu gwasanaethau allanol i mewn er mwyn tynnu'r rhestrau aros hiraf yn unig i lawr, mi ydyn ni'n buddsoddi i gael system gyfan sydd yn gweithio o'r adeg yna pan fydd rhywun yn mynd i weld ei meddyg teulu, yna'r diagnosis a'r broses ddiagnostig yna, yna'r driniaeth ei hun, ac yna'r ôl-ofal. Dyna le mae ein buddsoddiad ni yn mynd i mewn er mwyn gwneud yn siŵr nid yn unig fod y rhestrau aros yn dod i lawr, ond eu bod nhw'n aros i lawr. A dwi'n hyderus ein bod ni'n mynd i weld y buddsoddiad yna a'r cynllun newydd rydyn ni wedi'i roi ar waith, ac wedi cydweithio efo'r clinigwyr i'w ddatblygu, yn dwyn ffrwyth yn y ffigurau nesaf a fydd yn cael eu cyhoeddi fis yma.</p>
<p>Thank you. That is an important question from the Member, because the people of Wales, as are we in this Government, are expecting to see waiting lists come down. I don't believe that the Member is entirely right in saying that the Labour Government was totally successful when it came to waiting lists, because they were still exceptionally high when we came into office. And the pattern that we saw under the previous Government was waiting lists falling only to go back up again, and then fall and go back up, and that was a consistent pattern.</p>
<p>What we have done, as I have mentioned many times now, is establish a new system that is more sustainable. Rather than funding being thrown at buying external services in in order to bring only those longest waiting lists down, we are investing in a whole-system approach that works from that time when someone goes to see their GP, and then the diagnosis and that diagnostic process, and then the treatment itself, and then the aftercare. That's where our investment is being made in order to ensure that not only do the waiting lists come down, but that they stay down. And I am confident that we will see that investment and that new plan that we have put in place, which we have worked with clinicians to develop, bearing fruit when the next figures are published this month.</p>
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Huw Irranca-Davies AC
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Llywydd
Llywydd
Irranca-Davies, Huw
<p>Llefarydd y Ceidwadwyr Cymreig, Peter Fox.</p>
<p>The Welsh Conservatives' spokesperson, Peter Fox.</p>
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Peter Fox AS
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Fox, Peter
<p>Diolch, Lywydd. Cabinet Minister, general practice is often described as the front door of the NHS, yet GP practices across Wales continue to face growing pressures on their ability to deliver care. The 'Future of general practice in Wales' report found that, despite handling around 90 per cent of the NHS contacts, the share of NHS spending allocated to general practice has continued to fall, and concluded that delivering care closer to home would require a genuine shift of resources into primary care and a serious sustained financial commitment. Cabinet Minister, you were a member of the committee, with me, that reached conclusions that action was now needed to increase the proportion of NHS funding allocated to general practice, and to ensure that GP practices have the resources needed to meet growing patient demand. Can you share your progress in trying to alter that funding regime to enable GP practices to do what we want them to do?</p>
<p>Diolch, Lywydd. Weinidog Cabinet, yn aml, gelwir ymarfer cyffredinol yn ddrws blaen i'r GIG, ac eto, mae practisau meddygon teulu ledled Cymru yn parhau i wynebu pwysau cynyddol ar eu gallu i ddarparu gofal. Canfu adroddiad 'Dyfodol meddygaeth deulu yng Nghymru' fod cyfran gwariant y GIG a ddyrennir i ymarfer cyffredinol wedi parhau i ostwng er ei fod yn ymdrin ag oddeutu 90 y cant o gysylltiadau â'r GIG, a daeth i'r casgliad y byddai angen ymrwymiad ariannol parhaus a symud llawer iawn o adnoddau i ofal sylfaenol er mwyn darparu gofal yn nes at adref. Weinidog Cabinet, roeddech chi a minnau'n aelodau o'r pwyllgor a ddaeth i gasgliadau fod angen gweithredu nawr i gynyddu'r gyfran o gyllid GIG a ddyrennir i ymarfer cyffredinol, ac i sicrhau bod gan bractisau meddygon teulu yr adnoddau sydd eu hangen arnynt i ddiwallu'r galw cynyddol gan gleifion. A wnewch chi rannu eich cynnydd wrth geisio newid y drefn ariannu honno i alluogi practisau meddygon teulu i wneud yr hyn rydym am iddynt ei wneud?</p>
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Mabon ap Gwynfor AS
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ap Gwynfor, Mabon
<p>Mae’r Aelod yn berffaith gywir i ddweud bod meddygon teulu wedi bod ac yn dal i fod o dan gryn bwysau. Mi ydym ni’n gwybod mai yn y feddygfa deuluol y mae’r rhan fwyaf o gysylltiadau yn cael eu gwneud mewn person pan fydd hi’n dod i gleifion angen diagnosis neu angen cymorth, ac mae’r Llywodraeth yma yn gwerthfawrogi’r holl waith sydd yn cael ei wneud gan feddygon teulu Cymru yn edrych ar ôl pobl Cymru.</p>
<p>Mi roeddwn i, fel yr Aelod, yn rhan o lunio’r adroddiad gan y pwyllgor iechyd blaenorol, a oedd yn dangos y gwendidau yna, a’r angen i sifftio adnoddau, nid yn unig sifftio adnoddau i feddygon teulu, ond, yn llawnach na hynny, sifftio adnoddau i’r gymuned. A dyna pam yr ydym ni, fel rhan o’r cynllun 100 diwrnod cychwynnol yna mewn Llywodraeth, wedi gofyn i fyrddau iechyd ddarparu cynlluniau ar sifftio 0.5 y cant o’u hadnoddau hariannol nhw i’r gymuned.</p>
<p>Mi ydw i bellach wedi derbyn yr adroddiadau yna yn ôl—yr argymhellion, mae’n flin gen i—gan y byrddau iechyd, ac mi ydw i’n mynd drwy’r broses rŵan o astudio eu hargymhellion nhw, gweld beth maen nhw’n mynd i wneud er mwyn sifftio’r adnoddau yna cyn cymeradwyo neu ofyn iddyn nhw eu mireinio nhw ymhellach. Felly, mi ydyn ni wedi cychwyn ar y broses yna o gael y byrddau iechyd i symud adnoddau yn agosach at adref, ac i’r gymuned.</p>
<p>The Member is entirely right to say that GPs have been, and are, under quite some pressure. We know that most first contacts are made in GP surgeries when it comes to patients requiring diagnosis or support, and this Government does appreciate all of the work done by GPs in Wales in looking after the people of Wales. </p>
<p>I, like the Member, was involved in drawing up the previous health committee report, which demonstrated those weaknesses and the need to shift resources, not only to shift resources to GPs, but also, to shift resources to the community. And that's why we, as part of our initial 100-day plan in Government, had asked health boards to provide plans on shifting 0.5 per cent of their financial resources into the community.</p>
<p>I have now received those reports back—or the recommendations—from the health boards, and I am now going through the process of studying their findings and recommendations to see what they have done to shift those resources before approving or asking them to refine them further. So, we have started that process of getting the health boards to shift resources closer to home and closer to our communities.</p>
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<p>Thank you for that response, Cabinet Minister. I know you will agree with me, and I'm sure you will be working towards encouraging health boards to give a greater percentage than that, because we know that that won't cut it from a GP practice perspective. </p>
<p>Moving on, the Save our Surgeries campaign by the British Medical Association has called for long-term investment in recruiting, retaining and training more GPs. I know you brought a statement last week on the general workforce plan, but we can focus on a workforce plan around general practice, after hearing evidence of workforce shortages, growing pressures on GP services, and the concerning situation whereby newly qualified GPs were struggling to find work while practices reported they could not afford to recruit them. Again, given that you and I were on the committee that made recommendations, what progress has the Welsh Government made towards increasing GP numbers, improving retention and delivering the workforce plan that you were a key part in calling for?</p>
<p>Diolch am eich ymateb, Weinidog Cabinet. Gwn y byddwch yn cytuno â mi, ac rwy'n siŵr y byddwch yn gweithio tuag at annog byrddau iechyd i roi canran fwy na hynny, gan y gwyddom na fydd hynny'n ddigon o safbwynt practisau meddygon teulu.</p>
<p>Gan symud ymlaen, mae ymgyrch Achubwch ein Meddygfeydd Cymdeithas Feddygol Prydain wedi galw am fuddsoddiad hirdymor mewn recriwtio, cadw a hyfforddi mwy o feddygon teulu. Gwn ichi wneud datganiad yr wythnos diwethaf ar y cynllun cyffredinol ar gyfer y gweithlu, ond gallwn ganolbwyntio ar gynllun gweithlu ar gyfer ymarfer cyffredinol, ar ôl clywed tystiolaeth o brinder yn y gweithlu, pwysau cynyddol ar wasanaethau meddygon teulu, a'r sefyllfa druenus lle roedd meddygon teulu newydd gymhwyso yn ei chael hi'n anodd dod o hyd i waith tra bo meddygfeydd yn dweud na allent fforddio eu recriwtio. Unwaith eto, o ystyried eich bod chi a minnau ar y pwyllgor a wnaeth yr argymhellion, pa gynnydd y mae Llywodraeth Cymru wedi'i wneud tuag at gynyddu niferoedd meddygon teulu, gwella lefelau cadw staff a chyflawni'r cynllun ar gyfer y gweithlu y buoch yn rhan allweddol o alw amdano?</p>
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<p>Unwaith eto, mae hwnna'n gwestiwn pwysig iawn, oherwydd mae’n nodi rhai o’r camau, neu’n awgrymu rhai o’r camau, o leiaf, sydd angen eu cymryd er mwyn gwneud yn siŵr bod gyda ni wasanaeth feddygfa deuluol cynaliadwy yn ein cymunedau ni. Mae rhai ardaloedd, yn enwedig ardaloedd gwledig, yn ei chael hi’n anodd iawn ar hyn o bryd i gadw meddygon teulu. Mi ydyn ni'n cydnabod ac yn deall hynny. Dyna pam yr ydym ni wedi ymrwymo i recriwtio hyd at 100 o feddygon teulu cyn diwedd tymor y Senedd yma, a bydd y 100 yna yn cael eu neilltuo ar gyfer yr ardaloedd hynny lle mae’r galw mwyaf arnyn nhw.</p>
<p>Mi ydyn ni hefyd yn edrych rŵan ar ddechrau peilota gwasanaeth neu system o ffedereiddio meddygon teulu er mwyn cael meddygfeydd teulu i gydweithio’n agosach, ond hefyd i dynnu i ffwrdd rai o’r costau swyddfa gefn yna sydd ganddyn nhw, er mwyn rhyddhau ychydig o’r arian yna a’i gwneud hi’n haws iddyn nhw weithredu, a hefyd er mwyn trio adeiladu ar y gwasanaeth timoedd amlddisgyblaethol sydd gennym ni, oherwydd mae'r hyn y mae meddygfa teulu yn ei ddarparu yn fwy na'r meddyg yn unig. Mae angen i ni weld mwy o nyrsys cymunedol, mae angen i ni weld mwy o ffisiotherapyddion yn gweithio o feddygfeydd er mwyn rhoi gofal mwy holistaidd a llawn i gleifion, lle mae nifer o'r arbenigwyr yna'n gallu tynnu pwysau i ffwrdd o'r meddyg a rhyddhau amser y meddyg i ganolbwyntio ar y pethau mwyaf brys.</p>
<p>Once again, that's a very important question, because it sets out, or suggests at least, some of the steps that need to be taken in order to ensure that we have a sustainable GP service in our communities. And some areas, particularly rural areas, find it very difficult at the moment to retain GPs. We acknowledge and recognise that. That's why we have committed to recruiting up to 100 GPs by the end of this Senedd term, and those 100 GPs will be allocated to those areas where the demand is greatest.</p>
<p>We are also now looking to start to pilot a service or a system of GP federation, so that GPs can work closer together while also removing some of those back-office costs that they have, in order to release some of that funding and to make it easier for them to operate, and also in terms of trying to build on the multidisciplinary teams that we have, because what GPs provide is more than just the doctor him or herself. We need to see more community nurses and we need to see more physiotherapists working from GP surgeries in order to provide broader and more holistic care services to patients, where many of those specialists can take the pressure off the GP and release the GP's time to focus on the most urgent issues.</p>
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<p>Cwestiwn 3, John Clark—ddim yn bresennol.</p>
<p>Question 3, John Clark—not present.</p>
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<p>Not present.</p>
<p>Nid yw'n bresennol.</p>
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<p>Question 3 [OQ64869] not asked.</p>
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<p>Cwestiwn 4, Sara Crowley.</p>
<p>Question 4, Sara Crowley.</p>
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Strategaeth Canser Genedlaethol
National Cancer Strategy
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<p>4. Sut bydd y strategaeth canser genedlaethol newydd yn cefnogi plant sy'n cael diagnosis o ganser? OQ64904</p>
<p>4. How will the new national cancer strategy support children diagnosed with cancer? OQ64904</p>
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<p>Diolch i'r Aelod am y cwestiwn. Nod ein strategaeth canser genedlaethol ar gyfer Cymru, sy’n strategaeth 10 mlynedd, ydy trawsnewid y ffordd y mae’r gwasanaeth iechyd yn atal, yn rhoi diagnosis ac yn trin canser. Mae wedi cael ei chynllunio gan ystyried pob oedran a math o ganser, gan gynnwys canser yn ystod plentyndod. Y nod ydy gwneud hyn gan sicrhau hefyd fod unigolion yn cael y gofal a’r cymorth cywir, a chan roi’r eglurder angenrheidiol i’r gwasanaeth iechyd ar gyfer darparu gwasanaethau a chyflawni canlyniadau gwell.</p>
<p>Thank you to the Member for the question. Our 10-year national cancer strategy for Wales aims to transform how the health service prevents, diagnoses and treats cancer. It has been designed with consideration given to all ages and cancer types, including childhood cancers. The aim is to do this while ensuring that people receive appropriate care and support, and giving the NHS the clarity needed to deliver better services and outcomes.</p>
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<p>Diolch, Weinidog. In September, I had the privilege of sponsoring the Kids Get Cancer Too event here in the Senedd. It was a deeply moving evening. We heard heartbreaking testimony from families whose lives had been turned upside down by childhood cancer diagnoses. But we also heard from the remarkable young people, like Kathryn and Mia, who spoke with extraordinary courage about their experiences. Honestly, they could do well in this place. One message came through loud and clear: children and young people cannot simply be treated as a smaller part of the adult cancer system, nor separately. Their cancers are different, they materialise differently, their treatment pathways are different, and their long-term physical, emotional and social support needs are very different too. What consideration is the Welsh Government giving with the strategy to childhood, teenage and young adult cancers, such as improved specialised care, mental health support and transition pathways from paediatric to young adult services? Diolch.</p>
<p>Diolch, Weinidog. Ym mis Medi, cefais y fraint o noddi digwyddiad Kids Get Cancer Too yma yn y Senedd. Roedd yn noson emosiynol iawn. Clywsom dystiolaeth dorcalonnus gan deuluoedd y cafodd eu bywydau eu troi wyneb i waered gan ddiagnosis canser eu plant. Ond clywsom hefyd gan y bobl ifanc ryfeddol, fel Kathryn a Mia, a siaradodd gyda dewrder rhyfeddol am eu profiadau. A dweud y gwir, gallent wneud yn dda yn y lle hwn. Cafodd un neges ei chyfleu'n glir: ni ellir trin plant a phobl ifanc fel rhan lai o'r system ganser oedolion, nac ar wahân. Mae eu canserau'n wahanol, maent yn dod i'r amlwg yn wahanol, mae eu llwybrau triniaeth yn wahanol, ac mae eu hanghenion cymorth corfforol, emosiynol a chymdeithasol hirdymor yn wahanol iawn hefyd. Pa ystyriaeth mae Llywodraeth Cymru yn ei rhoi gyda'r strategaeth i ganserau plentyndod, pobl ifanc ac oedolion ifanc, megis gwell gofal arbenigol, cymorth iechyd meddwl a llwybrau pontio o wasanaethau pediatrig i wasanaethau oedolion ifanc? Diolch.</p>
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<p>I'd like to thank the Member for that question. The Member is absolutely right that cancers in children and young people are completely different from cancers elsewhere and in other members of our society, because, to begin with, children are completely not in control of those cancers. Those cancers appear through no fault of their own in any way at all. So, we need to look at how we develop a cancer strategy for children slightly differently. That's why the strategy that we will be publishing in February, all being well, is a strategy that will include a specific focus on children and young people diagnosed with cancer, through a dedicated section in each chapter. But the approach to that will remain under review. The strategy aims to improve the experience and outcomes of children and young people, address inequity in access, and recognise the holistic needs of children and young people and their families. Finally, the strategy aims to ensure that children and young people can access appropriate specialist pathways, treatment, care and support when needed on their journey.</p>
<p>Hoffwn ddiolch i'r Aelod am ei chwestiwn. Mae'r Aelod yn llygad ei lle fod canserau mewn plant a phobl ifanc yn gwbl wahanol i ganserau mewn mannau eraill ac mewn aelodau eraill o'n cymdeithas, oherwydd i ddechrau, nid oes rheolaeth gan blant o gwbl dros y canserau hynny. Mae'r canserau hynny'n datblygu heb unrhyw fai arnynt eu hunain mewn unrhyw ffordd o gwbl. Felly, mae angen inni edrych ychydig yn wahanol ar sut rydym yn datblygu strategaeth ganser ar gyfer plant. Dyna pam y bydd y strategaeth y byddwn yn ei chyhoeddi ym mis Chwefror, os aiff popeth yn iawn, yn strategaeth a fydd yn cynnwys ffocws penodol ar blant a phobl ifanc sydd wedi cael diagnosis o ganser, drwy adran bwrpasol ym mhob pennod. Ond bydd y dull o wneud hynny'n parhau i gael ei adolygu. Nod y strategaeth yw gwella profiad a chanlyniadau plant a phobl ifanc, mynd i'r afael ag anghydraddoldeb o ran mynediad, a chydnabod anghenion holistaidd plant a phobl ifanc a'u teuluoedd. Yn olaf, nod y strategaeth yw sicrhau y gall plant a phobl ifanc gael mynediad at lwybrau arbenigol priodol, triniaeth, gofal a chymorth pan fo angen ar eu taith.</p>
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<p>My constituent Molly Fenton has been a powerful advocate for young people living with serious and life-limiting illnesses. Around 180 children and young people are diagnosed with cancer in Wales every year, and, for some, that reality of living with incurable or terminal cancer rather than being cured. Minister, you've just mentioned that there will be a cancer plan that will be specifically focusing on young people and children. I guess, in England, one of the things that they're doing a little bit differently is that it's being supported by a dedicated taskforce. So, I was wondering what is it that the Welsh Government will be doing to ensure that young people living with terminal cancer receive most definitely the psychological but also the educational and practical support that they need, not only to survive but to live well and to pursue their ambitions and their pursuit of the next big thing. There are so many people who want to work, for example, whose everyday experience of being in work—. Reasonable adjustments, I accept, can be a bit more difficult for employers, but, nonetheless, it is about making sure that we support them to be able to live their lives fully, for the time that is available to them.</p>
<p>Mae fy etholwr Molly Fenton wedi bod yn eiriolwr pwerus dros bobl ifanc sy'n byw gyda salwch difrifol a salwch sy'n cyfyngu ar eu bywydau. Mae oddeutu 180 o blant a phobl ifanc yn cael diagnosis o ganser yng Nghymru bob blwyddyn, ac i rai, y realiti hwnnw o fyw gyda chanser anwelladwy neu derfynol yn hytrach na gwella. Weinidog, rydych chi newydd sôn y bydd yna gynllun canser a fydd yn canolbwyntio'n benodol ar bobl ifanc a phlant. Yn Lloegr, mae'n debyg mai un o'r pethau y maent yn eu gwneud ychydig yn wahanol yw ei fod yn cael ei gefnogi gan dasglu pwrpasol. Felly, tybed beth y bydd Llywodraeth Cymru yn ei wneud i sicrhau bod pobl ifanc sy'n byw gyda chanser terfynol yn derbyn y cymorth seicolegol yn sicr ond hefyd y cymorth addysgol ac ymarferol sydd ei angen arnynt, nid yn unig i oroesi ond i fyw'n dda ac i fynd ar drywydd eu huchelgeisiau a'u breuddwydion am y peth mawr nesaf. Mae cymaint o bobl sydd eisiau gweithio, er enghraifft, y mae eu profiad bob dydd o fod mewn gwaith—. Rwy'n derbyn y gall addasiadau rhesymol fod ychydig yn anos i gyflogwyr, ond serch hynny, mae a wnelo hyn â sicrhau ein bod yn eu cefnogi i allu byw eu bywydau'n llawn, am yr amser sydd ar gael iddynt.</p>
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<p>Thank you to the Member for those comments. She started by mentioning a fantastic and inspiring young individual, Molly Fenton. I've had the pleasure of meeting Molly several times. She genuinely is inspiring and I'd like to put on record my thanks to Molly for her work and her assistance over the years in developing cancer policy.</p>
<p>We had a public call for evidence, and that call for evidence gathered insights across the third sector, across families and others, specialists in the field, which closed at the end of last month. We received hundreds of pieces of evidence, and many of those will have referenced exactly what the Member spoke about there, about the need to ensure that there is support for children and young people during their education journeys as well, ensuring that they don't lose out, and that will be a part of the consideration as we formulate the cancer strategy and then publish it in the new year.</p>
<p>Diolch i'r Aelod am ei sylwadau. Dechreuodd drwy sôn am unigolyn ifanc gwych a llawn ysbrydoliaeth, Molly Fenton. Rwyf wedi cael y pleser o gyfarfod â Molly sawl gwaith. Mae hi'n wir yn un sy'n ysbrydoli a hoffwn gofnodi fy niolch i Molly am ei gwaith a'i chymorth dros y blynyddoedd wrth ddatblygu polisi canser.</p>
<p>Cawsom alwad gyhoeddus am dystiolaeth a gasglodd fewnwelediadau ar draws y trydydd sector, ar draws teuluoedd ac eraill, arbenigwyr yn y maes, a daeth i ben ddiwedd y mis diwethaf. Cawsom gannoedd o ddarnau o dystiolaeth, a bydd llawer o'r rheini wedi cyfeirio at yr union beth y soniodd yr Aelod amdano, sef yr angen i sicrhau bod cymorth ar gael i blant a phobl ifanc yn ystod eu teithiau addysg hefyd, gan sicrhau nad ydynt ar eu colled, a bydd hynny'n rhan o'r ystyriaeth wrth inni lunio'r strategaeth ganser ac yna ei chyhoeddi yn y flwyddyn newydd.</p>
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Irranca-Davies, Huw
<p>Cwestiwn 5, i'w ateb gan y Dirprwy Weinidog dros Ofal Cymdeithasol, Iechyd Meddwl ac Iechyd Menywod. Cwestiwn 5—Elfed Williams.</p>
<p>Question 5, to be answered by the Deputy Minister for Social Care, Mental Health and Women's Health. Question 5—Elfed Williams.</p>
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<p>5. Sut fydd Llywodraeth Cymru yn cryfhau gofal cymdeithasol yn ystod y Senedd hon? OQ64892</p>
<p>5. How will the Welsh Government strengthen social care during this Senedd? OQ64892</p>
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Jewell, Delyth
<p>Rydym ni wedi cyhoeddi rhaglen y gwasanaeth gofal cenedlaethol, sy’n nodi camau ymarferol ar gyfer y Senedd hon. Dŷn ni wrthi’n datblygu academi gofal cymdeithasol, yn symud yr agenda cyflog teg yn ei flaen, yn cryfhau trefniadau comisiynu a diogelu, yn cefnogi gofalwyr di-dâl, ac yn cydgysylltu gwasanaethau ar sail anghenion pobl. Ein nod yw sicrhau bod gan unigolion fwy o lais a mynediad at y cymorth cywir.</p>
<p>We have published our national care service programme, setting out practical action for this Senedd. We are developing a social care academy, progressing the fair pay agenda, strengthening commissioning and safeguarding arrangements, supporting unpaid carers, and joining up services around people’s needs. Our aim is to ensure that individuals have a greater voice and greater access to the right support.</p>
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<p>Diolch. Roeddwn i'n falch o gadeirio fy nghyfarfod cyntaf o'r grŵp trawsbleidiol ar waith cymdeithasol, gofal cymdeithasol ac eiriolaeth ddoe. Buom yn trafod nifer o faterion, gan gynnwys eiriolaeth, sector sy'n bwysig iawn i mi. Efo wythnos eiriolaeth yng nghanol Tachwedd, dwi'n poeni bod diffyg ymwybyddiaeth o waith eiriolwyr a hawliau cleifion yn creu heriau sylweddol. Hefyd, yn ôl adroddiad diweddar Age Cymru, 'Advocacy Counts', cefnogwyd dros 18,000 o bobl y llynedd, cynnydd o 50 y cant, gan 347 o eiriolwyr, gostyngiad o 8 y cant.</p>
<p>Dwi'n eiddgar i weithio gyda'r Llywodraeth dros y tymor seneddol ac i gyfarfod â'r Dirprwy Weinidog yn fuan i drafod penderfyniadau yn y sector gofal cymdeithasol, gan gynnwys eiriolaeth. Ydy'r Dirprwy Weinidog yn cytuno bod angen gwneud mwy i hyrwyddo rôl eiriolwyr os ydym am fynd i'r afael â'r heriau sy'n wynebu'r sector gofal a sicrhau bod cleifion a theuluoedd yn cael y gefnogaeth sydd ei hangen arnynt?</p>
<p>Thank you. I was pleased to chair my first meeting of the cross-party group on social work, social care and advocacy yesterday. We discussed a number of issues, including advocacy, a sector that is very important to me. With advocacy week in mid November, I'm concerned that a lack of awareness about the work of advocates and patients' rights is creating big challenges. Also, according to the recent Age Cymru report, 'Advocacy Counts', over 18,000 people were supported last year, an increase of 50 per cent, by 347 advocates, a decrease of 8 per cent.</p>
<p>I am eager to work with the Government over the parliamentary term, and to meet with the Deputy Minister soon to discuss decisions in the social care sector, including advocacy. Does the Deputy Minister agree that more needs to be done to promote the role of advocates if we want to tackle the challenges facing the care sector and ensure that patients and families get the support they need?</p>
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Jewell, Delyth
<p>Diolch yn fawr iawn i chi am y cwestiwn, ac am eich gwaith yn y maes hwn. Ydw, rwy'n cytuno gyda chi. Gall eiriolaeth wneud gwahaniaeth enfawr, fel rydych chi wedi dweud, i fywydau pobl drwy sicrhau bod pobl yn deall eu hawliau, yn cael llais, yn gallu cymryd rhan ystyrlon mewn penderfyniadau am eu gofal. Dyna pam rydyn ni wedi sefydlu pencampwyr gofal cymdeithasol o fewn Llais, i sicrhau bod llais cryfach a chliriach ar gael ar gyfer y bobl sydd yn defnyddio gwasanaethau gofal.</p>
<p>Dŷn ni hefyd yn cydnabod pwysigrwydd ehangach eiriolaeth i blant a theuluoedd. Yng Nghymru, mae cynnig rhagweithiol o eiriolaeth broffesiynol annibynnol ar gael i blant sydd â'r hawl i'r cymorth hwnnw, er mwyn sicrhau, Lywydd, y gellir clywed eu lleisiau mewn penderfyniadau sy'n effeithio ar eu bywydau. Dŷn ni hefyd yn cydnabod cyfraniad pwysig eiriolaeth i rieni, i'w helpu nhw i ddeall y penderfyniadau sy'n effeithio ar eu teuluoedd.</p>
<p>Felly, fel mae'r Aelod wedi sôn, nid darparu gwasanaethau eiriolaeth yn unig ydy'r her fan hyn; y gwir her yw sicrhau bod pobl yn deall eu hawliau, yn gwybod bod y cymorth yma ar gael, ac yn gwybod sut i gael gafael ar y cymorth hwnnw. Drwy ein rhaglen gwasanaeth gofal cymdeithasol, dŷn ni'n gweithio i greu system gofal cymdeithasol gryfach, fwy cynaliadwy, gyda llais, hawliau a phrofiadau pobl wrth galon y cyfan. Rwyf i'n hapus iawn i gwrdd â'r Aelod, oherwydd mae ganddo fe lais pwysig yn y drafodaeth hon.</p>
<p>Thank you very much for that question, and for your work in this area. Yes, I do agree with you. Advocacy can make a huge difference, as you've said, to the lives of people by ensuring that people understand their rights, do have a voice, and can take a meaningful part in decisions made about their care. That's why we have established social care champions within Llais, in order to ensure that there is a stronger and clearer voice for the people who access care services.</p>
<p>We also recognise the broader importance of advocacy for children and families. In Wales, a proactive offer of independent professional advocacy is available for children who are entitled to that support, in order to ensure, Llywydd, that their voices can be heard in the decisions taken relating to their lives. We also recognise the important contribution advocacy makes for parents, helping them to understand the decisions affecting their families.</p>
<p>So, as the Member has mentioned, it's not just providing the advocacy services themselves that's a challenge here; the real challenge is to ensure that people understand their rights, know that this support is available, and know how to access that support. Through our national care service programme, we are working to create a stronger social care service that is more sustainable, with the voice, rights and experiences of people at the heart of all of that. I'd be more than happy to meet with the Member, because he does have an important voice in this discussion.</p>
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Cyllid Cyfalaf
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Davies, Andrew R.T.
<p>6. Pa gyllid cyfalaf gan Lywodraeth Cymru sydd ar gael i fyrddau iechyd? OQ64899</p>
<p>6. What Welsh Government capital funding is available to health boards? OQ64899</p>
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<p>Thank you for the question. The overall health, care and prevention capital budget for 2026-27 is £626 million. More than £112 million of this has been provided directly to NHS Wales organisations as discretionary capital. The remaining funding supports ministerially approved capital schemes, with significant investment directed towards supporting health board priorities.</p>
<p>Diolch am eich cwestiwn. Mae cyllideb cyfalaf gyffredinol iechyd, gofal ac atal ar gyfer 2026-27 yn £626 miliwn. Mae mwy na £112 miliwn ohono wedi'i ddarparu'n uniongyrchol i sefydliadau GIG Cymru fel cyfalaf yn ôl disgresiwn. Mae'r cyllid sy'n weddill yn cefnogi cynlluniau cyfalaf a gymeradwywyd gan Weinidogion, gyda buddsoddiad sylweddol wedi'i gyfeirio at gefnogi blaenoriaethau'r byrddau iechyd.</p>
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Davies, Andrew R.T.
<p>Thank you, Minister, for that answer. You'll be aware that the proposals around the university hospital in Cardiff are for a total new rebuild. That will come with a hefty price tag, I would suggest to you, Minister, and the numbers you just talked of most probably wouldn't come close to covering the capital costs of such a rebuild. So, how is the Government engaging with the local health board to make the rebuild happen? Because anyone visiting the site can appreciate the difficulty that site faces in being able to accommodate patients in a safe environment and to allow clinicians to do the job that they're trained to do in a safe environment.</p>
<p>Diolch am eich ateb, Weinidog. Fe fyddwch yn gwybod bod y cynigion ynghylch yr ysbyty athrofaol yng Nghaerdydd yn ymwneud ag ailadeiladu o'r newydd. Carwn awgrymu i chi, Weinidog, y bydd hynny'n costio'n ddrud iawn, ac mae'n debyg na fyddai'r ffigurau a grybwyllwyd gennych yn dod yn agos at fod yn ddigon i dalu costau cyfalaf ailadeiladu o'r fath. Felly, sut y mae'r Llywodraeth yn ymgysylltu â'r bwrdd iechyd lleol i sicrhau bod yr ysbyty'n cael ei ailadeiladu? Oherwydd gall unrhyw un sy'n ymweld â'r safle ddeall yr anhawster y mae'r safle hwnnw'n ei wynebu o ran gallu darparu ar gyfer cleifion mewn amgylchedd diogel a chaniatáu i glinigwyr wneud y gwaith y maent wedi eu hyfforddi i'w wneud mewn amgylchedd diogel.</p>
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<p>Thank you for the question, and you make a very good point about the difficult environment in parts of University Hospital of Wales Cardiff. I visited myself a couple of weeks ago and saw the estate and how parts of it weren't where they should be. But I also appreciate the work done by the clinicians and all the members of staff at University Hospital of Wales in Cardiff. So, the health board did put a bid forward during the last term for improvements, or for a new build, but the previous Government rejected that bid and didn't support it. We are still awaiting something from Cardiff and Vale University Health Board regarding the redevelopment of University Hospital of Wales. As and when that comes to my desk, then I will have to judge and decide the best way forward, based on the application that they put forward.</p>
<p>Diolch am eich cwestiwn, ac rydych chi'n gwneud pwynt da iawn ynglŷn â'r amgylchedd anodd mewn rhannau o Ysbyty Athrofaol Cymru Caerdydd. Ymwelais fy hun ychydig wythnosau yn ôl a gweld yr ystad a sut nad oedd rhannau ohoni cystal ag y dylent fod. Ond rwyf innau hefyd yn gwerthfawrogi'r gwaith a wneir gan y clinigwyr a holl aelodau staff Ysbyty Athrofaol Cymru yng Nghaerdydd. Felly, gwnaeth y bwrdd iechyd gynnig yn nhymor y Senedd ddiwethaf ar gyfer gwelliannau, neu ar gyfer adeilad newydd, ond gwrthododd y Llywodraeth flaenorol y cynnig hwnnw ac ni wnaeth ei gefnogi. Rydym yn dal i aros am rywbeth gan Fwrdd Iechyd Prifysgol Caerdydd a'r Fro ynghylch ailddatblygu Ysbyty Athrofaol Cymru. Pan ddaw ar fy nesg, bydd yn rhaid imi farnu a phenderfynu ar y ffordd orau ymlaen, yn seiliedig ar y cais a gyflwynir ganddynt.</p>
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Irranca-Davies, Huw
<p>Cwestiwn 7—Jane Dodds, i'w ateb gan y Dirprwy Weinidog.</p>
<p>Question 7 from Jane Dodds, and to be answered by the Deputy Minister.</p>
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Gwasanaethau Iechyd Meddwl
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Dodds, Jane
<p>7. Beth mae Llywodraeth Cymru yn ei wneud i sicrhau bod gwasanaethau iechyd meddwl yn cael eu darparu mor agos â phosibl at gartrefi pobl? OQ64887</p>
<p>7. What is the Welsh Government doing to ensure mental health services are being provided as close to people’s homes as possible? OQ64887</p>
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Jewell, Delyth
<p>Diolch, Jane. We want to ensure that, wherever people live in Wales, they have access to the mental health services that they need. The mental health quality statement sets out our expectation for services to ensure consistent, equitable, person-centred support across Wales. Our aim is to strengthen community mental health support through the transformation to same-day, open access mental health services, and this work is already under way.</p>
<p>Diolch, Jane. Ble bynnag y mae pobl yn byw yng Nghymru, rydym am sicrhau bod ganddynt fynediad at y gwasanaethau iechyd meddwl sydd eu hangen arnynt. Mae'r datganiad ansawdd iechyd meddwl yn nodi ein disgwyliad fod gwasanaethau yn sicrhau cymorth cyson, teg, sy'n canolbwyntio ar yr unigolyn ledled Cymru. Ein nod yw cryfhau cymorth iechyd meddwl cymunedol drwy'r trawsnewidiad i wasanaethau iechyd meddwl mynediad agored ar yr un diwrnod, ac mae'r gwaith hwn eisoes ar y gweill.</p>
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Dodds, Jane
<p>Diolch yn fawr iawn, Ddirprwy Weinidog. I'm keen to hear your views of mental health services being close to home and in the community. We hear so often from people how important it is that it's local to them, that they know it because it's in their community and therefore they are able to really connect with it. There is a real challenge for us in Powys—just to bring up once again the Powys Teaching Health Board proposals, they actually take away mental health services from the communities across Powys and actually centralise them in one place, which is in Bronllys.</p>
<p>Now, for me, actually, this smacks of us going back 30 or 40 years, when people with mental health difficulties were placed away in a rural area, in one institution, because that's what it's going to represent. So, I just wonder—. I think I can anticipate your answer, but I just really want to make you aware that this is a really worrying proposal on two levels: removing the mental health services from the communities, but also, fundamentally, ghettoising people with mental health problems in one place away—miles away—from their homes. Diolch yn fawr iawn, Lywydd.</p>
<p>Diolch yn fawr iawn, Ddirprwy Weinidog. Rwy'n awyddus i glywed eich barn am wasanaethau iechyd meddwl yn agos at y cartref ac yn y gymuned. Rydym yn clywed mor aml gan bobl pa mor bwysig yw eu bod yn lleol iddynt, eu bod yn gyfarwydd â nhw am eu bod yn eu cymuned, ac felly eu bod yn gallu cysylltu'n iawn â nhw. Mae her wirioneddol i ni ym Mhowys—os caf sôn unwaith eto am gynigion Bwrdd Iechyd Addysgu Powys, gan eu bod mewn gwirionedd yn symud gwasanaethau iechyd meddwl o'r cymunedau ledled Powys ac yn eu canoli mewn un lle, sef ym Mronllys.</p>
<p>Nawr, i mi, mae hyn yn teimlo fel pe baem yn mynd yn ôl 30 neu 40 mlynedd, pan oedd pobl ag anawsterau iechyd meddwl yn cael eu gosod ymaith mewn ardal wledig, mewn un sefydliad, gan mai dyna y bydd yn ei gynrychioli. Felly, tybed—. Rwy'n credu y gallaf ragweld eich ateb, ond rwyf eisiau eich gwneud yn ymwybodol fod hwn yn gynnig sy'n peri cryn bryder ar ddwy lefel: symud y gwasanaethau iechyd meddwl o'r cymunedau, ond hefyd, yn sylfaenol, gosod pobl â phroblemau iechyd meddwl mewn geto, ymhell i ffwrdd—filltiroedd i ffwrdd—o'u cartrefi. Diolch yn fawr iawn, Lywydd.</p>
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<p>Diolch, Jane. Look, I appreciate why you're asking the question. I know how passionate an advocate you are, and continue to be, for local health services, and, truly, that is commendable. I agree with you in terms of what you've said, that, mental health, it is so important that these services work around the reality of people's lives, and that people can get the support they need when they need it, and that is crucially important.</p>
<p>Again, with what is happening—. I mean, the Member, obviously, Jane, is going to be aware, and Members more broadly are going to be aware, that Powys Teaching Health Board is currently consulting on proposals as part of its clinical services plan. My understanding is that what is being proposed would certainly not be aimed at overly centralising services, because I understand the health board has certainly reduced the number of out-of-area placements. I hope that, on that, we could both agree that that is a positive proposal. I think that all of the options within the consultation include significant investment in community mental health support, crisis response, open access models, '111 press 2', virtual services as well, alternatives to admission like sanctuary services. So, the proposals as a whole, not just in-patient services, I think, do need to be looked at here. But what is also really important is that what is happening in Powys at the moment is not closed off, that this is an ongoing dialogue. People living locally have an opportunity to ensure that their opinions can be heard, and I'm sure that the Member will be calling once again for that to happen, because it's so important that these services are designed with local people in mind. But, of course—and I know you'll appreciate this—because the consultation is under way, it wouldn't be appropriate for me to comment further, because I want it to be centred around what local people are calling for. But, in terms of the principle that you were talking about about mental health services—and this being true for people regardless of where in Wales they live—that they should be built around the reality of people's lives, that is exactly what our transformation is going to be building towards. But, diolch, Jane, for the question.</p>
<p>Diolch, Jane. Edrychwch, rwy'n deall pam eich bod yn gofyn y cwestiwn. Rwy'n gwybod pa mor angerddol rydych chi fel eiriolwr, ac yn parhau i fod, dros wasanaethau iechyd lleol, ac yn wir, mae hynny i'w ganmol. Rwy'n cytuno â chi ar yr hyn rydych chi wedi'i ddweud am iechyd meddwl, ei bod mor bwysig fod y gwasanaethau hyn yn gweithio o amgylch realiti bywydau pobl, a bod pobl yn gallu cael y cymorth sydd ei angen arnynt pan fydd ei angen arnynt, ac mae hynny'n hollbwysig.</p>
<p>Unwaith eto, gyda'r hyn sy'n digwydd—. Hynny yw, bydd yr Aelod, Jane, yn amlwg yn ymwybodol, a bydd yr Aelodau'n fwy cyffredinol yn ymwybodol, fod Bwrdd Iechyd Addysgu Powys yn ymgynghori ar hyn o bryd ar gynigion fel rhan o'i gynllun gwasanaethau clinigol. Fy nealltwriaeth i yw nad gor-ganoli gwasanaethau fyddai nod yr hyn sy'n cael ei gynnig, gan fy mod yn deall bod y bwrdd iechyd yn sicr wedi lleihau nifer y lleoliadau y tu allan i'r ardal. Ar hynny, rwy'n gobeithio y gall y ddau ohonom gytuno bod hwnnw'n gynnig cadarnhaol. Rwy'n credu bod yr holl opsiynau yn yr ymgynghoriad yn cynnwys buddsoddiad sylweddol mewn cymorth iechyd meddwl cymunedol, ymateb i argyfwng, modelau mynediad agored, '111 pwyso 2', gwasanaethau rhithwir hefyd, a dewisiadau amgen yn lle ysbyty, fel gwasanaethau noddfa. Felly, rwy'n credu bod angen edrych yma ar y cynigion yn eu cyfanrwydd yma, nid gwasanaethau cleifion mewnol yn unig. Ond yr hyn sydd hefyd yn wirioneddol bwysig yw nad yw'r hyn sy'n digwydd ym Mhowys ar hyn o bryd yn derfynol, fod hon yn ddeialog barhaus. Mae gan bobl sy'n byw'n lleol gyfle i sicrhau y gall eu safbwyntiau gael eu clywed, ac rwy'n siŵr y bydd yr Aelod yn galw unwaith eto am i hynny ddigwydd, gan ei bod mor bwysig fod y gwasanaethau hyn wedi'u cynllunio gyda phobl leol mewn golwg. Ond wrth gwrs—a gwn y byddwch yn deall hyn—am fod yr ymgynghoriad ar y gweill, ni fyddai'n briodol imi wneud sylwadau pellach, gan fy mod am iddo ganolbwyntio ar yr hyn y mae pobl leol yn galw amdano. Ond o ran yr egwyddor roeddech chi'n sôn amdani mewn perthynas â gwasanaethau iechyd meddwl—a bod hyn yn wir i bobl ble bynnag y maent yn byw yng Nghymru—y dylent gael eu hadeiladu o amgylch realiti bywydau pobl, dyna'n union fydd nod ein trawsnewidiad. Ond diolch am eich cwestiwn, Jane.</p>
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<p>Cwestiwn 8—Lis McLean. </p>
<p>Question 8—Lis McLean. </p>
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<p>Diolch, Lywydd. Dŷn ni i gyd yn gwybod, pob un ohonom ni sy'n eistedd fan hyn heddiw, hyd yn oed y rhai sydd heb droi lan, beth mae ymweliad i A&E fel y dyddiau yma. [<em>Torri ar draws</em>.] O, sori, roeddwn i'n meddwl dy fod ti'n dweud rhywbeth. So, mae adran damweiniau ac achosion brys ym Mwrdd Iechyd Prifysgol Cwm Taf Morgannwg, ac mae'n amlwg nad yw'r amodau cystal ag y dylent fod, oherwydd—[<em>Torri ar draws</em>.] </p>
<p>Thank you, Lywydd. We all know, each one of us who's sitting here today, even those who haven't turned up, what visits to A&E are like these days. [<em>Interruption</em>.] Sorry, I thought you were saying something. So, there is an accident and emergency services department in Cwm Taf Morgannwg University Health Board, and it's clear that conditions aren't as they should be—[<em>Interruption</em>.]</p>
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<p>Oh, I'm sorry.</p>
<p>O, mae’n ddrwg gennyf.</p>
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<p>Dwi'n deall. Dwi mor sori. </p>
<p>I understand. I'm so sorry. </p>
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<p>Mae'n iawn. </p>
<p>It's okay. </p>
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<p>Oh, my gosh. Right, okay. </p>
<p>O, mawredd. O'r gorau, iawn.</p>
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<p>Sorry, if you could ask the tabled question first. </p>
<p>Mae’n ddrwg gennyf, os gallech ofyn y cwestiwn a gyflwynwyd yn gyntaf.</p>
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<p>Yes. </p>
<p>Iawn.</p>
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<p>Thank you. </p>
<p>Diolch.</p>
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<p>Second take. [<em>Laughter</em>.]</p>
<p>Ail gynnig. [<em>Chwerthin</em>.]</p>
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Accident and Emergency Services
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<p>8. Pa gamau mae Llywodraeth Cymru yn eu cymryd i wella gwasanaethau damweiniau ac achosion brys ym Mhontypridd Cynon Merthyr? OQ64897</p>
<p>8. What steps is the Welsh Government taking to improve accident and emergency services in Pontypridd Cynon Merthyr? OQ64897</p>
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<p>Diolch am y cwestiwn. Mae yna lawer gormod o bobl yn aros yn llawer rhy hir yn ein hadrannau brys ni. Mi ydyn ni’n cefnogi'r bwrdd iechyd er mwyn eu dal nhw i gyfrif am welliannau yn ysbytai Prince Charles a Royal Glamorgan er mwyn eu cael nhw i wella ar y targedau yna a'u canlyniadau nhw. Mae'r bwrdd yn parhau yn lefel uwch 4 ar gyfer adrannau brys. </p>
<p>Thank you for the question. Far too many people are waiting for far too long at our A&E departments. We are supporting the health board and holding them to account for improvements at Prince Charles and Royal Glamorgan hospitals in order for them to improve on those targets and their outcomes. The board remains at escalation level 4 for urgent and emergency care.</p>
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<p>Dwi wedi derbyn nifer o achosion yn ymwneud â chyflwr yr adran damweiniau ac achosion brys ym Mwrdd Iechyd Prifysgol Cwm Taf Morgannwg, ac mae'n amlwg nad yw'r amodau cystal ag y dylent fod. Rwy'n sylweddoli bod Llywodraeth Cymru yn gweithio'n galed gyda phartneriaid i gyflawni'r gwelliannau a fydd yn lleddfu llawer o'r pwysau ar yr ysbytai presennol hynny. Ond mae angen gweithredu nawr. Byddai gwelliannau fel gwella mynediad at fwyd a diod, darparu seddi mwy cyfforddus, a hefyd cynnal a chadw toiledau yn fwy aml yn gwella profiad cleifion yn sylweddol, ac yn lleihau'r risg o achosi niwed pellach i bobl sy'n sâl. A all y Gweinidog amlinellu pa gynlluniau sydd ar waith i wella profiad yn yr adran damweiniau ac achosion brys i bobl yn ardal Cwm Taf Morgannwg ac, yn wir, ledled Cymru? </p>
<p>I have received a number of cases regarding the condition of the accident and emergency departments in Cwm Taf Morgannwg University Health Board, and it's clear that conditions aren't as good as they should be. I realise that Welsh Government is working hard with partners to deliver improvements that will take away a lot of pressure on current hospitals. However, there's a need to take action now. Improvements such as improving access to food and drink, providing more comfortable chairs, and also maintaining toilets more often would improve patients' experiences significantly, and decrease the risk of further harm to people who are ill. Can the Minister outline what plans are afoot to improve conditions in accident and emergency departments for people in the Cwm Taf Morgannwg area, and across Wales?</p>
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<p>Diolch am y cwestiwn dilynol yna. Fel mae'n digwydd, roeddwn i mewn cyfarfod efo grŵp ymgyrchu BEDS, Lywydd, cyn y cyfarfod yma. Mae grŵp ymgyrchu BEDS yn edrych yn bennaf ar yr hyn sydd yn digwydd yng ngogledd Cymru, ac mi oedden nhw'n dweud yr un peth. Dwi'n siŵr nid cyd-ddigwyddiad ydy o fod y bobl roeddwn ni'n siarad efo nhw rhyw awr ac ychydig yn ôl yn dweud bod yna broblemau, cyn belled ag y maen nhw yn y cwestiwn, yn ysbytai'r gogledd pan fo'n dod i bobl yn bod yn gyfforddus yn yr adrannau brys, glendid y toiledau, darpariaeth neu fynediad at fwyd a diod. Felly, mae'n ymddangos fan yma fod gennym ni broblem fwy strwythurol cenedlaethol sydd angen edrych arni.</p>
<p>Fy nisgwyliad i ydy bod byrddau iechyd sydd yn gyfrifol am y ddarpariaeth yma yn gwneud yn siŵr bod pobl, wrth eu bod nhw'n mynd i mewn i adrannau brys, yn cael y gofal teilwng sydd yn ddisgwyliedig ohonyn nhw, eu bod nhw'n cael rhywle sydd yn gyfforddus ar gyfer eu hanghenion nhw, fod yna fynediad at ddiod boeth a bwyd pan fo'r angen yn codi ac, fan leiaf, fod y toiledau yn lân. Dyna ydy'r disgwyliad, ac mi fyddwn ni'n gobeithio eu bod nhw yn byw i fyny i hynny, a dwi'n hapus felly i gysylltu efo'r byrddau iechyd i'w hatgoffa nhw o'r disgwyliadau hynny.</p>
<p>Ond, ar lefel ehangach, mi fyddwch chi'n falch o glywed fy mod i'n mynd i fod yn gwneud cyhoeddiad yn y Siambr yma wythnos nesaf ar sut rydyn ni'n disgwyl gweld llif cleifion yn gwella yn yr adrannau brys ar draws Cymru, ac mi fyddaf i'n gwneud y cyhoeddiad yna, fel dywedais i, yn y Siambr yma wythnos nesaf.</p>
<p>Thank you very much for that supplementary question. As it happens, I was in a meeting with the BEDS campaign group before this meeting. The group is looking mainly at what happens in north Wales, and they were saying exactly the same thing. I'm sure that it's no coincidence that the people I was speaking to around an hour ago were saying that there were problems, as far as they were concerned, in north Wales hospitals when it comes to people's comfort in A&E departments, the cleanliness of toilets, or access to food and drink, or the provision of food and drink. So, it appears here that we have a more structural national problem that needs to be looked at.</p>
<p>My expectation is that health boards who are responsible for this provision should ensure that people, as they go into A&E departments, do get the care that is expected from them, that they find somewhere that is comfortable for their needs, that they have access to hot drinks and food when required, and as a minimum that the toilets should be clean. That is the expectation, and I would hope that they would live up to that expectation, and I'm happy, therefore, to contact the health boards to remind them of those expectations.</p>
<p>But, at a broader level, you will be pleased to hear that I will be making an announcement in this Chamber next week on how we expect to see the patient flow improve in accident and emergency departments across Wales, and I will be making that announcement in this Chamber next week, as I said.</p>
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<p>Cwestiwn 9, Tom Montgomery—ddim yn bresennol. </p>
<p>Question 9, Tom Montgomery—not present. </p>
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<p>Nid yw'n bresennol.</p>
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<p>Cwestiwn 10, Art Wright—ddim yn bresennol.</p>
<p>Question 10, Art Wright—not present. </p>
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<p>Cwestiwn 11, Sam Rowlands.</p>
<p>Question 11, Sam Rowlands. </p>
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<p>11. Pa asesiad y mae'r Gweinidog Cabinet wedi'i wneud o berfformiad y gwasanaeth damweiniau ac achosion brys yn Ysbyty Maelor Wrecsam? OQ64901</p>
<p>11. What assessment has the Cabinet Minister made of the performance of the accident and emergency service at Wrexham Maelor Hospital? OQ64901</p>
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<p>Diolch yn fawr iawn i'r Aelod am y cwestiwn yna. </p>
<p>Thank you very much to the Member for that question.</p>
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<p>Performance at Wrexham Maelor’s emergency department isn't acceptable. Too many patients face prolonged waits. I expect the health board, supported by NHS Wales Performance and Improvement, to reduce long waits and ambulance handover delays, improve discharge, and demonstrate sustained improvements in safe, timely care. </p>
<p>Nid yw perfformiad yn adran argyfwng Ysbyty Maelor Wrecsam yn dderbyniol. Mae gormod o gleifion yn wynebu amseroedd aros hir. Rwy'n disgwyl i'r bwrdd iechyd, gyda chefnogaeth Perfformiad a Gwella GIG Cymru, leihau amseroedd aros hir ac oedi wrth drosglwyddo o ambiwlansys, gwella lefelau rhyddhau cleifion, a dangos gwelliannau parhaus mewn gofal diogel ac amserol.</p>
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<p>Thank you for your response, Cabinet Minister. Thank you for recognising the issues that my constituents in Fflint Wrecsam are experiencing at Wrexham Maelor Hospital far too often. I was able to visit the emergency department recently with my colleague Ken Skates, as Labour leader, to understand some of the issues that are being faced by the department. At the moment, two things struck me in particular. The first was the dedication and the honesty of the staff on the ground. There are doctors and nurses who are turning up shift in, shift out, to do the work that they're presented to do and support those patients in very, very difficult circumstances. And particular thanks to the matron, Claire, who took us around that department to show us the issues that they are facing.</p>
<p>But the second thing that struck me, Cabinet Minister, was the awful conditions those very same people are having to work in, day in and day out. And they showed us that it’s near impossible to do their job in the facilities that they are having to work in at the moment. So, Cabinet Minister, will you work with the health board to create a solution to improve our emergency department in Wrexham, so my constituents can access the care that they need in the timely fashion that they need it as well? </p>
<p>Diolch am eich ymateb, Weinidog Cabinet. Diolch am gydnabod y problemau y mae fy etholwyr yn Fflint Wrecsam yn eu profi yn Ysbyty Maelor Wrecsam yn llawer rhy aml. Cefais gyfle i ymweld â'r adran argyfwng yn ddiweddar gyda fy nghyd-Aelod, Ken Skates, fel arweinydd Llafur, er mwyn deall rhai o'r heriau sy'n wynebu'r adran. Fe wnaeth dau beth fy nharo. Yn gyntaf, ymroddiad a gonestrwydd y staff. Mae meddygon a nyrsys yn dod i'r gwaith, shifft ar ôl shifft, i gyflawni eu dyletswyddau ac i gefnogi cleifion mewn amgylchiadau anodd dros ben. Hoffwn ddiolch yn arbennig i'r metron, Claire, a aeth â ni o amgylch yr adran i ddangos y problemau sy'n eu hwynebu.</p>
<p>Ond yr ail beth a'm trawodd, Weinidog Cabinet, oedd yr amodau ofnadwy y mae'r bobl hynny’n gorfod gweithio ynddynt, ddydd ar ôl dydd. Ac fe wnaethant ddangos i ni ei bod bron yn amhosibl iddynt wneud eu gwaith yn y cyfleusterau y maent yn gorfod gweithio ynddynt ar hyn o bryd. Felly, Weinidog Cabinet, a wnewch chi weithio gyda'r bwrdd iechyd i ddod o hyd i ateb i wella'r adran argyfwng yn Wrecsam fel y gall fy etholwyr gael y gofal y maent ei angen, ac yn y modd amserol y maent ei angen hefyd?</p>
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<p>Yes, thank you very much for that question. Can I just note again the absence of questions from the official opposition here? I'm sure they said previously that walkouts were childish, and that we shouldn't see walkouts, but there we go; they must have changed their minds.</p>
<p>But this is an important question. This is why we've got these scrutiny sessions. You raise an important issue for the people of north Wales, and parts of mid Wales, who depend on the services at Wrexham Maelor ED. I've been there a number of times myself in a personal capacity and seen and experienced the fantastic work done by many of the clinicians there in very difficult circumstances.</p>
<p>But, as I mentioned in the previous response, I will be publishing a new framework next week, which is looking exactly at the issues that you raised on how to improve the flow of patients from ambulance handover through to discharge, making sure that they get the best experience possible, don't stay in the ED longer than required, and certainly don't stay in the hospital beds and deteriorate longer than required. So, maybe we'll have an opportunity to scrutinise that framework and you might want to challenge me next week, when I publish it.</p>
<p>Ie, diolch yn fawr iawn am y cwestiwn hwnnw. A gaf i nodi eto absenoldeb cwestiynau gan yr wrthblaid swyddogol yma? Rwy'n siŵr iddynt ddweud yn flaenorol fod cerdded allan yn ymddygiad plentynnaidd, ac na ddylem weld pethau o'r fath, ond dyna ni; rhaid eu bod wedi newid eu meddyliau.</p>
<p>Ond mae hwn yn gwestiwn pwysig. Dyma pam y cawn y sesiynau craffu hyn. Rydych chi’n codi mater pwysig i bobl gogledd Cymru, a rhannau o ganolbarth Cymru, sy'n dibynnu ar y gwasanaethau yn adran argyfwng Ysbyty Maelor Wrecsam. Rwyf wedi bod yno sawl gwaith am resymau personol, ac wedi gweld a phrofi'r gwaith gwych a wneir gan lawer o'r clinigwyr yno mewn amgylchiadau anodd iawn.</p>
<p>Ond fel y soniais yn yr ymateb blaenorol, byddaf yn cyhoeddi fframwaith newydd yr wythnos nesaf i edrych ar yr union faterion a godwyd gennych ar sut i wella llif cleifion o’r adeg y cânt eu trosglwyddo o ambiwlansys hyd at eu rhyddhau, gan sicrhau eu bod yn cael y profiad gorau posibl, nad ydynt yn aros yn yr adran argyfwng yn hwy nag sydd angen, ac yn sicr nad ydynt yn aros mewn gwelyau ysbyty ac yn dirywio yn hwy nag sydd angen. Felly, efallai y cawn gyfle i graffu ar y fframwaith hwnnw, ac efallai y byddwch am fy herio yr wythnos nesaf pan fyddaf yn ei gyhoeddi.</p>
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<p>Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board has been in special measures for over a decade, and there are still serious questions remaining in terms of leadership, in terms of organisational structure as well. Like other Members, I also visited the accident and emergency department last week, and we can all see that they're struggling under enormous pressure. We've got long-standing parking problems at the Maelor as well. The hospital has been without a front door for the last three years because it was damaged by a car. So, on the face of it, different issues, but they point to a general lack of action, an organisation that's dysfunctional and struggling with the basics.</p>
<p>I acknowledge that the Cabinet Minister has inherited these long-standing issues, but people across Wrexham and north Wales are incredibly frustrated with the health board. We've had a gutsful, to be blunt. What would constitute failure in the eyes of the Welsh Government, and at what point does the Cabinet Minister conclude that the current leadership arrangements are just not working? Diolch.</p>
<p>Mae Bwrdd Iechyd Betsi Cadwaladr wedi bod o dan fesurau arbennig ers dros ddegawd, ac mae cwestiynau difrifol yn parhau ynghylch arweinyddiaeth, a strwythur sefydliadol yn ogystal. Fel yr Aelodau eraill, fe ymwelais innau hefyd â'r adran damweiniau ac achosion brys yr wythnos diwethaf, a gallwn i gyd weld eu bod yn ei chael hi’n anodd o dan bwysau aruthrol. Mae gennym broblemau parcio hirsefydlog yn ysbyty Maelor hefyd. Mae'r ysbyty wedi bod heb ddrws blaen ers tair blynedd bellach gan iddo gael ei ddifrodi gan gar. Felly, ar yr wyneb, materion gwahanol, ond maent yn tynnu sylw at ddiffyg gweithredu cyffredinol, sefydliad sy'n gamweithredol ac yn cael trafferth gyda'r pethau sylfaenol.</p>
<p>Rwy'n cydnabod mai etifeddu'r problemau hirsefydlog hyn y mae'r Gweinidog Cabinet wedi'i wneud, ond mae pobl ledled Wrecsam a gogledd Cymru yn hynod rwystredig gyda'r bwrdd iechyd. I fod yn onest, rydym wedi cael llond bol. Beth fyddai'n cyfrif fel methiant yn llygaid Llywodraeth Cymru, ac ar ba bwynt y daw’r Gweinidog Cabinet i'r casgliad nad yw'r trefniadau arweinyddiaeth presennol yn gweithio o gwbl? Diolch.</p>
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<p>I'd like to thank the Member for the questions that she raised and the points that she made. I sympathise with a lot of what she said, that people in north Wales are frustrated, to put it mildly, with how the health board has delivered services in the north. Just to assure people that, clinically, the services in many parts, and across the north, are exceptional. We have a problem with governance and with leadership and culture. That's why I commissioned the well-led review, and I'm expecting that well-led review to be published imminently. I will be making a statement in the Chamber on 24 November, based on that well-led review, and we will make decisions on the next steps for Betsi Cadwaladr following that.</p>
<p>But I've also made my expectations very, very clear when it comes to them delivering on some of the fundamentals, such as reaching their cancer targets, reaching their ambulance handover delays, ED times and finances. I expect those to see improvements not just in the statistics, but a sustained improvement over a four-month period, and that will allow us to then decide what steps we need to take with Betsi Cadwaladr moving to the future.</p>
<p>Hoffwn ddiolch i'r Aelod am y cwestiynau a gododd a'r pwyntiau a wnaeth. Rwy'n cydymdeimlo â llawer o'r hyn a ddywedodd, fod pobl gogledd Cymru yn rhwystredig, a dweud y lleiaf, ynghylch y ffordd y mae'r bwrdd iechyd wedi darparu gwasanaethau yn y gogledd. Hoffwn roi sicrwydd i bobl fod nifer o rannau o’r gwasanaethau yn eithriadol yn glinigol ar draws y gogledd. Mae gennym broblem gyda llywodraethiant, arweinyddiaeth a diwylliant. Dyna pam y comisiynais yr adolygiad arwain yn dda, ac rwy'n disgwyl i'r adolygiad hwnnw gael ei gyhoeddi’n fuan iawn. Byddaf yn gwneud datganiad yn y Siambr ar 24 Tachwedd yn seiliedig ar yr adolygiad hwnnw, a byddwn yn gwneud penderfyniadau ar y camau nesaf ar gyfer Betsi Cadwaladr yn dilyn hynny.</p>
<p>Ond rwyf hefyd wedi nodi'n glir iawn beth yw fy nisgwyliadau o ran cyflawni rhai o'r elfennau sylfaenol, megis cyrraedd eu targedau canser, cyrraedd targedau oedi wrth drosglwyddo cleifion o ambiwlansys, amseroedd adrannau argyfwng, a materion ariannol. Rwy'n disgwyl gweld gwelliannau yn y rheini, nid yn unig yn yr ystadegau, ond gwelliant parhaus dros gyfnod o bedwar mis, a bydd hynny'n ein galluogi i benderfynu wedyn pa gamau sydd angen eu cymryd gyda Betsi Cadwaladr wrth edrych tua'r dyfodol.</p>
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<p>Cwestiwn 12, Joe Martin—ddim yn bresennol.</p>
<p>Question 12, Joe Martin—not present.</p>
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<p>Not present.</p>
<p>Nid yw'n bresennol.</p>
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<p>Ni ofynnwyd cwestiwn 12 [OQ64883].</p>
<p>Question 12 [OQ64883] not asked.</p>
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<p>Diolch yn fawr iawn, Ddirprwy Weinidog a'r Gweinidog. Symudwn yn awr yn syth at eitem 2—</p>
<p>Thank you very much, Deputy Minister and Minister. We will move now immediately to item 2—</p>
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Harper, Carrie
<p>Can I raise a point of order?</p>
<p>A gaf i godi pwynt o drefn?</p>
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Irranca-Davies, Huw
<p>Have we had notice of the point of order?</p>
<p>A gawsom hysbysiad o'r pwynt o drefn?</p>
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<p>I have sent it through. </p>
<p>Rwyf wedi ei anfon drwodd.</p>
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Irranca-Davies, Huw
<p>I'm not sure we've received it. If we could have a look at it. We'll take the point of order, but we haven't had time to see it yet. So, go ahead, please.</p>
<p>Nid wyf yn siŵr a ydym wedi ei dderbyn. Os cawn ni edrych arno. Fe wnawn dderbyn y pwynt trefn, ond nid ydym wedi cael amser i'w weld eto. Felly, parhewch, os gwelwch yn dda.</p>
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Harper, Carrie
<p>Diolch, Lywydd. Every Member has a right to express robust views, but we also have a responsibility to do so within the rules and with respect for the dignity of this Senedd. Now, given that Reform Members have chosen not to attend today in response to your ruling against the use of discriminatory language, can you confirm that your ruling does not prevent legitimate debate on immigration or any other matter, but simply requires Members to abide by the standards of this Siambr? On Remembrance Day, when we remember those who sacrificed so much in defence of our democracy and our freedoms, is it not particularly important that all of us respect our democratic institutions by turning up, by scrutinising the important issues before us on health, on local government, and representing the people who have sent us here?</p>
<p>Diolch, Lywydd. Mae gan bob Aelod hawl i fynegi barn gref, ond mae gennym hefyd gyfrifoldeb i wneud hynny o fewn y rheolau ac mewn ffordd sy'n parchu urddas y Senedd hon. Nawr, gan fod Aelodau Reform wedi dewis peidio â bod yn bresennol heddiw mewn ymateb i'ch dyfarniad yn erbyn defnyddio iaith wahaniaethol, a allwch chi gadarnhau nad yw eich dyfarniad yn atal dadl ddilys ar fewnfudo nac ar unrhyw fater arall, ond yn hytrach ei fod yn ei gwneud hi’n ofynnol i’r Aelodau gadw at safonau'r Siambr hon? Ar Ddiwrnod y Cofio, pan gofiwn am y rhai a aberthodd gymaint i ddiogelu ein democratiaeth a'n rhyddid, onid yw'n arbennig o bwysig ein bod oll yn parchu ein sefydliadau democrataidd drwy fod yn bresennol, drwy graffu ar y materion pwysig sydd ger ein bron ar iechyd, ar lywodraeth leol, a chynrychioli'r bobl sydd wedi ein hanfon yma?</p>
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Irranca-Davies, Huw
<p>I thank the Member for that point of order. I can confirm that my ruling stands. We are not standing in the way of robust debate or in terms of different political opinions being expressed in this Chamber, but it's within the conduct that we expect of Members and within the Standing Orders as well. I've made my ruling very clear indeed. Thank you for raising that point. We'll now proceed.</p>
<p>Diolch i'r Aelod am y pwynt o drefn. Gallaf gadarnhau bod fy dyfarniad yn sefyll. Nid ydym yn rhwystro dadl gadarn nac yn atal safbwyntiau gwleidyddol gwahanol rhag cael eu mynegi yn y Siambr hon, ond rhaid i hynny gyd-fynd â'r safonau ymddygiad a ddisgwylir gan Aelodau ac o fewn y Rheolau Sefydlog. Rwyf wedi nodi fy dyfarniad yn glir iawn. Diolch am godi'r pwynt hwnnw. Nawr, gadewch inni symud ymlaen.</p>
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Irranca-Davies, Huw
<p>Symudwn yn awr at eitem 2, cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio, Siân Gwenllian. Cwestiwn 1, Janet Finch-Saunders.</p>
<p>We'll move now to item 2, questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning, Siân Gwenllian. Question 1, Janet Finch-Saunders.</p>
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Canolfan Ddata Afon Menai
Menai Strait Data Centre
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<p>1. Beth yw safbwynt Llywodraeth Cymru ar y cais cynllunio arfaethedig ar gyfer canolfan ddata ar Afon Menai, ger Caernarfon? OQ64857</p>
<p>1. What is the Welsh Government's position on the proposed planning application for a data centre on the Menai Strait, near Caernarfon? OQ64857</p>
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Sian Gwenllian AC
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<p>Diolch yn fawr am y cwestiwn, Janet. Fel efo pob cais cynllunio, fyddai hi ddim yn briodol i mi wneud sylwadau ar y prosiect penodol hwn, Lywydd, gan y gallai hynny ragfarnu rôl Gweinidogion Cymru yn y dyfodol pe bai'r cais cynllunio yn dod ger eu bron am benderfyniad.</p>
<p>Thank you very much for the question, Janet. As with all planning applications, it would not be appropriate for me to comment on this specific project, Llywydd, as that could prejudice the role of Welsh Ministers in the future should the planning application come before them for determination.</p>
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Finch-Saunders, Janet
<p>Diolch. Cabinet Minister, it's never stopped me in the past. I am a conduit for the electors in Bangor Conwy Môn and I feel it's important to put it on the record here the problems this data centre—</p>
<p>Diolch. Weinidog Cabinet, nid yw erioed wedi fy atal i yn y gorffennol. Rwy'n gyfrwng i'r etholwyr ym Mangor Conwy Môn ac rwy'n teimlo ei bod yn bwysig cofnodi yma y problemau y mae'r ganolfan ddata—</p>
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Gwenllian, Sian
<p>You can ask.</p>
<p>Fe gewch chi ofyn.</p>
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Finch-Saunders, Janet
<p>Yes. I am doing. [<em>Laughter</em>.] The warning signs could not be clearer. This development would cover almost 41 hectares beside the environmentally sensitive and beautiful Menai strait. It would demand an enormous 450 MW electricity connection and it would require almost 12 million litres of water every single day. Even Dŵr Cymru itself has questioned whether the sewerage infrastructure has the capacity to cope. We the Welsh Conservatives support enterprise, investment and skilled employment, but a responsible Government must not sacrifice our communities, our natural environment or any of our resources at any price. Our residents and businesses deserve better.</p>
<p>Let me be absolutely clear: we do not want this data centre. It is in the wrong place; it must not be allowed to proceed. I know you've mentioned your position, and I respect your position, but my question would be whether you could exercise some power to call in this application and refuse permission for the development that is simply unsuitable for the Menai strait. Diolch.</p>
<p>Rwy'n gwneud. [<em>Chwerthin</em>.] Ni allai'r arwyddion fod yn gliriach. Byddai'r datblygiad hwn yn gorchuddio bron i 41 hectar wrth ymyl culfor amgylcheddol sensitif a hardd afon Menai. Byddai'n galw am gysylltiad trydan enfawr o 450 MW a byddai angen bron i 12 miliwn litr o ddŵr bob dydd. Mae hyd yn oed Dŵr Cymru ei hun wedi cwestiynu a allai'r seilwaith carthffosiaeth ymdopi. Rydym ni'r Ceidwadwyr Cymreig yn cefnogi menter, buddsoddiad a chyflogaeth fedrus, ond ni ddylai Llywodraeth gyfrifol aberthu ein cymunedau, ein hamgylchedd naturiol nac unrhyw un o'n hadnoddau am unrhyw bris. Mae ein trigolion a'n busnesau yn haeddu gwell.</p>
<p>Gadewch imi fod yn hollol glir: nid ydym eisiau'r ganolfan ddata hon. Mae yn y lle anghywir; ni ddylid caniatáu iddi fynd yn ei blaen. Rwy'n gwybod eich bod wedi sôn am eich safbwynt, ac rwy'n parchu eich safbwynt, ond fy nghwestiwn yw a allech chi arfer rhywfaint o bŵer i alw'r cais hwn i mewn a gwrthod caniatâd i'r datblygiad sy'n anaddas ar gyfer afon Menai. Diolch.</p>
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Gwenllian, Sian
<p>Diolch yn fawr iawn, a diolch am barchu'r ffaith nad ydw i'n gallu gwneud sylwadau ar brosiectau penodol oherwydd fy rôl fel Gweinidog. Mi fedraf i ddweud wrthych chi y bydd Cabinet y Llywodraeth yma yn trafod adroddiad cychwynnol ynglŷn â gweithredu arfaethedig ar gyfer polisi trawslywodraethol cyfannol ar ganolfannau data, a byddwn ni'n trafod yr adroddiad cychwynnol yna yn ddiweddarach y mis yma. Felly, yn amlwg mae'n gynamserol i mi ddweud dim byd am y dull gweithredu yna. Mae fy swyddogion i yn gweithio'n agos efo'r swyddogion sy'n gyfrifol am bolisi economaidd digidol y Llywodraeth i ddatblygu fframwaith polisi strategol mewn perthynas â chanolfannau data. Mi fyddwn ni'n ystyried dulliau gweithredu rhyngwladol fel rhan o'r gwaith yna, y dulliau gweithredu sy'n cael eu defnyddio ar draws y byd o ran canolfannau data, ac yn dysgu gwersi o'r hyn sy'n gweithio.<span style="text-decoration: underline;"><br></span></p>
<p>Thank you very much, and thank you for respecting the fact that I am unable to comment on specific projects because of my role as Minister. I can tell you that this Government's Cabinet will be discussing the initial report on proposed action for a cross-governmental holistic policy on data centres, and we will be discussing that initial report later this month. So, clearly it would be premature for me to say anything about the approach there. My officials are working closely with officials responsible for the Government's digital economic policy in order to develop a strategic policy framework in relation to data centres. We will be considering international approaches as part of that work, the approaches taken across the globe in terms of data centres, and we will learn lessons from what works best.</p>
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Brown, Beca
<p>Mae hanes Cymru yn frith o enghreifftiau o gymunedau yn gorfod ysgwyddo baich datblygiadau anaddas tra bod rhywun arall, yn rhywle arall, yn mwynhau buddiannau'r datblygiadau anaddas hynny. Dyna beth sydd yn cael ei gynnig gan ganolfan ddata Menai, datblygiad cwbl anaddas i'r lleoliad, neges a glywyd yn glir gan y cannoedd o bobl a ymgasglodd ar y maes yng Nghaernarfon yn ddiweddar i godi eu lleisiau yn erbyn y datblygiad. O ystyried bod economi'r ardal hon ar lan y Fenai wedi ei seilio i raddau helaeth ar y dirwedd, yr arfordir, y bywyd gwyllt a'r ymdeimlad o le, pa asesiad mae Llywodraeth Cymru wedi ei wneud o fanteision economaidd hirdymor canolfan ddata Menai, gan gynnwys nifer y swyddi parhaol a ddisgwylir, er mwyn i'r gymuned leol fedru pwyso a mesur beth allai gael ei ennill yn erbyn yr hyn allai gael ei golli?</p>
<p>The history of Wales is full of examples of communities having to bear the burden of unsuitable developments while someone else, somewhere else, enjoys the benefits of those unsuitable developments. That is what's being proposed by the Menai data centre, a development that is completely unsuitable for the location, a message that was clearly heard by the hundreds of people who gathered on the <em>maes</em> in Caernarfon recently to protest against it. Given that the economy of this area on the banks of the Menai strait is based to a large extent on the landscape, the coast, the wildlife and the sense of place, what assessment has the Welsh Government made of the long-term economic benefits of the Menai data centre, including the number of permanent jobs expected, so that the local community can weigh up what could be gained against what could be lost?</p>
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<p>Diolch yn fawr iawn. Unwaith eto, mae'n rhaid i fi ddweud bod fy rôl i fel y Gweinidog cynllunio, ac yn wir rôl y Gweinidogion eraill hefyd, yn golygu ein bod ni ddim yn gallu rhoi barn ar unrhyw gais cynllunio penodol rhag ofn y byddai fo yn cyrraedd ein desgiau ni yn y dyfodol. Ond dwi'n meddwl bod y ffaith bod y Cabinet yn mynd i fod yn trafod y papur cychwynnol ynglŷn â'r dull gweithredu ar bolisi ac yn symud ymlaen efo datblygu fframwaith polisi strategol mewn perthynas â chanolfannau data yn dangos ein bod ni'n cydnabod bod angen i'r Llywodraeth yma roi sylw i'r angen am fframwaith. Ces i gyfarfod ar y cyd ddoe efo'r Gweinidog economi i symud y gwaith yma ymlaen, y gwaith o greu fframwaith polisi cynhwysol fyddai ar gyfer y Llywodraeth gyfan. Mi fyddwn ni'n trafod y materion ar lefel uchel yn fuan, ond bydd yna fwy o waith i wneud ar hynny, a bydd yna gyfle hefyd i wrando ar y farn gyhoeddus fel rhan o'r broses yma, a barn rhanddeiliaid a phawb sydd efo diddordeb yn y mater yma.</p>
<p>Thank you very much. Once again, I do have to say that my role as planning Minister, and indeed the role of other Ministers too, does mean that we cannot express a view on any specific planning application in case it reaches our desks in the future. But I do think that the fact that the Cabinet will be discussing that initial paper on the approach to policy and also moving ahead with developing a strategic policy framework in relation to data centres does demonstrate that we do recognise that this Government needs to address the need for a framework. I had a joint meeting yesterday with the Minister for economy to progress this work in terms of creating that comprehensive policy framework, which would cover the whole of the Government. We will be discussing the high-level issues soon, but there will be more work to be done on that, and there will also be an opportunity to listen to public opinion as part of this process, and also to take into account the views of stakeholders and everyone else who is interested in the issue.</p>
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<p>Cwestiwn 2, David Hughes—ddim yn bresennol. </p>
<p>Question 2, David Hughes—not present.</p>
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<p>Not present.</p>
<p>Nid yw'n bresennol.</p>
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<p>Ni ofynnwyd cwestiwn 2 [OQ64878].</p>
<p>Question 2 [OQ64878] not asked.</p>
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Questions Without Notice from Party Spokespeople
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<p>Symudwn nawr at gwestiynau'r llefarwyr. Galwaf yn awr ar lefarwyr y pleidiau i holi'r Gweinidog Cabinet. Yn gyntaf, llefarydd Reform UK, Francesca O'Brien. Ddim yn bresennol.</p>
<p>We'll move now to spokespeople's questions. I call on the party spokespeople to question the Cabinet Minister. First of all, Reform UK spokesperson Francesca O'Brient. Not present.</p>
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<p>Not present. </p>
<p>Nid yw'n bresennol.</p>
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<p>Llefarydd Llafur Cymru, Jayne Bryant.</p>
<p>Welsh Labour spokesperson, Jayne Bryant.</p>
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Bryant, Jayne
<p>Diolch, Lywydd. The previous Welsh Labour Government invested record levels of funding, which delivered a record number of social homes and has left a strong pipeline in Wales. Even if this Government's target of 20,000 social homes in four years is met, which we all hope it will be, Minister, the projections suggest that we'll still have a housing shortage unless a further 20,000 homes are built in that period. Mixed-tenure developments that deliver high-quality homes to rent and buy, alongside social homes, are absolutely crucial, Minister. What action is the Welsh Government taking to boost the wider landscape of house building across Wales?</p>
<p>Diolch, Lywydd. Buddsoddodd Llywodraeth Lafur flaenorol Cymru lefelau uwch nag erioed o gyllid, a arweiniodd at nifer uwch nag erioed o gartrefi cymdeithasol ac mae wedi sicrhau llif cadarn yng Nghymru. Hyd yn oed os cyflawnir targed y Llywodraeth hon o 20,000 o gartrefi cymdeithasol mewn pedair blynedd, rhywbeth rydym i gyd yn gobeithio ei weld yn digwydd, Weinidog, mae’r rhagfynegiadau’n awgrymu y bydd prinder tai yn parhau oni bai bod 20,000 o gartrefi ychwanegol yn cael eu hadeiladu yn y cyfnod hwnnw. Felly, mae datblygiadau deiliadaeth gymysg sy’n darparu cartrefi o ansawdd uchel i’w gosod ar rent a’u prynu ochr yn ochr â chartrefi cymdeithasol, yn hollbwysig, Weinidog. Pa gamau y mae Llywodraeth Cymru yn eu cymryd i hybu’r dirwedd ehangach o adeiladu tai ledled Cymru?</p>
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Gwenllian, Sian
<p>Diolch yn fawr iawn i chi am y cwestiwn. Rhaid i fi ddweud fy mod i'n siomedig iawn o gerdded i mewn yma'r prynhawn yma a gweld seddau gwag, lle mae Reform fel arfer. Mae gan Aelodau'r wrthblaid ddyletswydd i fy nal i a Gweinidogion eraill i gyfrif a chraffu ar ein gwaith ni ar ran pobl Cymru. Felly, dwi'n croesawu'r cwestiynau gan y llefarydd Llafur ac yn edrych ymlaen at rai'r llefarydd Ceidwadol y prynhawn yma.</p>
<p>O ran eich pwyntiau chi ynglŷn â'r uchelgais 20,000 o gartrefi cymdeithasol a rhan y diwydiant cyfan yn gwireddu'r uchelgais yna, mae o yn darged uchelgeisiol. Mi ydyn ni yn adeiladu ar waith sydd wedi cael ei wneud gan y Llywodraeth ddiwethaf, ac mae'r rhagolygon yn edrych fel y bydd yna flwyddyn arall bwysig o ran symud yr agenda yma ymlaen, efo dros 400 o gartrefi yn y bibell ar gyfer hynny. Dwi wedi rhoi ffocws clir ar ddatblygu tai cymdeithasol, ond wrth gwrs yn cydnabod bod cyfraniad y sector tai cyfan, yr ochr fasnachol, yn hollbwysig i ni i yrru'r agenda yna ymlaen. Rydym ni wedi cynnal cyfarfod yn ddiweddar efo'r gymdeithas sy'n cynrychioli'r adeiladwyr tai, yn cydnabod eu cyfraniad pwysig nhw tuag at adeiladu mwy o dai yng Nghymru.</p>
<p>Ond mae'n rhaid i fi ddweud bod fy ffocws i yn hollol glir. Mae gennym ni y pwerau, mae gennym ni fwy o lifers o lawer o ran yr ochr tai cymdeithasol, ac i mi, datblygu'r cyflenwad yna o dai cymdeithasol ydy'r ffordd i ymateb i'r argyfwng tai ac i gael gwared ar ddigartrefedd.</p>
<p>Thank you very much for that question. I have to say that I was very disappointed, having walked in here this afternoon, to see empty seats where Reform usually sit. Opposition Members have a duty to hold me and other Ministers to account and to scrutinise our work on behalf of the people of Wales. So, I welcome the questions from the Labour spokesperson and I look forward to the questions from the Conservative spokesperson this afternoon.</p>
<p>In terms of your points regarding the ambition for 20,000 social homes and the part of the whole industry in realising that ambition, it is an ambitious target. We are building on work that was done by the previous Government, and the forecasts look as if there'll be another important year in terms of moving this agenda forward, with over 400 homes in the pipeline for that. I have placed a clear focus on developing social housing, but I also recognise that the contribution of the whole housing sector, the commercial side, is crucial for us to drive that agenda forward. We have held a meeting recently with the association representing house builders, recognising their important contribution to building more homes in Wales.</p>
<p>But I have to say that my focus is completely clear. We have the powers, we have more levers than ever in terms of the social housing sector, and for me, developing that supply of social housing is the way to respond to the housing crisis and eradicate homelessness.</p>
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Bryant, Jayne
<p>Diolch, Minister. It is really important that we do have that focus on social homes, but also that mixed tenure is so important, and to make sure that narrative is getting out to others as well. You talked about homelessness in your answer there, Minister, but the housing support sector has raised serious concerns that 68 per cent of organisations offering housing and homelessness support have seen an increase in demand for services. Because of this, the sector is calling for a 16 per cent increase in funding. What assessment has the Welsh Government made of the increased resources required for vital support services and to end homelessness in Wales?</p>
<p>Diolch, Weinidog. Mae'n wirioneddol bwysig ein bod yn canolbwyntio ar gartrefi cymdeithasol, ond hefyd fod deiliadaeth gymysg yn hollbwysig, a sicrhau bod y neges honno'n cael ei chyfleu i eraill hefyd. Fe wnaethoch chi sôn am ddigartrefedd yn eich ateb, Weinidog, ond mae'r sector cymorth tai wedi codi pryderon difrifol fod 68 y cant o'r sefydliadau sy'n cynnig cymorth tai a chymorth digartrefedd wedi gweld cynnydd yn y galw am wasanaethau. Oherwydd hyn, mae'r sector yn galw am gynnydd o 16 y cant mewn cyllid. Pa asesiad y mae Llywodraeth Cymru wedi'i wneud o'r adnoddau ychwanegol sydd eu hangen ar gyfer gwasanaethau cymorth hanfodol ac i roi diwedd ar ddigartrefedd yng Nghymru?</p>
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Sian Gwenllian AC
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Gwenllian, Sian
<p>Diolch yn fawr iawn. Dwi'n rhannu'r weledigaeth o ddiweddu digartrefedd yng Nghymru. Dwi'n croesawu'r hyn y mae Prif Weinidog y Deyrnas Unedig a'r Canghellor wedi'i ddweud hefyd, y weledigaeth yma ein bod ni'n cael gwared ar ddigartrefedd a bod misiwn cenedlaethol ar gyfer hynny. Mae cyfraniad yr elusennau yn y maes yma yn hollbwysig i ni wrth fynd ymlaen.</p>
<p>Yn ogystal, mae'r gwaith ataliol fydd yn digwydd drwy weithredu'r Ddeddf, y Ddeddf y bu'r ddwy ohonon ni'n gweithio arni hi, hefyd yn hollbwysig, ac mae gweithredu'r Ddeddf yn golygu y byddwn ni'n gallu rhoi'r pwyslais ar y gwaith amlasiantaethol i wneud yn siŵr ein bod ni yn adnabod problemau, bod yr asiantaethau gwahanol yn cydweithio pan fydd problemau yn wynebu teuluoedd ac unigolion sydd yn wynebu digartrefedd, a bod y gwaith yn symud i'r cyfeiriad yna, fel ein bod ni yn wirioneddol yn gallu cyflawni'r weledigaeth fawr yma y mae'r ddwy ohonon ni yn ei rhannu.</p>
<p>Thank you very much. I share the vision of bringing an end to homelessness in Wales. I welcome what the UK Prime Minister and the Chancellor said, this vision that we eradicate homelessness and that there is a national mission for that. Of course, the contribution of charities in this area is crucial to us as we progress.</p>
<p>In addition, the preventative work that will be going on through implementing that Act that both of us have worked on is also crucial, and implementing the Act means that we'll be able to put the emphasis on the multi-agency work to ensure that we identify problems, that the different agencies work together when problems are facing families and individuals who are facing homelessness, and that the work moves in that direction, so that we genuinely can deliver this great vision that both of us share.</p>
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<p>Llefarydd y Ceidwadwyr Cymreig, Peter Fox.</p>
<p>Welsh Conservatives spokesperson, Peter Fox.</p>
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<p>Diolch, Lywydd. Cabinet Minister, when new housing developments are built, local authorities almost always require a proportion of homes to be delivered as affordable housing. However, for people living with conditions such as motor neurone disease, the challenge is often lengthy waits for adaptations to existing homes or for suitably adapted properties to become available. While building regulations and planning guidance encourage greater accessibility, there is no consistent requirement for a proportion of new homes to be built to a higher accessibility and adaptability standard.</p>
<p>Cabinet Minister, given the growing demand for housing across Wales, will the Welsh Government consider requiring a portion of new affordable or social homes to be designed to meet the needs of people with severe disabilities and life-limiting conditions? If not, what further action will it take to increase the supply of suitable adapted homes?</p>
<p>Diolch, Lywydd. Weinidog Cabinet, pan adeiladir datblygiadau tai newydd, mae awdurdodau lleol bron bob amser yn ei gwneud yn ofynnol i gyfran o'r cartrefi gael eu darparu fel tai fforddiadwy. Fodd bynnag, i bobl sy'n byw gyda chyflyrau fel clefyd niwronau motor, yr her yn aml yw amseroedd aros hir am addasiadau i gartrefi presennol neu i eiddo wedi'i addasu'n briodol ddod ar gael. Er bod rheoliadau adeiladu a chanllawiau cynllunio yn annog gwell hygyrchedd, nid oes gofyniad cyson i gyfran o gartrefi newydd gael eu hadeiladu i safon uwch o ran hygyrchedd ac addasadwyedd.</p>
<p>Weinidog Cabinet, o ystyried y galw cynyddol am dai ledled Cymru, a fydd Llywodraeth Cymru yn ystyried ei gwneud yn ofynnol i gyfran o dai fforddiadwy neu dai cymdeithasol newydd gael eu cynllunio i ddiwallu anghenion pobl ag anableddau difrifol a chyflyrau sy'n cyfyngu ar fywyd? Os na, pa gamau pellach y bydd yn eu cymryd i gynyddu'r cyflenwad o gartrefi addas wedi'u haddasu?</p>
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<p>Diolch yn fawr iawn. Mae hyn hefyd yn rhan o'r agenda ataliol. Os oes gennym ni bobl yn gallu byw mewn cartrefi sydd wedi cael eu haddasu'n bwrpasol, sydd yn eu harbed nhw rhag disgyn ac sydd yn gallu cyfarch anghenion eraill o ran bod y drysau'n ddigon llydan, ac yn y blaen, ar gyfer cadair olwyn, mae hynna i gyd yn rhan o fedru galluogi pobl i fyw yn annibynnol yn eu cartrefi eu hunain cyn hired â phosib, ac mae hwnna'n rhan o weledigaeth y Llywodraeth yma.</p>
<p>Mae asesiadau llywodraeth leol, cynghorau sir, ar gyfer anghenion tai wedi newid yn ddiweddar. Mae'r asesiadau yna yn galluogi llywodraeth leol i adnabod anghenion penodol o fewn eu hardaloedd nhw ac i weithio hynny i mewn i'w cynlluniau datblygu. Dwi'n gobeithio gweld mwy o bwyslais ar yr union anghenion sydd ar gyfer gwahanol ardaloedd. Mae gennym ni hefyd gronfa <em>housing with care</em>, sy'n gronfa benodol sydd ar gael ar gyfer datblygu cartrefi gyda chefnogaeth ar gyfer gwahanol garfannau o fewn ein cymdeithas ni. Ond dwi'n cytuno efo chi, medrwn ni fynd ymhellach.</p>
<p>Thank you very much. This too is part of the preventative agenda. If we have people who can live in homes that have been properly adapted, which stop them from having falls and can meet other needs in terms of ensuring that the doors are wide enough for wheelchairs and so on, that is all part of enabling people to live independently in their own homes for as long as possible, and that is part of this Government's vision. </p>
<p>The way that local government assessments of housing need are made has changed recently. Those assessments do allow local authorities to identify particular needs in their own areas and then to work that in to their development plans. I very much hope that we will see more emphasis on the exact needs that exist in different areas. We also have a housing with care fund, which is a particular fund available in order to develop homes with support for different groups within our society. But I agree with you, we could go further. </p>
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<p>Thank you, Cabinet Minister. We know there is some good work being carried out by registered social landlords in making provision, but sadly nowhere near enough for the growing demand of people who need it. So, we hope to see some progress in that regard.</p>
<p>Moving on to town regeneration, Cabinet Minister, the Welsh Government has announced funding with the aim of increasing footfall in our town centres, but despite this, we continue to receive reports of struggling businesses and declining shoppers. While funding announcements are always welcome, local communities need to see evidence that regeneration schemes are delivering lasting improvements rather than short-term headlines. Cabinet Minister, given the continued challenges facing many high streets across Wales, what assessment has the Welsh Government made of whether its town centre regeneration programmes are delivering value for money and whether further targeted support, such as additional business rates relief, is required to properly support our town centres?</p>
<p>Diolch, Weinidog Cabinet. Gwyddom fod landlordiaid cymdeithasol cofrestredig yn gwneud gwaith da yn darparu tai, ond yn anffodus nid yw’n agos digon i ddiwallu’r galw cynyddol gan y bobl sydd eu hangen. Felly, rydym yn gobeithio gweld rhywfaint o gynnydd yn hynny o beth.</p>
<p>Gan droi at adfywio trefi, Weinidog Cabinet, mae Llywodraeth Cymru wedi cyhoeddi cyllid gyda’r nod o gynyddu nifer yr ymwelwyr â chanol ein trefi, ond er hynny, rydym yn parhau i glywed am fusnesau sy’n ei chael hi'n anodd ac am ostyngiad yn nifer y siopwyr. Er bod cyhoeddiadau cyllid bob amser i’w croesawu, mae angen i gymunedau lleol weld tystiolaeth fod cynlluniau adfywio yn arwain at welliannau parhaol yn hytrach na dim ond penawdau tymor byr. Weinidog Cabinet, o ystyried yr heriau parhaus sy’n wynebu llawer o strydoedd mawr ledled Cymru, pa asesiad y mae Llywodraeth Cymru wedi’i wneud i weld a yw ei rhaglenni adfywio canol trefi'n cynnig gwerth am arian ac a oes angen cymorth pellach wedi’i dargedu, fel rhyddhad ardrethi busnes ychwanegol, er mwyn cefnogi canol ein trefi yn briodol?</p>
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<p>Diolch yn fawr iawn am y cwestiwn pwysig yna ynglŷn ag adfywio canolfannau trefol. Rydych chi'n gwybod bod hyn yn un o flaenoriaethau'r Llywodraeth yma. Rydyn ni wedi sefydlu tasglu sydd yn edrych yn benodol ar rai o'r heriau sydd yn wynebu canol ein trefi ni. Mi fydd y tasglu yna yn dod ag argymhellion ymlaen yn fuan iawn. Mi fyddan nhw'n edrych ar faterion fel ardrethi busnes, oes angen camau pellach i'r cyfeiriad yna. Byddan nhw'n edrych ar faterion cynllunio i wneud yn siŵr ei bod hi'n haws i newid gofodau gwag ar y stryd fawr yn gartrefi ar gyfer ein pobl ni. Mae yna enghreifftiau lle mae yna newid gwirioneddol yn digwydd.</p>
<p>Rydych chi'n gywir i sôn bod eisiau cadw'r rhaglenni yma dan sylw drwy'r amser, ac yn sicr mae eisiau gweld bod yna werth am arian. Ond bues i yn Wrecsam yn ddiweddar, er enghraifft, yn gweld sut mae cynlluniau adfywio canol tref Wrecsam yn gwneud gwahaniaeth. Roedd rhywun yn gweld bwrlwm yna. Mae Tŷ Pawb yn un enghraifft wych lle mae busnesau bach, meicrofusnesau, yn cael cyfle i ddatblygu, ac wedyn mae yna enghreifftiau ohonyn nhw'n symud allan i gymryd gofod ar y stryd fawr—gofod sydd wedi bod yn wag. Mae yna fuddsoddi pellach yn digwydd yn Wrecsam rŵan yn sgil y cynllun canol trefi. Felly mae yna enghreifftiau da iawn, a dwi'n meddwl bod angen inni fod yn dysgu o'r rheini ac yn edrych yn bositif at ddyfodol canol ein trefi ni a meddwl sut rydym ni'n mynd i fod yn gwneud y gorau o'r cronfeydd sydd ar gael ond hefyd yn datblygu beth sydd angen ei wneud nesaf. Dwi'n edrych ymlaen at weld ffrwyth gwaith y tasglu canol trefi yn dod ymlaen.</p>
<p>Thank you very much for that important question on regenerating our town centres. You will know that this is one of this Government's priorities. We have established a taskforce that looks specifically at some of the challenges facing our town centres. That taskforce will bring forward its recommendations very soon. They will look at issues such as business rates, whether we need to take further steps in that direction. They will look at planning issues in order to ensure that it could be easier to change the use of vacant spaces on our high streets so that they can become homes for our people. There are examples where there is a step change happening.</p>
<p>You are right in saying that we need to keep an eye on these programmes on all occasions, and we need to ensure that they do deliver value for money. But I was in Wrexham recently, for example, and I saw how town centre regeneration plans in Wrexham are making a difference. One could see the activity there. Tŷ Pawb is one wonderful example where small businesses, microbusinesses indeed, have an opportunity to develop, and then there are examples of them moving out to take up space on the high street—space that may have been vacant for some time. There is now further investment happening in Wrexham in light of the town centre programme. So, there are good examples out there, and I think we need to learn from those and look positively to the future of our town centres and to think how we can make the most of the funds available, whilst also developing what the next steps need to be. I look forward to seeing the taskforce's work when it is brought forward.</p>
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<p>3. Pa gamau y mae Llywodraeth Cymru yn eu cymryd i ddarparu mwy o dai cymdeithasol ym Mangor Conwy Môn erbyn diwedd y Senedd hon? OQ64893</p>
<p>3. What steps is the Welsh Government taking to provide more social housing in Bangor Conwy Môn by the end of this Senedd? OQ64893</p>
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<p>Os caf i eich amynedd chi, Lywydd, mae'n bechod nad yw arweinydd Reform, sy'n Aelod dros yr etholaeth yma, ddim yma i glywed yr ateb ac i fod yn rhan o'r drafodaeth.</p>
<p>If I can say, Llywydd, it's a pity that the Reform leader, who is a Member for that constituency, isn't here to listen to the question and to be part of the discussion. </p>
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<p>Mae awdurdodau lleol ar draws etholaeth Bangor Conwy Môn wedi cael dyraniad o dros £70 miliwn yn y flwyddyn ariannol yma drwy ein prif raglenni cyfalaf tai cymdeithasol. Efo’i gilydd, bydd hyn yn cyfrannu at ddarparu dros 1,100 o dai cymdeithasol ar draws tymor y Senedd yma.</p>
<p>Local authorities across the Bangor Conwy Môn constituency have been allocated over £70 million in this financial year, via our main social housing capital programmes. Taken together, this will contribute to the delivery of over 1,100 social homes across this Senedd term.</p>
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<p>Diolch i'r Gweinidog am yr ymateb. Rwy'n croesawu uchelgais y Llywodraeth i ddarparu mwy o dai cymdeithasol addas i bwrpas dros y pedair blynedd nesaf. Wrth fynd ati i wireddu'r addewid hwn, mae'n bwysig cydnabod bod gan wahanol gymunedau anghenion a chapasiti gwahanol. Er enghraifft, mae rhai cymunedau gwledig ym Mangor Conwy Môn wedi wynebu heriau sylweddol wrth geisio ymdopi â nifer o dai newydd yn cael eu hadeiladu'n lleol, boed hynny o ran lleoedd mewn ysgolion, cyfleoedd gwaith lleol neu argaeledd gwasanaethau cyhoeddus. Byddwn i'n gwerthfawrogi pe byddai'r Gweinidog yn gallu amlinellu'r prosesau y bydd Llywodraeth Cymru yn eu dilyn i daro'r cydbwysedd cywir o ran adeiladu mwy o dai cymdeithasol heb fynd ar draul cymeriad a chapasiti cymunedau cefn gwlad, gan ystyried hefyd fod yr angen am dai mewn rhai pentrefi llai yn sylweddol is nag mewn pentrefi mwy a threfi.</p>
<p>I thank the Minister for her response. I welcome the Government's ambition to provide more social housing that is fit for purpose over the next four years. In seeking to realise this pledge, it's important to recognise that different communities have different needs and capacities. For example, some rural communities in Bangor Conwy Môn have faced significant challenges when trying to cope with the number of new homes being built locally, whether that be in terms of school places, local job opportunities, or the availability of public services. I would therefore appreciate if the Minister could outline the processes that the Welsh Government will follow to strike the right balance in terms of building more social housing without compromising the character and capacity of rural communities, while bearing in mind also that the need for housing in some smaller villages is significantly lower than in larger villages and towns.</p>
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<p>Diolch yn fawr iawn. Rydych chi'n hollol iawn. Mae anghenion trefi a dinasoedd yn gallu bod yn wahanol iawn i anghenion cymunedau bach gwledig, cymunedau lle mae'r iaith Gymraeg yn ffynnu. Mae eisiau bod yn hynod o ofalus bod hynny i gyd yn cael ei gymryd i ystyriaeth gyda datblygu unrhyw gynlluniau newydd. Ond jest i roi bach mwy o gig ar yr asgwrn ynglŷn â beth rydyn ni'n gwario arno fo ar hyn o bryd drwy'r grantiau cyfalaf, mae cymdeithas dai ClwydAlyn wrthi'n gweithio ar safle eu cynllun nhw yng Nghaergybi, cynllun sy'n cael ei adnabod fel Cae Bothan. Mae yna 54 o gartrefi newydd, yn cynnwys byngalos a fflatiau, yn cael eu datblygu yn y fan yna. Mae yna waith adeiladu'n mynd rhagddo ar gynllun Adra, cynllun o'r enw Incline Fields ym Mangor. Dwi'n gwybod yn union lle mae hwnna. Mae hwnna'n datblygu'n sydyn iawn efo 48 o gartrefi. Dyna ddwy enghraifft i chi o ddatblygiadau trefol.</p>
<p>O ran datblygu yng nghefn gwlad, dwi'n meddwl beth sydd yn hynod o bwysig ydy cofio am yr asesiad marchnad tai lleol. Drwy'r asesiad yna, mae modd gweld yn union beth ydy'r anghenion gwahanol mewn gwahanol lefydd. Rydyn ni'n gwybod bod gan ardaloedd gwledig heriau penodol, ac mae'r hwyluswyr tai gwledig yn adnodd gwerthfawr i ni fedru adnabod beth ydy'r anghenion gwirioneddol. Mae modd i'r grant cyfalaf tai cymdeithasol gael ei ddefnyddio gan grwpiau tai dan arweiniad y gymuned, a byddwn i'n hoffi gweld mwy o'r math yna o ddarpariaeth yn digwydd. Mae o'n gallu bod yn rhywbeth gwerthfawr iawn i gymunedau ddod at ei gilydd ac adnabod yr anghenion a gweithio efo'i gilydd, efo cymorth yr hwyluswyr tai, er enghraifft, i fod yn datblygu yn y ffordd yna, sydd yn gydnaws â'r anghenion, ond yn gydnaws hefyd efo cymeriad y gymuned honno. Felly, dwi'n gobeithio eich bod chi'n gweld ein bod ni'n wirioneddol yn ystyried y mater yma o ddifri.</p>
<p>Thank you very much. You're absolutely right. The needs of towns and cities can be very different to the needs of smaller rural communities, communities where the Welsh language prospers. We need to be very careful that that is all taken into account with the development of any new proposals. But just to put a little more meat on the bone in terms of what we are spending on at the moment through our capital grants, the ClwydAlyn housing association is working on a site in Holyhead, a development known as Cae Bothan. There are 54 new homes, including bungalows and flats, that are being developed there. There is construction work progressing on an Adra development, Incline Fields in Bangor. I know exactly where that is. That is developing very quickly with 48 new homes. Those are just two examples of urban developments.</p>
<p>In terms of developments in rural areas, I think what's extremely important is that we bear in mind the local housing market assessment. Through that assessment, one can identify exactly what the differing needs are in different places. We know that rural areas face particular challenges, and the rural housing facilitators are a valuable resource for us to identify what the real needs are. It is possible for the social housing capital grant to be used by community-led housing groups, and I would like to see more of that kind of provision made. It can be very valuable for communities to come together to identify the needs, and to work together, with the support of the housing enablers, to develop in that way, which is in keeping with needs, but also in keeping with the character of that community. So, I hope that you can see that we really do take these issues seriously.</p>
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<p>4. Pa gamau y mae'r Gweinidog Cabinet wedi'u cymryd i sicrhau bod rheolau a rheoliadau cynllunio yn cael eu cymhwyso'n gyson ledled Cymru? OQ64902</p>
<p>4. What action has the Cabinet Minister taken to ensure that planning rules and regulations are applied consistently across Wales? OQ64902</p>
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<p>Dwi’n cymryd camau sylweddol i gefnogi’r gwaith o gymhwyso deddfwriaeth gynllunio yn gyson, a hynny drwy roi Deddf Cynllunio (Cymru) 2026 ar waith. Pan ddaw’r Ddeddf i rym, mi fydd y fframwaith newydd yn gwneud y gyfraith gynllunio’n gliriach ac yn haws i’r holl randdeiliaid ei deall a’i chymhwyso’n gyson ledled Cymru.</p>
<p>I am taking significant steps to support consistent application of planning legislation through the implementation of the Planning (Wales) Act 2026. When the Act comes into force, the new framework will make planning law clearer and easier for all stakeholders to understand and apply consistently across Wales.</p>
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<p>Thank you for your response, Cabinet Minister. I'd like to give you an example of an issue in my own constituency where there seems to be a real lack of adherence to regulations, and that's in particular in Penley, which is a small village in Fflint Wrecsam, which has been beset by two separate developments, which are not being resolved.</p>
<p>The first is a development by a firm called Morris Homes, who have failed to complete the road network around the estate to an adoptable standard. They've failed to complete an access road for emergency vehicles, and they've failed to deal with the drainage and street lighting systems across the estate. There may be a level of forgiveness if this were a recent development, but this development took place 20 years ago, Cabinet Minister, and they're now refusing to come to the table to discuss how this would be resolved in a timely manner. Secondly, in the same village, in Brookfield Close, developed by Primesave Properties, residents have concerns about the maintenance of their access roads, and residents have not received necessary essential documentation to manage the estate.</p>
<p>And here's a theme taking place. We all want good developments to take place. We all want good new houses to be built, but we also need to ensure that developers are following the existing planning rules, regulations, and obligations placed on them. So, Cabinet Minister, what assurances can you give to the people of Penley that the Welsh Government will ensure developers are held to account and will fulfil their obligations to residents? And what powers can be used or could be developed to ensure those obligations are being met? Thank you.</p>
<p>Diolch am eich ymateb, Weinidog Cabinet. Hoffwn roi enghraifft i chi o broblem yn fy etholaeth fy hun lle mae'n ymddangos bod diffyg cydymffurfiaeth go iawn â rheoliadau, ac yn enwedig yn Llannerch Banna, sef pentref bach yn ardal Fflint Wrecsam, sydd wedi wynebu problemau gyda dau ddatblygiad ar wahân, nad ydynt yn cael eu datrys.</p>
<p>Y cyntaf yw datblygiad gan gwmni o'r enw Morris Homes, sydd wedi methu cwblhau'r rhwydwaith ffyrdd o amgylch yr ystad i safon mabwysiadu. Maent wedi methu cwblhau ffordd fynediad ar gyfer cerbydau argyfwng, ac maent wedi methu delio â'r systemau draenio a goleuadau stryd ar draws yr ystad. Nawr, efallai y gellid maddau rhywfaint o hyn pe bai’n ddatblygiad diweddar, ond digwyddodd y datblygiad hwn 20 mlynedd yn ôl, Weinidog Cabinet, ac maent bellach yn gwrthod dod i drafod sut y gellid datrys hyn mewn modd amserol. Yn ail, yn yr un pentref, yn Brookfield Close, a ddatblygwyd gan Primesave Properties, mae gan breswylwyr bryderon ynghylch cynnal a chadw eu ffyrdd mynediad, ac nid yw'r preswylwyr wedi cael dogfennau hanfodol sydd eu hangen i reoli'r ystad.</p>
<p>Ac mae patrwm amlwg yma. Rydym i gyd eisiau gweld datblygiadau da’n digwydd. Rydym i gyd eisiau gweld tai newydd o safon yn cael eu hadeiladu, ond mae angen sicrhau hefyd fod datblygwyr yn dilyn y rheolau cynllunio presennol, y rheoliadau a'r rhwymedigaethau a osodir arnynt. Felly, Weinidog Cabinet, pa sicrwydd y gallwch chi ei roi i bobl Llannerch Banna y bydd Llywodraeth Cymru yn sicrhau bod datblygwyr yn cael eu dwyn i gyfrif ac y byddant yn cyflawni eu rhwymedigaethau i breswylwyr? A pha bwerau y gellir eu defnyddio, neu y gellid eu datblygu, i sicrhau bod y rhwymedigaethau hynny'n cael eu cyflawni? Diolch.</p>
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<p>Diolch yn fawr, a diolch am ddod â phryderon y trigolion lleol i'n sylw ni yn y Senedd y prynhawn yma. Dwi yn disgwyl i bob awdurdod cynllunio yng Nghymru gymhwyso cyfraith gynllunio a pholisi cynllunio cenedlaethol yn deg, yn gadarn, ac yn gyson, tra'n cydnabod, wrth gwrs, fod yn rhaid i benderfyniadau cynllunio unigol adlewyrchu amgylchiadau penodol pob achos.</p>
<p>Mae gan awdurdodau cynllunio gyfrifoldeb am fonitro datblygiad a phenderfynu a yw camau gorfodol yn briodol lle nad ydy'r datblygiad wedi cael ei wneud yn unol â chaniatâd cynllunio. Pan fo gofynion penodol, sy'n cael eu sicrhau drwy amodau cynllunio neu rwymedigaethau cynllunio, ddim yn cael eu cyflawni, mae gan awdurdodau cynllunio bwerau amrywiol ar gael iddyn nhw i fynd i'r afael â hynny, lle bo hynny'n briodol.</p>
<p>Y system gynllunio roeddwn i'n sôn amdani'n fanna. Mae'r materion eraill rydych chi'n sôn amdanyn nhw, fel mabwysiadu ffyrdd neu faterion draenio, yn faterion i gyfundrefn statudol wahanol, ac felly mae'n bwysig i ni wahaniaethu rhwng y gwahanol elfennau yma lle mae yna bryderon yn eu cylch nhw ar y stad benodol yma. Ac mae o'n fater i'r awdurdod lleol ystyried beth ydy'r trefniadau cyfreithiol sy'n berthnasol i'r achos rydych chi'n sôn amdano fo.</p>
<p>Thank you very much, and thank you for bringing the concerns of local residents to our attention this afternoon. I do expect every planning authority in Wales to apply planning law and national planning policy in a fair manner, robustly and consistently, while also acknowledging, of course, that individual planning decisions have to reflect the individual circumstances of each case.</p>
<p>Planning authorities have a responsibility for monitoring development and deciding on whether enforcement action is appropriate where the development has not been made in accordance with planning permission. When specific requirements, secured through planning conditions or planning obligations, are not being delivered, planning authorities have various powers available to them to address any non-adherence, where appropriate.</p>
<p>I was talking there about the planning system. The other issues that you've mentioned, such as adopting roads or drainage issues, are issues for a different statutory regime, so it is important for us to differentiate between these different elements where there are concerns on this specific estate. And it's a matter for the local authority to consider the legal arrangements that are relevant to the specific case you mentioned.</p>
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<p>Consistency must also mean that people living in different parts of Wales receive the same level of protection. I want to thank you, Minister, for the work you've done already on building safety, and I want to highlight growing concerns around PAS 9980 and the idea of tolerable risk assessments to sign off buildings without removing underlying fire safety defects.</p>
<p>I'm wondering what assurances you could give so that Welsh planning and building safety requirements will not allow developers to escape responsibility for original construction failures, because Taylor Wimpey has recently told a constituent of mine that they will fund fire safety remediation works necessary to bring their buildings to a tolerable standard in accordance with PAS 9980. Could you rule out allowing a building to be considered safely remediated simply because a fire risk assessment deems its remaining defects tolerable?</p>
<p>Rhaid i gysondeb olygu hefyd fod pobl sy'n byw mewn gwahanol rannau o Gymru yn derbyn yr un lefel o ddiogelwch. Hoffwn ddiolch i chi, Weinidog, am y gwaith rydych chi eisoes wedi'i wneud ar ddiogelwch adeiladau, a hoffwn dynnu sylw at bryderon cynyddol ynghylch PAS 9980 a'r syniad o asesiadau risg oddefadwy i gymeradwyo adeiladau heb fynd i'r afael â diffygion diogelwch tân sylfaenol.</p>
<p>Tybed pa sicrwydd y gallech chi ei roi fel na fydd gofynion cynllunio a diogelwch adeiladau Cymru yn caniatáu i ddatblygwyr ddianc rhag cyfrifoldeb am fethiannau yn y gwaith adeiladu gwreiddiol, gan fod Taylor Wimpey wedi dweud wrth un o'm hetholwyr yn ddiweddar y byddant yn ariannu gwaith adfer diogelwch tân sy'n angenrheidiol i ddod â'u hadeiladau i safon oddefadwy yn unol â PAS 9980. A allech chi roi diwedd ar ganiatáu i adeilad gael ei ystyried yn adeilad sydd wedi'i adfer yn ddiogel am fod asesiad risg tân yn ystyried bod y diffygion sy'n weddill yn oddefadwy?</p>
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<p>Diolch am y cwestiwn. Dydw i ddim yn hollol gyfarwydd efo'r union fater yna rydych chi'n sôn amdano fo, y rheol benodol yna, mae'n rhaid i mi gyfaddef. Mi fyddwch chi'n gwybod, ac mi fyddwch chi wedi fy nghlywed i'n dweud droeon yn y Siambr yma, a dwi wedi'i ddweud o yn y pwyllgor yr wythnos diwethaf—dwi yn disgwyl i ddatblygwyr gyflawni'r hyn y maen nhw wedi addo ei wneud drwy arwyddo'r cytundeb datblygwyr efo Llywodraeth Cymru.</p>
<p>Mi fyddaf yn gofyn i swyddogion am adroddiad cynnydd ar hyn. Maen nhw'n monitro'r sefyllfa, maen nhw'n trafod efo'r datblygwyr yn aml iawn, iawn, ac mae'r cynnydd yn rhy araf. A dwi wedi dweud, os nad ydy'r cynnydd yn ddigonol erbyn diwedd y flwyddyn yma, yna yn y flwyddyn nesaf, yn fuan yn ystod y tymor Seneddol nesaf, mi fyddaf i'n dod at sylw y Senedd yma, fel y mae'n ddyletswydd arnaf i'w wneud, y datblygwyr hynny fydd ddim wedi cyrraedd at y nod rydym ni fel Llywodraeth wedi ei osod iddyn nhw, sef bod gwaith yn dechrau ar adeiladau, ar bob datblygiad, cyn diwedd y flwyddyn yma. Os nad ydyn nhw'n cyrraedd y pwynt yna, does gen i ddim dewis ond dod yma ar ran etholwyr i ddechrau enwi'r datblygwyr hynny.</p>
<p>Thank you very much for that question. I'm not entirely familiar with that exact issue that you raised, that particular rule, I have to admit. You will be aware, and you will have heard me say numerous times in this Chamber, and I said it in committee last week, that I expect developers to deliver what they have promised by signing the developers' contract with the Welsh Government.</p>
<p>I will ask officials for a progress report on this. They are monitoring the situation and are having discussions with developers on a very regular basis, and the progress is too slow. And I have said, if progress is not adequate by the end of this year, then next year, early in the next Senedd term, I will bring to the attention of the Senedd, as I am duty-bound to do, the names of those developers that haven't reached the targets that we as a Government have set for them, namely that work should commence on every building and development by the end of this year. If they don't get to that point, then I have no option but to come here on behalf of constituents and start to name those developers.</p>
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<p>5. A wnaiff y Gweinidog Cabinet roi'r wybodaeth ddiweddaraf am gynlluniau Llywodraeth Cymru i roi diwedd ar droi tenantiaid allan heb fai? OQ64888</p>
<p>5. Will the Cabinet Minister provide an update on the Welsh Government’s plans to end no-fault evictions? OQ64888</p>
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<p>Diolch. Mae rhoi mwy o hyder, diogelwch a chysur i rentwyr yn eu cartrefi yn flaenoriaeth i'r Llywodraeth yma. Mi fyddwn ni’n cyflawni newid parhaol drwy raglen o ddiwygio deddfwriaethol, sy'n dechrau drwy fynd i'r afael â landlordiaid gwael, a diogelu tenantiaid, cyn edrych ar gyfyngu ar droi allan heb fai a gwneud costau rhentu yn fwy fforddiadwy.</p>
<p>Thank you. Giving renters greater confidence, security and comfort in their homes is a priority for this Government. We will deliver lasting change through a programme of legislative reform, which starts by tackling poor landlords, and protecting tenants, before looking to limit no-fault eviction and make the cost of renting more affordable.</p>
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<p>Diolch. No-fault evictions can and do have devastating impacts on families, leaving parents facing the fear of losing their home and the distress of potentially being uprooted from their communities and schools. </p>
<p>I've spoken with households who've been advised by local councils to remain in their homes until bailiffs arrive, or face losing their housing duty. Too often, this is with very little communication or reassurance about what happens next. In one case specifically, a family was not offered temporary accommodation until the very day of eviction. As a mother myself, I cannot begin to imagine the fear and anxiety this must cause. </p>
<p>Could the Minister assess and explore what additional support could be introduced to protect families facing the threat of losing their homes?</p>
<p>Diolch. Mae troi allan heb fai yn gallu cael ac yn cael effeithiau dinistriol ar deuluoedd, gan adael rhieni'n wynebu'r ofn o golli eu cartref a'r gofid o gael eu dadwreiddio o'u cymunedau a'u hysgolion.</p>
<p>Rwyf wedi siarad ag aelwydydd sydd wedi cael cyngor gan gynghorau lleol i aros yn eu cartrefi tan y daw'r beilïaid, neu wynebu colli eu hawl i dai. Yn rhy aml, mae hyn yn digwydd heb fawr ddim cyfathrebu na sicrwydd ynghylch beth sy'n digwydd nesaf. Mewn un achos penodol, ni chynigiwyd llety dros dro i deulu tan y diwrnod y cawsant eu troi allan. Fel mam fy hun, ni allaf ddechrau dychmygu'r ofn a'r pryder y mae hyn yn anorfod yn ei achosi.</p>
<p>A wnaiff y Gweinidog asesu ac archwilio pa gymorth ychwanegol y gellid ei ddarparu i ddiogelu teuluoedd sy'n wynebu'r bygythiad o golli eu cartrefi?</p>
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<p>Diolch yn fawr. Mae sefyllfaoedd fel hyn yn gyffredin, yn fwy cyffredin, oherwydd yr argyfwng costau byw, ac mae o’n fy mhryderu i’n fawr fod teuluoedd yn wynebu’r math yna o sefyllfa. Dyna pam roedd datganiad deddfwriaethol y Prif Weinidog ar 14 Gorffennaf yn nodi’n huchelgais ni fel Llywodraeth i fynd i’r afael ac i warchod rhentwyr, i sicrhau bod teuluoedd yn cael gwell chwarae teg.</p>
<p>Felly, mi fydd yna gyfres o Filiau. Bydd y Bil rhentwyr cyntaf yn canolbwyntio ar fynd i’r afael â landlordiaid gwael, cryfhau amddiffyn i denantiaid, ac yn ei gwneud hi’n ofynnol i rannu data sy’n ymwneud â rhentu. Mi fydd hyn, wedyn, yn gosod sylfeini cadarn ar gyfer ail Fil rhentwyr yn nes ymlaen yn nhymor y Llywodraeth yma, ac mi fydd hwnna yn ceisio mynd i’r afael ag achosion o droi allan heb fai, a chyfyngu ar hynny. Ac mi fydd yr ail Fil yna yn cael ei fwydo gan y dystiolaeth a fydd wedi dod drwodd yn y Bil cyntaf.</p>
<p>Mi fydd yn rhaid inni gael cefnogaeth pleidiau eraill yn y Senedd yma i ni fynd a bwrw ymlaen yn y cyfeiriad yna, ond dwi’n mawr obeithio y byddwn ni’n cyrraedd at hynny yn y blynyddoedd nesaf. </p>
<p>Thank you very much. Situations like this are more common because of the cost-of-living crisis, and it's a huge concern of mine that families are facing that kind of scenario. That is why the First Minister's legislative statement on 14 July set out our ambition as a Government to tackle and to protect renters, in order to ensure that families are treated more fairly.</p>
<p>So, there will be a series of Bills. The first renters Bill will tackle poor landlords, will strengthen protection for tenants, and make it a requirement to share data related to renting. This will then lay firm foundations for a second renters Bill later on in this Government's term, and that will seek to deal with cases of no-fault evictions, in order to limit them. And the second Bill will then be fed by the evidence that will have come through in the first Bill. </p>
<p>We will need the support of other parties in this Senedd in order to proceed in that direction, but I very much hope that we will reach that point in the coming years. </p>
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<p>6. Pa gamau y mae'r Llywodraeth yn eu cymryd i gynyddu'r ddarpariaeth dai yng nghanol trefi? OQ64886</p>
<p>6. What steps is the Government taking to increase housing provision in town centres? OQ64886</p>
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<p>Diolch yn fawr. Dwi eisiau gweld mwy o bobl yn byw yng nghanol ein trefi ni ac yn galw'r gofodau yng nghanol ein trefi ni yn gartref. Dyna ydy'r uchelgais efo'r cyllid adfywio a thai—i ddarparu cartrefi newydd ac ailddefnyddio eiddo gwag ledled Cymru, gan gynnwys yng nghanol ein trefi ni. Ond dwi eisiau mynd ymhellach, ac mae ein tasglu canol trefi ni yn archwilio cyfleoedd i greu mwy o gartrefi yng nghanol trefi, a ffyrdd o oresgyn y rhwystrau.</p>
<p>Thank you very much. I want more people living in our town centres and calling those spaces home. That's the ambition with regeneration and housing funding—to deliver new homes and bring empty properties back into use across Wales, including in our town centres. But I want to go further, and our town-centre taskforce is exploring opportunities to create more homes in town centres, and ways to overcome the barriers.</p>
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<p>Diolch, Weinidog. Vacancy rates are a big issue across Wales, not just on the Reform seats here, who have not bothered to turn up, but especially in our town centres, where people have Reform Members representing them, but not here in the Senedd today.</p>
<p>It's clear to see this in the towns across Sir Fynwy Torfaen. We all want to see our high streets thrive again, and housing, including social housing, has a big part to play here, because housing more people in town centres will bring them closer to the shops, they will build communities, and will help to bring down anti-social behaviour. </p>
<p>This is much needed in my home town of Pontypool. A Pontypool landlord recently told me that vandalism and planning red tape are two of the main reasons he was struggling to develop housing above shops. And bringing down vacancy rates will, in turn, help to curb that vandalism.</p>
<p>So, how will you work with the town-centre taskforce, and with landlords, to assess the barriers to progress on housing in our town centres? Diolch yn fawr. </p>
<p>Diolch, Weinidog. Mae mannau gwag yn broblem fawr ledled Cymru, nid yn unig ar seddi Reform, nad ydynt wedi trafferthu dangos eu hwynebau, ond yn enwedig yng nghanol ein trefi, lle mae gan bobl Aelodau Reform yn eu cynrychioli, ond nid yma yn y Senedd heddiw.</p>
<p>Mae hyn yn amlwg yn y trefi ar draws Sir Fynwy Torfaen. Mae pob un ohonom eisiau gweld ein strydoedd mawr yn ffynnu unwaith eto, ac mae gan dai, gan gynnwys tai cymdeithasol, ran fawr i'w chwarae yma, gan y bydd cartrefu mwy o bobl yng nghanol ein trefi yn dod â nhw'n agosach at y siopau, byddant yn adeiladu cymunedau, ac yn helpu i leihau ymddygiad gwrthgymdeithasol.</p>
<p>Mae gwir angen hyn yn fy nhref i, Pont-y-pŵl. Dywedodd landlord o Bont-y-pŵl wrthyf yn ddiweddar mai fandaliaeth a biwrocratiaeth cynllunio yw dau o'r prif resymau pam ei fod yn ei chael hi'n anodd datblygu tai uwchben siopau. A bydd lleihau nifer yr eiddo gwag, yn ei dro, yn helpu i atal y fandaliaeth honno.</p>
<p>Felly, sut y byddwch chi'n gweithio gyda'r tasglu canol trefi, a chyda landlordiaid, i asesu'r rhwystrau i gynnydd o ran tai yng nghanol ein trefi? Diolch yn fawr.</p>
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<p>Diolch yn fawr. A dwi yn cytuno bod gan dai cymdeithasol y gallu i chwarae rhan bwysig wrth adfywio canol trefi, a ddim jest tai cymdeithasol, ond tai o bob math. Maen nhw’n gallu helpu i ddod ag adeiladau gwag a mannau uwchben siopau yn ôl i ddefnydd, ac i ddarparu cartrefi sydd mawr eu hangen. So, maen nhw'n gwneud dau neu dri pheth ar unwaith. Maen nhw'n gallu cefnogi busnesau lleol a helpu i wneud ein prif strydoedd ni'n fwy bywiog.</p>
<p>Dwi yn falch, felly, fod y Pwyllgor Llywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio yn gwneud ymchwiliad ar eiddo gwag, a dwi'n edrych ymlaen at weld eu hargymhellion nhw, i weld beth yn fwy y gall y Llywodraeth ei wneud, pa bwerau eraill sydd eu hangen arnom ni, neu beth sydd o fewn ein gallu ni ar hyn o bryd i wthio'r agenda yma ymlaen, fel ein bod ni'n gweld mwy o hyn yn digwydd.</p>
<p>Mae fandaliaeth yn rhan o pam y buasai rhywun eisiau symud i'r cyfeiriad yma. Mae eiddo gwag yn tueddu i ddenu fandaliaeth, ac mae'n beth blêr ar y stryd fawr hefyd, onid ydy? Mi fydd y tasglu yn derbyn tystiolaeth benodol ynglŷn â'r mater penodol yna, ac mae'r heddlu hefyd yn mynd i fod yn rhoi eu mewnbwn nhw i waith y tasglu.</p>
<p>Thank you very much. And I do agree that social housing has the ability to play an important role in regenerating town centres, not just social housing, but all kinds of housing. They can help to bring empty properties and spaces above shops back into use, and to develop the homes that are much needed. So, they do two or three things at once. They can support local businesses and help to make our high streets more prosperous.</p>
<p>I am, therefore, pleased that the Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee is undertaking an inquiry on empty properties, and I'm looking forward to seeing their recommendations, to see what more the Government can do, what other powers are needed, or what is within our capability at present to push this agenda forward, so that we can see more of this happening.</p>
<p>Vandalism is a part of why someone would want to move in this direction. Empty properties tend to attract vandalism, and it is something that's very untidy on our high streets as well, isn't it? The taskforce will be taking specific evidence on that specific issue, and the police will also be providing some input into the work of that taskforce.</p>
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<p>Gweinidog, last week I had the pleasure of meeting with Beacon Cymru. They showed me around one of their flagship projects of regeneration in Tonypandy. It was the Somerfield store when I was a child, and I'm pleased to say that they've kept the iconic ramp as an homage to its former life. This was a real shining example of what can be done with town-centre regeneration. We happened to be there when a class had just left, where 4D Academy were training young pupils about basic construction skills and measuring. We could see their work on the boards there. What more can we do to make sure that this best practice is being shared across Cymru, because I think this is a real shining example?</p>
<p>Weinidog, yr wythnos diwethaf, cefais y pleser o gyfarfod â Beacon Cymru. Fe wnaethant ddangos un o'u prosiectau adfywio blaenllaw yn Nhonypandy i mi. Roedd yn arfer bod yn siop Somerfield pan oeddwn yn blentyn, ac rwy'n falch o ddweud eu bod wedi cadw'r ramp eiconig fel teyrnged i fywyd blaenorol yr adeilad. Roedd yn enghraifft wych o'r hyn y gellir ei wneud wrth adfywio canol trefi. Roeddem yn digwydd bod yno pan oedd dosbarth newydd adael, lle roedd 4D Academy yn hyfforddi disgyblion ifanc am sgiliau adeiladu a mesur sylfaenol. Gallem weld eu gwaith ar y byrddau yno. Beth arall y gallwn ei wneud i sicrhau bod yr arferion gorau hyn yn cael eu rhannu ledled Cymru, gan y credaf fod hon yn enghraifft wych?</p>
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<p>Diolch yn fawr iawn am sôn am yr esiampl wych yna ac am y ffordd y mae pobl leol yn gallu gwella'u sgiliau—sgiliau adeiladu, a sgiliau eraill hefyd, mae'n siŵr—yn sgil y prosiect yma. Mi rydw i'n ymwybodol ein bod ni angen bod yn datblygu sgiliau'r gweithlu lawer iawn mwy nag yr ydym ni ar hyn o bryd. Mae angen cael mwy o weithwyr i mewn i'r diwydiant adeiladu.</p>
<p>Mae yna nifer o gamau yn cael eu cymryd ar hyn o bryd gan y Llywodraeth, yn cynnwys prentisiaethau lefel 2 newydd mewn sgiliau crefft, peilot meicro-gymwysterau, prentisiaeth gan Medr, a <em>vocational CSEs</em> newydd yn cael eu cyflwyno y flwyddyn nesaf. Felly, mae yna waith yn digwydd i geisio cynyddu maint y gweithlu, ond, yn sicr, mae yna fwy o lawer y gallem ni fod yn ei wneud, ac mae prosiectau fel yr un dŷch chi wedi cyfeirio ato fo—. Unwaith eto, mae'r gwaith o adfywio canol trefi yn gallu gwneud llawer iawn mwy nag efallai beth fyddai rhywun yn ei feddwl i ddechrau. Mae yna gymaint o fanteision o fod y Llywodraeth yma yn caniatáu i ni ddatblygu'n gweledigaeth ni ar gyfer canol ein trefi. Felly, diolch am yr enghraifft yna.</p>
<p>Thank you very much for talking about that excellent example and about the way in which local people can improve their skills—their construction skills, and other skills, I'm sure—because of a project like this. I'm aware that we do need to develop workforce skills much more than we are at present. We need to get more workers into the construction industry.</p>
<p>Several actions are being taken by the Government at present, including new level 2 apprenticeships in trade skills, a micro-qualifications pilot, a Medr apprenticeship, and new vocational CSEs as well that are being introduced next year. So, there is work going on to try to increase the size of the workforce, but, certainly, there is a lot more that we could be doing, and projects like the one that you've made reference to—. Again, the town-centre regeneration work can do a lot more than a person might think initially. There are so many advantages in the way that this Government can be allowed to develop our vision for the regeneration of town centres. So, thank you for that example.</p>
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<p>7. Pa drafodaethau y mae Llywodraeth Cymru wedi'u cael gyda Llywodraeth y DU ynghylch rhewi'r lwfans tai lleol? OQ64905</p>
<p>7. What discussions has the Welsh Government had with the UK Government on the local housing allowance freeze? OQ64905</p>
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<p>Mae'r penderfyniad i barhau i rewi cyfraddau'r lwfans tai lleol yn ergyd greulon i rentwyr incwm isel yng Nghymru. Dŷn ni wedi bod yn galw dro ar ôl tro fel Llywodraeth—y Gweinidog Cabinet dros Gyllid, y Dirprwy Brif Weinidog a minnau—ar Lywodraeth y Deyrnas Unedig i godi'r lwfans tai lleol fel ei fod o'n adlewyrchu gwir gost rhentu. Mae'r diffyg gweithredu gan Lywodraeth y Deyrnas Unedig yn golygu y bydd rhentwyr incwm isel yn wynebu caledi ariannol sylweddol ac ansicrwydd mawr.</p>
<p>The ongoing freeze of local housing allowance rates is a cruel blow to low-income renters in Wales. We have repeatedly called as a Government—the Cabinet Minister for Finance, the Deputy First Minister and myself—on the UK Government to increase the local housing allowance so that it reflects the true cost of renting. The inaction from the UK Government means that low-income renters will face significant financial hardship and housing insecurity.</p>
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<p>I agree. When housing benefits don't automatically rise in line with private rentals, a freeze can mean that the maximum amount of support a household can claim stays the same year on year. Today, only 0.7 per cent of homes in Wales would be affordable for people to move into if they were reliant on housing benefits. This growing gap between private rental costs and housing benefits caused by the UK Government deciding to continue freezing local housing allowance is leaving low-income households, many of whom are single parents, at greater risk of housing security. This is why it's so important that the Government makes decisions with vulnerable households in mind. Single-parent households can only claim a 25 per cent discount to their council tax, even though their overall household's income will be likely 50 per cent less. That decision to pause the council tax re-evaluation until 2032 potentially leaves these vulnerable households at greater risk of financial hardship. I'd like to ask what continued cross-portfolio discussions the Cabinet Minister has had with the Cabinet Minister for Finance and the Cabinet Minister for social justice to support vulnerable households to prevent them from being pushed into poverty.</p>
<p>Rwy'n cytuno. Pan nad yw budd-daliadau tai yn codi'n awtomatig yn unol â rhenti preifat, gall rhewi olygu bod y lefel uchaf o gymorth y gall aelwyd ei hawlio yn aros yr un fath flwyddyn ar ôl blwyddyn. Heddiw, dim ond 0.7 y cant o gartrefi yng Nghymru a fyddai'n fforddiadwy i bobl symud iddynt os ydynt yn dibynnu ar fudd-daliadau tai. Mae'r bwlch cynyddol hwn rhwng costau rhentu preifat a budd-daliadau tai a achosir gan benderfyniad Llywodraeth y DU i barhau i rewi'r lwfans tai lleol yn gadael aelwydydd incwm isel, y mae llawer ohonynt yn rhieni sengl, mewn mwy o berygl o ran diogelwch tai. Dyma pam ei bod mor bwysig fod y Llywodraeth yn gwneud penderfyniadau gydag aelwydydd agored i niwed mewn golwg. Dim ond gostyngiad o 25 y cant y gall aelwydydd rhiant sengl ei hawlio ar eu treth gyngor, er y bydd incwm cyffredinol eu haelwyd yn debygol o fod 50 y cant yn is. Gallai'r penderfyniad i oedi ailasesu'r dreth gyngor tan 2032 adael yr aelwydydd agored i niwed hyn mewn mwy o berygl o galedi ariannol. Hoffwn ofyn pa drafodaethau trawsbortffolio parhaus y mae'r Gweinidog Cabinet wedi'u cael gyda'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Gyllid a'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros gyfiawnder cymdeithasol i gefnogi aelwydydd agored i niwed er mwyn eu hatal rhag cael eu gwthio i dlodi.</p>
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<p>Diolch yn fawr. Mi fyddwch chi'n ymwybodol bod y Dirprwy Brif Weinidog wedi gwneud datganiad ddoe ar gynlluniau i roi cefnogaeth i bobl oherwydd yr argyfwng costau byw. Ond dwi'n hynod o siomedig nad ydyn ni'n gallu cymryd mantais o newidiadau i'r lwfans tai lleol, a fyddai wedi gallu arbed llawer o deuluoedd rhag mynd i mewn i dlodi yn y lle cyntaf a rhag wynebu digartrefedd.</p>
<p>Dim ond ddwywaith mae Llywodraeth y Deyrnas Unedig wedi cynyddu'r lwfans tai lleol, gan roi pwysau cynyddol ar aelwydydd yn y sector rhentu preifat. Mi fyddai adfer y lwfans i dalu am y 30 y cant isaf yn rhenti'r farchnad yn lleihau'r pwysau ar unwaith yn y tymor byr. Rydyn ni eisiau eu gweld nhw'n mynd ymhellach na hynny, ond byddai hynny'n ddechrau. Rydyn ni wedi bod yn galw'n gyson am addewid tymor hir i adfer y lwfans i dalu hyd at yr hanfed canfed, y <em>fiftieth percentile</em>, gan sicrhau bod y cymorth yn adlewyrchu gwir gost tai yn well ac yn amddiffyn teuluoedd yn well. Mae gan y sector rhentu preifat rôl bwysig yma yng Nghymru, gan gynnwys i deuluoedd sydd ddim yn gallu cael tŷ cymdeithasol na phrynu eu cartref eu hunain. Felly, mae'r lwfans yn bwysig i wneud cartrefi'n fforddiadwy. Mae'r lwfans yn achosi caledi i deuluoedd.</p>
<p>Lywydd, os gwnewch chi ganiatáu i mi fod dipyn bach yn wleidyddol, efallai, dwi'n meddwl bod y ffaith fod Prif Weinidog y Deyrnas Unedig a'r Canghellor, yn ystod eu haraith ar y gyllideb, wedi sôn am y <em>moral mission</em> i leihau digartrefedd—. Gwych, cytuno yn llwyr efo hynny, ond dyma un o'r ffyrdd sydd ar agor iddyn nhw a fyddai'n gwneud gwahaniaeth anferthol i gymaint o deuluoedd sydd yn cael eu dal mewn tlodi ac sydd yn wynebu digartrefedd oherwydd bod eu costau rhent nhw wedi cynyddu gymaint.</p>
<p>Thank you very much. You will be aware that the Deputy First Minister did make a statement yesterday on plans to provide support to people because of the cost-of-living crisis. But I am extremely disappointed that we are unable to take advantage of changes to the local housing allowance, which could have prevented a number of families from falling into poverty in the first instance and from facing homelessness.</p>
<p>The UK Government has only increased the housing allowance twice, placing increased pressures on households in the private rental sector. Restoring the allowance to pay for the lowest 30 per cent of market rents would reduce the pressure immediately in the short term. We want to see them go further, but that would be a start. We have regularly called for a long-term pledge to restore the allowance to pay up to the fiftieth percentile, ensuring that support does reflect the real cost of housing more accurately and protects families more effectively. The private rental sector has an important role to play here in Wales, including for families who can't access social housing or buy their own home. Therefore, the allowance is important in order to make homes affordable. The allowance is causing hardship for families.</p>
<p>Llywydd, if you will allow me to be a little political at this point, I do think that the fact that the UK Prime Minister and Chancellor, during the budget speeches, talked about a moral mission to reduce homelessness—. Well, that's wonderful, I agree entirely with that, but this is one of the ways open to them that would make a huge difference to so many families who are trapped in poverty and are facing homelessness because their rental costs have increased so much.</p>
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<p>Prynhawn da, Weinidog. Rydych chi wedi ateb beth roeddwn i am ofyn, ond jyst pwynt arall, os yw hynny'n iawn. Diolch am yr ymateb, a diolch hefyd i Sarah am godi'r mater yma. Dwi'n cefnogi yn hollol eich gwaith chi a'ch gweledigaeth hefyd.</p>
<p>Good afternoon, Minister. You've answered what I was about to ask, but just one more point, if I may. Thanks for the response, and I thank Sarah for raising this issue. I do support entirely your work and your vision as well.</p>
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<p>The data is there, isn't it, and so solid. As Sarah says, 0.7 per cent of advertised rentals in Wales are within the reach of people who are on housing benefit. Social lettings are down by around a quarter. We know that there are 10,000 people in temporary accommodation right now, at a cost that Audit Wales puts at £172 million a year, which we are spending heavily on.</p>
<p>Mae'r data yno, onid yw, ac mor gadarn. Fel y dywed Sarah, 0.7 y cant yn unig o'r eiddo rhent a hysbysebir yng Nghymru sydd o fewn cyrraedd pobl sy'n cael budd-dal tai. Mae lefelau gosod tai cymdeithasol wedi gostwng oddeutu chwarter. Gwyddom fod 10,000 o bobl mewn llety dros dro ar hyn o bryd, ar gost o £172 miliwn y flwyddyn yn ôl Archwilio Cymru, ac rydym yn gwario'n helaeth ar hynny.</p>
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<p>Dwi'n cytuno'n hollol efo beth rydych chi'n dweud ynglŷn â'r Llywodraeth yn Llundain a'r ffaith eu bod nhw eisiau cael gwared ar ddigartrefedd. Ond beth allwn ni wneud yma yng Nghymru, os gwelwch chi'n dda? Dyna beth oeddwn i eisiau gofyn. Oes yna rywbeth arall y gallwn ni ei wneud? Diolch yn fawr iawn.</p>
<p>I agree entirely with what you said about the Government in London and the fact that they want to tackle homelessness. But what can we do here in Wales? That's what I wanted to ask. Is there anything else that we could do? Thank you.</p>
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<p>Diolch yn fawr, a diolch am ein hatgoffa ni, efo'r ystadegau yna. Mae'n bwysig ein bod ni'n hoelio sylw ar y sefyllfa. Roedd yna gyfle yng nghyllideb ddiweddar y Deyrnas Unedig i unioni ychydig ar hwnna, ond yn anffodus dydyn nhw ddim wedi dewis mynd i lawr y llwybr yna.</p>
<p>O ran beth fedrwn ni wneud, yn benodol o ran rhenti yn y sector breifat, dod â deddfwriaeth i mewn. Dyna pam y gwnes i ateb cwestiwn yn gynharach ynglŷn â'n bwriad ni i ddod â Bil rhentwyr—yr un cyntaf—i mewn, ond wedyn adeiladu ar hwnna, casglu'r data fyddai'n bwydo i mewn i sefyllfa’r lwfans tai lleol, ond yn gwneud pethau eraill hefyd. Byddai'r Bil cyntaf yn gallu caniatáu i ni wneud rhai o'r materion yna, gan symud ymlaen wedyn i ail Fil a fyddai yn gallu dechrau creu rhenti teg ar gyfer y sector breifat.</p>
<p>Rŵan, dwi'n gobeithio cael eich cefnogaeth chi pan ddown ni i'r drafodaeth yna, a chefnogaeth pawb sydd eisiau ein gweld ni fel Llywodraeth yn symud i'r cyfeiriad cywir yna, achos dwi'n meddwl, ar ddiwedd y dydd, rydyn ni i gyd yn gwybod bod rhenti wedi mynd drwy'r to yn aml iawn. Dydy incwm pobl jest ddim yn dal i fyny efo nhw, ac maen nhw'n creu argyfwng gwirioneddol i gymaint o deuluoedd. Felly, mae yna bethau fedrwn ni eu gwneud fel Llywodraeth. Rydyn ni'n gweithio ar rheini, ond mae angen i chi i gyd ddod y tu ôl i'r syniadau sydd wrthi'n cael eu trafod ar hyn o bryd.</p>
<p>Thank you very much, and thank you for reminding us with those statistics. It is important that we do focus on this situation. There was an opportunity in the recent UK budget to actually put that right, or to start to do so, but unfortunately they haven't chosen to go down that particular path.</p>
<p>In terms of what we can do, specifically in terms of rents in the private sector, it would be to introduce legislation. That is why I answered a question earlier about our intention to bring a renters Bill forward—the first—but then to build on that, gathering the data that would feed into the issues around the local housing allowance, but also doing other things too. So, that first Bill would allow us to deal with some of those issues, and then we could proceed to a second Bill that could begin to lead to fair rents in the private sector.</p>
<p>Now, I hope to have your support when we come to that stage, and I hope to have the support of everyone who wants to see us as a Government moving in the right direction in those terms, because I do think that, at the end of the day, we all know that rents have gone through the roof far too often. People's income isn't catching up with them, and this situation creates a real crisis for so many families. So, there are things that we as a Government can do. We are working on those, but you all need to get behind the ideas that are currently being developed.</p>
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<p>Cwestiwn 8, Jason O'Connell—ddim yn bresennol.</p>
<p>Question 8, Jason O'Connell—not present.</p>
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<p>Not present.</p>
<p>Nid yw'n bresennol.</p>
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<p>Ni ofynnwyd cwestiwn 8 [OQ64876].</p>
<p>Question 8 [OQ64876] not asked.</p>
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<p>Cwestiwn 9, Gwyn Williams.</p>
<p>Question 9, Gwyn Williams.</p>
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<p>9. Beth mae'r Gweinidog Cabinet yn ei wneud i integreiddio datblygiadau tai a seilwaith cymdeithasol ehangach? OQ64894</p>
<p>9. What is the Cabinet Minister doing to integrate housing developments and wider social infrastructure? OQ64894</p>
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<p>Mae polisïau cynllunio cenedlaethol, sy'n cael eu nodi yn 'Polisi Cynllunio Cymru', yn seiliedig ar ddull creu lleoedd. Mae seilwaith digonol ac effeithlon, gan gynnwys gwasanaethau fel addysg ac iechyd, yn hanfodol ar gyfer cynaliadwyedd economaidd, cymdeithasol ac amgylcheddol, ac mi ddylai awdurdodau cynllunio, ar y cyd â'r holl ddarparwyr allweddol, gymryd ymagwedd strategol a hirdymor tuag at ddarparu seilwaith fel rhan o lunio cynlluniau.</p>
<p>National planning policies, set out in 'Planning Policy Wales', are based on a placemaking approach. Adequate and efficient infrastructure, including services such as education and health, is crucial for economic, social and environmental sustainability, and planning authorities should, in conjunction with all the key providers, take a strategic and long-term approach towards the provision of infrastructure as part of plan making.</p>
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<p>Diolch yn fawr. Y rheswm dwi'n gofyn yw, yn ddiweddar, dwi a'r tîm yn lleol wedi cynnal cyfarfodydd stryd yng Nghwmrhydyceirw, Pontarddulais a Gorseinon. Mae pryderon wedi cael eu codi gan nifer fawr o drigolion lleol am y cynnydd mewn tai heb gynnydd cyfatebol mewn capasiti ysbytai, meddygon teulu, ysgolion, llyfrgelloedd na ffyrdd mynediad. Mae poblogaeth yr ardal leol yn cynyddu, ond ni all trigolion yn fy etholaeth ond tynnu sylw at y ffaith nad yw'r gwasanaethau a'r strwythur cymorth angenrheidiol ar gyfer cynnydd mewn tai yno eto. Yn sicr, rhaid i ni wneud yn siŵr bod ein cymunedau ledled Cymru yn cael seilwaith a gwasanaethau digonol cyn cynyddu nifer y tai a thrigolion mewn ardal. A fyddai'r Gweinidog yn cytuno gyda mi fod tai yn flaenoriaeth allweddol, ond bod rhaid i ni hefyd gynyddu capasiti seilwaith yr ardal a gwasanaethau lleol i sicrhau nad oes unrhyw fylchau mewn galw er mwyn i fi allu ymateb i drigolion pryderus Gŵyr Abertawe? Diolch yn fawr.</p>
<p>Thank you. Recently, I and my team locally have held street meetings in Cwmrhydyceirw, Pontarddulais and Gorseinon. Concerns have been raised by a large number of local residents about an increase in housing without a corresponding increase in the capacity of hospitals, GP practices, schools, libraries or access roads. The population of the local area is increasing, but residents in my constituency are only highlighting the fact that the services and support structures necessary for an increase in housing are not yet there. Certainly, we must ensure that communities throughout Wales have adequate infrastructure and services before increasing the number of houses and residents in an area. Would the Minister agree with me that housing is a key priority, but that we must also increase the capacity of infrastructure and services to ensure that there are no gaps in demand, so that I can respond to concerned residents in Gŵyr Abertawe? Thank you.</p>
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<p>Dwi'n cytuno, ac mae'r polisi cynllunio yn gosod allan y dylai awdurdodau cynllunio lleol gynllunio a chefnogi y math o seilwaith sydd ei angen i ymateb i anghenion y cymunedau y maen nhw yn eu gwasanaethu a phan fo datblygiadau tai newydd yn cael eu hystyried. Dyna mae'r polisi cynllunio cenedlaethol yn dweud. Mae o'n glir bod angen i ddatblygiad gael ei leoli mewn lle lle mae'n bosib iddo fo un ai ddefnyddio'r seilwaith sydd yna'n barod neu fod yna seilwaith yn cael ei gynllunio ar ei gyfer o. Ac, wrth gwrs, wrth sôn am seilwaith, beth rydyn ni'n golygu ydy ysgolion, ydy ffyrdd, ydy trafnidiaeth gyhoeddus, ydy bob dim mae pobl angen heblaw jest tŷ. Ac felly, mae o'n eithaf clir, achos dydy seilwaith sydd ddim yn addas a ddim yn effeithiol ddim yn mynd i fod yn ymateb i anghenion ein trigolion ni, a dydy o chwaith ddim yn arwain at gynaliadwyedd economaidd, cymdeithasol ac amgylcheddol. Felly, byddwn i'n atgoffa awdurdodau cynllunio, yn gweithio efo'r darparwyr allweddol, i gymryd ymagwedd strategol, hirdymor wrth greu eu cynlluniau, ac i gofio hynny drwy'r amser.</p>
<p>Yes, I agree, and the planning policy does set out that local planning authorities should plan and support the kind of infrastructure that is needed to respond to the needs of the communities that they serve and when new housing developments are under consideration. That's what the national planning policy sets out. It is clear that a development needs to be located in such a place where it is possible for it to make use of existing infrastructure or where additional infrastructure is planned for it. And when we're talking about infrastructure, what we mean is schools, roads, public transport. It's all those things that people need apart from just a house. So, it is quite clear, because inappropriate or ineffective infrastructure is not going to respond to the needs of our residents and neither will it lead to economic, social and environmental sustainability either. So, I would remind planning authorities, working with key providers to take a strategic, long-term approach in drawing up their plans, and to always bear that in mind.</p>
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<p>Eleni, rydyn ni wedi buddsoddi cyfanswm o £150 miliwn yn y gwaith o uwchraddio effeithlonrwydd ynni cartrefi ledled Cymru—£107 miliwn i wella tai cymdeithasol drwy'r rhaglen ôl-osod er mwyn optimeiddio, dros £37 miliwn i helpu aelwydydd incwm isel drwy'r cynllun Nyth, a thros £5 miliwn mewn benthyciadau di-log drwy gynllun Cartrefi Gwyrdd Cymru.</p>
<p>This year, we have invested a total of £150 million in energy efficiency upgrades across Wales—£107 million to improve social housing through the optimised retrofit programme, over £37 million to support low-income households through the Nest scheme, and over £5 million in interest-free loans through the Green Homes Wales scheme.</p>
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<p>Diolch, Weinidog Cabinet. Energy costs remain unaffordable for many households across Wales, and we know that they're going to be increasing as well even more come January. In my constituency of Blaenau Gwent Caerffili Rhymni, I'm really concerned about the poorest households, who are taking on significant debt, deep debt, to heat their homes and cover just essential costs. I really welcome the £130 million in extra support that was announced yesterday by Plaid Cymru, including on energy bills, which will really help households across Blaenau Gwent Caerffili Rhymni, but, of course, alongside this immediate support, we also need to make sure our homes are cheaper to heat and also bring energy bills down for good. So, Cabinet Minister, following the Warm Homes review, how will you scale up this Welsh Government programme to reach more of our poorest households and deliver a lasting reduction in their bills?</p>
<p>Diolch, Weinidog Cabinet. Mae costau ynni'n parhau i fod yn anfforddiadwy i lawer o aelwydydd ledled Cymru, a gwyddom y byddant yn cynyddu hyd yn oed ymhellach ym mis Ionawr. Yn fy etholaeth i, Blaenau Gwent Caerffili Rhymni, rwy'n bryderus iawn am yr aelwydydd tlotaf, sy'n mynd i ddyledion sylweddol, dyledion dwfn, i gynhesu eu cartrefi a thalu costau hanfodol yn unig. Rwy'n croesawu'r £130 miliwn mewn cymorth ychwanegol a gyhoeddwyd ddoe gan Blaid Cymru, gan gynnwys ar filiau ynni, a fydd o gymorth mawr i aelwydydd ledled Blaenau Gwent Caerffili Rhymni, ond wrth gwrs, ochr yn ochr â'r cymorth uniongyrchol hwn, mae angen inni sicrhau hefyd fod ein cartrefi'n rhatach i'w gwresogi yn ogystal â gostwng biliau ynni'n barhaol. Felly, Weinidog Cabinet, yn dilyn yr adolygiad o raglen Cartrefi Clyd, sut y byddwch chi'n ehangu'r rhaglen hon gan Lywodraeth Cymru er mwyn iddi allu cyrraedd mwy o'n haelwydydd tlotaf a sicrhau gostyngiad parhaol yn eu biliau?</p>
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<p>Dwi'n rhannu eich pryder chi ynghylch costau ynni uchel, ac mae cymorth efo biliau'n hanfodol. Rydyn ni wedi ceisio gwneud hynny—rhywfaint o hynny, beth bynnag—efo'r datganiad yr wythnos yma ynglŷn â help costau byw. Ond, dwi'n cytuno efo chi hefyd, fod yn rhaid i ni feddwl yn hirdymor a dod â chamau ataliol i mewn. Mae ein rhaglen lywodraethu ni'n rhoi gwella effeithlonrwydd ynni cartref yn ganolog i'r gwaith rydyn ni eisiau ei wneud.</p>
<p>Yn dilyn yr adolygiad o Gartrefi Clyd, fe wnes i gyhoeddi £17 miliwn ychwanegol ar gyfer uwchraddio effeithlonrwydd ynni cartref yn y flwyddyn ariannol yma, a £5 miliwn yn ychwanegol ar gyfer Nyth, £8 miliwn ar gyfer y rhaglen ôl-osod er mwyn optimeiddio, sy'n cefnogi tai cymdeithasol, i helpu i ddod â'r tai cymdeithasol yna i fyny i safon, ond, yn bwysig, i'w biliau nhw ddod i lawr. Wedyn, rydyn ni hefyd wedi buddsoddi £4 miliwn ar gyfer dulliau gweithredu newydd sy'n seiliedig ar ardaloedd. Dwi'n gobeithio gallu cyhoeddi buddsoddiadau pellach yn fuan.</p>
<p>O ran adolygiad Nyth, mi wnaeth yr adolygiad dynnu sylw at y ffaith bod Nyth yn achubiaeth i lawer o aelwydydd—dyna pam dwi eisiau rhoi mwy o arian ynddo fo—gan arbed dros £590 y flwyddyn ar gyfartaledd, a hefyd, wrth gwrs, wrth wwella iechyd a llesiant, a dwi eisiau gweld y cynllun yma yn parhau.</p>
<p>Mae'r gwaith mae'r peilot yn ei wneud yn edrych ar ehangu rŵan, i ddod â dull gweithredu sydd yn ardal gyfan. Ar hyn o bryd, mae'r tai cymdeithasol yn gallu defnyddio pot o arian ac yn gallu cael eu huwchraddio, ond efallai wedyn, o'u cwmpas nhw, mae yna dai sydd ddim wedi cael buddsoddiad ynddyn nhw. Mae'n rhaid i ni symud i ffwrdd o hwnna. Dwi eisiau gweld ardaloedd cyfan, y tai yna, yn cael eu gwella, fel eu bod nhw'n gwella ansawdd bywyd pobl sydd yn byw ynddyn nhw, yn ychwanegu at helpu efo'r argyfwng costau byw drwy ddod â chost y biliau i lawr, a hefyd, wrth gwrs, yn lleihau allyriadau carbon wrth i bobl fedru symud i ffwrdd oddi wrth nwy ac, yn yr ardaloedd gwledig, i ffwrdd oddi wrth disel ac olew, fel ein bod ni'n trydaneiddio'n system, a hynny wedyn yn arwain at y biliau'n dod i lawr. Dwi'n meddwl efallai ein bod ni'n colli—. Mae yna gymaint o fendithion dros wneud y gwaith yma, ond, mewn argyfwng costau byw, mae hwn yn flaenoriaeth, onid ydy.</p>
<p>I share your concerns about the high cost of energy, and support with bills is vital. We have tried to do some of that with the statement this week about cost-of-living support, but I do agree with you also, in that we have to think in the long term and bring in some preventative steps. Our programme for government does put improving energy efficiency at home at the heart of the work that we want to do.</p>
<p>Following the review of the Warm Homes programme, I announced £17 million in additional funding for upgrading home energy efficiency during this financial year, and £5 million in additional funding for Nest, £8 million for the optimised retrofit programme, which supports social housing, to bring those social homes up to standard, but also, importantly, to help bills to come down. We have also invested £4 million in new area-based approaches, and I hope to announce further investments in due course.</p>
<p>In terms of the review of Nest, it drew attention to the fact that Nest was a great help to many families—that's why I want to invest more in it—saving £590 per year on average, and, of course, improving health and well-being, and I do want to see that scheme continuing.</p>
<p>The work that the pilot scheme is doing looks at expanding to a whole-area approach. At present, social housing can use a pot of money and can be upgraded, but perhaps, around that housing, there are homes that have not received investment, and we need to move away from that. I want to see entire areas, with all of the homes in them, being improved so that the quality of the lives of the people living in them is improved and helps with the cost-of-living crisis by bringing bills down, whilst also reducing carbon emissions as people move away from gas, and, in rural areas, away from diesel and oil, so that we electrify our system, which will lead to a reduction in bills. There are so many benefits to undertaking this work and, in terms of the cost of living, this is a priority.</p>
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<p>Yn olaf, Weinidog Cabinet, cwestiwn 11. Andrew R.T. Davies.</p>
<p>Finally, Cabinet Minister, question 11. Andrew R.T. Davies.</p>
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<p>11. A wnaiff y Gweinidog Cabinet roi'r wybodaeth ddiweddaraf am ei chyfarfod diweddar ar gynllunio gwledig gyda'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Wydnwch Gwledig a Chynaliadwyedd? OQ64898</p>
<p>11. Will the Cabinet Minister provide an update on her recent meeting on rural planning with the Cabinet Minister for Rural Resilience and Sustainability? OQ64898</p>
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<p>Diolch am barhau i fynd ar ôl y mater. Mi ges i gyfarfod cynhyrchiol efo'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Wydnwch Gwledig a Chynaliadwyedd ar 30 Medi. Mi wnaethon ni drafod amrywiaeth o bynciau lle mae ein portffolios ni'n rhyngweithio a lle gallwn ni gefnogi ein gilydd.</p>
<p>Thank you for continuing to pursue this issue. I had a productive meeting with the Cabinet Minister for Rural Resilience and Sustainability on 30 September. We discussed a range of issues where our portfolios interact and where we can support each other.</p>
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<p>The Deputy Presiding Officer (Kerry Ferguson) took the Chair.</p>
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<p>Thank you, Cabinet Minister, for that answer, and I refer Members to my declaration of interests in the Members' register. I asked you this question some weeks ago, at your last ministerial question session, and you said you had a meeting imminently with the rural Minister to discuss this very issue, which I raised with him in committee. I'm just wondering: are you in a position to update the Chamber as to the thinking now that the Government is putting into this particular measure about adopting greater flexibility in permitted development rights for rural properties so that this policy can be taken forward positively? It doesn't cost the Government any money, it would unleash new housing opportunities in the countryside for redundant buildings and it has proven to be successful in other parts of the United Kingdom—I really can't see what's not to like about it. So, are you in a position to update us on whether the Government is taking this forward?</p>
<p>Diolch am eich ateb, Weinidog Cabinet, a chyfeiriaf yr Aelodau at fy natganiad o fuddiannau yn y gofrestr Aelodau. Gofynnais y cwestiwn hwn i chi rai wythnosau'n ôl, yn eich sesiwn gwestiynau ddiwethaf, ac fe ddywedoch chi fod gennych gyfarfod yn fuan â'r Gweinidog dros faterion gwledig i drafod y mater hwn, mater a godais gydag ef mewn pwyllgor. Rwy'n meddwl tybed a ydych chi mewn sefyllfa i roi diweddariad i'r Siambr ynglŷn â'r ystyriaeth y mae'r Llywodraeth yn ei rhoi ar hyn o bryd i'r mesur hwn ynghylch mabwysiadu mwy o hyblygrwydd i hawliau datblygu a ganiateir ar gyfer eiddo gwledig er mwyn gallu symud y polisi hwn yn ei flaen mewn ffordd gadarnhaol? Nid yw'n costio dim i'r Llywodraeth, byddai'n creu cyfleoedd tai newydd yng nghefn gwlad drwy ddefnyddio adeiladau gwag, ac mae wedi profi’n llwyddiannus mewn rhannau eraill o'r Deyrnas Unedig—ni allaf weld unrhyw reswm dros beidio â'i hoffi. Felly, a ydych chi mewn sefyllfa i roi diweddariad i ni ynglŷn ag a yw'r Llywodraeth yn bwrw ymlaen â hyn?</p>
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<p>Diolch yn fawr iawn. Dwi wedi comisiynu adolygiad o anghenion datblygu gwledig ac amaethyddol, gan ganolbwyntio ar sut y gall y system gynllunio gefnogi'r ardaloedd hyn—yn fwy na beth ydych chi'n ofyn amdano fo—i weld beth arall gall y system gynllunio gyfrannu tuag at gynaliadwyedd gwledig. Ond mi fydd yr adolygiad yma'n cynnwys edrych ar ba hawliau datblygu a ganiateir—y <em>permitted development rights</em> yma—a pha rhai o'r rheini sy'n briodol i Gymru. Yn amlwg, rydym ni eisiau gwneud yn siŵr does yna ddim unrhyw broblem yn codi drwy fabwysiadu'r dull yma. Byddwch chi'n gyfarwydd iawn fod yn rhaid i ni gael y dystiolaeth ac yn y blaen at ei gilydd.</p>
<p>Mae'n bolisi cynllunio ni'n cydnabod y gall arallgyfeirio gwledig ac ar ffermydd ddarparu cyfleoedd cyflogaeth newydd, cynyddu ffyniant a lleihau'r angen i deithio, ac mae'n rhaid i awdurdodau cynllunio fabwysiadu dull adeiladol o ran cynigion sy'n ymwneud ag amaethyddiaeth, ac yn enwedig i rai sydd eu hangen i ddilyn arferion ffermio sy'n newid, neu ar gyfer cydymffurfio â deddfwriaeth, ond mae yna le i ni efallai fynd ymhellach. Felly, adolygiad ar y gweill, a dwi'n siŵr y byddwch chi'n gofyn i fi eto'n o fuan am y cynnydd ar yr adolygiad yna. Diolch.</p>
<p>Thank you very much. I have commissioned a review of rural housing and agricultural needs, focusing on how the planning system can support these areas—which is over and above what you're asking about—to see what else the planning system can contribute to rural sustainability. But this review will look at what permitted development rights should or could be appropriate for Wales. Clearly, we want to ensure that there are no problems arising through adopting this approach. You will be very familiar with the fact that we will have to gather the evidence first.</p>
<p>Our planning policy recognises that rural diversification and on-farm diversification can provide new employment opportunities, increase prosperity and reduce the need to travel, and planning authorities have to adopt a constructive approach in terms of proposals related to agriculture, particularly for those that are needed to follow changing farming practices or to comply with legislation, but there is room for us to perhaps go further. So, there is a review in the pipeline and I'm sure you will ask me again quite soon for an update on progress on that review. Thank you.</p>
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<p>Diolch yn fawr iawn i chi, Weinidog Cabinet.</p>
<p>Thank you very much, Cabinet Minister.</p>
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<p>Symudwn ymlaen i eitem 3, cwestiynau amserol. Alun Cox.</p>
<p>We move on to item 3, the topical questions. Alun Cox.</p>
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<p>1. A wnaiff y Gweinidog Cabinet ddatganiad ynglŷn ag ymwelwyr iechyd yn dychwelyd i'r gwaith ym Mwrdd Iechyd Prifysgol Cwm Taf Morgannwg? TQ1514</p>
<p>1. Will the Cabinet Minister make a statement regarding the return to work of health visitors at Cwm Taf Morgannwg University Health Board? TQ1514</p>
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<p>We welcome health visitors returning to work. The priority now is restoring services for families affected by this dispute. I also want to recognise and thank those health visitors who continued to work throughout, helping to maintain essential services and support for children and families during a very difficult period.</p>
<p>Rydym yn croesawu'r ffaith bod ymwelwyr iechyd yn dychwelyd i'r gwaith. Y flaenoriaeth nawr yw adfer gwasanaethau i deuluoedd yr effeithiwyd arnynt gan yr anghydfod hwn. Hefyd, hoffwn gydnabod a diolch i'r ymwelwyr iechyd hynny a barhaodd i weithio drwy'r cyfnod, gan helpu i gynnal gwasanaethau hanfodol a chymorth i blant a theuluoedd ar adeg anodd iawn.</p>
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<p>Diolch, Weinidog. I think we can all agree that the news that health visitors will be back in work soon makes this a good day. And without going full Ron Davies, it is a very good day. Firstly, and most importantly, it's a good day for residents and families in the Cwm Taf Morgannwg area to have their health visitors back doing their crucial work and back in place. We sometimes only get to assess the value of a service by its absence. The families and children supported no doubt will be relieved that the dispute is coming to a close.</p>
<p>It is, of course, a great day for the health visitors themselves. Their perseverance and determination has been a hallmark of a dispute that was years in the making and resulted in months of strikes. Their call for recognition, their exasperation with the board, which started a process and then ended that process, and their belief that, for future generations of health visitors, this recognition is needed, has to be commended. That sustained them through the long months of this dispute. I congratulate Unite and the way in which their representatives have made clear to me their demands and their understanding of the situation. The lesson for workers everywhere is, of course, that collective action through recognised trade unions can and does pay dividends.</p>
<p>Diolch, Weinidog. Rwy'n credu y gallwn oll gytuno bod y newyddion y bydd ymwelwyr iechyd yn dychwelyd i'r gwaith yn fuan yn gwneud hwn yn ddiwrnod da. A heb ailadrodd Ron Davies yn llawn, mae'n ddiwrnod da iawn. Yn gyntaf, ac yn bwysicaf oll, mae'n ddiwrnod da i drigolion a theuluoedd yn ardal Cwm Taf Morgannwg i gael eu hymwelwyr iechyd yn ôl yn gwneud eu gwaith hollbwysig ac yn ôl yn eu swyddi. Weithiau, dim ond drwy absenoldeb gwasanaeth y gallwn werthfawrogi ei bwysigrwydd. Heb os, bydd y teuluoedd a'r plant sy'n cael eu cefnogi yn falch fod yr anghydfod hwn yn dod i ben.</p>
<p>Mae'n sicr yn ddiwrnod gwych i'r ymwelwyr iechyd eu hunain. Mae eu dyfalbarhad a'u penderfyniad wedi bod yn nodwedd amlwg o anghydfod a fu'n datblygu ers blynyddoedd ac a arweiniodd at fisoedd o streiciau. Rhaid canmol eu galwad am gydnabyddiaeth, eu rhwystredigaeth gyda'r bwrdd, a ddechreuodd broses ac a roddodd ddiwedd ar y broses honno, a'u cred fod angen y gydnabyddiaeth honno er budd cenedlaethau'r dyfodol o ymwelwyr iechyd. Dyna a'u cynhaliodd trwy fisoedd hir yr anghydfod hwn. Hoffwn longyfarch Unite, a'r ffordd y mae eu cynrychiolwyr wedi egluro wrthyf beth oedd eu gofynion a'u dealltwriaeth o'r sefyllfa. Y wers i weithwyr ym mhobman, wrth gwrs, yw y gall gweithredu ar y cyd trwy undebau llafur cydnabyddedig dalu ar ei ganfed.</p>
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<p>Gaf i hefyd ddiolch a llongyfarch fy nghyd-Aelodau ar y meinciau yma? Rydym wedi bod yn gadarn yn ein hymrwymiad i'r ymwelwyr iechyd cyn ac ar ôl yr etholiad. Mae'n bosib bod rhai ohonom, yn ein naïfrwydd, wedi meddwl bod hwn yn gallu cael ei sortio mas mewn wythnos, efallai pythefnos, ond nid oedd amser wedi lleddfu ar ein cefnogaeth. Dyfalbarhad oedd ein moto.</p>
<p>May I also thank and congratulate my fellow Members on these benches? We have been robust in our commitment to the health visitors before and after the election. It is possible that some of us, in our naivety, had thought that this could be sorted out in a week, maybe a fortnight, but time did not diminish our support. We were determined to carry on.</p>
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<p>Can I also recognise the quiet work of the Minister and his team? Whilst he has been clear that the decision is for the board, he made it abundantly clear regarding his expectation of the board. And I know he used all his convening powers to get us to where we are today. I am sure he will be relieved that this dispute is coming to an end, not only because of the impacts this dispute has had on the service, but also it will now minimise the number of times per week I and others tackle the Minister, bring him to the side, and ask him whether there is anything else he can do. Diolch yn fawr.</p>
<p>It would be churlish of me not to recognise the movement from the board. I have been a fierce critic of the board on this issue, and still feel that this was a dispute that never needed to have begun. I am hopeful that they will learn from this dispute and similar mistakes will not be made.</p>
<p>Gweinidog Cabinet, as this dispute comes to a close, we now need to focus on what comes next: a remediation plan by the board to deal with the backlog, a clear plan to reintegrate the workforce back into the service and, potentially, a lessons-learned activity at the board level to ensure we do not repeat this. What assurances has the Minister had, or requested, that some of these activities will be undertaken?</p>
<p>I'll finish with the health visitors themselves. To my friends, whose dedication to their service is remarkable, they have shown that they would not be browbeaten, even when, in their heart of hearts, all they wanted to do was return to a job they love. I have learned quite a bit from those health visitors, not least that public service is alive and well in many parts of our system. They will now receive the recognition that they so deeply deserve. Diolch.</p>
<p>A gaf innau hefyd gydnabod gwaith tawel y Gweinidog a'i dîm? Er ei fod wedi bod yn glir fod y penderfyniad yn un ar gyfer y bwrdd, fe'i gwnaeth yn hollol glir beth a ddisgwyliai gan y bwrdd. Ac rwy'n gwybod ei fod wedi defnyddio ei holl bwerau ymgynnull i'n cael ni i ble rydym ni heddiw. Rwy'n siŵr y bydd yn rhyddhad iddo fod yr anghydfod hwn yn dod i ben, nid yn unig oherwydd yr effeithiau y mae'r anghydfod hwn wedi'u cael ar y gwasanaeth, ond hefyd fe fydd yn lleihau'r nifer o weithiau yr wythnos y byddaf i ac eraill yn mynnu gair â'r Gweinidog, yn ei dynnu naill ochr, ac yn gofyn iddo a oes unrhyw beth arall y gall ei wneud. Diolch yn fawr.</p>
<p>Byddai'n anfoesgar i mi beidio â chydnabod y symud ar ran y bwrdd. Rwyf wedi bod yn feirniad ffyrnig o'r bwrdd ar y mater hwn, ac yn dal i deimlo bod hwn yn anghydfod nad oedd angen iddo fod wedi dechrau. Rwy'n gobeithio y byddant yn dysgu o'r anghydfod ac na fydd camgymeriadau tebyg yn cael eu gwneud.</p>
<p>Weinidog Cabinet, wrth i'r anghydfod hwn ddod i ben, mae angen inni ganolbwyntio nawr ar yr hyn a ddaw nesaf: cynllun adfer gan y bwrdd i ddelio â'r ôl-groniadau, cynllun clir i ailintegreiddio'r gweithlu yn ôl i mewn i'r gwasanaeth ac o bosibl, gweithgarwch gwersi a ddysgwyd ar lefel y bwrdd i sicrhau nad ydym yn ailadrodd hyn. Pa sicrwydd y mae'r Gweinidog wedi'i gael, neu wedi gofyn amdano, y bydd rhai o'r gweithgareddau hyn yn digwydd?</p>
<p>Fe wnaf orffen gyda'r ymwelwyr iechyd eu hunain. I fy ffrindiau, y mae eu hymroddiad i'w gwasanaeth yn rhyfeddol, maent wedi dangos na chânt eu gormesu, hyd yn oed pan nad oeddent, yn ddwfn yn eu calonnau, yn dymuno dim byd mwy na dychwelyd at swydd y maent yn ei charu. Rwyf wedi dysgu cryn dipyn gan yr ymwelwyr iechyd hynny, nid yn lleiaf fod gwasanaeth cyhoeddus yn fyw ac yn iach mewn sawl rhan o'n system. Nawr, fe gânt y gydnabyddiaeth y maent yn ei llwyr haeddu. Diolch.</p>
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<p>Diolch yn fawr iawn i'r Aelod am y sylwadau hynny, a'r pwyntiau sydd wedi cael eu gwneud. Dwi'n cyd-fynd efo'r Aelod yn llwyr ei fod o yn ddiwrnod da nid yn unig i'r gweithlu iechyd yna, ond, yn bwysicach, i'r plant a'r teuluoedd bregus sydd yn ardal Cwm Taf Morgannwg sydd wedi angen y gwasanaeth yma, sydd ei angen yn symud ymlaen, a'r bobl a'r plant yna oedd wedi methu cael mynediad at y gwasanaeth yma yn ystod cyfnod y streic, ond sydd bellach yn mynd i gael mynediad at y gwasanaeth.</p>
<p>Oherwydd gadewch inni fod yn glir a chydnabod fan hyn unwaith eto rôl hollbwysig y gweithlu ymwelwyr iechyd. Mi ydym ni'n trafod dro ar ôl tro y pwysigrwydd i gael ymyrraeth gynnar, i gael gwasanaethau yn y gymuned—dyma'n union y ddarpariaeth mae'r gweithlu ymwelwyr iechyd yn ei gwneud. Maen nhw'n adnabod problemau cyn bod y problemau yna'n dod yn broblemau mwy sylweddol fydd yn achosi trafferthion i'r teuluoedd, i gymdeithas, ac, wrth gwrs, yn rhoi pwysau ariannol ar y gwasanaeth iechyd. Felly, dwi'n cydnabod y rôl yna ac yn ddiolchgar ein bod ni wedi cyrraedd y pwynt yma lle mi fyddwn ni'n gweld y gweithlu iechyd—yr ymwelwyr iechyd, mae'n flin gen i—yn mynd nôl i'r gwaith ar yr unfed ar bymtheg.</p>
<p>I thank the Member very much for those comments and the points that have been made. I do agree entirely with the Member that this is a good day, not only for the health workforce, but, more importantly, for the vulnerable children and families in the Cwm Taf Morgannwg area who have needed this service, who do need the service moving to the future, and those children and families who have not been able to access these services during the strike period, but now will be able to access that service.</p>
<p>But let's be clear and recognise here once again the crucial role played by the health visitor workforce. We time and time again discuss the importance of early intervention and ensuring that services are available in the community, and this is exactly the provision that the health visitor workforce provides. They identify problems before those problems escalate and cause problems for families, for society, and, of course, put financial pressures on our health service. So, I recognise that role and I'm grateful that we have reached this point where we will see the health workforce—the health visitors, rather—returning to work on the sixteenth.</p>
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<p>From the outset, I placed a clear expectation on the health board and Unite to get around the table and reach an agreement. The health board, Cwm Taf Morgannwg University Health Board, and Unite announced that, under the agreement that they have come to, the striking health visitors will return to work on 16 November. The immediate priority now is the restoration of health visiting services for children and families, recognising the vital role that the health visitors play, including in safeguarding.</p>
<p>The agreement does not provide for the automatic rebanding of existing band 6 health visitors to band 7. And just to be clear, the agreement provides a route for eligible health visitors to move into a new and distinct band 7 specialist health visitor role, which is an evolution on the position that we had, and a welcome one.</p>
<p>With regard to the specific questions that the Member raised, I will now be seeking a meeting with both Cwm Taf health board and Unite in order for me and for everybody involved to learn the lessons from this experience, ensuring that we learn the best practice as well, and that we have a system in place whereby Cwm Taf can ensure that those health visitors coming back to work are now fully embedded, and that they can continue with the work that they have so long wanted to do over the last months. </p>
<p>O'r cychwyn cyntaf, gosodais ddisgwyliad clir ar y bwrdd iechyd ac Unite i ddod at ei gilydd a chyrraedd cytundeb. Cyhoeddodd y bwrdd iechyd, Bwrdd Iechyd Prifysgol Cwm Taf Morgannwg, ac Unite fod y cytundeb y maent wedi'i gyrraedd yn golygu y bydd yr ymwelwyr iechyd sydd ar streic yn dychwelyd i'r gwaith ar 16 Tachwedd. Y flaenoriaeth uniongyrchol nawr yw adfer gwasanaethau ymwelwyr iechyd ar gyfer plant a theuluoedd, gan gydnabod y rôl hanfodol y mae ymwelwyr iechyd yn ei chwarae, yn cynnwys mewn perthynas â diogelu.</p>
<p>Nid yw'r cytundeb yn darparu ar gyfer ailraddio ymwelwyr iechyd sydd ar hyn o bryd ar fand 6 yn awtomatig ar fand 7. Ac er mwyn bod yn glir, mae'r cytundeb yn cynnig llwybr i ymwelwyr iechyd cymwys symud i rôl arbenigol newydd a neilltuol ymwelydd iechyd band 7, sy’n ddatblygiad o'r sefyllfa flaenorol, ac yn un i'w groesawu.</p>
<p>O ran y cwestiynau penodol a godwyd gan yr Aelod, fe geisiaf drefnu cyfarfod gyda bwrdd iechyd Cwm Taf ac Unite er mwyn fy ngalluogi i a phawb arall sydd ynghlwm wrth hyn i ddysgu gwersi o'r profiad hwn, gan sicrhau ein bod yn mabwysiadu arferion gorau, a bod system ar waith gennym sy'n galluogi Cwm Taf i sicrhau bod yr ymwelwyr iechyd sy'n dychwelyd i'r gwaith yn cael eu hymgorffori'n llawn, a'u bod yn gallu parhau â'r gwaith y maent wedi bod cymaint o eisiau ei wneud dros y misoedd diwethaf.</p>
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<p>Well, Minister, I'm pleased that Cwm Taf Morgannwg University Health Board has finally seen sense and awarded health visitors the grading that their skills and experience truly deserve. I'd like to add my thanks, and those of my Welsh Labour colleagues, to those already expressed in support of our health visitors, their representatives in Unite the Union, and every single person who showed their support in this just cause. Well done to all involved.</p>
<p>Thankfully, they could deliver the outcome that you, health Minister, couldn't, with your refusal to get involved, so that health visitors can get back to doing the job they love, giving children the best start in life and supporting their families. And we know that there was a precedent set by your predecessors in Welsh Labour for how you could have got involved and intervened directly.</p>
<p>But my question today, though, is that, although the heroic stand taken by Cwm Taf Morgannwg health visitors has rightly drawn our attention, there are health visitors in other health boards across Wales who are still employed at a grade lower than band 7. So, as I've said in this Chamber before, I really do believe that we need a national approach to this issue, so that health visitors across Wales are adequately recognised. Will you make this a priority?</p>
<p>Wel, Weinidog, rwy'n falch fod Bwrdd Iechyd Prifysgol Cwm Taf Morgannwg wedi gweld synnwyr o'r diwedd ac wedi rhoi'r raddfa i ymwelwyr iechyd y mae eu sgiliau a'u profiad yn eu haeddu. Hoffwn ychwanegu fy niolch, a diolch fy nghyd-Aelodau yn Llafur Cymru, at yr hyn a fynegwyd eisoes i gefnogi ein hymwelwyr iechyd, eu cynrychiolwyr yn undeb Unite, a phob unigolyn a ddangosodd eu cefnogaeth i'r achos cyfiawn hwn. Da iawn bawb a fu'n rhan o hyn.</p>
<p>Yn ffodus, fe wnaethant lwyddo i sicrhau'r canlyniad na allech chi, Weinidog iechyd, ei sicrhau am eich bod wedi gwrthod ymyrryd, fel bod ymwelwyr iechyd yn gallu dychwelyd i wneud y gwaith y maent yn ei garu, a rhoi'r dechrau gorau mewn bywyd i blant a chefnogi eu teuluoedd. A gwyddom hefyd fod eich rhagflaenwyr yn Llafur Cymru wedi gosod cynsail ar gyfer sut y gallech fod wedi ymwneud â'r mater ac ymyrryd yn uniongyrchol.</p>
<p>Fodd bynnag, er bod y safiad dewr a welwyd gan ymwelwyr iechyd iechyd Cwm Taf Morgannwg wedi denu ein sylw, ac yn briodol felly, mae fy nghwestiwn heddiw yn ymwneud â'r ymwelwyr iechyd mewn byrddau iechyd eraill ledled Cymru sy'n dal i gael eu cyflogi ar raddfa is na band 7. Felly, fel y dywedais yn y Siambr hon o'r blaen, rwy'n credu'n gryf fod angen dull cenedlaethol o ymdrin â'r mater hwn, er mwyn sicrhau bod ymwelwyr iechyd ledled Cymru'n cael eu cydnabod yn ddigonol. A wnewch chi wneud hyn yn flaenoriaeth?</p>
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<p>Thank you for those comments, Vikki. Just to clarify and correct a number of things, you might want to reflect on the contribution that you made when you said that I had refused to get involved, and that there was precedent set by previous Ministers. Both of those statements are not correct. It's not the fact that I refused to get involved; I couldn't get involved. I'd expect you, as a Minister in the former Government, to know that. It's unfortunate that you don't. You say that there was a precedent set by the previous Ministers. If you compare apples and pears, that might be the case, but you can't compare apples and pears. There are completely different circumstances. Again, I would expect a former Minister to know that. It's disappointing that you don't know it. So, either you don't know it because of ignorance, or you choose to say things that are not correct in this context.</p>
<p>However, the Member is absolutely right in saying that health visitors across Wales are employed in different ways, because health visitors in Cwm Taf Morgannwg provide a different service from health visitors in, say, Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board, from health visitors in Aneurin Bevan University Health Board. Again, you're not comparing the same jobs. But, absolutely, it is my wish to see a national approach to this. That's why I've commissioned a piece of work on developing a national approach to health visiting, which is carried out by the chief nursing officer, and I expect to see a report back on that in the new year.</p>
<p>Diolch am y sylwadau hynny, Vikki. Os caf egluro a chywiro nifer o bethau, efallai yr hoffech chi ystyried y cyfraniad a wnaethoch pan ddywedoch chi fy mod wedi gwrthod ymwneud â'r mater, a bod Gweinidogion blaenorol wedi gosod cynsail. Nid yw'r naill na'r llall o'r datganiadau hynny'n gywir. Nid yw’n wir fy mod wedi gwrthod ymwneud â'r mater; ni chawn ymwneud ag ef. Rwy’n disgwyl i chi, fel Gweinidog yn y Llywodraeth flaenorol wybod hynny. Mae'n anffodus nad ydych chi. Rydych chi’n dweud bod y Gweinidogion blaenorol wedi gosod cynsail. Pe baech chi’n cymharu afalau a gellyg, efallai y byddai hynny'n wir, ond ni allwch gymharu afalau a gellyg. Mae'r amgylchiadau'n hollol wahanol. Unwaith eto, buaswn yn disgwyl i'r Gweinidog blaenorol wybod hynny. Mae'n siomedig nad ydych. Felly, naill ai nad ydych chi’n gwybod oherwydd anwybodaeth, neu rydych chi’n dewis dweud pethau nad ydynt yn gywir yn y cyd-destun hwn.</p>
<p>Fodd bynnag, mae'r Aelod yn hollol gywir i ddweud bod ymwelwyr iechyd ledled Cymru'n cael eu cyflogi mewn ffyrdd gwahanol, gan fod ymwelwyr iechyd yng Nghwm Taf Morgannwg yn darparu gwasanaeth sy'n wahanol i'r hyn a ddarperir gan ymwelwyr iechyd ym Mwrdd Iechyd Prifysgol Betsi Cadwaladr, dyweder, neu ym Mwrdd Iechyd Prifysgol Aneurin Bevan. Unwaith eto, nid ydych yn cymharu swyddi sy'n union yr un fath. Ond yn bendant, fy nymuniad yw gweld dull cenedlaethol o ymdrin â hyn. Dyna pam fy mod wedi comisiynu gwaith i ddatblygu dull cenedlaethol o ymdrin â gwasanaethau ymwelwyr iechyd, gwaith sy'n cael ei arwain gan y prif swyddog nyrsio, ac rwy'n disgwyl gweld adroddiad ar hynny yn y flwyddyn newydd.</p>
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<p>Diolch. Ac yn olaf, Sera Evans. </p>
<p>Thank you. Finally, Sera Evans. </p>
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<p>Diolch, Ddirprwy Lywydd. I would very much like to echo the sentiments of my Plaid Cymru colleagues in welcoming the resolution of this dispute, and the return of health visitors to their vital work. It is a positive outcome for the workforce, for families and communities across the Cwm Taf Morgannwg health board area, and I want to pay tribute to the health visitors who have been nothing short of formidable during this dispute.</p>
<p>However, as Alun Cox suggested, the end of the dispute is only the beginning of the next phase. There's an important responsibility now on the health board to ensure that the service is restored fully, that the workforce feels valued and supported, and that the experiences of families who have gone without provision are properly addressed. Gweinidog, yesterday we heard from the Deputy Minister for Public and Preventative Health about the many areas of support that our health visitors provide, not least in terms of vaccination rates, and that is a worry for me in Afan Ogwr Rhondda specifically.</p>
<p>So, what further role does the Cabinet Minister see for the Welsh Government in monitoring this progress towards the preventative health agenda, in particular around vaccinations, and ensuring that the health board is accountable for delivering on any commitments? And also to add, Gweinidog, you were absolutely clear from the outset of this dispute that you were unable to get involved, but we know full well, as Alun Cox also outlined, that you were working really hard behind the scenes with the health board and Unite to bring this dispute to an end, and I'm very glad that it has reached that conclusion. Diolch.</p>
<p>Diolch, Ddirprwy Lywydd. Hoffwn ategu teimladau fy nghyd-Aelodau ym Mhlaid Cymru wrth groesawu datrysiad y anghydfod hwn, a dychweliad ymwelwyr iechyd i'w gwaith hanfodol. Mae'n ganlyniad cadarnhaol i'r gweithlu, i deuluoedd ac i gymunedau ar draws ardal bwrdd iechyd Cwm Taf Morgannwg, a hoffwn dalu teyrnged i'r ymwelwyr iechyd sydd wedi bod yn wych iawn dros yr anghydfod hwn.</p>
<p>Fodd bynnag, fel yr awgrymodd Alun Cox, diwedd yr anghydfod yw dechrau'r cam nesaf. Mae cyfrifoldeb pwysig ar y bwrdd iechyd nawr i sicrhau bod y gwasanaeth yn cael ei adfer yn llawn, fod y gweithlu'n teimlo eu bod yn cael eu gwerthfawrogi a'u cefnogi, a bod profiadau teuluoedd sydd wedi bod heb y ddarpariaeth yn cael sylw priodol. Weinidog, ddoe clywsom gan y Dirprwy Weinidog dros Iechyd Cyhoeddus ac Ataliol am y mathau niferus o gymorth y mae ein hymwelwyr iechyd yn eu darparu, nid yn lleiaf o ran cyfraddau brechu, mater sy'n peri pryder i mi yn ardal Afan Ogwr Rhondda yn benodol.</p>
<p>Felly, pa rôl bellach y mae'r Gweinidog Cabinet yn ei gweld i Lywodraeth Cymru o ran monitro'r cynnydd hwn tuag at yr agenda iechyd ataliol, yn enwedig mewn perthynas â brechiadau, a sicrhau bod y bwrdd iechyd yn atebol am gyflawni unrhyw ymrwymiadau? Hefyd, Weinidog, roeddech chi’n gwbl glir o ddechrau'r anghydfod hwn na allech ymyrryd, ond gwyddom yn iawn, fel yr amlinellodd Alun Cox hefyd, eich bod wedi bod yn gweithio'n galed iawn y tu ôl i'r llenni gyda'r bwrdd iechyd ac Unite i ddod â'r anghydfod hwn i ben, ac rwy'n falch iawn fod hynny wedi digwydd. Diolch.</p>
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<p>Diolch yn fawr iawn i'r Aelod am y sylwadau hynny. </p>
<p>I thank the Member for those comments. </p>
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<p>And the Member is absolutely right that the health visitors in question were absolutely formidable. I managed to meet up with a number of those health visitors on a number of occasions. I brought them into the office here to hold discussions with them. They door-stopped me on a few occasions. They met up with me at the conference. They made it clear that they wanted to be back out there working, and I got the message loud and clear, and I said that I would do whatever I could, within the limited powers that I had, to make sure that there was a resolution to this issue. Again, let's be clear that health visitors in this instance, or anybody taking industrial action, they don't do it for fun. It's not fun. They are giving up a lot in order to try and achieve what they think is the right thing for them and the sector and the people that they work with, and I absolutely respect that.</p>
<p>And let's be clear: in the previous administration, Unite and Cwm Taf weren't talking to each other. They had not had discussions since April. Relationships had broken down utterly, completely, between both parties. I am glad that they got back around the table, and that's what happens when you bring people together. When you get them talking and sharing information and looking at each other's eyes then you will find a resolution, and that's what happened in this instance. They got back around the table and they found a way forward in very difficult circumstances. They were poles apart initially, but they got back around the table and found this resolution, and I am happy for the health visitors and indeed the people that they represent.</p>
<p>During this process, we made sure that we held Cwm Taf health board to account on the monitoring of the actions that they were taking in respect of ensuring the well-being of the children and vulnerable families that those health visitors wanted to be out looking after. During the summer holidays, I was concerned specifically about that period of time for children who, if they were otherwise in school, would have had some monitoring. They didn't when they were back home, so we held the health board to account. We made sure that they reviewed each and every one of the cases of the thousands of children that needed looking after in Cwm Taf health board area. So, we held them to account. We held their feet to the fire. We made sure that there were mitigating actions in place for the well-being of those children as the strike was continuing. And I will be continuing with monitoring progress, making sure that those children and families, vulnerable families, are looked after during this process of transition as they are getting back into their work, so that nobody is lost in the system during that period.</p>
<p>Ac mae'r Aelod yn hollol gywir fod yr ymwelwyr iechyd dan sylw yn bobl wych iawn. Llwyddais i gyfarfod â nifer o'r ymwelwyr iechyd hynny ar sawl achlysur. Deuthum â nhw i'r swyddfa yma i drafod pethau gyda nhw. Daethant ataf yn ddiwahoddiad ar sawl achlysur. Fe wnaethant fy nghyfarfod yn y gynhadledd. Fe wnaethant yn glir eu bod am ddychwelyd i'r gwaith, a chefais y neges honno’n glir, a dywedais y buaswn yn gwneud popeth yn fy ngallu, o fewn y pwerau cyfyngedig a oedd gennyf, i sicrhau datrysiad i'r mater. Unwaith eto, gadewch inni fod yn glir nad er mwyn hwyl y mae ymwelwyr iechyd yn yr achos hwn, neu unrhyw un sy'n cymryd camau diwydiannol, yn gwneud hynny. Nid yw'n hwyl. Maent yn aberthu llawer er mwyn ceisio cyflawni'r hyn y maent yn ei ystyried ei fod yn gywir iddynt hwy eu hunain a'r sector ac i'r bobl y maent yn gweithio gyda nhw, ac rwy'n parchu hynny'n fawr.</p>
<p>A gadewch inni fod yn glir: yn y weinyddiaeth flaenorol, nid oedd Unite a Cwm Taf yn siarad â'i gilydd. Nid oeddent wedi cael trafodaethau ers mis Ebrill. Roedd y berthynas wedi chwalu'n llwyr rhwng y ddwy ochr. Rwy'n falch eu bod wedi dychwelyd at y bwrdd i drafod, a dyna sy'n digwydd pan fyddwch chi’n dod â phobl at ei gilydd. Pan fyddwch chi’n eu cael i siarad a rhannu gwybodaeth ac edrych i lygaid ei gilydd, gallwch ddod o hyd i ddatrysiad, a dyna a ddigwyddodd yn yr achos hwn. Fe wnaethant ddychwelyd at y bwrdd i drafod a dod o hyd i ffordd ymlaen mewn amgylchiadau anodd iawn. Roeddent ymhell ar wahân i ddechrau, ond daethant yn ôl at y bwrdd a dod o hyd i'r datrysiad hwn, ac rwy'n hapus dros yr ymwelwyr iechyd, ac yn wir, dros y bobl y maent yn eu cynrychioli.</p>
<p>Yn ystod y broses hon, fe wnaethom sicrhau ein bod yn gwneud bwrdd iechyd Cwm Taf yn atebol am fonitro'r camau yr oeddent yn eu cymryd i sicrhau lles y plant a'r teuluoedd agored i niwed yr oedd yr ymwelwyr iechyd hynny am fod allan yn gofalu amdanynt. Yn ystod gwyliau'r haf, roeddwn i'n pryderu'n benodol am y cyfnod hwnnw i blant a fyddai, pe baent yn yr ysgol, wedi cael eu monitro mewn rhyw ffordd. Nid oedd hynny'n digwydd tra oeddent gartref, felly fe wnaethom wneud y bwrdd iechyd yn atebol. Fe wnaethom sicrhau eu bod yn adolygu pob un o'r achosion yn ymwneud â'r miloedd o blant yr oedd angen gofal arnynt yn ardal bwrdd iechyd Cwm Taf. Felly, fe wnaethom eu gwneud yn atebol. Fe wnaethom roi pwysau mawr arnynt. Fe wnaethom sicrhau bod camau lliniaru ar waith er lles y plant hynny tra oedd y streic yn parhau. A byddaf yn parhau i fonitro cynnydd, gan sicrhau bod y plant a'r teuluoedd hynny, teuluoedd sy'n agored i niwed, yn cael gofal yn ystod y cyfnod pontio hwn wrth i'r gweithwyr ddychwelyd i'w gwaith, fel na fydd neb yn cael ei golli yn y system yn ystod y cyfnod hwnnw.</p>
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<p>Diolch yn fawr i chi, Weinidog Cabinet.</p>
<p>Thank you, Cabinet Minister. </p>
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<p>Symudwn ymlaen at ddatganiadau 90 eiliad. Nick Carter.</p>
<p>We move on now to the 90-second statements. Nick Carter.</p>
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<p>Diolch, Ddirprwy Lywydd. Today, I'd like to pay tribute to Rubicon Dance, the oldest community dance organisation in Wales, on their fiftieth anniversary. Rubicon sees thousands of people of all ages every week, from its studios in Adamsdown in my constituency of Caerdydd Ffynnon Taf, and in day centres, schools and hospitals across Cardiff, south Wales and beyond with its online courses. It offers so many different sessions, from creative dance for small children, which my own children attended, to engaging with dementia patients as part of its dance and health programme with the NHS.</p>
<p>Last Friday, I attended their celebration in Cardiff and heard from Alan, a stroke survivor who spent four months in hospital and was discharged home in a wheelchair. Alan shared his moving experience of how the movement to music sessions offered by Rubicon had been fundamental to his recovery, and in fact equally as important as his medication. Like so many arts organisations across Wales, Rubicon faces funding challenges, and I hope the whole Senedd can get behind me in recognising the importance of community dance organisations like Rubicon, and wish them a happy fiftieth anniversary.</p>
<p>Diolch, Ddirprwy Lywydd. Heddiw, hoffwn dalu teyrnged i Rubicon Dance, y sefydliad dawns cymunedol hynaf yng Nghymru, ar eu hanner canmlwyddiant. Mae Rubicon yn gweld miloedd o bobl o bob oed bob wythnos, o'u stiwdios yn Adamsdown yn fy etholaeth i, Caerdydd Ffynnon Taf, ac mewn canolfannau dydd, ysgolion ac ysbytai ledled Caerdydd, de Cymru a thu hwnt gyda'u cyrsiau ar-lein. Mae'n cynnig cymaint o sesiynau gwahanol, o ddawns greadigol i blant bach, sesiynau a fynychwyd gan fy mhlant fy hun, i ymgysylltu â chleifion dementia yn rhan o'u rhaglen ddawns ac iechyd gyda'r GIG.</p>
<p>Ddydd Gwener diwethaf, mynychais eu dathliad yng Nghaerdydd a chlywais gan Alan, goroeswr strôc a dreuliodd bedwar mis yn yr ysbyty ac a gafodd ei ryddhau adref mewn cadair olwyn. Rhannodd Alan ei brofiad emosiynol o sut roedd symud at y sesiynau cerddoriaeth a gynigid gan Rubicon wedi bod yn allweddol i'w adferiad, a lawn mor bwysig â'i feddyginiaeth mewn gwirionedd. Fel cymaint o sefydliadau celfyddydol ledled Cymru, mae Rubicon yn wynebu heriau ariannol, ac rwy'n gobeithio y gall y Senedd gyfan gefnogi fy nghydnabyddiaeth i bwysigrwydd sefydliadau dawns cymunedol fel Rubicon, a dymuno hanner canfed pen-blwydd hapus iddynt.</p>
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<p>Firstly, I'd like to declare an interest: I am a lifelong superfan. Dirprwy Lywydd, this week we celebrate the extraordinary career of one of Wales's greatest sporting icons, Jess Fishlock. She retires as Wales's most capped football player and our all-time leading international goal scorer, achievements that place her among the very greatest athletes of our nation.</p>
<p>But Jess Fishlock's legacy is about far more than records and trophies, and I was reminded of just how much Jess has transcended the game when I overheard a group of my local under-nines debating their top-10 footballers of all time. Those names were, as you would expect, Messi, Ronaldo, all the global superstars, but amongst those names was Jess Fishlock. To those young boys, there was no distinction between men's football and women's football. They simply recognised one of the greatest footballers that Wales has ever produced, and that perhaps tells us more about her impact than any statistic every could.</p>
<p>But perhaps her greatest legacy will not be found in the record books, it will be found on the football pitches across Wales, in the thousands of girls who've seen our girl reach the highest level of the game and realise that they can do the same. Throughout her success, she has helped grow the football game, build confidence and ambition in our girls and young women, and create opportunities that will benefit not only those girls themselves, but our nation and the future of Welsh sport.</p>
<p>So, on behalf of the people of Wales, I want to say, 'diolch, Jess'. Thank you for the memories, for the barriers that you have broken and for the generations that you have inspired. You leave the game as a legend, as my shero, but your impact on Wales will endure for a generation to come. </p>
<p>Yn gyntaf, hoffwn ddatgan buddiant: rwy'n siwper-gefnogwr gydol oes. Ddirprwy Lywydd, yr wythnos hon rydym yn dathlu gyrfa ryfeddol un o eiconau chwaraeon mwyaf Cymru, Jess Fishlock. Mae hi'n ymddeol fel y chwaraewr pêl-droed a gafodd fwyaf o gapiau i Gymru a'n prif sgoriwr goliau rhyngwladol erioed, cyflawniadau sy'n ei gosod ymhlith athletwyr gorau ein cenedl.</p>
<p>Ond mae gwaddol Jess Fishlock yn cynnwys llawer mwy nag ystadegau a thlysau'n unig, ac fe gefais fy atgoffa gymaint y mae Jess wedi mynd y tu hwnt i'r gêm pan glywais grŵp o chwaraewyr dan naw oed yn lleol yn trafod eu 10 pêl-droediwr uchaf erioed. Yr enwau hynny, fel y byddech chi'n ei ddisgwyl, oedd Messi, Ronaldo, yr holl archarwyr byd-eang, ond ymhlith yr enwau hynny roedd Jess Fishlock. I'r bechgyn ifanc hyn, nid oedd unrhyw wahaniaeth rhwng pêl-droed dynion a phêl-droed menywod. Yn syml iawn, roeddent yn cydnabod un o'r pêl-droedwyr gorau y mae Cymru wedi'i gynhyrchu erioed, ac efallai fod hynny'n dweud mwy wrthym am ei heffaith nag y gallai unrhyw ystadegyn ei wneud.</p>
<p>Ond efallai nad yn y llyfrau cofnodion y bydd ei gwaddol mwyaf i'w weld, ond yn hytrach ar gaeau pêl-droed ledled Cymru, yn y miloedd o ferched sydd wedi gweld ein merch yn cyrraedd lefel uchaf y gêm a sylweddoli y gallant hwy wneud yr un peth. Drwy gydol ei llwyddiant, mae hi wedi helpu i dyfu'r gêm, meithrin hyder ac uchelgais yn ein merched a'n menywod ifanc, a chreu cyfleoedd a fydd o fantais nid yn unig i'r merched hynny eu hunain, ond i'n cenedl a dyfodol chwaraeon Cymru.</p>
<p>Felly, ar ran pobl Cymru, rwyf am ddweud, 'diolch, Jess'. Diolch am yr atgofion, am y rhwystrau rydych chi wedi'u chwalu ac am y cenedlaethau rydych chi wedi'u hysbrydoli. Rydych chi'n gadael y gêm yn chwedl, yn arwres i mi, ond bydd eich effaith ar Gymru'n parhau am genhedlaeth i ddod.</p>
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<p>Dirprwy Lywydd, I want to pay tribute to Michael 'Pancho' Locke, who sadly passed away last week at just 47 years old. Growing up in the early 2000s, seeing someone from our part of Cymru on MTV was incredibly cool. <em>Dirty Sanchez</em> was outrageous, chaotic and hilarious, but for a young teenager like me, there was something special about seeing people with our accents and our sense of humour making their mark on the world.</p>
<p>Years later, I met Pancho a few times at San Portablo in Port Talbot, which he co-owned, where I experienced first-hand the patience and kindness that so many have spoken about in their tributes. Behind the outrageous stunts and larger-than-life television personality was a man known for his warmth, his generosity and loyalty. He was immensely proud of Port Talbot, championed local talent and encouraged others to pursue their ambitions. The tributes from lifelong friends, fellow performers and people across the community speak volumes about the difference he made to those around him.</p>
<p>My thoughts are with his family, his friends, Nigel and everyone at San Portablo. Pancho brought laughter to millions, but perhaps his greatest legacy is his love and affection with which so many people will remember him. </p>
<p>Ddirprwy Lywydd, hoffwn dalu teyrnged i Michael 'Pancho' Locke, a fu farw yr wythnos diwethaf yn ddim ond 47 oed. Wrth dyfu i fyny yn gynnar yn y 2000au, roedd gweld rhywun o'n rhan ni o Gymru ar MTV yn hynod o cŵl. Roedd<em> Dirty Sanchez</em> yn feiddgar, yn gaotig ac yn ddoniol, ond i rywun ifanc yn eu harddegau fel fi, roedd rhywbeth arbennig am weld pobl gyda'n hacenion a'n synnwyr digrifwch ni yn gwneud eu marc ar y byd.</p>
<p>Flynyddoedd yn ddiweddarach, cyfarfûm â Pancho ychydig o weithiau yn San Portablo ym Mhort Talbot, lle roedd yn gydberchennog, a lle cefais brofiad uniongyrchol o'r amynedd a'r caredigrwydd y mae cymaint o bobl wedi siarad amdanynt yn eu teyrngedau. Y tu ôl i'r styntiau beiddgar a'r bersonoliaeth deledu enfawr roedd dyn a oedd yn enwog am ei gynhesrwydd, ei haelioni a'i deyrngarwch. Roedd yn hynod falch o Bort Talbot, yn hyrwyddo talent leol ac yn annog eraill i ddilyn eu huchelgeisiau. Mae'r teyrngedau gan ffrindiau gydol oes, cydberfformwyr a phobl ar draws y gymuned yn siarad cyfrolau am y gwahaniaeth a wnaeth i'r rhai o'i gwmpas.</p>
<p>Mae fy meddyliau gyda'i deulu, ei ffrindiau, Nigel a phawb yn San Portablo. Gwnaeth Pancho i filiynau o bobl chwerthin, ond efallai mai ei waddol mwyaf yw ei gariad a'i anwyldeb y bydd cymaint o bobl yn ei gofio.</p>
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<p>Ac yn olaf, Safa Elhassan.</p>
<p>At finally, Safa Elhassan.</p>
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<p>Diolch. They give their time, they share their skills and they carry responsibilities. This Trustees' Week, I pay tribute to tens of thousands of trustees supporting charities across Wales. </p>
<p>I declare an interest as a trustee of Race Council Cymru, where I see the commitment that goes into serving our communities. Behind our community centres, foodbanks, school governing bodies, youth clubs and charities are trustees, safeguarding donations, supporting staff and making difficult decisions, often after their own working day ends. Their work happens outside the spotlight and their impact reaches into homes across our nations. I particularly recognise trustees of colour and those from global majority backgrounds, bringing professional expertise, lived experience and community understanding to decisions that shape lives. Their contributions deserve recognition across the whole of the charitable sector.</p>
<p>From Gŵyr Abertawe to communities throughout Wales, trustees turn generosity into practical support and good intentions into lasting change. To every trustee balancing the responsibility with work, family and caring commitments, thank you. You give more than your time; you help protect the trust that holds our communities together, and this week we celebrate your service. Every week, Wales benefits from it. Diolch.</p>
<p>Diolch. Maent yn rhoi eu hamser, yn rhannu eu sgiliau ac yn ysgwyddo cyfrifoldebau. Mae'n Wythnos yr Ymddiriedolwyr, ac rwyf am dalu teyrnged i ddegau o filoedd o ymddiriedolwyr sy'n cefnogi elusennau ledled Cymru.</p>
<p>Rwy'n datgan buddiant fel un o ymddiriedolwyr Race Council Cymru, lle rwy'n gweld yr ymrwymiad sydd ynghlwm wrth wasanaethu ein cymunedau. Y tu ôl i'n canolfannau cymunedol, banciau bwyd, cyrff llywodraethu ysgolion, clybiau ieuenctid ac elusennau mae ymddiriedolwyr, yn gwarchod rhoddion, yn cefnogi staff ac yn gwneud penderfyniadau anodd, yn aml ar ôl i'w diwrnod gwaith eu hunain ddod i ben. Mae eu gwaith yn digwydd yn y cefndir ac mae eu heffaith yn cyrraedd cartrefi ledled ein gwledydd. Rwy'n cydnabod yn arbennig ymddiriedolwyr o liw a'r rhai o gefndiroedd mwyafrif byd-eang, gan ddod ag arbenigedd proffesiynol, profiad bywyd a dealltwriaeth gymunedol i benderfyniadau sy'n siapio bywydau. Mae eu cyfraniadau'n haeddu cydnabyddiaeth ar draws y sector elusennol cyfan.</p>
<p>O Gŵyr Abertawe i gymunedau ledled Cymru, mae ymddiriedolwyr yn troi haelioni'n gymorth ymarferol a bwriadau da yn newid parhaol. I bob ymddiriedolwr sy'n cydbwyso'r cyfrifoldeb ag ymrwymiadau gwaith, teulu a gofal, diolch. Rydych chi'n rhoi mwy na'ch amser; rydych chi'n helpu i ddiogelu'r ymddiriedaeth sy'n dal ein cymunedau gyda'i gilydd, a'r wythnos hon rydym yn dathlu eich gwasanaeth. Bob wythnos, mae Cymru'n elwa ohono. Diolch.</p>
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<p>Symudwn ymlaen i gynigion i ethol Aelodau i bwyllgorau. Os nad oes unrhyw wrthwynebiad, rwy'n cynnig bod y cynigion i ethol Aelodau i bwyllgorau, yn unol â Rheolau Sefydlog 12.24 a 12.40, yn cael eu grwpio i'w trafod ac ar gyfer pleidleisio arnynt. A oes unrhyw Aelod yn gwrthwynebu? Nac oes.</p>
<p>We will move now to motions to elect Members to committees. If there are no objections, I propose that the motions to elect Members to committees are grouped for debate and for voting, in accordance with Standing Orders 12.24 and 12.40. Does any Member object? No.</p>
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<p>Galwaf ar aelod o'r Pwyllgor Busnes i wneud y cynigion yn ffurfiol—Huw Irranca-Davies.</p>
<p>I therefore call on a member of the Business Committee to move the motions formally—Huw Irranca-Davies.</p>
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<p>Cynnig bod y Senedd, yn unol â Rheol Sefydlog 17.14, yn ethol Gareth Thomas (Reform UK) yn lle Benjamin Hodge McKenna (Reform UK) yn aelod o’r Pwyllgor Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol.</p>
<p>Motion NNDM9346 Huw Irranca-Davies</p>
<p>To propose that the Senedd, in accordance with Standing Order 17.14, elects Gareth Thomas (Reform UK) in place of Benjamin Hodge McKenna (Reform UK) as a member of the Health and Social Care Committee.</p>
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<p>Cynnig bod y Senedd, yn unol â Rheol Sefydlog 17.14, yn ethol Benjamin Hodge Mckenna (Reform UK) yn lle Gareth Thomas (Reform UK) yn aelod o Bwyllgor yr Economi, Ynni a Chysylltedd.</p>
<p>Motion NNDM9347 Huw Irranca-Davies</p>
<p>To propose that the Senedd, in accordance with Standing Order 17.14, elects Benjamin Hodge Mckenna (Reform UK) in place of Gareth Thomas (Reform UK) as a member of the Economy, Energy and Connectivity Committee.</p>
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<p>Cynnig bod y Senedd, yn unol â Rheol Sefydlog 17.14, yn ethol Vikki Howells (Llafur Cymru) yn aelod amgen o’r Pwyllgor Safonau Ymddygiad yn lle Lynne Neagle (Llafur Cymru).</p>
<p>Motion NNDM9353 Huw Irranca-Davies</p>
<p>To propose that the Senedd, in accordance with Standing Order 17.14, elects Vikki Howells (Welsh Labour) in place of Lynne Neagle (Welsh Labour) as an alternate member of the Standards of Conduct Committee.</p>
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<p>Cynigiwyd y cynigion.</p>
<p>Motions moved.</p>
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<p>Yn ffurfiol.</p>
<p>Formally.</p>
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<p>Diolch yn fawr iawn. Y cwestiwn yw: a ddylid derbyn y cynigion? A oes unrhyw Aelod yn gwrthwynebu? Nac oes. Felly, derbynnir y cynigion yn unol â Rheol Sefydlog 12.36. Diolch yn fawr iawn.</p>
<p>The proposal is to agree the motion. Does any Member object? No. There are no objections. The motion is therefore agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36. Thank you.</p>
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<p>Derbyniwyd y cynigion yn unol â Rheol Sefydlog 12.36.</p>
<p>Motions agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.</p>
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<p>Symudaf ymlaen i gynnig o dan adran 19 o Ddeddf Senedd Cymru (Atebolrwydd Aelodau ac Etholiadau) 2026. Galwaf ar y Llywydd i wneud y cynnig.</p>
<p>I'll move now to a motion under section 19 of the Senedd Cymru (Member Accountability and Elections) Act 2026. I call on the Llywydd to move the motion.</p>
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<p>Cynnig NDM9336 Huw Irranca-Davies</p>
<p>Cynnig bod y Senedd, yn unol ag adran 19 o Ddeddf Senedd Cymru (Atebolrwydd Aelodau ac Etholiadau) 2026:</p>
<p>1. Yn cytuno bod y Pwyllgor Safonau Ymddygiad yn cynnal ymchwiliad i a ddylai cod ymddygiad ar gyfer Aelodau o’r Senedd fod yn gymwys ac, os felly, sut y dylai fod yn gymwys i ymddygiad Aelod o’r Senedd mewn perthynas â chyfnod pan oedd yr aelod yn ymgeisydd mewn etholiad i’r Senedd (pa un a oedd yr aelod yn dal swydd fel Aelod o’r Senedd ar y pryd ai peidio).</p>
<p>2. Yn cytuno bod rhaid i'r Pwyllgor Safonau Ymddygiad gwblhau adroddiad ar yr ymchwiliad a gosod yr adroddiad gerbron y Senedd.</p>
<p>3. Yn nodi, yn unol ag adran 19(5) o'r un Ddeddf, ar ôl i'r Pwyllgor osod ei adroddiad, fod rhaid i Weinidogion Cymru osod gerbron y Senedd ddatganiad sy'n nodi ymateb Gweinidogion Cymru i'r adroddiad.</p>
<p>Motion NDM9336 Huw Irranca-Davies</p>
<p>To propose that the Senedd, in accordance with section 19 of the Senedd Cymru (Member Accountability and Elections) Act 2026:</p>
<p>1. Agrees that the Standards of Conduct Committee carry out an inquiry into whether and, if so, how, a code of conduct for Members of the Senedd should apply to the conduct of a Member of the Senedd in relation to a period when the member was a candidate at a Senedd election (whether or not the member was holding office as a Member of the Senedd at the time).</p>
<p>2. Agrees that the Standards of Conduct Committee must complete a report of the inquiry and lay the report before the Senedd.</p>
<p>3. Notes that, in accordance with section 19(5) of the same Act, after the Committee has laid its report, the Welsh Ministers must lay before the Senedd a statement that sets out the Welsh Ministers’ response to the report.</p>
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<p>Cynigiwyd y cynnig.</p>
<p>Motion moved.</p>
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Irranca-Davies, Huw
<p>Diolch yn fawr iawn, Ddirprwy Lywydd. I move the motion. Section 19 of the Senedd Cymru (Member Accountability and Elections) Act 2026, which was passed by the previous Senedd, required me to table a motion proposing that either an existing or a new committee of the Senedd carry out an inquiry into, in quotes,</p>
<p>'whether and, if so, how a code of conduct for Members of the Senedd should apply to the conduct of a Member of the Senedd in relation to a period when the member was a candidate at a Senedd election (whether or not the member was holding office as a Member of the Senedd at the time).'</p>
<p>In taking forward my responsibilities under the Act, I have consulted with the Business Committee and also with the Standards of Conduct Committee, given the critical role that the committee has in the application and the ownership of this code of conduct for Members of the Senedd. Following that consultation, I and the Business Committee have determined that if such an inquiry is to be carried out, it should be undertaken by the Standards of Conduct Committee.</p>
<p>Now, the Act does not specify a time frame within which such an inquiry must be conducted, and I am conscious that the committee already has a significant work programme. However, should the Senedd agree this motion to remit the inquiry to the Standards of Conduct Committee, I understand that the committee Chair anticipates that such an inquiry could begin in the spring of next year.</p>
<p>So, in tabling the motion, I have completed my responsibilities under the Act. It is now for the Senedd to determine whether or not to pass the motion. Diolch, Ddirprwy Lywydd.</p>
<p>Diolch yn fawr iawn, Ddirprwy Lywydd. Rwy'n gwneud y cynnig. Roedd adran 19 o Ddeddf Senedd Cymru (Atebolrwydd Aelodau ac Etholiadau) 2026, a basiwyd gan y Senedd flaenorol, yn ei gwneud yn ofynnol imi gyflwyno cynnig yn argymell bod pwyllgor presennol neu bwyllgor newydd o'r Senedd yn cynnal ymchwiliad i</p>
<p>'a ddylai cod ymddygiad ar gyfer Aelodau o’r Senedd fod yn gymwys ac, os felly, sut y dylai fod yn gymwys i ymddygiad Aelod o’r Senedd mewn perthynas â chyfnod pan oedd yr aelod yn ymgeisydd mewn etholiad i’r Senedd (pa un a oedd yr aelod yn dal swydd fel Aelod o’r Senedd ar y pryd ai peidio).'</p>
<p>Wrth fwrw ymlaen â'm cyfrifoldebau o dan y Ddeddf, rwyf wedi ymgynghori â'r Pwyllgor Busnes a hefyd â'r Pwyllgor Safonau Ymddygiad, o ystyried y rôl hanfodol sydd gan y pwyllgor yn cymhwyso'r cod ymddygiad hwn, a pherchnogaeth arno, i Aelodau'r Senedd. Yn dilyn yr ymgynghoriad hwnnw, rwyf i a'r Pwyllgor Busnes wedi penderfynu mai'r Pwyllgor Safonau Ymddygiad a ddylai gynnal ymchwiliad o'r fath.</p>
<p>Nawr, nid yw'r Ddeddf yn nodi amserlen ar gyfer cynnal ymchwiliad o'r fath, ac rwy'n ymwybodol fod gan y pwyllgor raglen waith sylweddol eisoes. Fodd bynnag, pe bai'r Senedd yn cytuno ar y cynnig hwn i drosglwyddo'r ymchwiliad i'r Pwyllgor Safonau Ymddygiad, deallaf fod Cadeirydd y pwyllgor yn rhagweld y gallai ymchwiliad o'r fath ddechrau y gwanwyn nesaf.</p>
<p>Felly, wrth gyflwyno'r cynnig, rwyf wedi cwblhau fy nghyfrifoldebau o dan y Ddeddf. Mater i'r Senedd nawr yw penderfynu a ddylid pasio'r cynnig ai peidio. Diolch, Ddirprwy Lywydd.</p>
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Thomas, Huw
<p>Diolch, Lywydd. Welsh Labour will support this motion. I think it's increasingly clear from events this week that standards will be a recurring theme for this Senedd, and I think this is an important issue for us to consider. The motion before us does not seek to change the Members' code of conduct today, nor does it prejudge the outcome of any future debates. Rather, it asks the Standards of Conduct Committee to undertake a thorough inquiry into whether and, if so, how the code should apply to conduct that occurs during a period when an individual is standing as a candidate in a Senedd election.</p>
<p>That's an important question for a modern Parliament to consider. Public confidence in democratic institutions depends not only on the conduct of elected representatives once they've taken office, but also on confidence in the integrity of the electoral process itself. At the same time, any proposal in this area must be carefully developed, evidence based and compatible with the principles of fairness and natural justice. For that reason, we believe it's right that the matter should be examined in detail by the committee before any conclusions are reached.</p>
<p>If the motion is agreed and the Standards of Conduct Committee does indeed conduct an inquiry to extend the code of conduct, I very much hope it will examine comparable arrangements in Westminster and other legislatures. Recent elections in the UK and elsewhere have highlighted public concerns about standards, transparency and campaign conduct. While different jurisdictions have adopted different approaches, I think there's value in considering whether there are lessons that can be learned from those experiences when determining whether there is a case for change needed in Wales.</p>
<p>It will also be important for the committee to closely examine where responsibilities should sit between electoral law and the Members' code of conduct, and how any overlap or duplication can be avoided. So, I'm happy to put my party's position on record. We look forward, I hope, to the committee's work, to the recommendations it makes in due course, and to the subsequent response from Welsh Government. Diolch yn fawr.</p>
<p>Diolch, Lywydd. Bydd Llafur Cymru yn cefnogi'r cynnig hwn. Rwy'n credu ei bod yn fwyfwy amlwg o ddigwyddiadau yr wythnos hon y bydd safonau'n thema sy'n codi'n fynych yn ystod y Senedd hon, ac rwy'n credu bod hwn yn fater pwysig i ni ei ystyried. Nid yw'r cynnig sydd o'n blaenau'n ceisio newid cod ymddygiad yr Aelodau heddiw, ac nid yw'n rhagfarnu canlyniad unrhyw ddadleuon yn y dyfodol. Yn hytrach, mae'n gofyn i'r Pwyllgor Safonau Ymddygiad gynnal ymchwiliad trylwyr i ystyried a ddylai'r cod fod yn berthnasol i ymddygiad sy'n digwydd yn ystod cyfnod pan fydd unigolyn yn sefyll fel ymgeisydd mewn etholiad ar gyfer y Senedd.</p>
<p>Mae hwnnw'n gwestiwn pwysig i Senedd fodern ei ystyried. Mae hyder y cyhoedd mewn sefydliadau democrataidd yn dibynnu nid yn unig ar ymddygiad cynrychiolwyr etholedig ar ôl iddynt ddechrau yn y swydd, ond hefyd ar hyder yn uniondeb y broses etholiadol ei hun. Ar yr un pryd, rhaid i unrhyw gynnig o'r fath gael ei ddatblygu'n ofalus, yn seiliedig ar dystiolaeth ac yn gydnaws ag egwyddorion tegwch a chyfiawnder naturiol. Am y rheswm hwnnw, credwn ei bod yn iawn y dylai'r mater gael ei archwilio'n fanwl gan y pwyllgor cyn dod i unrhyw gasgliadau.</p>
<p>Os cytunir ar y cynnig a bod y Pwyllgor Safonau Ymddygiad yn cynnal ymchwiliad i ymestyn y cod ymddygiad, rwy'n gobeithio'n fawr y bydd yn archwilio trefniadau tebyg yn San Steffan a deddfwrfeydd eraill. Mae etholiadau diweddar yn y DU ac mewn mannau eraill wedi tynnu sylw at bryderon y cyhoedd am safonau, tryloywder ac ymddygiad ymgyrchu. Er bod gwahanol awdurdodaethau wedi mabwysiadu dulliau gwahanol o weithredu, rwy'n credu ei bod yn werth ystyried a oes gwersi y gellir eu dysgu o'r profiadau hynny wrth benderfynu a oes achos dros newid yng Nghymru.</p>
<p>Bydd hefyd yn bwysig i'r pwyllgor archwilio'n fanwl ble y dylai cyfrifoldebau fodoli rhwng cyfraith etholiadol a chod ymddygiad yr Aelodau, a sut y gellir osgoi unrhyw orgyffwrdd neu ddyblygu. Felly, rwy'n hapus i gofnodi safbwynt fy mhlaid. Edrychwn ymlaen, rwy'n gobeithio, at waith y pwyllgor, at yr argymhellion y mae'n eu gwneud maes o law, ac at yr ymateb dilynol gan Lywodraeth Cymru. Diolch yn fawr.</p>
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<p>The inquiry proposed under section 19 of the Senedd Cymru (Member Accountability and Elections) Act 2026 will consider whether and, if so, how the code of conduct for Members of the Senedd should apply to Members' conduct during periods when they are candidates at a Senedd election. As the Llywydd has alluded, the committee already has a substantial work programme, much of which is associated with the Act. We are currently gathering evidence in order to draft recall guidance and are considering models for appointing lay members to the committee, which must be done by November 2027. We are also eager to progress our inquiry into lobbying, which has cross-party support in this Chamber from those of us present today.</p>
<p>However, having considered the matter at our meeting on 12 October, the committee unanimously agreed with Llywydd's view that the committee, which has oversight of the code of conduct, is best placed to undertake this inquiry. I can confirm, subject to the Senedd agreeing this motion today, that the committee intends to begin work on this matter late in the spring term of 2027. Diolch yn fawr.</p>
<p>Bydd yr ymchwiliad a gynigir o dan adran 19 o Ddeddf Senedd Cymru (Atebolrwydd Aelodau ac Etholiadau) 2026 yn ystyried a ddylai'r cod ymddygiad ar gyfer Aelodau'r Senedd fod yn berthnasol i ymddygiad Aelodau yn ystod cyfnodau pan fyddant yn ymgeiswyr mewn etholiad ar gyfer y Senedd. Fel y mae'r Llywydd wedi nodi, mae gan y pwyllgor raglen waith sylweddol eisoes, ac mae llawer ohoni'n gysylltiedig â'r Ddeddf. Ar hyn o bryd rydym yn casglu tystiolaeth er mwyn drafftio canllawiau adalw ac yn ystyried modelau ar gyfer penodi aelodau lleyg i'r pwyllgor, sy'n rhaid ei wneud erbyn mis Tachwedd 2027. Rydym hefyd yn awyddus i fwrw ymlaen â'n hymchwiliad i lobïo, sydd wedi denu cefnogaeth drawsbleidiol yn y Siambr hon gan y rhai ohonom sy'n bresennol heddiw.</p>
<p>Fodd bynnag, ar ôl ystyried y mater yn ein cyfarfod ar 12 Hydref, cytunodd y pwyllgor yn unfrydol â barn y Llywydd mai'r pwyllgor, sy'n goruchwylio'r cod ymddygiad, yw'r lle gorau i gynnal yr ymchwiliad hwn. Gallaf gadarnhau, yn amodol ar dderbyn y cynnig gan y Senedd heddiw, fod y pwyllgor yn bwriadu dechrau gweithio ar y mater yn hwyr yn nhymor y gwanwyn 2027. Diolch yn fawr.</p>
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<p>Y cwestiwn yw: a ddylid derbyn y cynnig? A oes unrhyw Aelod yn gwrthwynebu? Felly, derbynnir y cynnig yn unol â Rheol Sefydlog 12.36.</p>
<p>The proposal is to agree the motion. Does any Member object? The motion is therefore agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.</p>
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<p>Derbyniwyd y cynnig yn unol â Rheol Sefydlog 12.36.<br><br></p>
<p>Motion agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.</p>
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Ferguson, Kerry
<p>Symudaf ymlaen i eitem 6, dadl ddeddfwriaethol Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv), fframwaith cynllunio ar gyfer datblygiadau chwarela. Galwaf ar Kiera Marshall i wneud y cynnig.</p>
<p>We will move now to item 6, Members legislative debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv), planning framework for quarrying developments. I call on Kiera Marshall to move the motion.</p>
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<p>Cynnig NDM9314 Kiera Marshall</p>
<p>Cefnogwyd gan Alun Cox, Anthony Slaughter, Beca Brown, Becca Martin, Carrie Harper, Donna Cushing, Elwyn Vaughan, Elyn Stephens, Gwyn Williams, Huw Thomas, Jason O'Connell, Joe Martin, John Davies, Leticia Gonzalez, Lindsay Whittle, Lis McLean, Lyn Ackerman, Mair Rowlands, Marc Jones, Matthew Jones, Mike Hedges, Niamh Salkeld, Nick Carter, Paul Rock, Safa Elhassan, Sara Crowley, Sarah Cooper-Lesadd, Sarah Rees, Sera Evans, Vikki Howells, Zaynub Akbar</p>
<p>Cynnig bod y Senedd:</p>
<p>1. Yn nodi cynnig ar gyfer Bil sy’n ei gwneud yn ofynnol i Weinidogion Cymru adolygu ac atgyfnerthu, fel y bo angen, y fframwaith cynllunio sy'n ymwneud â datblygu chwareli yng Nghymru.</p>
<p>2. Yn nodi mai diben y Bil hwn fyddai:</p>
<p>a) cyflwyno gofyniad am adolygiad o Nodyn Cyngor Technegol Mwynau 1: Agregiadau (MTAN 1) a gyhoeddwyd yn 2004, a'i effeithiolrwydd wrth amddiffyn cymunedau sy’n byw yn agos at chwareli;</p>
<p>b) ei gwneud yn ofynnol i'r adolygiad asesu digonolrwydd y mesurau diogelu presennol, gan gynnwys yr effeithiau ar yr amgylchedd, bioamrywiaeth ac iechyd y cyhoedd, a gaiff gwaith chwarel a gweithgareddau cysylltiedig sy’n agos at aneddiadau, gan roi sylw i Ddeddf Llesiant Cenedlaethau'r Dyfodol (Cymru) 2015;</p>
<p>c) cyflwyno gofyniad penodol i ystyried cynyddu’r parth clustogi rhwng aneddiadau â phob chwarel newydd a phresennol; a</p>
<p>d) ei gwneud yn ofynnol i Weinidogion Cymru gyhoeddi casgliadau'r adolygiad a'r cynigion ar gyfer atgyfnerthu amddiffyniadau cynllunio.</p>
<p>Motion NDM9314 Kiera Marshall</p>
<p>Supported by Alun Cox, Anthony Slaughter, Beca Brown, Becca Martin, Carrie Harper, Donna Cushing, Elwyn Vaughan, Elyn Stephens, Gwyn Williams, Huw Thomas, Jason O'Connell, Joe Martin, John Davies, Leticia Gonzalez, Lindsay Whittle, Lis McLean, Lyn Ackerman, Mair Rowlands, Marc Jones, Matthew Jones, Mike Hedges, Niamh Salkeld, Nick Carter, Paul Rock, Safa Elhassan, Sara Crowley, Sarah Cooper-Lesadd, Sarah Rees, Sera Evans, Vikki Howells, Zaynub Akbar</p>
<p>To propose that the Senedd:</p>
<p>1. Notes a proposal for a Bill to require the Welsh Ministers to review and strengthen as necessary the planning framework relating to quarrying developments in Wales.</p>
<p>2. Notes that the purpose of this Bill would be to:</p>
<p>a) require a review of the Minerals Technical Advice Note 1: Aggregates (MTAN 1) published in 2004, and its effectiveness in protecting communities in close proximity to quarries;</p>
<p>b) require the review to assess the adequacy of existing safeguards, including in relation to the environmental, biodiversity and public health impacts associated with quarrying and related activities in close proximity to settlements, having regard to the Well-being of Future Generations (Wales) Act 2015;</p>
<p>c) require specific consideration of increasing the buffer zone between settlements and all new and existing quarries; and</p>
<p>d) require the Welsh Ministers to publish the conclusions of the review and proposals for strengthening planning protections.</p>
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<p>Cynigiwyd y cynnig.</p>
<p>Motion moved.</p>
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Marshall, Kiera
<p>As drought was announced across Wales this summer, residents in my constituency were facing a very different crisis. Following a planned blast at Taff's Well quarry, a wave of mud, water and debris cascaded down onto the village of Gwaelod-y-garth and 13 homes had to be evacuated. Families were displaced and homes were flooded with up to 5 ft of muddy water. I immediately travelled to the village with our local Plaid Cymru councillors to offer practical support and advice, and the devastation that I witnessed that evening, just three months after I was elected, will stay with me forever.</p>
<p>In the village hall, I met a family who had just moved to Gwaelod-y-garth two weeks earlier. They were all in tears, visibly in shock, and they had no home insurance. They had just lost everything. On Heol Berry, the street that was worst affected, I spoke to a woman who had spent years raising concerns about the quarry. I'll never forget her sadness and her rage as she stood in her living room in front of me, surrounded by her ruined belongings. I won't forget the older couple that I met at 10 p.m. that evening, who were sat in their living room in ankle-deep water, in the cold, in candlelight with no electricity. In the aftermath of the flood, the field behind Heol Berry was littered with mud, debris and large rocks. I remember one resident turning to me and asking, 'What if children had been playing on that field?' The flood was devastating, but it could have been deadly.</p>
<p>For residents in Gwaelod-y-garth, the nightmare has dragged on. A month after the blast, I requested a meeting with the quarry to get answers and a resident joined me. At that meeting, we learned that blasting was about to restart imminently, before the health and safety investigation had even been completed.</p>
<p>The situation at Taff's Well quarry is unique and the fact that blasting was ever allowed there demonstrates to me that these quarry regulations are out of date. I'll ask you to take a moment to think about this setting, because Gwaelod-y-garth sits at the bottom of a mountain, and within that mountain is this big old iron mine and these massive underground lakes. Above that iron mine is a quarry that uses explosives. Residents in Gwaelod-y-Garth are now living in fear because they live below this huge body of water above their village, which is now a known risk. They're worried about what will happen when the blasting restarts, and they have no power to stop it. Since then, residents, the quarry, public bodies and elected representatives have been involved in discussions to delay blasting and improve communication.</p>
<p>I want to pay tribute to the residents who led these calls through the group Stronger Together Lesser Garth. You have shown extraordinary organisation, determination and resilience in ensuring you get the answers you deserve. It's been an honour to work alongside you all. Some of the members are here today watching in the gallery. I also want to recognise all the residents of Heol Berry and the wider village of Gwaelod-y-garth, the emergency services, the council staff, councillors, external organisations, and everyone who supported the village in their time of need. It's now on us, as Members of the Senedd, to ensure this doesn't happen again anywhere.</p>
<p>What happened in Gwaelod-y-garth raises serious questions about whether our planning framework is fit for purpose. I believe that quarry blasting rules must now be urgently reviewed to protect communities across Wales, which is why I've brought this debate forward today. It calls on the Welsh Government to review and strengthen the planning framework relating to quarrying in Wales, including the effectiveness of minerals technical advice note 1 in protecting communities living close to quarries. MTAN 1 hasn't been updated since 2004. I would have been six years old in 2004. It is completely out of date and it's time for a review.</p>
<p>There are three things I'd ask this review to address. First, the buffer zone between homes and quarry blasting. The current 200m distance for blasting is very close. To put that into perspective, it's roughly the distance to walk from the Senedd to the Wales Millennium Centre. Well before this flood even happened, constituents of mine in Gwaelod-y-garth and in Creigiau had been dealing with the impacts of living close to quarries. We have to ask ourselves if that 200m is enough to protect them.</p>
<p>Second, planning decisions should take into account the geography and geology of each place, the topography, the elevation, and the history. Because a village underneath a mountain containing old iron mines and underground lakes cannot be treated as though it were any other location. The review should establish what safeguards can ensure that those factors are properly considered in our planning framework. </p>
<p>Third, the review should consider the environmental and public health impacts of quarrying. Here I'd like to acknowledge the hard work of my fellow colleague and Senedd Member Heledd Fychan, who campaigned tirelessly for her constituents on this issue in the previous Senedd. </p>
<p>I'd also like to recognise the impact and role that quarries do play across Wales, providing thousands of jobs, supporting the construction industry, and supporting our economy. This debate isn't about opposing quarrying; it's about ensuring that industry operates safely alongside the communities that have to live with it. What happened in my constituency this summer has exposed serious flaws in our planning system, which we must learn from and ensure that communities are better protected. Diolch. </p>
<p>Wrth i sychder gael ei ddatgan ledled Cymru dros yr haf, roedd trigolion yn fy etholaeth yn wynebu argyfwng gwahanol iawn. Yn dilyn ffrwydrad wedi'i gynllunio yn chwarel Ffynnon Taf, daeth ton o fwd, dŵr a malurion i lawr ar bentref Gwaelod-y-garth a bu'n rhaid gwacáu 13 o gartrefi. Cafodd teuluoedd eu dadleoli a llifodd hyd at 5 troedfedd o ddŵr mwdlyd i mewn i gartrefi. Teithiais i'r pentref ar unwaith gyda'n cynghorwyr Plaid Cymru lleol i gynnig cymorth a chyngor ymarferol, a bydd y dinistr a welais y noson honno, gwta dri mis ar ôl cael fy ethol, yn aros gyda mi am byth.</p>
<p>Yn neuadd y pentref, cyfarfûm â theulu a oedd newydd symud i Waelod-y-garth bythefnos ynghynt. Roedd pob un ohonynt yn eu dagrau, yn amlwg mewn sioc, ac nid oedd ganddynt unrhyw yswiriant cartref. Roeddent newydd golli popeth. Ar Heol Berry, y stryd yr effeithiwyd arni waethaf, siaradais â menyw a oedd wedi treulio blynyddoedd yn codi pryderon am y chwarel. Ni wnaf anghofio ei thristwch a'i chynddaredd wrth iddi sefyll yn ei hystafell fyw o'm blaen, wedi'i hamgylchynu gan ei heiddo a ddifethwyd. Ni wnaf anghofio'r cwpl hŷn a gyfarfûm am 10 p.m. y noson honno, a oedd yn eistedd yn eu hystafell fyw mewn dŵr hyd at eu fferau, yn yr oerfel, yng ngolau cannwyll heb drydan. Yn sgil y llifogydd, roedd y cae y tu ôl i Heol Berry wedi'i orchuddio â mwd, malurion a chreigiau mawr. Rwy'n cofio un preswylydd yn troi ataf ac yn gofyn, 'Beth pe bai plant wedi bod yn chwarae ar y cae hwnnw?' Roedd y llifogydd yn ddinistriol, ond gallent fod wedi bod yn angheuol.</p>
<p>I breswylwyr yng Ngwaelod-y-garth, mae'r hunllef wedi rhygnu ymlaen. Fis ar ôl y ffrwydrad, gofynnais am gyfarfod â'r chwarel i gael atebion ac ymunodd preswylydd â mi. Yn y cyfarfod hwnnw, clywsom fod y ffrwydro ar fin ailgychwyn, cyn i'r ymchwiliad iechyd a diogelwch gael ei gwblhau hyd yn oed.</p>
<p>Mae'r sefyllfa yn chwarel Ffynnon Taf yn unigryw ac mae'r ffaith bod ffrwydro wedi'i ganiatáu yno o gwbl yn dangos i mi fod y rheoliadau chwarela hyn wedi dyddio. Gofynnaf ichi roi eiliad i feddwl am y lleoliad hwn, gan fod Gwaelod-y-garth ar odre mynydd, ac yn y mynydd hwnnw, mae hen fwynglawdd haearn mawr a llynnoedd tanddaearol enfawr. Uwchben y mwynglawdd haearn, mae chwarel sy'n defnyddio ffrwydron. Mae trigolion Gwaelod-y-garth bellach yn byw mewn ofn am eu bod yn byw o dan y corff enfawr hwn o ddŵr uwchben eu pentref, sydd bellach yn risg hysbys. Maent yn poeni ynglŷn â’r hyn a fydd yn digwydd pan fydd y ffrwydro'n ailgychwyn, ac nid oes ganddynt unrhyw bŵer i'w atal. Ers hynny, mae trigolion, y chwarel, cyrff cyhoeddus a chynrychiolwyr etholedig wedi bod yn rhan o drafodaethau i ohirio'r ffrwydro a gwella cyfathrebu.</p>
<p>Hoffwn dalu teyrnged i'r trigolion a arweiniodd y galwadau hyn drwy grŵp Stronger Together Lesser Garth. Rydych chi wedi dangos trefniadaeth, penderfynoldeb a gwydnwch rhyfeddol wrth sicrhau eich bod yn cael yr atebion rydych chi'n eu haeddu. Mae wedi bod yn anrhydedd gweithio ochr yn ochr â phob un ohonoch. Mae rhai o'r aelodau yma heddiw yn gwylio yn yr oriel. Rwyf am gydnabod holl drigolion Heol Berry hefyd a phentref ehangach Gwaelod-y-garth, y gwasanaethau brys, staff y cyngor, cynghorwyr, sefydliadau allanol, a phawb a gefnogodd y pentref yn eu hawr o angen. Mae'n ddyletswydd arnom ni nawr, fel Aelodau o'r Senedd, i sicrhau nad yw hyn yn digwydd eto yn unman.</p>
<p>Mae'r hyn a ddigwyddodd yng Ngwaelod-y-garth yn codi cwestiynau difrifol ynglŷn ag a yw ein fframwaith cynllunio'n addas i’r diben. Rwy'n credu bod yn rhaid adolygu rheolau ffrwydro chwareli ar frys nawr i ddiogelu cymunedau ledled Cymru, a dyna pam fy mod wedi cyflwyno'r ddadl hon heddiw. Mae'n galw ar Lywodraeth Cymru i adolygu a chryfhau'r fframwaith cynllunio mewn perthynas â chwarela yng Nghymru, gan gynnwys effeithiolrwydd nodyn cyngor technegol mwynau 1 (MTAN 1) yn diogelu cymunedau sy'n byw'n agos at chwareli. Nid yw MTAN 1 wedi'i ddiweddaru ers 2004. Roeddwn i'n chwech oed yn 2004. Mae wedi dyddio'n fawr, ac mae'n bryd ei adolygu.</p>
<p>Mae yna dri pheth yr hoffwn ofyn i'r adolygiad hwn fynd i'r afael â nhw. Yn gyntaf, y tir clustogi rhwng cartrefi a gweithgarwch ffrwydro chwareli. Mae'r pellter presennol o 200m ar gyfer ffrwydro yn agos iawn. I roi hynny mewn persbectif, mae'r un pellter y fras â cherdded o'r Senedd i Ganolfan Mileniwm Cymru. Ymhell cyn y llifogydd hyn hyd yn oed, roedd rhai o fy etholwyr yng Ngwaelod-y-garth ac yng Nghreigiau wedi bod yn delio ag effeithiau byw'n agos at chwareli. Rhaid inni ofyn i ni'n hunain a yw 200m yn ddigon i'w diogelu.</p>
<p>Yn ail, dylai penderfyniadau cynllunio ystyried daearyddiaeth a daeareg pob lle, y topograffi, yr uchder, a'r hanes. Oherwydd ni ellir trin pentref o dan fynydd sy'n cynnwys hen fwyngloddiau haearn a llynnoedd tanddaearol fel pe bai'n unrhyw leoliad arall. Dylai'r adolygiad sefydlu pa fesurau diogelwch a all sicrhau bod y ffactorau hynny'n cael eu hystyried yn briodol yn ein fframwaith cynllunio.</p>
<p>Yn drydydd, dylai'r adolygiad ystyried effeithiau amgylcheddol ac iechyd cyhoeddus chwarela. Yma, hoffwn gydnabod gwaith caled fy nghyd-Aelod o'r Senedd, Heledd Fychan, a ymgyrchodd yn ddiflino dros ei hetholwyr ar y mater hwn yn y Senedd flaenorol.</p>
<p>Hefyd, hoffwn gydnabod yr effaith a'r rôl y mae chwareli'n eu chwarae ledled Cymru, yn darparu miloedd o swyddi, yn cefnogi'r diwydiant adeiladu, ac yn cefnogi ein heconomi. Nid oes a wnelo'r ddadl hon â gwrthwynebu chwarela; mae'n ymwneud â sicrhau bod diwydiant yn gweithredu'n ddiogel ochr yn ochr â'r cymunedau sy'n gorfod byw gyda'r gweithgarwch hwnnw. Mae'r hyn a ddigwyddodd yn fy etholaeth yr haf hwn wedi datgelu diffygion difrifol yn ein system gynllunio y mae’n rhaid inni ddysgu ohonynt a sicrhau bod cymunedau'n cael eu diogelu'n well. Diolch.</p>
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<p>My sincere thanks to Kiera for bringing this important proposal forward today. I'm speaking on behalf of the Welsh Labour group as their spokesperson on planning, and we are very supportive of the motion before us. But I also want to speak based on the 10 years plus that I have spent representing the people of Glyncoch in this Siambr. That's my personal reason for having signed up to be a supporter of the motion before us today.</p>
<p>For Members who may be unaware, the village of Glyncoch is adjacent to the Craig-yr-Hesg quarry, which has been producing sandstone for infrastructural use since the 1880s. This has impacted significantly on the lives of people living in Glyncoch. Although planning regulations identify that buffer of 200m as being a suitable minimum distance between quarries and residential areas, that particular quarry has crept closer and closer to people's homes. The latest expansion granted in 2022 brought the working area within 142m of many houses, and just 109m from the nearest property. There was even a primary school, at that point, just 164m away. </p>
<p>Members may have seen the recent BBC news item where Glyncoch residents spoke of their homes shaking when blasting takes place, with pictures falling off walls and children being frightened. Dust is also a major issue, particularly for people with chronic lung conditions, and a real fear of small particulate matter. It's no wonder that residents are having problems there retaining the value of their homes and selling their homes. </p>
<p>When the last proposal to expand the quarry came forward, I joined residents, our local councillor Doug Williams, Rhondda Cynon Taf's planning committee, and others, to oppose it. The decision to proceed with such a seemingly ineffective buffer zone staggered us all. In opposing that expansion, I was also pleased to work with our current Trefnydd, and I think that the campaign is a good example of cross-party working, which I hope that we can maintain. </p>
<p>Turning to the proposal before us today, I would welcome the Bill proposed to safeguard our communities, and I welcome the Member's approach to MTAN 1 and to any buffer zone. We need a system that is both robust and, as Kiera has argued, flexible enough to deliver the outcomes that we need and ensure that each individual community is at the heart of that decision-making process. </p>
<p>To refer again to Craig-yr-Hesg, even though the planning regulations recommend a 200m buffer zone in principle, if this is not adhered to in practice, it is of little benefit to anyone. Even if the Welsh Government can't or won't progress a Bill—and I really hope they do—I hope that reviewing MTAN 1 is something that this Welsh Government can take up. </p>
<p>We all accept that any legislation or guidance needs periodic review to ensure that it is truly fit for purpose. That's especially the case here when the wider framework has evolved considerably. I think that the Member's particular reference to the Well-being of Future Generations (Wales) Act 2015 is key. Any review should also include a focus on environmental and biodiversity impacts. Diolch. </p>
<p>Fy niolch diffuant i Kiera am gyflwyno'r cynnig pwysig hwn heddiw. Rwy'n siarad ar ran grŵp Llafur Cymru fel eu llefarydd ar gynllunio, ac rydym yn gefnogol iawn i'r cynnig ger ein bron. Ond rwyf hefyd eisiau siarad yn seiliedig ar y 10 mlynedd a mwy a dreuliais yn cynrychioli pobl Glyn-coch yn y Siambr hon. Dyna fy rheswm personol dros gefnogi'r cynnig sydd o'n blaenau heddiw.</p>
<p>I Aelodau nad ydynt efallai'n gwybod, mae pentref Glyn-coch wrth ymyl chwarel Craig-yr-Hesg, sydd wedi bod yn cynhyrchu tywodfaen at ddefnydd seilwaith ers y 1880au. Mae hyn wedi cael effaith sylweddol ar fywydau pobl sy'n byw yng Nglyn-coch. Er bod rheoliadau cynllunio yn nodi bod y 200m o dir clustogi hwnnw'n isafswm pellter addas rhwng chwareli ac ardaloedd preswyl, mae'r chwarel benodol honno wedi dod yn agosach ac agosach at gartrefi pobl. Fe wnaeth yr ehangiad diweddaraf a ganiatawyd yn 2022 ddod â'r ardal waith o fewn 142m i lawer o dai, a chwta 109m o'r eiddo agosaf. Roedd yno ysgol gynradd hyd yn oed, gwta 164m o'r chwarel.</p>
<p>Efallai fod yr Aelodau wedi gweld yr eitem newyddion ddiweddar ar y BBC lle dywedodd trigolion Glyn-coch fod eu cartrefi'n crynu pan fo'r ffrwydro'n digwydd, gyda lluniau'n cwympo oddi ar waliau a phlant yn dychryn. Mae llwch hefyd yn broblem fawr, yn enwedig i bobl â chyflyrau cronig yr ysgyfaint, gyda deunydd gronynnol bach yn peri ofn gwirioneddol iddynt. Nid yw'n syndod fod y trigolion yn ei chael hi'n anodd cadw gwerth eu cartrefi a gwerthu eu cartrefi.</p>
<p>Pan gyflwynwyd y cynnig diwethaf i ehangu'r chwarel, ymunais â thrigolion, ein cynghorydd lleol, Doug Williams, pwyllgor cynllunio Rhondda Cynon Taf, ac eraill, i'w wrthwynebu. Cawsom oll ein synnu gan y penderfyniad i fwrw ymlaen â thir clustogi mor aneffeithiol i bob golwg. Wrth wrthwynebu'r ehangu hwnnw, roeddwn hefyd yn falch o weithio gyda'n Trefnydd presennol, ac rwy'n credu bod yr ymgyrch yn enghraifft dda o weithio trawsbleidiol, y gobeithiaf y gallwn ei gynnal.</p>
<p>Gan droi at y cynnig ger ein bron heddiw, rwy'n croesawu'r Bil a gynigiwyd i ddiogelu ein cymunedau, ac rwy'n croesawu ymagwedd yr Aelod tuag at MTAN 1 ac unrhyw dir clustogi. Mae angen system arnom sy'n gadarn, ac eto, fel y mae Kiera wedi dadlau, yn ddigon hyblyg i gyflawni'r canlyniadau sydd eu hangen arnom a sicrhau bod pob cymuned unigol yn rhan ganolog o'r broses benderfynu.</p>
<p>Gan gyfeirio unwaith eto at Graig-yr-Hesg, er bod y rheoliadau cynllunio yn argymell 200m o dir clustogi mewn egwyddor, os na lynir wrth hyn yn ymarferol, nid yw o fawr o fudd i unrhyw un. Hyd yn oed os nad yw Llywodraeth Cymru yn fodlon neu'n gallu bwrw ymlaen â Bil—ac rwy'n gobeithio'n fawr y gwnânt—gobeithio y bydd adolygu MTAN 1 yn rhywbeth y gall y Llywodraeth hon ei wneud.</p>
<p>Mae pob un ohonom yn derbyn bod angen adolygu unrhyw ddeddfwriaeth neu ganllawiau o bryd i'w gilydd i sicrhau eu bod yn wirioneddol addas i’r diben. Mae hynny'n arbennig o wir yma pan fo'r fframwaith ehangach wedi esblygu'n sylweddol. Rwy'n credu bod cyfeiriad penodol yr Aelod at Ddeddf Llesiant Cenedlaethau’r Dyfodol (Cymru) 2015 yn allweddol. Dylai unrhyw adolygiad gynnwys ffocws hefyd ar effeithiau amgylcheddol a bioamrywiaeth. Diolch.</p>
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<p>I bring a slightly different angle to this. It is important, when considering any legislative frameworks, that we recognise both our responsibility to protect communities living near quarry sites—those sites have been there for many, many years, and, in fact, much of the housing around was created for workers to attend those quarries—and the significant economic, environmental and social contribution that the quarrying industry makes to Wales. We must not overlook the positive impact that quarrying has on both our local and national economies. </p>
<p>I understand the issues that have been raised here today. It's fair to say that, during the summer, we had some concerns about dust, because it was such a hot, dry summer, and so people felt there was more dust on their cars, and so on. But these very houses were built for the quarry industry that exists in Penmaenmawr. The sector overall contributes £700 million to the Welsh economy, and it employs 3,800 people—people travelling in, often, from rural areas. Aggregates are a vital raw material used in construction, with Welsh quarried materials helping to build homes, schools and hospitals across the country. We need to support this industry.</p>
<p>As I've mentioned, I'm really proud of Penmaenmawr quarry, but I get it when the residents are feeling unhappy. They have a community liaison group, and I went forward this year, in the summer, and met with them at the quarry. I said, 'When's your next meeting? You really need to—.' And that's all been solved now. What had happened there was they were starting to use more trains, to move their product out by train, which is what we want to encourage as well. They've had a new part put in now; they were using a temporary bit. But the point is the quarry worked with the community. They experienced the day-to-day impacts of quarry operations, and the residents expect some noise, some dust and some vehicle movement.</p>
<p>We've got to strike the right balance, haven't we? The buffer zone that currently stands is 200m, and, understandably, anything that would bring that closer would worry me. However, it's also important to recognise that quarry operators are aware of these concerns and have responsibilities to monitor and manage dust emissions. Companies such as Heidelberg Materials, who operate Penmaenmawr quarry, do actively monitor dust levels. They take measures regularly to minimise the amount of dust generated. They've spent money recently on a water bowser to spray water across the site. They don't want to annoy those residents.</p>
<p>Will the Cabinet Minister commit to working with our quarry industry and operators? Maybe there's a way around this, where there might have to be some regulations brought in, but certainly nothing that would impinge and cause these quarries to close. We don't want to be in a situation where we're importing these kinds of materials. Penmaenmawr quarry has one of the seams in Wales that's the hardest rock in the world. Thank you.</p>
<p>Mae gennyf ymagwedd ychydig yn wahanol at hyn. Mae'n bwysig, wrth ystyried unrhyw fframweithiau deddfwriaethol, ein bod yn cydnabod ein cyfrifoldeb i ddiogelu cymunedau sy'n byw ger safleoedd chwarela—mae'r safleoedd hynny wedi bod yno ers blynyddoedd lawer, ac mewn gwirionedd, crëwyd llawer o'r tai cyfagos er mwyn i weithwyr allu cyrraedd y chwareli hynny—a'r cyfraniad economaidd, amgylcheddol a chymdeithasol sylweddol y mae'r diwydiant chwarela yn ei wneud i Gymru. Rhaid inni beidio ag anwybyddu'r effaith gadarnhaol y mae chwareli'n ei chael ar ein heconomïau lleol a chenedlaethol.</p>
<p>Rwy'n deall y materion a godwyd yma heddiw. Mae'n deg dweud, yn yr haf, ein bod wedi clywed pryderon ynghylch llwch am ein bod wedi cael haf mor boeth a sych, ac felly roedd pobl yn teimlo bod mwy o lwch ar eu ceir ac ati. Ond adeiladwyd yr union dai hyn ar gyfer y diwydiant chwarela sy'n bodoli ym Mhenmaenmawr. Mae'r sector cyfan yn cyfrannu £700 miliwn at economi Cymru, ac mae'n cyflogi 3,800 o bobl—pobl sy'n teithio i mewn, yn aml, o ardaloedd gwledig. Mae agregau'n ddeunydd crai hanfodol a ddefnyddir yn y diwydiant adeiladu, gyda deunyddiau a chwarelwyd yng Nghymru yn helpu i adeiladu cartrefi, ysgolion ac ysbytai ledled y wlad. Mae angen inni gefnogi'r diwydiant hwn.</p>
<p>Fel y soniais, rwy'n falch iawn o chwarel Penmaenmawr, ond rwy’n deall pan fydd y trigolion yn teimlo'n anhapus. Mae ganddynt grŵp cyswllt cymunedol, ac yn ystod yr haf eleni euthum i gyfarfod â nhw yn y chwarel. Gofynnais, 'Pryd mae eich cyfarfod nesaf? Mae gwir angen i chi—'. Ac mae hynny oll wedi'i ddatrys nawr. Yr hyn a ddigwyddodd yno oedd eu bod yn dechrau defnyddio mwy o drenau, i fynd â'u cynnyrch allan ar y trên, sy'n rhywbeth rydym eisiau ei annog hefyd. Mae ganddynt ddarn newydd wedi'i osod bellach; roeddent yn defnyddio darn dros dro. Ond y pwynt yw bod y chwarel wedi gweithio gyda'r gymuned. Roeddent yn profi effeithiau dyddiol gweithgarwch y chwarel, ac mae'r trigolion yn disgwyl rhywfaint o sŵn, rhywfaint o lwch a rhywfaint o symud cerbydau.</p>
<p>Rhaid inni daro'r cydbwysedd cywir, onid oes? Mae'r tir clustogi yn 200m ar hyn o bryd, ac yn ddealladwy, byddai unrhyw beth a fyddai'n dod â hynny'n agosach yn fy mhoeni. Fodd bynnag, mae hefyd yn bwysig cydnabod bod gweithredwyr chwareli'n ymwybodol o'r pryderon hyn a bod ganddynt gyfrifoldebau i fonitro a rheoli allyriadau llwch. Mae cwmnïau fel Heidelberg Materials, sy'n gweithredu chwarel Penmaenmawr, yn mynd ati'n weithredol i fonitro lefelau llwch. Maent yn rhoi camau ar waith yn rheolaidd i gadw'r lefelau llwch a gynhyrchir mor isel â phosibl. Maent wedi gwario arian yn ddiweddar ar dancer dŵr i chwistrellu dŵr dros y safle. Nid ydynt eisiau digio'r trigolion.</p>
<p>A wnaiff y Gweinidog Cabinet ymrwymo i weithio gyda'n diwydiant a'n gweithredwyr chwareli? Efallai fod ffordd o amgylch hyn, lle gallai fod yn rhaid cyflwyno rhai rheoliadau, ond yn sicr, dim byd a fyddai'n amharu ar y chwareli hyn ac yn peri iddynt gau. Nid ydym eisiau bod mewn sefyllfa lle rydym yn mewnforio'r mathau hyn o ddeunyddiau. Mae gan chwarel Penmaenmawr un o'r gwythiennau yng Nghymru sydd â'r graig galetaf yn y byd. Diolch.</p>
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<p>Diolch i Kiera am gyflwyno dadl mor bwysig.</p>
<p>Thank you to Kiera for bringing forward such an important debate.</p>
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<p>Many Members will remember the long-running campaign—and thank you to Vikki for mentioning it—regarding the Craig-yr-Hesg quarry in Glyncoch, led by local residents and community campaigners and championed by my colleague Heledd Fychan during the last Senedd term. Craig-yr-Hesg is a powerful example of why MTAN 1 is no longer fit for purpose. It is a case that shows just how harsh the consequences of the current guidance can be for local communities. For the people of Glyncoch, those consequences are felt every day in their homes, on their streets and in their quality of life.</p>
<p>When planning permission was originally granted, local people were told that extraction of mineral operations at the site would end on 31 December 2022, followed by restoration and aftercare work. That was the promise that was made to the community, but it was a promise that was broken. Instead, applications were submitted to extend both the area being quarried and the life of the quarry itself. More than 400 objections were logged by local residents, Pontypridd Town Council and elected representatives. The arguments were so compelling that Rhondda Cynon Taf County Borough Council planning committee rejected both applications because of concerns about the impact of the blasting on people's health and well-being.</p>
<p>For a while, it looked as though the people of Glyncoch had done everything that had been asked of them: they'd organised, campaigned, attended meetings, submitted objections, and they made their case. But then came the appeal, and, ultimately, the decision to allow the quarry to continue. Local people were left asking why their concerns and lived experience were ignored. They brought photographs showing cracks appearing in walls. They spoke about the shock of blasting rattling their homes. They described dust settling on cars, windows and garden furniture. They spoke about the constant movement of heavy vehicles through the village and the loss of green space that had been part of this community life for years. They were not speaking as experts, they were speaking as people who lived there. Yet, again and again, they found themselves up against reports, consultants and legal arguments that cost more than most families could ever afford to spend. This is what troubles me most about the current system: when the ability to be heard depends on who can afford the most expensive legal team, communities start the process at a disadvantage, before a single argument has ever been made. People should not have to commission their own experts to prove what they experience every day in the place they call home. I spoke to somebody this morning who said there was even dust on someone's mantelpiece. For too long, our natural resources have been exploited while communities have been expected to bear the consequences. For too long, people have felt ignored. Enough is enough. Too many communities have felt voiceless and powerless for so long. We owe it to them to have a planning system that works with them and not against them.</p>
<p>And I'd like to put on record, actually, that today we've only got four of us out of six, and we should have six debating such important things in our own communities. And we also lost a question for Pontypridd Cynon Merthyr earlier as well about skilled workers. So, I would like that on the record, that that is absolutely not good enough for my constituents, whoever they voted for in May. That's not good enough. That is why I'm going to support this motion. Diolch yn fawr.</p>
<p>Bydd llawer o'r Aelodau'n cofio'r ymgyrch hirhoedlog—a diolch i Vikki am ei chrybwyll—ynghylch chwarel Craig-yr-Hesg yng Nglyn-coch, a arweiniwyd gan drigolion lleol ac ymgyrchwyr cymunedol ac a hyrwyddwyd gan fy nghyd-Aelod Heledd Fychan yn ystod tymor y Senedd ddiwethaf. Mae chwarel Craig-yr-Hesg yn enghraifft bwerus o pam nad yw MTAN 1 yn addas i’r diben mwyach. Mae'n achos sy'n dangos pa mor llym y gall canlyniadau'r canllawiau presennol fod i gymunedau lleol. I bobl Glyn-coch, mae'r canlyniadau hynny i'w teimlo bob dydd yn eu cartrefi, ar eu strydoedd ac yn ansawdd eu bywyd.</p>
<p>Pan roddwyd caniatâd cynllunio yn wreiddiol, dywedwyd wrth y bobl leol y byddai gweithgarwch echdynnu mwynau ar y safle yn dod i ben ar 31 Rhagfyr 2022, wedi'i ddilyn gan waith adfer a gofal ôl-weithredol. Dyna oedd yr addewid a wnaed i'r gymuned, ond roedd yn addewid a dorrwyd. Yn hytrach, cyflwynwyd ceisiadau i ymestyn yr ardal a oedd yn cael ei chwarela a bywyd y chwarel ei hun. Cofnodwyd mwy na 400 o wrthwynebiadau gan drigolion lleol, Cyngor Tref Pontypridd a chynrychiolwyr etholedig. Roedd y dadleuon mor gymhellol fel bod pwyllgor cynllunio Cyngor Bwrdeistref Sirol Rhondda Cynon Taf wedi gwrthod y ddau gais oherwydd pryderon ynghylch effaith y ffrwydradau ar iechyd a lles pobl.</p>
<p>Am gyfnod, edrychai fel pe bai pobl Glyn-coch wedi gwneud popeth y gofynnwyd iddynt ei wneud: roeddent wedi trefnu, ymgyrchu, mynychu cyfarfodydd, cyflwyno gwrthwynebiadau, a dadlau eu hachos. Ond yna daeth yr apêl, ac yn y pen draw, y penderfyniad i ganiatáu i'r chwarel barhau. Gofynnodd pobl leol pam y cafodd eu pryderon a'u profiadau bywyd eu hanwybyddu. Daethant â ffotograffau'n dangos craciau'n ymddangos mewn waliau. Fe wnaethant siarad am sioc y ffrwydradau yn ysgwyd eu cartrefi. Fe wnaethant ddisgrifio'r llwch yn setlo ar geir, ffenestri a dodrefn gardd. Fe wnaethant siarad am symudiad cyson cerbydau trwm drwy'r pentref a cholli mannau gwyrdd a oedd wedi bod yn rhan o fywyd y gymuned hon ers blynyddoedd. Nid oeddent yn siarad fel arbenigwyr, roeddent yn siarad fel pobl a oedd yn byw yno. Serch hynny, dro ar ôl tro, bu'n rhaid iddynt fynd benben ag adroddiadau, ymgynghorwyr a dadleuon cyfreithiol a oedd yn costio mwy nag y gallai'r rhan fwyaf o deuluoedd ei fforddio. Dyma sy'n fy mhoeni fwyaf am y system bresennol: pan fo'r gallu i gael eu clywed yn dibynnu ar bwy sy'n gallu fforddio'r tîm cyfreithiol drytaf, mae cymunedau'n dechrau'r broses dan anfantais, cyn i unrhyw ddadl gael ei chyflwyno. Ni ddylai pobl orfod comisiynu eu harbenigwyr eu hunain i brofi'r hyn y maent yn ei brofi bob dydd yn y lle y maent yn ei alw'n gartref. Siaradais â rhywun y bore yma a ddywedodd fod llwch ar silff ben tân rhywun hyd yn oed. Am ormod o amser, mae ein hadnoddau naturiol wedi cael eu hecsbloetio tra bo disgwyl i gymunedau fyw gyda'r canlyniadau. Am ormod o amser, mae pobl wedi teimlo eu bod wedi'u hanwybyddu. Digon yw digon. Mae gormod o gymunedau wedi teimlo nad oes ganddynt lais ac yn ddi-rym ers cymaint o amser. Ein dyletswydd iddynt yw cael system gynllunio sy'n gweithio gyda nhw ac nid yn eu herbyn.</p>
<p>A hoffwn gofnodi mai dim ond pedwar allan o chwech ohonom sydd gennym heddiw, a dylai fod chwech ohonom yn trafod pethau mor bwysig yn ein cymunedau ein hunain. Ac fe wnaethom golli cwestiwn ar ran Pontypridd Cynon Merthyr yn gynharach hefyd ynglŷn â gweithwyr medrus. Felly, hoffwn gofnodi hynny, nad yw hynny'n ddigon da o gwbl i'm hetholwyr, pwy bynnag y gwnaethant bleidleisio drostynt ym mis Mai. Nid yw hynny'n ddigon da. Dyna pam y byddaf yn cefnogi'r cynnig hwn. Diolch yn fawr.</p>
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<p>I thank Kiera Marshall for bringing forward this proposal. I was pleased to add my name to it as a supporter. On 30 July, as we've heard, an ordinary afternoon in Gwaelod-y-garth changed within moments. That blast at Taff's Well quarry displaced a substantial volume of water from the historic mine workings. A torrent of water, mud and debris surged into the village. Residents watched it force its way into their homes. Neighbours and emergency services helped people to safety, while families were forced to leave homes around which they had built their lives.</p>
<p>And months later, residents are still living with the consequences. Floors, walls and possessions can eventually be replaced, but restoring a sense of safety is much harder. Residents have told us about the anxiety caused by heavy rainfall, including what we saw a few weeks ago, the prospect of further blasting, and the continuing wait for answers. A home should be the place where people feel safest. For many in Gwaelod-y-garth, that security was taken from them on 30 July. We recognise their trauma.</p>
<p>I'd like to pay tribute to those residents, and it's great to see so many familiar faces in the public gallery. I'd like to credit them for their resilience, their dignity and the courage they've shown, on the day itself and in the weeks and months afterwards. It's been a pleasure to get to know you, even in these difficult circumstances.</p>
<p>Recovery cannot be measured only by the mud cleared and the buildings repaired, it must also mean practical support, clear answers, open communication and confidence that every lesson will be learnt. Our support for the community must continue for as long as it's needed. Since the incident, I've met: affected residents; the Stronger Together Lesser Garth group; Breedon, the quarry owner; the Health and Safety Executive; and Natural Resources Wales. It's been great to work closely with Kiera and her office and also work closely with Alex Barros-Curtis MP, across party lines.</p>
<p>This proposal is a proportionate and even-handed one. It requires Welsh Government to examine the evidence, consider whether existing protections remain adequate, and publish its findings. But it also does not assume that a framework written more than two decades ago remains sufficient. MTAN 1 was published in 2004—I won't tell you how old I was—before the Well-being of Future Generations (Wales) Act 2015 came into effect. So, it's reasonable, I think, to assess it against current evidence and our present understanding on environmental risk, public health and community well-being. The review, yes, should consider buffer zones, but must also look beyond distance, at environmental and biodiversity impacts, older permissions and successive variations, and how information is communicated to neighbouring communities.</p>
<p>The quarrying industry will rightly contribute evidence about local conditions and the supply of essential materials. That evidence, of course, should be carefully considered. I acknowledge the point made by Janet Finch-Saunders. I'm the grandson of a slate quarryman, my father grew up in a house that was literally the distance across this Chamber from a quarry boundary. But the central test now must surely be whether the planning framework provides communities living alongside these sites with adequate protection. Alex Barros-Curtis in Westminster has proposed considering a transparent risk-rating framework for quarries near legacy mine infrastructure. The coal tip system cannot just be copied, but I think its principles of transparency, accountability and accessible public information should inform this work. Residents are asking for evidence, openness and confidence that lessons will be learnt. The health and safety investigation must establish what happened on 30 July. This motion addresses our next responsibility, ensuring that the planning framework offers communities the strongest protection justified by the evidence. I'm pleased to support it. Diolch yn fawr.</p>
<p>Diolch i Kiera Marshall am gyflwyno'r cynnig hwn. Roeddwn yn falch o ychwanegu fy enw ato fel cefnogwr. Ar 30 Gorffennaf, fel y clywsom, newidiodd prynhawn cyffredin yng Ngwaelod-y-garth o fewn eiliadau. Symudodd y ffrwydrad yn chwarel Ffynnon Taf lif sylweddol o ddŵr o'r gweithfeydd mwyngloddio hanesyddol. Llifodd llifeiriant o ddŵr, mwd a malurion i'r pentref. Fe'i gwyliwyd gan drigolion yn gwthio'i ffordd i mewn i'w cartrefi. Helpodd cymdogion a gwasanaethau brys bobl i ddiogelwch, tra bo teuluoedd wedi gorfod gadael cartrefi yr oeddent wedi adeiladu eu bywydau o'u cwmpas.</p>
<p>A fisoedd yn ddiweddarach, mae trigolion yn dal i fyw gyda'r canlyniadau. Gellir ailosod lloriau a waliau a chael eiddo newydd yn y pen draw, ond mae'n llawer anos adfer ymdeimlad o ddiogelwch. Mae trigolion wedi dweud wrthym am y pryder a achosir gan law trwm, yn cynnwys yr hyn a welsom ychydig wythnosau yn ôl, y posibilrwydd o ffrwydradau pellach, a'r aros parhaus am atebion. Eu cartref yw'r fan lle y dylai pobl deimlo'n fwyaf diogel. I lawer yng Ngwaelod-y-garth, cawsant eu hamddifadu o'r diogelwch hwnnw ar 30 Gorffennaf. Rydym yn cydnabod eu trawma.</p>
<p>Hoffwn dalu teyrnged i'r trigolion hynny, ac mae'n wych gweld cymaint o wynebau cyfarwydd yn yr oriel gyhoeddus. Hoffwn eu canmol am eu gwydnwch, eu hurddas a'r dewrder a ddangoswyd ganddynt, ar y diwrnod ei hun ac yn yr wythnosau a'r misoedd canlynol. Mae wedi bod yn bleser dod i'ch adnabod, hyd yn oed yn yr amgylchiadau anodd hyn.</p>
<p>Ni ellir mesur adferiad yn ôl y mwd a gliriwyd a'r adeiladau a atgyweiriwyd yn unig, rhaid iddo hefyd olygu cymorth ymarferol, atebion clir, cyfathrebu agored a hyder y bydd pob gwers yn cael ei dysgu. Rhaid i'n cymorth i'r gymuned barhau cyhyd ag y bo angen. Ers y digwyddiad, rwyf wedi cyfarfod â'r canlynol: trigolion yr effeithiwyd arnynt; grŵp Stronger Together Lesser Garth; Breedon, perchnogion y chwarel; yr Awdurdod Gweithredol Iechyd a Diogelwch; a Cyfoeth Naturiol Cymru. Mae wedi bod yn wych gweithio'n agos gyda Kiera a'i swyddfa a gweithio'n agos hefyd gyda'r Aelod Seneddol Alex Barros-Curtis, ar draws y pleidiau.</p>
<p>Mae'r cynnig hwn yn un cymesur a theg. Mae'n ei gwneud yn ofynnol i Lywodraeth Cymru archwilio'r dystiolaeth, ystyried a yw'r amddiffyniadau presennol yn parhau i fod yn ddigonol, a chyhoeddi eu canfyddiadau. Ond nid yw'n tybio chwaith fod fframwaith a ysgrifennwyd dros ddau ddegawd yn ôl yn dal i fod yn ddigon. Cyhoeddwyd MTAN 1 yn 2004—nid wyf am ddweud wrthych faint oedd fy oedran i—cyn i Ddeddf Llesiant Cenedlaethau’r Dyfodol (Cymru) 2015 ddod i rym. Felly, rwy'n credu ei bod yn rhesymol ei asesu yn erbyn tystiolaeth gyfredol a'n dealltwriaeth bresennol o risg amgylcheddol, iechyd cyhoeddus a lles cymunedol. Dylai'r adolygiad ystyried tir clustogi, dylai, ond rhaid iddo edrych y tu hwnt i bellter hefyd, ar effeithiau amgylcheddol a bioamrywiaeth, caniatadau hŷn ac amrywiadau olynol, a sut y caiff gwybodaeth ei chyfleu i gymunedau cyfagos.</p>
<p>Bydd y diwydiant chwarela'n cyfrannu tystiolaeth, yn gywir ddigon, am amodau lleol a chyflenwad deunyddiau hanfodol. Dylid ystyried y dystiolaeth honno'n ofalus, wrth gwrs. Rwy'n cydnabod y pwynt a wnaed gan Janet Finch-Saunders. Rwy'n ŵyr i chwarelwr llechi, tyfodd fy nhad i fyny mewn tŷ a oedd yn llythrennol yr un pellter o ffin chwarel ag ar draws y Siambr hon. Ond yn sicr, y prawf hollbwysig nawr yw a yw'r fframwaith cynllunio'n darparu diogelwch digonol i gymunedau sy'n byw ochr yn ochr â'r safleoedd hyn. Mae Alex Barros-Curtis yn San Steffan wedi cynnig ystyried fframwaith graddio risg tryloyw ar gyfer chwareli ger seilwaith mwyngloddio etifeddol. Ni ellir mynd ati'n syml i gopïo'r system domenni glo, ond rwy'n credu y dylai ei hegwyddorion o ran tryloywder, atebolrwydd a gwybodaeth gyhoeddus hygyrch lywio'r gwaith hwn. Mae trigolion yn gofyn am dystiolaeth, agwedd agored a hyder y bydd gwersi'n cael eu dysgu. Rhaid i'r ymchwiliad iechyd a diogelwch sefydlu beth a ddigwyddodd ar 30 Gorffennaf. Mae'r cynnig hwn yn mynd i'r afael â'n cyfrifoldeb nesaf, sef sicrhau bod y fframwaith cynllunio'n cynnig y diogelwch cryfaf i gymunedau y mae'r dystiolaeth yn ei gyfiawnhau. Rwy'n falch o'i gefnogi. Diolch yn fawr.</p>
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<p>Ac yn olaf, Lis McLean.</p>
<p>Finally, Lis McLean.</p>
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<p>Diolch, Lywydd. Mae angen adolygu MTAN 1 ar frys. Dydy'r fframwaith cynllunio presennol ddim yn diogelu cartrefi pobl rhag effeithiau chwarela a ffrwydro. Cyn yr etholiad, mi wnes i fynd mas gyda Heledd Fychan i edrych ar Craig-yr-Hesg, a ges i sioc ofnadwy i weld pa mor agos oedd y <em>quarry </em>yna i'r tai; roedd e wir wedi bwrw fi. Ac roeddwn i wir yn teimlo ar y pryd—sut mae pobl yn gorfod byw gyda hwn yn eu cymuned nhw? Roedd e mor drawiadol. Wrth ganfasio ar yr ystad, roedd Heledd wedi cael ei gwahodd i mewn i gartrefi pobl i weld y niwed diweddaraf oedd wedi digwydd yn eu tai nhw, achos maen nhw'n cael cymaint o niwed, a pobl yn siarad am eu hiechyd hefyd wrth inni gyfathrebu gyda nhw.</p>
<p>Roedd e wir yn drawiadol, ac roeddwn i'n teimlo, beth sy'n iawn am ddisgwyl i gymunedau fyw dan yr amodau hyn? Pam mae chwareli yn cael gweithredu mor agos at gartrefi pobl, a pham ddylai trigolion orfod dioddef y risgiau i'w hiechyd a'u diogelwch? Dyna sut roeddwn i'n teimlo. So, mae MTAN 1—. Dylai hyn fod yn isafswm pellter, y 200m yma. Mae e bendant yn agosach na 200m. </p>
<p>Thank you, Llywydd. We need to review MTAN 1 as a matter of urgency. The current planning framework doesn't safeguard people's homes from the impacts of quarrying and blasting. Before the election, I went out with Heledd Fychan to look at Craig-yr-Hesg, and I was shocked to see how close that quarry was to the homes; it really struck me. And I really felt at that time—how can people live with this within their community? It was that striking. In canvassing on the estate, Heledd was invited into people's homes to see the latest damage that had occurred to their homes, because they do suffer so much damage, and people were also talking about their health as we spoke to them.</p>
<p>It really was striking, and I felt, what's right about expecting communities to live under these conditions? Why can quarries operate so close to people's homes, and why should residents have to suffer the risks to their health and safety? That's how I felt at the time. So, MTAN 1—. This should be a minimum distance, this 200m buffer zone. It is certainly less than that.</p>
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<p>I can tell you that—I was there.</p>
<p>Gallaf ddweud hynny wrthych—roeddwn i yno.</p>
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<p>Dwi'n gwybod. Wrth ystyried estyniad i chwarel Craig-yr-Hesg, cododd cyngor Rhondda Cynon Taf gwestiynau am weithrediadau o fewn 200m i ddatblygiadau sensitif, yr angen am y swm arfaethedig o gerrig ac a oedd modd eu cael o rywle arall. Er gwaethaf y pryderon hyn, rhoddwyd caniatâd i'r chwarel ymestyn. Mae trigolion wedi disgrifio eu tai yn ysgwyd, craciau'n ymddangos a phryderon am eu sylfeini. Ond mae'n anodd profi bod ffrwydrad penodol wedi achosi difrod penodol. Ar hyn o bryd, mae'r baich ar berchnogion tai i brofi'r difrod ar ôl iddo ddigwydd. Mae'n rhy hwyr. Dylai'r system gynllunio sefydlu'r dystiolaeth a'r mesurau diogelu ymlaen llaw.</p>
<p>Felly, dylai MTAN 1 diwygiedig ei gwneud yn ofynnol i gynnal arolygon strwythurol annibynnol; i sicrhau monitro dirgryniadau annibynnol, gyda chanlyniadau'n cael eu cyhoeddi'n dryloyw a lefelau sbarduno clir ar gyfer ymchwilio; sicrhau bod trigolion yn cael asesiadau proffesiynol am ddim ac atgyweiriadau neu atal gwaith pan ddarganfyddir craciau annisgwyl; a phennu parthau clustogi, <em>buffer zones, </em>ar sail risg, gan ystyried daeareg, dyluniad, ffrwydradau a thopograffi.</p>
<p>Mae Llywodraeth Cymru wedi canolbwyntio ar amodau cynllunio, monitro a gorfodi, ond mae hynny'n gofyn a gafodd yr amodau eu torri ar ôl i'r niwed ddigwydd. Mae cymunedau yn gofyn cwestiwn pwysicach: a oedd y mesurau diogelu'n ddigonol yn y lle cyntaf? Os nad yw'r rheolau presennol yn gweithio i'n cymunedau, mae angen gwrando ar ein cymunedau a newid y system. Dŷn ni yma i wasanaethu'r bobl, nid iddyn nhw ein gwasanaethu ni. Mae gan bawb hawl i deimlo'n ddiogel yn eu cartref. Rhaid i ni flaenoriaethu iechyd, diogelwch a lles ein cymunedau dros elw masnachol, a dyna pam dwi'n cefnogi'r cynnig.</p>
<p>I know. In considering an extension to Craig-yr-Hesg quarry, Rhondda Cynon Taf council raised questions about the operations within 200m of sensitive development, the need for the proposed number of rocks and whether it could be delivered from elsewhere. Despite these concerns, consent was given for the extension of the quarry. Residents have described their homes shaking, cracks appearing and concerns about the foundations. But it's difficult to prove that a particular blast caused particular damage. At the moment, the burden is on home owners to prove that the damage was caused by the blasting after it's happened, when it's too late. The planning system should establish the evidence beforehand.</p>
<p>Therefore, a revised MTAN 1 should make it a requirement to hold independent structural reviews; to ensure independent monitoring of tremors, with results published transparently and trigger levels for investigating; to ensure that residents get professional free assessments and remedial work or the prevention of work when unexpected cracks are discovered; and to designate buffer zones on the basis of risk, taking into account geology, blasting and topography.</p>
<p>The Welsh Government has focused on planning conditions, monitoring and enforcement, but that poses the question whether the conditions were breached once the damage had been done. Communities are asking a more important question: were the safeguarding measures adequate in the first instance? If the current rules don't work for our communities, then we need to listen to those communities and change the system. We are here to serve the people, not for them to serve us. Everyone has a right to feel safe in their home. We must prioritise health, safety and the well-being of our communities over commercial profits, and that is why I'm supporting this motion.</p>
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<p>Diolch. Galwaf ar y Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio, Siân Gwenllian.</p>
<p>Thank you. I call on the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning, Siân Gwenllian.</p>
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<p>Diolch yn fawr iawn, Ddirprwy Lywydd, a diolch i Kiera Marshall am gyflwyno'r cynnig deddfwriaethol hwn, ac i'r Aelodau eraill sydd wedi siarad mor angerddol heddiw.</p>
<p>Yn gyntaf, hoffwn i fynegi fy nghydymdeimlad efo'r trigolion gafodd eu heffeithio gan y digwyddiad llifogydd yr haf hwn yn chwarel Ffynnon Taf. Diolch am ddod i mewn i'r Senedd heddiw i wrando ar y ddadl yma.</p>
<p>Hoffwn i hefyd fanteisio ar y cyfle i ddiolch i bawb sydd wedi cefnogi ac yn cefnogi'r gymuned yng Ngwaelod-y-garth—Kiera, yn sicr, ond hefyd Aelodau lleol eraill, cynghorwyr, yr awdurdod lleol, yr asiantaethau a'r gwasanaethau eraill hefyd. A dwi'n deall bod ymchwiliadau yn mynd rhagddynt, ac mae'n rhaid i'r rheini, rŵan, redeg eu cwrs. </p>
<p>Thank you very much, Deputy Llywydd, and thank you to Kiera Marshall for introducing this legislative proposal, and to the other Members who have spoken so passionately today.</p>
<p>First of all, I'd like to express my sympathy with the residents who were affected by the flooding incident this summer at Taff's Well quarry. Thank you for coming to the Senedd today to listen to this debate.</p>
<p>I would also like to take this opportunity to thank everyone who has supported and is supporting the community in Gwaelod-y-garth—Kiera, certainly, but also other local Members, councillors, the local authority, the agencies and the other services as well. And I understand that investigations are ongoing, and we must let them run their course. </p>
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<p>Rhaid i mi atgoffa Aelodau hefyd na fedraf i siarad am safleoedd penodol, gan y gallai hynny ragfarnu rôl Gweinidogion Cymru pe bai achos yn dod gerbron yn ddiweddarach, er enghraifft fel apêl. Ond mi allaf fynd i'r afael â'r egwyddorion polisi a'n dyheadau fel Llywodraeth i hyrwyddo datblygu cynaliadwy.</p>
<p>Dwi yn bwriadu cefnogi'r cynnig yma, ond dwi am ei wneud yn glir nad oes angen Bil i adolygu MTAN 1 nac, yn wir, i adolygu polisi yn ehangach. Mae polisi cynllunio yn seiliedig ar dystiolaeth ac yn cael ei adolygu'n rheolaidd, ac mae'r pwyslais yn fwy lleol nag y gallai ddeddfwriaeth fod. Mae polisi lleol yn gallu bod yn fwy perthnasol i'r ardal ac yn sensitif, gan adlewyrchu amgylchiadau lleol. Mae'n gallu bod yn adweithiol i newid a thystiolaeth newydd mewn ffordd nad ydy deddfwriaeth yn gallu gwneud.</p>
<p>'Polisi Cynllunio Cymru' ac MTAN 1 ydy'r prif ffynonellau polisi cynllunio cenedlaethol, ac maen nhw'n darparu canllawiau cynhwysfawr a chadarn ar reoli effeithiau chwareli. Mae'n bwysig cydnabod na ellir cymhwyso polisi newydd yn ôl-weithredol i ddatblygiadau sydd eisoes yn bodoli ac wedi cael eu caniatáu, ond fe all fod yn berthnasol i gynigion ar gyfer chwareli neu estyniadau newydd i chwareli.</p>
<p>Byddwn i gyd yn gwerthfawrogi bod mwynau yn hanfodol ar gyfer ein datblygiad economaidd parhaus. Mae chwareli yn chwarae rhan hanfodol wrth gefnogi sector adeiladu Cymru, ac yn wahanol i sectorau eraill, dim ond lle mae'r mwynau perthnasol ar gael yn y ddaear y gall ddatblygu mwynau ddigwydd. Mae hynny yn dweud y peth amlwg, efallai, ond, wrth gwrs, mae hyn weithiau yn creu tensiynau o ran lleoliad a defnydd y tir cyfagos. Ein rôl ni fel Llywodraeth ydy amddiffyn cymunedau tra'n galluogi echdynnu'r defnyddiau crai sydd eu hangen ar Gymru ar gyfer ein cartrefi, ein hysgolion a'n seilwaith. Mae'r cyflenwad cynaliadwy o fwynau ac agregau yn hanfodol i gefnogi datblygiad economaidd yng Nghymru. Rôl y system gynllunio ydy cydbwyso angen cymdeithas am fwynau yn erbyn diogelu amwynder a lles cymunedol.</p>
<p>Dwi'n gwerthfawrogi bod y materion yma yn aml yn ddadleuol iawn, ond maen nhw hefyd yn lleol iawn a dyna pam y gellir eu trin orau yn lleol drwy bolisiau priodol mewn cynlluniau datblygu lleol sy'n gallu ystyried amgylchiadau lleol. Ac wrth inni symud ymlaen, fel dwi wedi ymrwymo i'w wneud heddiw, wrth inni symud ymlaen ac adolygu ein polisi ni ar chwareli, rhaid inni fod yn ymwybodol o ymrwymiad Llywodraeth Cymru i ddarparu 20,000 o gartrefi cymdeithasol newydd. Rhaid inni sicrhau nad ydy newidiadau i barthau clustogi yn creu canlyniadau anfwriadol lle mae gwir angen cartrefi cymdeithasol newydd. Mae hynny'n golygu casglu tystiolaeth ac astudio effeithiau posib yn ofalus.</p>
<p>Ond dydy'r her yna ddim yn golygu na allwn ni symud ymlaen. Felly, dwi yn ymrwymo heddiw i archwilio'r materion sydd wedi cael eu codi yn y cynnig deddfwriaethol a'r materion sydd wedi cael eu codi heddiw gan yr Aelodau. Mi fyddaf yn gofyn i'm swyddogion gynnal galwad am dystiolaeth i archwilio'r mater yma'n fanylach, i nodi a oes newidiadau y dylid eu gwneud i MTAN 1, ac felly dwi'n eich annog chi i gyd yn y Siambr heddiw i gyfrannu at yr alwad yma, er yn cydnabod, wrth gwrs, dydy un blaid ddim hyd yn oed wedi trafferthu i ddod yma i wrando ar y ddadl bwysig yma.</p>
<p>Fe allai'r ymarfer hwnnw, yr ymarfer galw am dystiolaeth, lywio newidiadau i bolisi chwareli heb fod angen deddfwriaeth sylfaenol, gan gydnabod amcanion y Llywodraeth hon a fy hun fel Gweinidog y Cabinet sydd â chyfrifoldeb am gynllunio, sef amddiffyn cymunedau ond galluogi datblygu cynaliadwy.</p>
<p>Diolch eto i Kiera am gyflwyno'r cynnig a chodi'r materion yn y Siambr heddiw yma, a diolch i bawb am eu hamser.</p>
<p>I must also remind Members that I cannot talk about specific sites, as doing so could prejudice the role of Welsh Ministers should a case come before them later, for example in the form of an appeal. But I can address the policy principles and our aspirations as a Government to promote sustainable development.</p>
<p>I do intend to support this motion, but I wish to make it clear that there is no need for a Bill to review MTAN 1 or, indeed, to review policy more widely. Planning policy is based on evidence and is regularly reviewed, and the emphasis is more local than legislation could be. Local policy can be more relevant to the area and sensitive, reflecting local circumstances. It can be reactive to change and new evidence in a way that legislation is not. </p>
<p>'Planning Policy Wales' and MTAN 1 are the main sources of national planning policy, and they provide comprehensive and robust guidance on managing the impacts of quarrying. It's important to recognise that a new policy cannot be applied retrospectively to developments that are already operational and permitted. However, it may apply to proposals for new quarries or extensions to quarries.</p>
<p>We will all appreciate that minerals are essential for our continued economic development. Quarries play a vital role in supporting the construction sector in Wales, and unlike other sectors, it's only where relevant minerals are to be found in the earth that mineral development can occur. That is stating the obvious, perhaps, but, of course, this can create tension, sometimes in terms of location and the use of nearby land. Our role as a Government is to protect communities while enabling the extraction of the raw materials that Wales needs for our homes, our schools and our infrastructure. The sustainable supply of minerals and aggregates is essential to support economic development in Wales. The role of the planning system is to balance society's need for minerals with the protection of community amenity and well-being.</p>
<p>I appreciate that these issues are often very controversial, but they're also very local. That is why they can be best dealt with locally through appropriate policies in local development plans, which can take local circumstances into account. And as we move forward, as I've committed to do today, in reviewing our policy on quarries, we must be aware of the Welsh Government's commitment to provide 20,000 new social homes. We must ensure that changes to buffer zones don't create unintended consequences where new social homes are desperately needed. That will mean gathering evidence and studying potential impacts carefully.</p>
<p>However, this challenge doesn't mean that we can't move forward. Therefore, I commit today to explore the issues raised in the legislative proposal and the issues raised today by Members. I will be asking my officials to undertake a call for evidence to examine this matter in more detail, to identify whether there are changes that should be made to MTAN 1, and therefore I encourage you all in the Chamber today to contribute to this call, although I recognise, of course, that one party hasn't bothered to come to listen to this important debate today.</p>
<p>That exercise, the call for evidence, could inform changes to quarrying policy without the need for primary legislation, recognising the objectives of this Government and myself as Cabinet Minister with responsibility for planning, namely to protect communities but to enable sustainable development.</p>
<p>I thank Kiera once more for bringing forward this motion and raising the issues in the Chamber today, and thank you all for your time.</p>
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<p>Diolch, Weinidog Cabinet. Galwaf ar Kiera Marshall i ymateb i'r ddadl.</p>
<p>Thank you, Cabinet Minister. I call on Kiera Marshall to reply to the debate.</p>
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<p>The Llywydd (Huw Irranca-Davies) took the Chair.</p>
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<p>Diolch. I'd like to thank the Minister first for supporting the review and allowing us to have this opportunity to learn from the tragic events that did happen in Gwaelod-y-garth this summer and so we can ensure that no community in Wales is subject to devastation like that again, and I'm glad this doesn't need legislation to take place as well, and hopefully that allows us to look at it quicker.</p>
<p>I'd also like to thank all the Members today for their contributions. Vikki, thank you for your support and for raising Glyncoch, which shows that this isn't just an isolated issue in any one constituency. Janet, as well, I'd like to echo the things you said about the positive contributions that quarries can play and making sure we get that balance right between the realities of living by a quarry, but also the threats to public safety that we've seen this summer. Sara, thank you again for detailing how this review could support your constituents and empower our communities, and Lis as well for bringing up public health issues and how that burden of evidence doesn't sit fairly on communities currently. And Huw as well—thank you for all of your work in the constituency, and, as you said, the work we've done across party as well.</p>
<p>The impact of this flood is not over. Residents who were evacuated are still waiting to move into their homes—people sitting in the gallery today. When I visited last week, those homes were still empty and work hadn't even begun yet. I'd make a plea now on the record to all the insurance companies involved to please do your job, move things forward and help people get back into their homes as soon as possible. What has happened to the community of Gwaelod-y-garth has been devastating, and I really hope through this review we can ensure that this is never allowed to happen again.</p>
<p>And I'd like to finish with the words of three residents, to remind us why action is so urgent. Debi Bode: 'If the quarry starts blasting again, I will be terrified. I want the village to be safe. I want our houses to be safe.' Kevin Duncan: 'Until I have clear answers from the quarry, I will not sleep at night, and the stress and anxiety I feel will get worse and worse.' And Keith Beynon: 'Home is what you make it, and after 40 years it was gone within an hour.' Behind this motion are people who have lost their homes, their sense of security and their peace of mind. They deserve answers, they deserve to feel safe in their own village, and we must do everything we can to ensure this never happens again. So, I would urge all Members to be supporting this motion today. Diolch yn fawr.</p>
<p>Diolch. Hoffwn ddiolch i'r Gweinidog yn gyntaf am gefnogi'r adolygiad ac am roi'r cyfle hwn inni ddysgu o'r digwyddiadau trasig yng Ngwaelod-y-garth yr haf hwn ac fel y gallwn sicrhau na fydd unrhyw gymuned yng Nghymru yn dioddef dinistr o'r fath eto, ac rwy'n falch nad oes angen deddfwriaeth ar gyfer hyn, a gobeithio y bydd hynny’n ein galluogi i edrych ar y mater yn gynt.</p>
<p>Hoffwn ddiolch hefyd i'r holl Aelodau heddiw am eu cyfraniadau. Vikki, diolch am eich cefnogaeth ac am sôn am Lyn-coch, sy’n dangos nad mater ynysig mewn un etholaeth yn unig yw hwn. Janet hefyd, hoffwn adleisio'r hyn a ddywedoch chi am y cyfraniadau cadarnhaol y gall chwareli eu gwneud, a'r angen i sicrhau cydbwysedd cywir rhwng realiti byw ger chwarel a'r bygythiadau i ddiogelwch y cyhoedd a welsom yr haf hwn. Sara, diolch eto am egluro sut y gallai'r adolygiad hwn gefnogi eich etholwyr a grymuso ein cymunedau. Diolch hefyd i Lis am godi materion iechyd cyhoeddus, a'r ffaith nad yw baich y dystiolaeth yn disgyn yn deg ar y cymunedau ar hyn o bryd. A Huw hefyd—diolch am eich holl waith yn yr etholaeth, ac fel y dywedoch chi, am y gwaith a wnaethom yn drawsbleidiol yn ogystal.</p>
<p>Nid yw effaith y llifogydd hyn wedi dod i ben. Mae preswylwyr a gafodd eu symud o'u cartrefi yn dal i aros i ddychwelyd iddynt—pobl sy'n eistedd yn yr oriel heddiw. Pan ymwelais yr wythnos diwethaf, roedd y cartrefi hynny’n dal yn wag ac nid oedd gwaith wedi dechrau hyd yn oed. Hoffwn apelio nawr ar y cofnod at yr holl gwmnïau yswiriant sy'n gysylltiedig â hyn i wneud eu gwaith, i symud pethau yn eu blaenau a helpu pobl i ddychwelyd i'w cartrefi cyn gynted â phosibl. Mae'r hyn sydd wedi digwydd i gymuned Gwaelod-y-garth wedi bod yn ddinistriol, ac rwy’n gobeithio'n fawr y gallwn sicrhau drwy'r adolygiad hwn na chaniateir i hyn ddigwydd eto.</p>
<p>A hoffwn orffen gyda geiriau tri phreswylydd, i'n hatgoffa pam y mae angen gweithredu ar frys. Debi Bode: 'Os bydd y chwarel yn dechrau ffrwydro eto, bydd arswyd arnaf. Rwyf am i'r pentref fod yn ddiogel. Rwyf am i'n tai fod yn ddiogel.' Kevin Duncan: 'Nes y caf atebion clir gan y chwarel, ni fyddaf yn gallu cysgu'r nos, a bydd y straen a'r pryder a deimlaf yn gwaethygu fwyfwy.' A Keith Beynon: 'Cartref yw'r hyn a wnewch ohono, ac ar ôl 40 mlynedd, fe ddiflannodd hynny o fewn awr.' Y tu ôl i'r cynnig hwn mae pobl sydd wedi colli eu cartrefi, eu hymdeimlad o ddiogelwch a'u tawelwch meddwl. Maent yn haeddu atebion, maent yn haeddu teimlo'n ddiogel yn eu pentref eu hunain, a rhaid inni wneud popeth yn ein gallu i sicrhau na fydd hyn yn digwydd eto. Felly, rwy’n annog yr holl Aelodau i gefnogi'r cynnig hwn heddiw. Diolch yn fawr.</p>
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<p>Diolch. Y cwestiwn yw: a ddylid derbyn y cynnig? A oes unrhyw Aelod yn gwrthwynebu? [<em>Gwrthwynebiad</em>.] Oes. Felly, gohiriad y bleidlais o dan yr eitem hon tan y cyfnod pleidleisio.</p>
<p>Thank you. The proposal is to agree the motion. Does any Member object? [<em>Objection</em>.] There is objection. I will therefore defer voting under this item until voting time.</p>
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<p>Gohiriwyd y pleidleisio tan y cyfnod pleidleisio.</p>
<p>Voting deferred until voting time.</p>
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<p>Detholwyd y gwelliannau canlynol: gwelliant 1 yn enw Lynne Neagle, a gwelliant 2 yn enw Heledd Fychan. Os derbynnir gwelliant 1, caiff gwelliant 2 ei ddad-dethol.</p>
<p>The following amendments have been selected: amendment 1 in the name of Lynne Neagle, and amendment 2 in the name of Heledd Fychan. If amendment 1 is agreed, amendment 2 will be deselected.</p>
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<p>Symudwn nawr at eitem 7, dadl y Ceidwadwyr Cymreig, ymchwiliad COVID-19 Cymru. Galwaf ar Darren Millar i wneud y cynnig.</p>
<p>We will now move to item 7, the Welsh Conservatives debate on a Wales COVID-19 inquiry. I call on Darren Millar to move the motion.</p>
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<p>Cynnig NDM9345 Paul Davies</p>
<p>Cynnig bod y Senedd:</p>
<p>1. Yn credu bod pobl Cymru yn haeddu ymchwiliad llawn, annibynnol a thryloyw i'r penderfyniad a wnaed yn ystod pandemig Covid-19.</p>
<p>2. Yn nodi bod Ymchwiliad COVID-19 annibynnol yr Alban o dan arweiniad barnwyr wedi'i sefydlu'n ffurfiol ym mis Chwefror 2022.</p>
<p>3. Yn galw ar Lywodraeth Cymru i:</p>
<p>a) sefydlu ymchwiliad cyhoeddus statudol o dan arweiniad barnwyr, gyda phwerau i orfodi tystion, i'r modd yr ymdriniwyd â'r pandemig Covid-19 yng Nghymru; a</p>
<p>b) cyhoeddi'r holl ganfyddiadau ac argymhellion yn llawn.</p>
<p>Motion NDM9345 Paul Davies</p>
<p>To propose that the Senedd:</p>
<p>1. Believes that the people of Wales deserve a full, independent, and transparent investigation into the decision made during the Covid-19 pandemic.<br><br>2. Notes that the independent, judge-led Scottish COVID-19 Inquiry was formally established in February 2022.</p>
<p>3. Calls on the Welsh Government to:</p>
<p>a) establish a statutory judge-led public inquiry, with powers to compel witnesses, into the handling of the Covid-19 pandemic in Wales; and</p>
<p>b) publish all findings and recommendations in full.</p>
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<p>Cynigiwyd y cynnig.</p>
<p>Motion moved.</p>
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<p>Diolch, Lywydd. I move the motion tabled in the name of my colleague Paul Davies. I want to begin by expressing my disappointment that this debate is being answered by the Welsh Government's Cabinet Minister for government effectiveness rather than the Cabinet Minister for health. After all, this is a debate about the handling of the greatest health crisis in living memory. But of course we shouldn't be surprised, should we? Because, Llywydd, I recently came across a very powerful speech. In fact, I recall listening to it in this very Senedd Chamber. It was a speech that made the case, very powerfully if I may say so, for a full and independent Wales-specific COVID inquiry. Speaking of the UK COVID-19 inquiry, the person making the speech said, and I quote,</p>
<p>'it has been apparent for some time that the scope of the UK inquiry is simply insufficient to cover every element of how the pandemic was handled in Wales'.</p>
<p>And the speaker continued:</p>
<p>'Only a full inquiry for Wales can achieve this, and it is both a democratic and a moral imperative'—</p>
<p>let me repeat that—</p>
<p>'it is both a democratic and a moral imperative',</p>
<p>said the speaker,</p>
<p>'that the Welsh Government heeds the call in today's motion.'</p>
<p>Strong words, Llywydd, and I agree with every single one of them. And I was struck by another passage in which the speaker referred to the then Welsh Government's position. It is 'completely hypocritical', said the speaker,</p>
<p>'to insist on diverging from UK policy to strike a tailored approach to Wales on the one hand'—</p>
<p>this of course was in regard to COVID restrictions and other decisions—</p>
<p>'while ducking tailored scrutiny for the consequences of those actions on the other.'</p>
<p>I have to say, Llywydd, I couldn't have put it better myself. So, who was this passionate advocate for a full Welsh COVID inquiry? Well, of course, it was none other than Mabon ap Gwynfor, the Welsh Government's current Cabinet Minister for health, the very person who, today, is seeking to dodge scrutiny by not participating himself in answering and responding to this debate on behalf of the Government. I'm sure, however—. I'm happy to take an intervention if you want to intervene.</p>
<p>Diolch, Lywydd. Rwy'n gwneud y cynnig a gyflwynwyd yn enw fy nghyd-Aelod Paul Davies. Rwyf am ddechrau drwy fynegi fy siom fod y ddadl hon yn cael ei hateb gan Weinidog Cabinet Llywodraeth Cymru dros effeithiolrwydd llywodraeth yn hytrach na Gweinidog y Cabinet dros iechyd. Wedi'r cyfan, mae hon yn ddadl ynghylch y modd yr ymdriniwyd â'r argyfwng iechyd mwyaf o fewn cof. Ond wrth gwrs ni ddylem synnu, ddylem ni? Oherwydd, Lywydd, deuthum ar draws araith bwerus iawn yn ddiweddar. Rwy'n cofio gwrando arni yn yr union Siambr hon. Roedd yn araith a wnâi'r achos, yn bwerus iawn os caf ddweud, dros ymchwiliad COVID llawn ac annibynnol sy'n benodol i Gymru. Wrth siarad am ymchwiliad COVID-19 y DU, dywedodd y sawl a wnaeth yr araith,</p>
<p>'mae wedi bod yn amlwg ers peth amser nad yw cwmpas ymchwiliad y DU yn ddigonol i gynnwys pob elfen o'r ffordd y cafodd y pandemig ei drin yng Nghymru'.</p>
<p>A pharhaodd y siaradwr:</p>
<p>'Dim ond ymchwiliad llawn i Gymru sy'n gallu cyflawni hyn, ac mae rheidrwydd democrataidd a moesol'—</p>
<p>Gadewch i mi ailadrodd hynny—</p>
<p>'rheidrwydd democrataidd a moesol',</p>
<p>meddai'r siaradwr,</p>
<p>'ar Lywodraeth Cymru i wrando ar yr alwad yn y cynnig heddiw.'</p>
<p>Geiriau cryf, Lywydd, ac rwy'n cytuno â phob un ohonynt. Ac fe gefais fy nharo gan ran arall lle cyfeiriodd y siaradwr at safbwynt Llywodraeth Cymru ar y pryd. Mae'n 'gwbl ragrithiol', meddai'r siaradwr,</p>
<p>'mynnu ymwahanu o bolisi'r DU i ddilyn dull wedi'i deilwra ar gyfer Cymru ar y naill law'—</p>
<p>roedd hyn wrth gwrs mewn perthynas â chyfyngiadau COVID a phenderfyniadau eraill—</p>
<p>'gan osgoi craffu wedi'i deilwra ar ganlyniadau'r gweithredoedd hynny ar y llaw arall.'</p>
<p>Rhaid imi ddweud, Lywydd, ni allwn fod wedi ei roi'n well fy hun. Felly, pwy oedd y dadleuwr angerddol hwn dros ymchwiliad COVID llawn ar gyfer Cymru? Wel, neb llai na Mabon ap Gwynfor wrth gwrs, Gweinidog iechyd presennol Llywodraeth Cymru, yr union berson sydd, heddiw, yn ceisio osgoi craffu drwy beidio â chymryd rhan ei hun ac ateb ac ymateb i'r ddadl hon ar ran y Llywodraeth. Rwy'n siŵr, fodd bynnag—. Rwy'n hapus i dderbyn ymyriad os ydych chi am ymyrryd.</p>
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<p>I didn't offer.</p>
<p>Ni chynigiais wneud.</p>
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<p>No, I just saw you shaking your head. I'm sure, then, you won't mind me quoting a little bit more of your speeches, because it's important that we get these on the record. One of the other things you said in the past, Mabon, is that:</p>
<p>'The Scottish Government...recognised the potential for the UK inquiry to overlook devolved matters early on, and therefore put the interests of the public firmly before their own by establishing the Scottish COVID-19 inquiry.'</p>
<p>And you described that as this. You said:</p>
<p>'This is what proper accountability and responsible governance looks like.'</p>
<p>I agree with you, because this debate should not be about politics. It's about people. And I want to acknowledge the members of the COVID-19 Bereaved Families for Justice Cymru group, many of whom are sat in our gallery here today. Others are watching proceedings from elsewhere. These are the families who lost loved ones. They have campaigned tirelessly for answers, and they deserve our utmost respect and our support. And the promises made to them, the very promises that you, Mabon ap Gwynfor, and others on the front bench of the Government made, must be fulfilled by those who are now in a position to deliver them. Two years and eight months ago, Mabon ap Gwynfor spoke directly about them. He said, and I quote:</p>
<p>'At this point I'd like to pay tribute to the tireless campaigning of the COVID-19 Bereaved Families for Justice Cymru group.'</p>
<p>He went on:</p>
<p>'they have been clear it'—</p>
<p>the UK inquiry—</p>
<p>'cannot give them the answers nor the closure that they have been seeking for several years. The time to correct this injustice is long overdue.'</p>
<p>Llywydd, those were the words of the now Cabinet Minister for health. They were not my words. They were not the words of anybody on the Conservative benches. They were the words of the man who is now responsible for health and care in Wales. And yet today, instead of that full independent inquiry that he advocated for, along with his colleagues who are now filling the Government benches, instead of the inquiry that he and they demanded from others, that he promised to the grieving families, all his Government has actually offered is a review—a review without the statutory powers to compel witnesses to give evidence, a review that is focused on whether Wales is better prepared for the next pandemic, rather than fully investigating the decisions made during the last one.</p>
<p>So, what has changed? Well, the suffering of the bereaved families hasn't changed. It continues. Their unanswered questions haven't changed. They continue. The need for accountability hasn't changed. It continues. The only thing that has changed is that Plaid Cymru is now in Government. And in February 2024, Mabon ap Gwynfor was sitting on the opposition benches demanding an inquiry, but, in May of this year, when Plaid Cymru won the votes that they needed to be in a position to form a Government—. You've secured those votes and taken office, and that full inquiry has now been replaced by a review. I don't know how any of you on those benches can look bereaved families in the eye and explain yourselves. You can't, can you? How can you reconcile the passionate speeches that some of you delivered in this Chamber when in opposition with what you're doing now in Government? You can't. And why should families accept less accountability simply because you've changed your position and sides in this Chamber, going from opposition into Government? They shouldn't have to accept that. And that's why we believe there still needs to be a COVID-19 inquiry in Wales.</p>
<p>And let me turn to the Labour Party's amendment. I have to say, I fully agree with what it says when it says that Ministers should be referred to the independent adviser on ministerial standards to determine whether they're in breach of the ministerial code, because, of course, we know that the things that they're doing now are completely at odds with the commitments that they made before the election. But I cannot vote for your amendment in good conscience, because voting for it would delete the whole of the purpose of this debate, which is to demand the inquiry that this party promised before it got into Government. Voting for a 'delete all' amendment will absolve Plaid Cymru and the Government of the need to establish the inquiry that they promised.</p>
<p>And that's why I urge you to consider your position as Labour Party Members today. Support our motion. We know and understand and respect that you have a different position than my party on whether there needs to be an inquiry, but none of us want to see the Government dodging its responsibility to do what it promised people before the election. And that's what this debate is absolutely all about.</p>
<p>And Llywydd, if I may, I want to finish where I began, with the words of the Welsh Government's health Minister, because he concluded his speech on this very subject in the past by saying this, and I quote:</p>
<p>'We owe it to the people of Wales, and especially those who lost loved ones, to reflect on the legacy of the pandemic openly and honestly through a full independent inquiry in Wales. That is why I urge Members to support this motion.'</p>
<p>Well, Llywydd, they were his words. He's now the health Minister; he has the opportunity to deliver what he demanded of others when he was in opposition, and today I call on him and all of the people on the Government benches to honour their words, honour their promises to bereaved families, and establish the full and independent Welsh COVID inquiry that he himself said was a 'democratic and a moral imperative'. Diolch yn fawr iawn.</p>
<p>Na, ond fe'ch gwelais yn ysgwyd eich pen. Rwy'n siŵr, felly, na fydd ots gennych i mi ddyfynnu ychydig mwy o'ch areithiau, oherwydd mae'n bwysig ein bod ni'n cofnodi'r rhain. Un o'r pethau eraill a ddywedoch chi yn y gorffennol, Mabon, yw hyn:</p>
<p>'Fe wnaeth Llywodraeth yr Alban gydnabod y perygl yn gynnar...y byddai ymchwiliad y DU yn anwybyddu materion datganoledig, ac felly rhoddodd fuddiannau'r cyhoedd yn gadarn o flaen eu rhai eu hunain drwy sefydlu ymchwiliad COVID-19 yr Alban.'</p>
<p>Ac fe wnaethoch chi ddisgrifio hynny fel hyn. Fe ddywedoch chi:</p>
<p>'Dyma beth yw atebolrwydd priodol a llywodraethu cyfrifol.'</p>
<p>Rwy'n cytuno, oherwydd ni ddylai hon fod yn ddadl ynghylch gwleidyddiaeth. Mae'n ymwneud â phobl. Ac rwyf am gydnabod aelodau o'r grŵp COVID-19 Bereaved Families for Justice Cymru y mae llawer ohonynt yn eistedd yn ein horiel yma heddiw. Mae eraill yn gwylio'r trafodion o fannau eraill. Dyma'r teuluoedd a gollodd anwyliaid. Maent wedi ymgyrchu'n ddiflino am atebion, ac maent yn haeddu ein parch a'n cefnogaeth lwyraf. Ac mae'n rhaid i'r addewidion a wnaed iddynt, yr union addewidion a wnaethoch chi, Mabon ap Gwynfor, ac eraill ar fainc flaen y Llywodraeth, gael eu cyflawni gan y rhai sydd bellach mewn sefyllfa i'w cyflawni. Ddwy flynedd ac wyth mis yn ôl, siaradodd Mabon ap Gwynfor yn uniongyrchol amdanynt. Fe ddywedodd hyn:</p>
<p>'Ar y pwynt hwn, hoffwn dalu teyrnged i ymgyrchu diflino'r grŵp COVID-19 Bereaved Families for Justice Cymru.'</p>
<p>Aeth ymlaen:</p>
<p>'maent wedi bod yn glir na all'—</p>
<p>ymchwiliad y DU—</p>
<p>'roi'r atebion iddynt, na'r clo y maent wedi bod yn ei geisio ers sawl blwyddyn. Mae'n hen bryd cywiro'r anghyfiawnder hwn.'</p>
<p>Lywydd, dyna oedd geiriau Gweinidog iechyd y Cabinet erbyn hyn. Nid fy ngeiriau i oeddynt. Nid geiriau unrhyw un ar feinciau'r Ceidwadwyr oeddent. Dyma eiriau'r dyn sydd bellach yn gyfrifol am iechyd a gofal yng Nghymru. Ac eto heddiw, yn hytrach na'r ymchwiliad annibynnol llawn hwnnw y dadleuai drosto, ynghyd â'i gyd-Aelodau sydd bellach yn llenwi meinciau'r Llywodraeth, yn hytrach na'r ymchwiliad a fynnai ef a hwythau gan eraill, ymchwiliad yr oedd wedi ei addo i'r teuluoedd sy'n galaru, y cyfan y mae ei Lywodraeth wedi'i gynnig mewn gwirionedd yw adolygiad—adolygiad heb bwerau statudol i orfodi tystion i roi tystiolaeth, adolygiad sy'n canolbwyntio ar weld a yw Cymru wedi paratoi'n well ar gyfer y pandemig nesaf, yn hytrach nag ymchwilio'n llawn i'r penderfyniadau a wnaed yn ystod yr un diwethaf.</p>
<p>Felly, beth sydd wedi newid? Wel, nid yw dioddefaint y teuluoedd mewn profedigaeth wedi newid. Mae'n parhau. Nid yw eu cwestiynau wedi newid. Maent yn parhau. Nid yw'r angen am atebolrwydd wedi newid. Mae'n parhau. Yr unig beth sydd wedi newid yw bod Plaid Cymru bellach yn Llywodraeth. Ac ym mis Chwefror 2024, roedd Mabon ap Gwynfor yn eistedd ar feinciau'r wrthblaid yn mynnu ymchwiliad, ond ym mis Mai eleni, pan enillodd Plaid Cymru y pleidleisiau yr oeddent eu hangen i allu ffurfio Llywodraeth—. Fe gawsoch chi'r pleidleisiau hynny a dod i rym, a bellach daeth adolygiad i gymryd lle'r ymchwiliad llawn hwnnw. Nid wyf yn gwybod sut y gall unrhyw un ohonoch ar y meinciau hynny edrych i lygaid y teuluoedd mewn profedigaeth ac egluro eich rhesymau. Ni allwch, allwch chi? Sut y gallwch chi gysoni'r areithiau angerddol a gyflwynodd rhai ohonoch yn y Siambr hon fel gwrthblaid â'r hyn rydych chi'n ei wneud nawr fel Llywodraeth? Ni allwch. A pham y dylai teuluoedd dderbyn llai o atebolrwydd ddim ond am eich bod chi wedi newid eich ochr yn y Siambr hon, gan fynd o fod yn wrthblaid i fod yn Llywodraeth? Ni ddylent orfod derbyn hynny. A dyna pam ein bod ni'n credu bod angen ymchwiliad COVID-19 yng Nghymru o hyd.</p>
<p>A gadewch imi droi at welliant y Blaid Lafur. Rhaid imi ddweud, rwy'n cytuno'n llwyr â'r hyn y mae'n ei ddweud pan fo'n dweud y dylid cyfeirio Gweinidogion at y cynghorydd annibynnol ar safonau gweinidogol i benderfynu a ydynt yn torri'r cod gweinidogol, oherwydd, wrth gwrs, fe wyddom fod y pethau y maent yn eu gwneud nawr yn gwbl groes i'r ymrwymiadau a wnaethant cyn yr etholiad. Ond ni allaf bleidleisio dros eich gwelliant fel mater o gydwybod, oherwydd byddai pleidleisio drosto'n dileu holl bwrpas y ddadl hon, sef mynnu'r ymchwiliad a addawodd y blaid hon cyn iddi ddod i rym. Bydd pleidleisio dros welliant 'dileu popeth' yn rhyddhau Plaid Cymru a'r Llywodraeth o'r angen i sefydlu'r ymchwiliad a addawyd ganddynt.</p>
<p>A dyna pam rwy'n eich annog i ystyried eich safbwynt fel Aelodau'r Blaid Lafur heddiw. Cefnogwch ein cynnig. Rydym yn gwybod ac yn deall ac yn parchu bod gennych safbwynt gwahanol i fy mhlaid i ar yr angen am ymchwiliad, ond nid oes unrhyw un ohonom eisiau gweld y Llywodraeth yn osgoi ei chyfrifoldeb i wneud yr hyn a addawodd i bobl cyn yr etholiad. A dyna yw holl sail y ddadl hon.</p>
<p>Lywydd, os caf, rwyf am orffen lle dechreuais, gyda geiriau Gweinidog iechyd Llywodraeth Cymru, oherwydd gorffennodd ei araith ar yr union bwnc hwn yn y gorffennol drwy ddweud hyn:</p>
<p>'Ein cyfrifoldeb i bobl Cymru, ac yn enwedig y rhai a gollodd anwyliaid, yw ystyried gwaddol y pandemig yn agored ac yn onest drwy ymchwiliad annibynnol llawn yng Nghymru. Dyna pam fy mod yn annog yr Aelodau i gefnogi'r cynnig hwn.'</p>
<p>Wel, Lywydd, dyna oedd ei eiriau. Ef bellach yw'r Gweinidog iechyd; mae ganddo gyfle i gyflawni'r hyn a fynnai gan eraill pan oedd yn yr wrthblaid, a heddiw rwy'n galw arno ef a'r holl bobl ar feinciau'r Llywodraeth i gadw at eu gair, i gadw at eu haddewidion i deuluoedd mewn profedigaeth, a sefydlu'r ymchwiliad COVID Cymreig llawn ac annibynnol y dywedodd ef ei hun ei fod yn 'rheidrwydd democrataidd a moesol'. Diolch yn fawr iawn.</p>
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<p>Rwyf wedi dethol y gwelliannau i'r cynnig. Os derbynnir gwelliant 1, caiff gwelliant 2 ei ddad-ddethol. Galwaf nawr ar Ken Skates i gynnig yn ffurfiol welliant 1, a gyflwynwyd yn enw Lynne Neagle.</p>
<p>I have selected the amendments to the motion. If amendment 1 is agreed, amendment 2 will be deselected. I now call on Ken Skates to move amendment 1, tabled in the name of Lynne Neagle. </p>
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<p>Gwelliant 1—Lynne Neagle</p>
<p>Dileu popeth a rhoi yn ei le:</p>
<p>Cynnig bod y Senedd:</p>
<p>1. Yn nodi bod Gweinidogion Llywodraeth Cymru, yn eu rôl flaenorol fel llefarwyr yr wrthblaid, wedi addo ymchwiliad Covid-19 llawn ar gyfer Cymru i deuluoedd mewn profedigaeth yn sgil Covid, a fyddai'n ei gwneud yn ofynnol i dystion fod yn bresennol, gan gynnwys sylwadau a wnaed yn y Senedd ar 16 Gorffennaf 2025 gan y Gweinidog Cabinet presennol dros Iechyd a Gofal yn galw am ymchwiliad cyhoeddus penodol i Gymru, wedi'i fodelu ar ymchwiliad yr Alban wedi'i arwain gan farnwyr.</p>
<p>2. Yn nodi bod y Gweinidogion hynny wedi cyhoeddi adolygiad, ar 3 Tachwedd 2026, heb y pŵer i orfodi tystion i fod yn bresennol, yn hytrach nag ymchwiliad cyhoeddus statudol.</p>
<p>3. Yn galw ar y Prif Weinidog i gyfeirio at y Cynghorydd Annibynnol ar Safonau Gweinidogol y cwestiwn a yw Gweinidogion wedi torri'r Cod Gweinidogol drwy gamgynrychioli ymrwymiadau a wnaed cyn yr etholiad i Covid-19 Bereaved Families for Justice Cymru.</p>
<p>Amendment 1—Lynne Neagle</p>
<p>Delete all and replace with:</p>
<p>To propose that the Senedd:</p>
<p>1. Notes that Welsh Government Ministers, in their previous capacity as opposition spokespeople, consistently promised Covid bereaved families a full Covid-19 inquiry for Wales that would require witnesses to attend, including comments made in the Senedd on 16 July 2025 by the current Cabinet Minister for Health and Care calling for a Wales-specific public inquiry, modelled on Scotland’s judge-led inquiry.</p>
<p>2. Notes that on 3 November 2026 those Ministers instead announced a review, without the power to compel witnesses to attend, rather than a statutory public inquiry.<br><br>3. Calls on the First Minister to refer to the Independent Adviser on Ministerial Standards the question of whether Ministers have breached the Ministerial Code by misrepresenting commitments made prior to the election to Covid-19 Bereaved Families for Justice Cymru.</p>
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<p>Cynigiwyd gwelliant 1.</p>
<p>Amendment 1 moved.</p>
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<p>Diolch, Llywydd, and I move the amendment tabled in the name of my colleague, Lynne Neagle. Bereaved families deserve answers. There are many who have suffered terrible trauma, and I can assure them that I know their pain. They deserve clarity about how lessons are being learnt for the future. And they deserve the assurance that those engaging with them do so openly, honestly and in good faith. It's clear from the response of the bereaved families for justice that many do not believe they received that from Plaid Cymru. And that is why today's debate matters.</p>
<p>Llywydd, for years, Plaid Cymru politicians, now Ministers, argued for a Wales-specific statutory inquiry. They repeatedly called for one publicly. They assured bereaved families that they had their full support for such an inquiry. Our amendment reflects that reality. The current Cabinet Minister for Health and Care himself, as we have heard, called for a Wales-specific public inquiry, modelled on Scotland's judge-led inquiry, in July last year. And on the same day, the current Trefnydd, Chief Whip and Cabinet Minister for Culture and Sport tweeted that she was proud to sign a pledge supporting a Wales-specific statutory inquiry. Yet now, in Government, they have announced not a statutory inquiry, but a review.</p>
<p>The bereaved families themselves say that they were repeatedly reassured that Plaid Cymru remained committed to delivering what they had campaigned for. We've all seen the private messages and the tweets from senior figures now in Government. The bereaved families for justice regret that it's not merely a matter of semantics. They say they were given assurances that there would be no retreat from previous commitments. If Plaid Cymru had changed their minds, they should have said so. If Plaid politicians had reached a different conclusion in Government, they should have explained why, earlier, especially to bereaved families.</p>
<p>What has caused such anger is not simply the policy outcome, but the belief among many families that they were not given the respect they deserved. That's why this issue goes beyond the question of whether there should be an inquiry or a review. It's about trust, it's about honesty in public life and it's about whether people who suffered unimaginable loss were treated with the openness, respect and integrity they deserved. Why were families left with the impression that they would still receive the inquiry they had spent years campaigning for? Were bereaved families given an accurate explanation of what Ministers actually intended to deliver?</p>
<p>Llywydd, we on this side of the Chamber believe that these questions deserve to be independently investigated. That's why we're calling on the First Minister to refer the matter to the Independent Adviser on Ministerial Standards (Wales), so that an independent judgment can be reached on whether commitments made to bereaved families were represented appropriately.</p>
<p>I'd just like to say this about a previous public inquiry that heard horrific accounts of crimes against children. It was the north Wales child abuse scandal. As a journalist at the time that this inquiry took place, I recall going to see my editor-in-chief, the late Reg Herbert, and speaking with him about the need to ensure that we could not stop seeking answers and justice, and that if further work was required at the end of the inquiry, then that further work should be undertaken. What if powerful people back then had promised the victims of child abuse an inquiry and then only delivered a review? This is a question that I keep asking myself. It would have been wholly unjust.</p>
<p>We do need to await the completion of the full UK inquiry. And, importantly, we do need to await all Government responses to all module recommendations. Because that, in turn, would determine the scope of an inquiry. An inquiry should not just be about what happened, when and to whom; it should also be about how Governments in the future are planning to learn the lessons and implement them, and, crucially, why any recommendations might be rejected.</p>
<p>We in Welsh Labour want to see work done thoroughly, completely and in the correct order, and we will support a further inquiry; one that represents what I have outlined. Not just evidence taken in regard to gaps, but also the need to make sure that Government responses are reflected. As for the Conservatives, I would urge you to vote for our amendment today. As I have said, in the right circumstances, we will support a further COVID inquiry, but it must be based on the outcome of the UK COVID inquiry. Families' voices must be heard, their experiences must be respected and their concerns must be taken seriously. Diolch.</p>
<p>Diolch, Lywydd, ac rwy'n cynnig y gwelliant a gyflwynwyd yn enw fy nghyd-Aelod, Lynne Neagle. Mae teuluoedd mewn profedigaeth yn haeddu atebion. Mae yna lawer sydd wedi dioddef trawma ofnadwy, a gallaf eu sicrhau fy mod i'n gyfarwydd â'u poen. Maent yn haeddu eglurder ynghylch sut y caiff gwersi eu dysgu ar gyfer y dyfodol. Ac maent yn haeddu'r sicrwydd fod y rhai sy'n ymgysylltu â nhw'n gwneud hynny'n agored, yn onest ac mewn ewyllys da. Mae'n amlwg o ymateb y teuluoedd mewn profedigaeth sy'n ymgyrchu am gyfiawnder fod yna lawer ohonynt nad ydynt yn credu eu bod wedi cael hynny gan Blaid Cymru. A dyna pam y mae'r ddadl heddiw'n bwysig.</p>
<p>Lywydd, am flynyddoedd, dadleuodd gwleidyddion Plaid Cymru, sydd bellach yn Weinidogion, dros ymchwiliad statudol penodol i Gymru. Fe wnaethant alw dro ar ôl tro am un yn gyhoeddus. Fe wnaethant sicrhau teuluoedd mewn profedigaeth eu bod yn cefnogi ymchwiliad o'r fath yn llawn. Mae ein gwelliant ni'n adlewyrchu'r realiti hwnnw. Galwodd y Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal presennol ei hun, fel y clywsom, am ymchwiliad cyhoeddus penodol i Gymru, wedi'i fodelu ar ymchwiliad dan arweiniad barnwyr yn yr Alban, ym mis Gorffennaf y llynedd. Ac ar yr un diwrnod, trydarodd y Trefnydd, y Prif Chwip a'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Ddiwylliant a Chwaraeon ei bod yn falch o lofnodi addewid yn cefnogi ymchwiliad statudol penodol i Gymru. Ond nawr, fel Llywodraeth, maent wedi cyhoeddi adolygiad, nid ymchwiliad statudol.</p>
<p>Mae'r teuluoedd mewn profedigaeth eu hunain yn dweud eu bod wedi cael sicrwydd dro ar ôl tro fod Plaid Cymru yn parhau i fod yn ymrwymedig i gyflawni'r hyn y gwnaethant ymgyrchu drosto. Rydym i gyd wedi gweld y negeseuon preifat a'r trydariadau gan uwch ffigyrau sydd bellach yn y Llywodraeth. Mae'r teuluoedd mewn profedigaeth sy'n ymgyrchu am gyfiawnder yn gresynu nad mater o semanteg yn unig mohono. Maent yn dweud eu bod wedi cael sicrwydd na fyddai unrhyw droi cefn ar ymrwymiadau blaenorol. Os oedd Plaid Cymru wedi newid eu meddyliau, dylent fod wedi dweud hynny. Os oedd gwleidyddion Plaid Cymru wedi dod i gasgliad gwahanol ar ôl dod yn Llywodraeth, dylent fod wedi egluro pam, yn gynharach, yn enwedig wrth deuluoedd mewn profedigaeth.</p>
<p>Nid dim ond canlyniad y polisi sydd wedi achosi'r fath ddicter, ond y gred ymhlith llawer o deuluoedd na chawsant y parch yr oeddent yn ei haeddu. Dyna pam y mae'r mater hwn yn mynd y tu hwnt i'r cwestiwn a ddylai fod ymchwiliad neu adolygiad. Mae'n ymwneud ag ymddiriedaeth, mae'n ymwneud â gonestrwydd mewn bywyd cyhoeddus ac mae'n ymwneud ag a gafodd pobl a ddioddefodd golled annirnadwy eu trin gyda'r agwedd agored, y parch a'r uniondeb yr oeddent yn eu haeddu. Pam y gadawyd teuluoedd gyda'r argraff y byddent yn dal i gael yr ymchwiliad yr oeddent wedi treulio blynyddoedd yn ymgyrchu drosto? A roddwyd esboniad cywir i deuluoedd mewn profedigaeth o'r hyn yr oedd Gweinidogion yn bwriadu ei gyflawni mewn gwirionedd?</p>
<p>Lywydd, rydym ni ar yr ochr hon i'r Siambr yn credu bod y cwestiynau hyn yn haeddu cael eu hymchwilio'n annibynnol. Dyna pam ein bod ni'n galw ar y Prif Weinidog i gyfeirio'r mater at y Cynghorydd Annibynnol ar Safonau Gweinidogol (Cymru), fel y gellir ffurfio barn annibynnol ynglŷn ag a gafodd ymrwymiadau a wnaed i deuluoedd mewn profedigaeth eu cynrychioli'n briodol.</p>
<p>Hoffwn ddweud hyn am ymchwiliad cyhoeddus blaenorol a glywodd adroddiadau erchyll o droseddau yn erbyn plant. Sgandal cam-drin plant yng ngogledd Cymru oedd yr ymchwiliad. Fel newyddiadurwr ar yr adeg y cynhaliwyd yr ymchwiliad hwnnw, rwy'n cofio mynd i weld fy ngolygydd, y diweddar Reg Herbert, a siarad gydag ef am yr angen i sicrhau na allwn roi'r gorau i geisio atebion a chyfiawnder, ac os oedd angen rhagor o waith ar ddiwedd yr ymchwiliad, dylid gwneud y gwaith pellach hwnnw. Beth pe bai pobl bwerus bryd hynny wedi addo ymchwiliad i ddioddefwyr cam-drin plant a dim ond cyflwyno adolygiad? Mae hwn yn gwestiwn rwy'n parhau i ofyn i mi fy hun. Byddai wedi bod yn gwbl anghyfiawn.</p>
<p>Mae angen inni aros i ymchwiliad llawn y DU gael ei gwblhau. Ac yn bwysig, mae angen inni aros am holl ymatebion y Llywodraeth i holl argymhellion y modiwlau. Oherwydd byddai hynny, yn ei dro, yn pennu cwmpas ymchwiliad. Dylai ymchwiliad edrych ar fwy na'r hyn a ddigwyddodd, pryd ac i bwy; dylai edrych hefyd ar sut y mae Llywodraethau yn y dyfodol yn cynllunio i ddysgu'r gwersi a'u gweithredu, ac yn hollbwysig, pam y gallai unrhyw argymhellion gael eu gwrthod.</p>
<p>Rydym ni yn Llafur Cymru eisiau gweld gwaith yn cael ei wneud yn drylwyr, yn llwyr ac yn y drefn gywir, a byddwn yn cefnogi ymchwiliad pellach; un sy'n cynrychioli'r hyn a amlinellais. Nid yn unig tystiolaeth a gesglir mewn perthynas â bylchau, ond hefyd yr angen i wneud yn siŵr bod ymatebion y Llywodraeth yn cael eu hadlewyrchu. O ran y Ceidwadwyr, rwy'n eich annog i bleidleisio dros ein gwelliant ni heddiw. Fel y dywedais, yn yr amgylchiadau cywir, byddwn yn cefnogi ymchwiliad COVID pellach, ond mae'n rhaid iddo fod yn seiliedig ar ganlyniad ymchwiliad COVID y DU. Rhaid i leisiau teuluoedd gael eu clywed, rhaid parchu eu profiadau a rhoi ystyriaeth ddifrifol i'w pryderon. Diolch.</p>
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<p>I just want to provide a trigger warning that my contribution does reference baby loss.</p>
<p>I chose to speak in this debate because I too am someone who experienced a bereavement during COVID, so I want to take this chance to say a few words about my grandfather. He was a true cockney, from an immigrant family who moved to London and were connected to the pearlies—a movement of working-class people connected to community pride, generosity and charitable giving. He taught me not only a love for Doris Day films, but that, in life, even if we do have little, we share it with those in need. And, like my bampy, every person who died during COVID are more than statistics, they are our loved ones. He wanted a full cockney funeral, but that was not possible. His funeral consisted of me, my parents and my siblings. None of the aunts and uncles who knew him best, none of his church family, nor my own family. I left my husband and children at home, unable to say goodbye to him because we followed the rules. He died in May 2020. At that exact time, Conservative Prime Minister Boris Johnson was quaffing cheese and wine in his garden, acting as if he was above the rest of us.</p>
<p>Those who have been bereaved want answers, but more than that, we need accountability. My grandfather was suffering from dementia and he was being cared for in a nursing home. When I wasn't able to hold his hand, his care workers did. I rue the day that I attempted to teach him to use a mobile phone. I wasn't successful, but his carers did succeed. They helped him to FaceTime us, so that in those lockdown days, we got to see his face and hear his voice before he died. Those essential workers took care of our most vulnerable people, our most precious family members. As social care is a devolved responsibility, we in Wales must gain a true understanding of the impact of COVID on those workers too.</p>
<p>I've also been reminded, thinking for this debate, of the Thursday evenings when people took to their doorsteps to bang their pots and pans and make noise for essential workers. For me, that banging called the start of my volunteer shift on a legal phone line for pregnant women whose employers were not supporting them to stay safe at work. I spoke to far too many women working in care, women who'd contracted COVID whilst undertaking their job, when they should have been protected in law. No worker, no expectant family should have faced that.</p>
<p>One particular person I want to pay tribute to is Mary Agyeiwaa Agyapong, a pregnant nurse, originally from Ghana, who felt pressured to work, despite being concerned for her health. Mary died shortly after the delivery of her baby. She had tested positive for COVID-19 at 35 weeks pregnant. Our NHS and social care workers who made the UK their home, just like Mary, we wouldn't have got through COVID without them. And even now, this is a system that would collapse without migrant workers.</p>
<p>Another group that I worked with in lockdown was the But Not Maternity campaigners, and I will always remember one woman who contacted me during that campaign. It was early in the morning and my daughter had asked if we could get up and watch a sunrise, so I couldn't say 'no'. But I had picked up this message at 5 a.m. and this woman had told me how she had experienced a neonatal death. She was awake, she couldn't sleep because she was lying alone in hospital awaiting surgery. Her husband couldn't be with her because the rules had blocked them from being together. He was breaking his heart at home when all they wanted was to be together. At that time, the rules were changing. Small groups could gather in pubs, so that they could share a pint and keep our economy going. But the true work of our economy, when life is being brought into the world to drive our future forward, that was being experienced alone.</p>
<p>And it wasn't just at birth. I worked with dads and non-birthing parents who were alone too. They weren't able to see the birth of their own children. So many of them got in touch saying that they missed those important moments. And the mental health strain that was placed on those families hasn't gone away. I want to thank the now First Minister, who was shadow health Minister at the time, who supported me in that work with dads, to talk about their mental health. Because then, as now, Rhun was listening and acting.</p>
<p>It feels today that this Siambr has become a glasshouse. Ken Skates didn't appear at the UK inquiry, despite having been called to give evidence. Other Welsh Labour Ministers didn't give credence to that UK inquiry. And that's what our review will do. We want to hear from these people. Paul Davies resigned as leader of the Welsh Conservative group after drinking in a group environment in this Senedd. Whilst he didn't break any rules, I'm sure—</p>
<p>Rwyf am rybuddio bod fy nghyfraniad yn cyfeirio at golli babi.</p>
<p>Dewisais siarad yn y ddadl hon am fy mod innau hefyd yn rhywun a brofodd brofedigaeth yn ystod COVID, felly rwyf am fanteisio ar y cyfle i ddweud ychydig eiriau am fy nhad-cu. Roedd yn gocni go iawn, o deulu o fewnfudwyr a symudodd i Lundain ac a oedd yn gysylltiedig â'r 'pearlies'—mudiad o bobl ddosbarth gweithiol sy'n gysylltiedig â balchder cymunedol, haelioni a rhoddion elusennol. Dysgodd i mi nid yn unig gariad at ffilmiau Doris Day, ond hefyd, hyd yn oed os nad oes gennym lawer mewn bywyd, ein bod ni'n ei rannu gyda'r rhai mewn angen. Ac fel fy nhad-cu, mae pob person a fu farw yn ystod COVID yn fwy nag ystadegau, maent yn anwyliaid. Roedd eisiau angladd cocni llawn, ond nid oedd hynny'n bosibl. Yn ei angladd roeddwn i, fy rhieni a fy mrodyr, neb arall. Neb o'r modrybedd a'r ewythrod a oedd yn ei adnabod orau, neb o deulu ei eglwys, na fy nheulu fy hun. Gadewais fy ngŵr a fy mhlant gartref, heb allu ffarwelio ag ef am ein bod ni'n dilyn y rheolau. Bu farw ym mis Mai 2020. Ar yr union adeg honno, roedd y Prif Weinidog Ceidwadol Boris Johnson yn sglaffio caws a gwin yn ei ardd, gan ymddwyn fel pe bai uwchlaw'r gweddill ohonom.</p>
<p>Mae'r rhai sydd wedi cael profedigaeth eisiau atebion, ond yn fwy na hynny, mae angen atebolrwydd arnom. Roedd fy nhad-cu'n dioddef o ddementia ac roedd yn cael gofal mewn cartref nyrsio. Pan na allwn afael yn ei law, gwnaeth ei weithwyr gofal hynny. Mae'n edifar gennyf am y diwrnod pan geisiais ei ddysgu i ddefnyddio ffôn symudol. Ni lwyddais, ond fe lwyddodd ei ofalwyr. Fe wnaethant ei helpu i wneud FaceTime gyda ni, fel ein bod, o dan y cyfyngiadau, wedi cael gweld ei wyneb a chlywed ei lais cyn iddo farw. Roedd y gweithwyr hanfodol hynny'n gofalu am ein pobl fwyaf agored i niwed, aelodau gwerthfawr o'n teuluoedd. Gan fod gofal cymdeithasol yn gyfrifoldeb datganoledig, rhaid i ni yng Nghymru gael gwir ddealltwriaeth o effaith COVID ar y gweithwyr hynny hefyd.</p>
<p>Wrth feddwl am y ddadl hon, cefais fy atgoffa o'r nosweithiau Iau pan fyddai pobl yn sefyll ar garreg y drws i daro eu sosbenni a gwneud sŵn i ddiolch i weithwyr hanfodol. I mi, roedd y sŵn hwnnw'n cyd-daro â dechrau fy shifft wirfoddol ar linell ffôn a roddai gyngor cyfreithiol i fenywod beichiog nad oedd eu cyflogwyr yn eu cefnogi i gadw'n ddiogel yn y gwaith. Siaradais â llawer gormod o fenywod a oedd yn gweithio mewn gofal, menywod a oedd wedi dal COVID wrth gyflawni eu swyddi, pan ddylent fod wedi cael eu diogelu mewn cyfraith. Ni ddylai unrhyw weithiwr, unrhyw ddarpar rieni fod wedi wynebu hynny.</p>
<p>Un person penodol yr hoffwn dalu teyrnged iddi yw Mary Agyeiwaa Agyapong, nyrs feichiog, yn wreiddiol o Ghana, a deimlai dan bwysau i weithio, er ei bod yn poeni am ei hiechyd. Bu farw Mary yn fuan ar ôl geni ei babi. Roedd hi wedi profi'n bositif am COVID-19 pan oedd 35 wythnos yn feichiog. Nid fyddem wedi goroesi COVID heb ein gweithwyr GIG a gofal cymdeithasol a wnaeth y DU yn gartref iddynt, yn union fel Mary. A hyd yn oed nawr, mae hon yn system a fyddai'n chwalu heb weithwyr mudol.</p>
<p>Grŵp arall yr arferwn weithio gyda nhw yn ystod y cyfyngiadau symud oedd yr ymgyrchwyr But Not Maternity, a byddaf bob amser yn cofio un fenyw a gysylltodd â mi yn ystod yr ymgyrch honno. Roedd hi'n gynnar yn y bore ac roedd fy merch wedi gofyn am gael codi i wylio'r haul yn codi, felly ni allwn ddweud 'na'. Ond roeddwn wedi codi'r neges am 5 a.m. ac roedd y fenyw hon wedi dweud wrthyf sut roedd hi wedi profi marwolaeth newyddenedigol. Roedd hi'n effro, ni allai gysgu am ei bod hi'n gorwedd ar ei phen ei hun yn yr ysbyty yn aros am lawdriniaeth. Ni allai ei gŵr fod gyda hi am fod y rheolau wedi eu rhwystro rhag bod gyda'i gilydd. Roedd yntau'n torri ei galon gartref er mai'r cyfan a ddymunent oedd bod gyda'i gilydd. Ar y pryd, roedd y rheolau'n newid. Gallai grwpiau bach ymgynnull mewn tafarndai, er mwyn iddynt allu rhannu peint a chadw ein heconomi i fynd. Ond roedd gwir waith ein heconomi, pan oedd bywyd yn cael ei ddwyn i'r byd i yrru ein dyfodol yn ei flaen, roedd hwnnw'n cael ei brofi mewn unigrwydd.</p>
<p>Ac nid dim ond ar adeg geni. Roeddwn i'n gweithio gyda thadau a rhieni nad oeddent yn geni a oedd ar eu pen eu hunain hefyd. Ni chaent weld genedigaeth eu plant eu hunain. Cysylltodd cymaint ohonynt gan ddweud eu bod wedi colli'r eiliadau pwysig hynny. Ac nid yw'r straen iechyd meddwl a roddwyd ar y teuluoedd hynny wedi diflannu. Rwyf am ddiolch i'r Prif Weinidog erbyn hyn a oedd yn Weinidog iechyd yr wrthblaid ar y pryd, a wnaeth fy nghefnogi yn y gwaith hwnnw gyda thadau, i siarad am eu hiechyd meddwl. Oherwydd bryd hynny, fel nawr, roedd Rhun yn gwrando ac yn gweithredu.</p>
<p>Mae'n teimlo heddiw fel pe bai'r Siambr wedi troi'n dŷ gwydr. Nid ymddangosodd Ken Skates yn ymchwiliad y DU, er iddo gael ei alw i roi tystiolaeth. Ni roddodd Gweinidogion Llafur eraill Cymru hygrededd i'r ymchwiliad hwnnw yn y DU. A dyna beth fydd ein hadolygiad yn ei wneud. Rydym eisiau clywed gan y bobl hyn. Ymddiswyddodd Paul Davies fel arweinydd grŵp y Ceidwadwyr Cymreig ar ôl yfed mewn amgylchedd grŵp yn y Senedd hon. Er na thorrodd unrhyw reolau, rwy'n siŵr—</p>
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<p>Could I ask the Member, please, to stick to the terms of the debate?</p>
<p>A gaf i ofyn i'r Aelod i gadw at dermau'r ddadl os gwelwch yn dda?</p>
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<p>Thank you.</p>
<p>Diolch.</p>
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<p>Can I clarify the ruling on that—[<em>Inaudible</em>.]</p>
<p>A gaf i egluro'r dyfarniad ar hynny—[<em>Anghlywadwy</em>.]</p>
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<p>Yes.</p>
<p>Iawn.</p>
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<p>But what I would like to say is I'm sure he broke his commitment to uphold the Nolan principles of public life: honesty, integrity and leadership. I also have three other points to remind the Conservatives: Barnard castle—[<em>Interruption</em>.]</p>
<p>Ond yr hyn yr hoffwn ei ddweud yw fy mod yn siŵr ei fod wedi torri ei ymrwymiad i gynnal egwyddorion bywyd cyhoeddus Nolan: gonestrwydd, uniondeb ac arweinyddiaeth. Mae gennyf dri phwynt arall i atgoffa'r Ceidwadwyr yn eu cylch: Castell Barnard—[<em>Torri ar draws</em>.]</p>
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<p>No, we do not want—. The group do not want this political football.</p>
<p>Na, nid ydym eisiau—. Nid yw'r grŵp eisiau pêl-droed gwleidyddol o'r math hwn.</p>
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<p>With apologies to the Member, we are well over time and we've got lots of speakers, as well, who want to contribute to the debate.</p>
<p>Gydag ymddiheuriadau i'r Aelod, rydym ymhell dros yr amser ac mae gennym lawer o siaradwyr sydd eisiau cyfrannu at y ddadl.</p>
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<p>Okay. Thank you. So, I'll remind you of the point I made earlier of those parties, because your party failed Wales, and we must hold you to account.</p>
<p>Reform are currently boycotting the Senedd whilst claiming to stand up for their constituents. They have demonised our health and social care workforce, and I want to remind everyone that that is a group of people that we couldn't have got through COVID without. [<em>Interruption</em>.]</p>
<p>O'r gorau. Diolch. Felly, fe wnaf eich atgoffa o'r pwynt a wneuthum yn gynharach ynghylch y pleidiau hynny, oherwydd fe wnaeth eich plaid gam â Chymru, ac mae'n rhaid inni eich dwyn i gyfrif.</p>
<p>Ar hyn o bryd mae Reform yn boicotio'r Senedd gan honni eu bod yn sefyll dros eu hetholwyr. Maent wedi demoneiddio ein gweithlu iechyd a gofal cymdeithasol, ac rwyf am atgoffa pawb fod hwnnw'n grŵp o bobl na allem wedi gallu mynd drwy COVID hebddo. [<em>Torri ar draws.</em>]</p>
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<p>Galwaf nawr ar y Gweinidog Cabinet dros Effeithiolrwydd Llywodraeth a'r Cyfansoddiad i gynnig yn ffurfiol welliant 2 a gyflwynwyd yn enw Heledd Fychan. </p>
<p>I now call on the Cabinet Minister for Government Effectiveness and the Constitution to formally move amendment 2, tabled in the name of Heledd Fychan. </p>
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<p>Gwelliant 2—Heledd Fychan</p>
<p>Dileu popeth a rhoi yn ei le:</p>
<p>Cynnig bod y Senedd:</p>
<p>Yn nodi penderfyniad Llywodraeth Cymru i sefydlu Adolygiad Annibynnol o Covid-19 yng Nghymru, a fydd yn sicrhau bod y gwersi o Covid yn cael eu dysgu a bod Cymru yn fwy parod ar gyfer y pandemig nesaf.</p>
<p>Amendment 2—Heledd Fychan</p>
<p>Delete all and replace with:</p>
<p>To propose that the Senedd:<br><br>Notes the Welsh Government's decision to establish an Independent Wales Review of Covid-19, which will ensure that the lessons from Covid are learned and that Wales is better prepared for the next pandemic.</p>
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<p>Cynigiwyd gwelliant 2.</p>
<p>Amendment 2 moved.</p>
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<p>Yn ffurfiol, Lywydd. </p>
<p>Formally, Llywydd. </p>
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<p>Before I make my contribution, I also want to pay tribute to COVID-19 Bereaved Families for Justice Cymru for their bravery in sharing their experiences and for everything they have done to fight for answers. </p>
<p>The COVID-19 pandemic was, without a shadow of a doubt, the greatest public health emergency of our lifetime. It fundamentally changed the way that we lived, and there's no denying that Governments across the world were under immense pressure to take decisions quickly. And I don't believe there is anybody in this Chamber that disputes the scale of the challenge that Government Ministers faced during that time, but lessons have to be learnt, and the people of Wales deserve some accountability from the Ministers who made decisions during that period.</p>
<p>Wales needs its own Wales-wide COVID inquiry to examine the decisions taken by the Welsh Government, and the impact those decisions had on our communities. Families across Wales who lost loved ones deserve answers. Front-line workers who made huge sacrifices deserve answers. And the people of Wales deserve the assurances that lessons have been learnt.</p>
<p>As has already been said, the Welsh Conservatives believe that this must be a statutory inquiry, led by an independent judge, with full powers to compel witnesses to give evidence and disclose documents. The idea that this inquiry could be watered down to a review could, in my view, compromise the independence, transparency and authority necessary to command public confidence in this inquiry. And quite frankly, I don't believe a Government review would have the capacity to properly investigate everything that needs to be examined.</p>
<p>As Members know, there are serious questions over the availability and effectiveness of testing during different stages of the pandemic. There were also many concerns over the roll-out of vaccines, in relation to its planning, communication and delivery, all of which needs to be assessed objectively. The inquiry must examine the tragic issue of hospital-acquired COVID infections, and determine whether more could have been done to protect vulnerable patients. At the same time, the inquiry must consider the discharge of patients into care homes during the pandemic, which continues to be a source of deep concern for many families who lost relatives and believe critical mistakes were made.</p>
<p>And the inquiry shouldn't stop there. The impact on our education system can't be ignored. Thousands of students across Wales experienced prolonged disruption to their education, with many of those learners still feeling the effects years later. In my view, the inquiry should investigate the decisions taken around school closures, remote learning, examinations and the support provided to children and young people during that period. We must understand what worked, what failed and how Wales can better prepare our education system should we ever face a pandemic like this in the future.</p>
<p>We know that decisions made by Welsh Government Ministers were often different to other parts of the UK, which is why a Wales-specific inquiry is absolutely necessary. Of course, the UK COVID inquiry has an important role in considering some of these issues, but it cannot adequately provide the detailed examination of Welsh decision making that our own people deserve.</p>
<p>And let's be absolutely clear: Plaid Cymru spent years campaigning for a Wales-specific COVID inquiry, arguing that Wales's unique experience warranted dedicated scrutiny, and yet now they appear willing to block the very process they once championed. So often we hear Plaid Cymru arguing for more powers and accountability here in Wales, and yet here they are denying the people of Wales a statutory, judge-led public inquiry into how the Welsh Government responded to the COVID pandemic.</p>
<p>Llywydd, this debate is ultimately about the people of Wales and the families whose lives were forever changed by the pandemic. They deserve answers about the decisions that were made, transparency from those in positions of responsibility, and assurances that lessons will be learned to better protect future generations. As the now health Minister has said himself, and I quote,</p>
<p>'Without accurate factual evidence, then it is impossible to learn the right lessons, and more importantly, there is a risk of learning the wrong lessons and putting the lives of future generations at risk. We must therefore get to the truth. That is why I am so firm in insisting that witnesses must swear an oath, in order to ensure that we stick to our moral agreement with the people of Wales and find the truth in order to protect the welfare of those who come after us.'</p>
<p>That is what he said, and he was absolutely right to say it. And it is absolutely right that there should be a statutory, judge-led inquiry, and so I urge Members to support this motion.</p>
<p>Cyn imi wneud fy nghyfraniad, rwyf innau hefyd eisiau talu teyrnged i COVID-19 Bereaved Families for Justice Cymru am eu dewrder yn rhannu eu profiadau ac am bopeth a wnaethant i frwydro am atebion.</p>
<p>Heb amheuaeth, pandemig COVID-19 oedd argyfwng iechyd cyhoeddus mwyaf ein hoes. Newidiodd y ffordd roeddem yn byw yn sylfaenol, ac ni ellir gwadu bod Llywodraethau ledled y byd o dan bwysau enfawr i wneud penderfyniadau yn gyflym. Ac nid wyf yn credu bod unrhyw un yn y Siambr hon sy'n gwadu maint yr her a wynebai Weinidogion Llywodraeth yn ystod y cyfnod hwnnw, ond mae'n rhaid dysgu gwersi, ac mae pobl Cymru yn haeddu rhywfaint o atebolrwydd gan y Gweinidogion a wnaeth benderfyniadau yn ystod y cyfnod hwnnw.</p>
<p>Mae angen ei hymchwiliad COVID ei hun ar Gymru gyfan i archwilio'r penderfyniadau a wnaed gan Lywodraeth Cymru, a'r effaith a gafodd y penderfyniadau hynny ar ein cymunedau. Mae teuluoedd ledled Cymru a gollodd anwyliaid yn haeddu atebion. Mae gweithwyr rheng flaen a wnaeth aberth enfawr yn haeddu atebion. Ac mae pobl Cymru yn haeddu'r sicrwydd fod gwersi wedi'u dysgu.</p>
<p>Fel y dywedwyd eisoes, mae'r Ceidwadwyr Cymreig yn credu bod yn rhaid i hwn fod yn ymchwiliad statudol, dan arweiniad barnwyr annibynnol, gyda phwerau llawn i orfodi tystion i roi tystiolaeth a datgelu dogfennau. Yn fy marn i, gallai'r syniad y gellid glastwreiddio'r ymchwiliad hwn i fod yn adolygiad beryglu'r annibyniaeth, y tryloywder a'r awdurdod sy'n angenrheidiol i ennyn hyder y cyhoedd yn yr ymchwiliad. A dweud y gwir, nid wyf yn credu y byddai gan adolygiad Llywodraeth allu i ymchwilio'n briodol i bopeth sydd angen ei archwilio.</p>
<p>Fel y gŵyr yr Aelodau, mae cwestiynau difrifol yn codi ynghylch argaeledd ac effeithiolrwydd profion yn ystod gwahanol gyfnodau o'r pandemig. Roedd llawer o bryderon hefyd ynglŷn â chyflwyno brechlynnau, o ran cynllunio, cyfathrebu a chyflwyno, ac mae angen asesu pob un ohonynt yn wrthrychol. Rhaid i'r ymchwiliad archwilio mater trasig heintiau COVID a ddaliwyd yn yr ysbyty, a phenderfynu a ellid bod wedi gwneud mwy i ddiogelu cleifion agored i niwed. Ar yr un pryd, rhaid i'r ymchwiliad ystyried y modd y cafodd cleifion eu rhyddhau o ysbytai i gartrefi gofal yn ystod y pandemig, rhywbeth sy'n parhau i fod yn destun pryder dwfn i lawer o deuluoedd a gollodd berthnasau ac sy'n credu bod camgymeriadau difrifol wedi'u gwneud.</p>
<p>Ac ni ddylai'r ymchwiliad ddod i ben gyda hynny. Ni ellir anwybyddu'r effaith ar ein system addysg. Profodd miloedd o fyfyrwyr ledled Cymru gyfnodau hir o darfu ar eu haddysg, gyda llawer o'r dysgwyr hynny'n dal i deimlo'r effeithiau flynyddoedd yn ddiweddarach. Yn fy marn i, dylai'r ymchwiliad archwilio'r penderfyniadau a wnaed ynghylch cau ysgolion, dysgu o bell, arholiadau a'r cymorth a ddarparwyd i blant a phobl ifanc yn ystod y cyfnod hwnnw. Rhaid inni ddeall beth a weithiodd, beth na weithiodd a sut y gall Cymru baratoi ein system addysg yn well pe baem yn wynebu pandemig o'r fath yn y dyfodol.</p>
<p>Gwyddom fod penderfyniadau a wnaed gan Weinidogion Llywodraeth Cymru yn aml yn wahanol i rannau eraill o'r DU, a dyna pam y mae ymchwiliad penodol i Gymru yn gwbl angenrheidiol. Wrth gwrs, mae gan ymchwiliad COVID y DU rôl bwysig i ystyried rhai o'r materion hyn, ond ni all ddarparu archwiliad digon manwl o benderfyniadau a wnaed yng Nghymru fel y mae ein pobl ein hunain yn ei haeddu.</p>
<p>A gadewch inni fod yn hollol glir: treuliodd Plaid Cymru flynyddoedd yn ymgyrchu dros ymchwiliad COVID penodol i Gymru, gan ddadlau bod profiad unigryw Cymru yn haeddu cael ei graffu'n bwrpasol, ac eto, maent i'w gweld yn barod nawr i rwystro'r union broses y dadleuent drosti ar un adeg. Clywn Blaid Cymru'n dadlau mor fynych am fwy o bwerau ac atebolrwydd yma yng Nghymru, ac eto i gyd, yma maent yn amddifadu pobl Cymru o ymchwiliad cyhoeddus statudol dan arweiniad barnwyr i'r modd yr ymatebodd Llywodraeth Cymru i'r pandemig COVID.</p>
<p>Lywydd, yn ei hanfod mae'r ddadl hon yn ymwneud â phobl Cymru a'r teuluoedd y newidiwyd eu bywydau am byth gan y pandemig. Maent yn haeddu atebion ynghylch y penderfyniadau a wnaed, tryloywder gan y rhai mewn swyddi cyfrifol, a sicrwydd y bydd gwersi'n cael eu dysgu i ddiogelu cenedlaethau'r dyfodol yn well. Fel y dywedodd y Gweinidog iechyd presennol ei hun,</p>
<p>'Heb dystiolaeth ffeithiol gywir, yna mae'n amhosib dysgu'r gwersi cywir, ac yn bwysicach fyth, mae peryg dysgu'r gwersi anghywir, gan roi bywydau cenedlaethau'r dyfodol yn y fantol. Mae'n rhaid felly cael at y gwir. Dyna pam fy mod i mor gadarn dros fynnu bod tystion yn tyngu llw, er mwyn sicrhau ein bod ni'n cadw at ein cytundeb moesol gyda phobl Cymru ac yn dod at y gwir er mwyn gwarchod lles y rhai a ddaw ar ein hôl ni.'</p>
<p>Dyna a ddywedodd, ac roedd yn hollol gywir i'w ddweud. Ac mae'n hollol gywir y dylid cael ymchwiliad statudol dan arweiniad barnwyr, ac felly rwy'n annog yr Aelodau i gefnogi'r cynnig hwn.</p>
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<p>I hadn't planned to speak, but now that I'm on my feet I will say a few words. I was a backbencher during the pandemic and I was chair of the children's committee, and I have to say that I found the experience quite overwhelming, that of supporting my constituents. People were so incredibly frightened all the time. There were people who couldn't get access to food, and those people who were shielding were a particular concern. As someone who was only on the back benches then, I found this to be a genuinely overwhelming and quite frightening experience.</p>
<p>I did just want to say how incredibly difficult this was for those people who were Ministers at the time. That may not be something everybody wants to hear. I'm grateful that Darren acknowledged this. What I saw—the whole time I was a backbencher—of the Ministers in the Government were people who were all doing their absolute best to look after people.</p>
<p>I really regret the comments of Sarah Rees today. I think it is inappropriate to name another Member without giving them notice of that. Nobody knows the circumstances under which people were called or not called to give evidence to that COVID inquiry.</p>
<p>I know that this is an extremely uncomfortable issue for all of Plaid Cymru. I can see it on all of your faces. But the way to deal with that is not to attack other people, in my view, without knowing the facts. That is deeply regrettable, and I think you should reflect on that, Sarah. I thought better of you.</p>
<p>Turning to what we're discussing today, Ken has already set out our current position on the COVID inquiry. I do want to pay tribute to the families who have campaigned so vociferously on this for many years, and recognise that their struggle is one that is born out of terrible grief. I think we all have to remember that, how difficult that is for them.</p>
<p>We are abstaining on the Conservative motion today because we felt that we needed to be consistent with our position. We felt that it would look opportunistic to do anything else and we feel that is the right thing to do.</p>
<p>But we tabled our amendment because I have to say that I have been appalled by the behaviour of some in Plaid Cymru on this. If you had come into Government and realised that you had made a mistake about this—. Things are different when you're in Government. Government is really, really tough. I'll say that to all of you. If you'd come in and thought, ‘Well, this was a mistake, what we promised’, and had come to the Chamber and said, ‘We made a mistake, we are sorry that we made a mistake, and we are sorry to those families who believed that we were going to have a COVID inquiry’, it would be a different position to the one we are in today.</p>
<p>We took no pleasure in tabling that amendment, but we do feel that Plaid Cymru have to be called to account for the way that they have made the COVID bereaved families feel. I believe that they have been misrepresenting their discussions with the COVID families and I believe that is a matter that should be looked at under the ministerial code. It is not too late to say sorry and to recognise the damage this issue has done, and I would ask you to reflect on that.</p>
<p>Nid oeddwn wedi bwriadu siarad, ond gan fy mod ar fy nhraed nawr, rwyf am ddweud ychydig eiriau. Roeddwn yn Aelod ar y meinciau cefn yn ystod y pandemig ac roeddwn yn gadeirydd y pwyllgor plant, ac mae'n rhaid imi ddweud bod y profiad o gefnogi fy etholwyr wedi bod yn eithaf llethol. Roedd pobl mor ofnus drwy'r amser. Roedd pobl na allent gael mynediad at fwyd, ac roedd y bobl hynny ar y rhestr warchod yn bryder arbennig. Fel rhywun a oedd ar y meinciau cefn bryd hynny, roeddwn yn teimlo bod hwn yn brofiad gwirioneddol lethol a brawychus.</p>
<p>Roeddwn eisiau dweud pa mor anhygoel o anodd oedd hyn i'r bobl a oedd yn Weinidogion ar y pryd. Efallai nad yw hynny'n rhywbeth y mae pawb eisiau ei glywed. Rwy'n ddiolchgar i Darren am gydnabod hyn. Yr hyn a welais—yn fy holl amser fel Aelod ar y meinciau cefn—yng Ngweinidogion y Llywodraeth oedd pobl a oedd oll yn gwneud eu gorau glas i ofalu am bobl.</p>
<p>Rwy'n gresynu'n fawr at sylwadau Sarah Rees heddiw. Rwy'n credu ei bod yn amhriodol enwi Aelod arall heb roi rhybudd iddynt. Nid oes unrhyw un yn gwybod dan ba amgylchiadau y cafodd pobl eu galw neu na chawsant eu galw i roi tystiolaeth i'r ymchwiliad COVID hwnnw.</p>
<p>Gwn fod hwn yn fater hynod anghyfforddus i bawb ym Mhlaid Cymru. Gallaf ei weld ar eich wynebau i gyd. Ond nid y ffordd i ddelio â hynny yw ymosod ar bobl eraill yn fy marn i, heb wybod y ffeithiau. Mae hynny'n drueni mawr, ac rwy'n credu y dylech fyfyrio ar hynny, Sarah. Roeddwn i'n meddwl eich bod chi'n well na hynny.</p>
<p>Gan droi at yr hyn rydym yn ei drafod heddiw, mae Ken eisoes wedi nodi ein safbwynt presennol ar yr ymchwiliad COVID. Hoffwn dalu teyrnged i'r teuluoedd sydd wedi ymgyrchu mor llafar ar hyn ers blynyddoedd lawer, a chydnabod bod eu brwydr yn un sy'n deillio o alar ofnadwy. Rwy'n credu bod yn rhaid i bob un ohonom gofio hynny, pa mor anodd yw hynny iddynt.</p>
<p>Rydym yn ymatal ar gynnig y Ceidwadwyr heddiw am ein bod yn teimlo bod angen inni fod yn gyson â'n safbwynt. Roeddem yn teimlo y byddai gwneud unrhyw beth arall yn edrych yn oportiwnistaidd, a theimlwn mai dyna'r peth iawn i'w wneud.</p>
<p>Ond fe wnaethom gyflwyno ein gwelliant am fod yn rhaid imi ddweud fy mod i wedi fy mrawychu gan ymddygiad rhai o Aelodau Plaid Cymru ar hyn. Pe baech chi wedi dod yn Llywodraeth ac wedi sylweddoli eich bod wedi gwneud camgymeriad ynglŷn â hyn—. Mae pethau'n wahanol pan ydych chi'n Llywodraeth. Mae llywodraethu'n wirioneddol anodd. Dywedaf hynny wrth bob un ohonoch. Pe baech chi wedi dod i mewn a meddwl, 'Wel, roedd yr hyn y gwnaethom ei addo yn gamgymeriad', ac wedi dod i'r Siambr a dweud, 'Fe wnaethom gamgymeriad, mae'n ddrwg gennym ein bod wedi gwneud camgymeriad, ac rydym yn ymddiheuro i'r teuluoedd a gredai ein bod yn mynd i gael ymchwiliad COVID', byddai'n sefyllfa wahanol i'r un rydym ynddi heddiw.</p>
<p>Ni chawsom unrhyw bleser yn cyflwyno'r gwelliant, ond teimlwn fod yn rhaid dwyn Plaid Cymru i gyfrif am y ffordd y maent wedi gwneud i deuluoedd mewn profedigaeth yn sgil COVID deimlo. Rwy'n credu eu bod wedi camgyfleu eu trafodaethau gyda'r teuluoedd COVID, a chredaf fod hwnnw'n fater y dylid edrych arno o dan y cod gweinidogol. Nid yw'n rhy hwyr i ymddiheuro ac i gydnabod y niwed y mae'r mater hwn wedi'i wneud, a hoffwn ofyn ichi fyfyrio ar hynny.</p>
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<p>We used to sit over where Reform sit, and Plaid used to sit where we currently sit. The amount of times I sat and looked across that Chamber at the Plaid speakers who, spokesperson after spokesperson, supported an independent inquiry—. But the brutal truth is—. The people I feel so sorry for in all this are the families who lost loved ones. Because, as we've seen in the messages that have been publicly made available, senior Members of this Government, former spokespeople in opposition, gave them commitments, pledged to them that they would, in Government, deliver an independent inquiry that would compel witnesses to come before it and give evidence. If I'm wrong, let someone on that frontbench stand up and correct me. Did you give those pledges, or am I lying to this Chamber? Not one of you will stand up, will you, and correct me, because you know that I am correct. And that's the issue here.</p>
<p>I listened to my colleague Sarah Rees talk about other Governments in other places and what they did. We admit that that was wrong, and they have been held to account at the UK inquiry. This isn't about what other Governments have done. This is about the pledges that this Government gave to bereaved families. It's a tragedy that they have not lived up to those pledges.</p>
<p>You look at the motion here today, and it's quite a straightforward motion, really. It says:</p>
<p>'Believes that the people of Wales deserve a full, independent, and transparent investigation into the decision made during the Covid-19 pandemic.'</p>
<p>Well, surely we agree with that. There's nothing to dispute there, surely. And then it goes on to say:</p>
<p>'Calls on the Welsh Government to establish a statutory judge-led public inquiry'.</p>
<p>This is what you agreed to. In the election campaign, you agreed to that. So, surely you would want to see that come to fruition. And then it says:</p>
<p>'publish all findings and recommendations in full.' </p>
<p>Well, surely you'd want to see that as well. So, what's not to agree in this motion? Why are you objecting to this motion? There are families up there who saw loved ones die because their lungs were filling up with fluid, and they were drowning in their own fluid, and they couldn't be there to help and support them. Yet last week, a Member of your group said, 'Have you got £10 million to waste?' That is the standard of bile that has been thrown at people who lost loved ones through this campaign by people on the Government benches. Instead of looking in the mirror, looking at yourselves and wondering where you've gone wrong, you've tried to blame the COVID bereaved families. I think that's despicable—utterly despicable.</p>
<p>What you need to do is face up and admit that you've got this wrong. The Minister should stand on his feet and correct the position that he's put the Government in by saying, 'We're going to have a review', and get on with an inquiry that lives up to the pledges that senior spokespeople, now Ministers, gave to the COVID bereaved families. And for the First Minister to say that he changed his mind when the UK COVID inquiry was formed is a blatant untruth, because the evidence shows that he was, up until last year, saying that there should be a judge-led COVID inquiry to deliver the results and the answers that we require here in Wales. Why try and politicise this so badly that you have turned against a group that only wants to see justice for people who lost loved ones and get answers for the rest of the families that have lived through hell in the last couple of years?</p>
<p>Many on your benches, if not all of you, are decent people. You have beliefs and you have conviction. Exercise those beliefs. Exercise that conviction. Look at the evidence, correct the position and bring forward that inquiry that you promised and pledged. Because if you don't, this will hang round your necks like a millstone, because it is a blatant lie that you sold at the election, given the evidence that we have seen. And I have to say—</p>
<p>Roeddem yn arfer eistedd draw lle mae Reform yn eistedd, ac roedd Plaid Cymru'n arfer eistedd lle rydym ni'n eistedd ar hyn o bryd. Y nifer o weithiau yr eisteddais ac edrych draw dros y Siambr ar siaradwyr Plaid Cymru yn cefnogi, lefarydd ar ôl llefarydd, ymchwiliad annibynnol—. Ond y gwir creulon amdani yw—. Y bobl rwy'n teimlo drostynt yn hyn oll yw'r teuluoedd a gollodd anwyliaid. Oherwydd, fel y gwelsom yn y negeseuon sydd wedi'u cyhoeddi, rhoddodd uwch Aelodau'r Llywodraeth hon, cyn-lefarwyr pan oeddent yn wrthblaid, ymrwymiadau iddynt, addewidion iddynt y byddent, pan oeddent yn Llywodraeth, yn sicrhau ymchwiliad annibynnol a fyddai'n gorfodi tystion i roi tystiolaeth iddo. Os wyf yn anghywir, gadewch i rywun ar y fainc flaen godi ar eu traed a'm cywiro. A roesoch chi'r addewidion hynny, neu a wyf i'n dweud celwydd wrth y Siambr hon? Nid oes yr un ohonoch am godi ar eich traed i'm cywiro am eich bod chi'n gwybod fy mod i'n gywir. A dyna sydd dan sylw yma.</p>
<p>Gwrandewais ar fy nghyd-Aelod Sarah Rees yn siarad am Lywodraethau eraill mewn mannau eraill a'r hyn a wnaethant hwy. Rydym yn cyfaddef bod hynny'n anghywir, ac maent wedi cael eu dwyn i gyfrif yn ymchwiliad y DU. Nid oes a wnelo hyn â'r pethau a wnaeth Llywodraethau eraill. Mae a wnelo hyn â'r addewidion a roddodd y Llywodraeth hon i deuluoedd mewn profedigaeth. Mae'n drasiedi nad ydynt wedi cadw at yr addewidion hynny.</p>
<p>Os edrychwch ar y cynnig yma heddiw, ac mae'n gynnig eithaf syml mewn gwirionedd. Mae'n cynnig bod y Senedd:</p>
<p>'Yn credu bod pobl Cymru yn haeddu ymchwiliad llawn, annibynnol a thryloyw i'r penderfyniadau a wnaed yn ystod pandemig COVID-19.'</p>
<p>Wel, rhaid ein bod yn cytuno â hynny. Nid oes unrhyw beth i anghytuno ag ef yno. Ac yna, mae'n mynd yn ei flaen i gynnig bod y Senedd:</p>
<p>'Yn galw ar Lywodraeth Cymru i sefydlu ymchwiliad cyhoeddus statudol o dan arweiniad barnwyr.'</p>
<p>Dyma y gwnaethoch chi gytuno iddo. Yn yr ymgyrch etholiadol, fe wnaethoch chi gytuno i hynny. Felly, rhaid y byddech chi eisiau gweld hynny'n dwyn ffrwyth. Ac yna, mae'n dweud:</p>
<p>'cyhoeddi'r holl ganfyddiadau ac argymhellion yn llawn.'</p>
<p>Wel, rhaid y byddech chi eisiau gweld hynny hefyd. Felly, beth sydd i anghytuno ag ef yn y cynnig hwn? Pam eich bod chi'n gwrthwynebu'r cynnig hwn? Mae teuluoedd i fyny yno a welodd eu hanwyliaid yn marw am fod eu hysgyfaint yn llenwi â hylif, ac roeddent yn boddi yn eu hylif eu hunain, ac ni allent fod yno i'w helpu a'u cefnogi. Eto i gyd, yr wythnos diwethaf, dywedodd Aelod o'ch grŵp, 'A oes gennych £10 miliwn i'w wastraffu?' Dyna'r math o ddicter a daflwyd at bobl a gollodd anwyliaid drwy'r ymgyrch hon gan bobl ar feinciau'r Llywodraeth. Yn hytrach nag edrych yn y drych, ac edrych arnoch chi'ch hunain a meddwl tybed ble rydych chi wedi mynd o'i le, rydych chi wedi ceisio beio'r teuluoedd mewn profedigaeth yn sgil COVID. Rwy'n credu bod hynny'n ffiaidd—yn gwbl ffiaidd.</p>
<p>Yr hyn sydd angen i chi ei wneud yw wynebu a chyfaddef eich bod wedi cael hyn yn anghywir. Dylai'r Gweinidog godi ar ei draed ac unioni'r sefyllfa y mae wedi rhoi'r Llywodraeth ynddi drwy ddweud, 'Rydym yn mynd i gael adolygiad', a bwrw ymlaen ag ymchwiliad sy'n cyflawni'r addewidion a roddwyd gan uwch-lefarwyr, sydd bellach yn Weinidogion, i'r teuluoedd mewn profedigaeth yn sgil COVID. Ac mae i'r Prif Weinidog ddweud ei fod wedi newid ei feddwl pan ffurfiwyd ymchwiliad COVID y DU yn gelwydd noeth, gan fod y dystiolaeth yn dangos ei fod, hyd at y llynedd, yn dweud y dylid cynnal ymchwiliad COVID o dan arweiniad barnwyr i ddarparu'r canlyniadau a'r atebion sydd eu hangen arnom yma yng Nghymru. Pam ceisio gwleidyddoli cymaint nes eich bod wedi troi yn erbyn grŵp sydd ond eisiau sicrhau cyfiawnder i bobl a gollodd anwyliaid a chael atebion i weddill y teuluoedd sydd wedi bod drwy uffern dros yr ychydig flynedd ddiwethaf?</p>
<p>Mae llawer ar eich meinciau, os nad pob un ohonoch, yn bobl weddus. Mae gennych gredoau ac mae gennych argyhoeddiad. Arferwch y credoau hynny. Arferwch yr argyhoeddiad hwnnw. Edrychwch ar y dystiolaeth, cywirwch eich safbwynt a chyflwynwch yr ymchwiliad a addawyd gennych. Oherwydd os na wnewch chi hynny, bydd yn faen melin o amgylch eich gyddfau, gan ei fod yn gelwydd noeth a werthwyd gennych yn yr etholiad, o ystyried y dystiolaeth a welsom. Ac mae'n rhaid imi ddweud—</p>
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<p>Sorry, could I just ask the Member to reflect on that statement, please?</p>
<p>Mae’n ddrwg gennyf, a gaf i ofyn i'r Aelod fyfyrio ar y datganiad hwnnw, os gwelwch yn dda?</p>
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<p>I will not reflect on it, Presiding Officer, because the evidence that the COVID bereaved families have put before us clearly shows that the health Minister and the leader of the house said to them in messages, and I've asked them to say if I'm not telling the truth, that there would be a COVID inquiry or review—call it what you will—that would have a statutory power to compel witnesses to give evidence.</p>
<p>Nid wyf am fyfyrio arno, Lywydd, gan fod y dystiolaeth y mae'r teuluoedd mewn profedigaeth yn sgil COVID wedi'i chyflwyno i ni yn dangos yn glir fod y Gweinidog iechyd ac arweinydd y tŷ wedi dweud wrthynt mewn negeseuon, ac rwyf wedi gofyn iddynt ddweud os nad wyf yn dweud y gwir, y byddent yn cynnal ymchwiliad neu adolygiad COVID—beth bynnag y dymunwch ei alw—y byddai ganddo bŵer statudol i orfodi tystion i roi tystiolaeth.</p>
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<p>I ask the Member again to reflect on the fact that he's accused another Member in this Chamber of lying.</p>
<p>Gofynnaf i'r Aelod eto fyfyrio ar y ffaith ei fod wedi cyhuddo Aelod arall yn y Siambr hon o ddweud celwydd.</p>
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<p>I believe that they have.</p>
<p>Rwy'n credu eu bod wedi gwneud hynny.</p>
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<p>We will move on, please. </p>
<p>Before we move on to the next speaker, can I just raise a point here? A Member previously directly spoke to two Members within this Chamber and made allegations, one of which I made clear was not within the context of this debate. In respect of the Member Paul Davies, I just want to make it clear that, in terms of the investigation that was carried out, the commissioner concluded that no rules were broken. I just want to put that on record. There was also mention made of another Member. I want to make it clear that that isn't appropriate. We need to stick, for the benefit of the COVID families who are listening, to the substance of the debate. I believe the Member wants to say something.</p>
<p>Symudwn ymlaen, os gwelwch yn dda.</p>
<p>Cyn inni symud ymlaen at y siaradwr nesaf, a gaf i godi pwynt yma? Mae Aelod wedi siarad yn uniongyrchol â dau Aelod yn y Siambr hon a gwneud honiadau, un ohonynt yr eglurais nad oedd o fewn cyd-destun y ddadl hon. O ran yr Aelod Paul Davies, hoffwn nodi'n glir, o ran yr ymchwiliad a gynhaliwyd, fod y comisiynydd wedi dod i'r casgliad na chafodd unrhyw reolau eu torri. Hoffwn i hynny gael ei gofnodi. Soniwyd hefyd am Aelod arall. Hoffwn nodi'n glir nad yw hynny'n briodol. Mae angen inni gadw at sylwedd y ddadl er budd y teuluoedd COVID sy'n gwrando. Rwy'n credu bod yr Aelod eisiau dweud rhywbeth.</p>
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<p>Diolch, Lywydd. I apologise, Paul, because I wasn't able to hear that comment. I was having a problem with being able to hear it. What I wanted to say at that point was that I apologise to you. I understand that you were cleared of those allegations. That wasn't the point I was wanting to make.</p>
<p>Ken Skates, I would like to deeply apologise for what I said, deeply apologise. I understand it's very upsetting. The purpose of this debate is COVID bereaved families, and I hope that you will sincerely accept my apology.</p>
<p>Diolch, Lywydd. Rwy'n ymddiheuro, Paul, gan na chlywais y sylw hwnnw. Roeddwn yn cael trafferth ei glywed. Yr hyn roeddwn am ei ddweud ar y pwynt hwnnw oedd fy mod yn ymddiheuro i chi. Rwy'n deall eich bod wedi eich clirio o'r honiadau hynny. Nid dyna oedd y pwynt roeddwn am ei wneud.</p>
<p>Ken Skates, rwyf am ymddiheuro'n fawr am yr hyn a ddywedais, ymddiheuro'n fawr. Rwy'n deall ei fod wedi peri cryn ofid. Pwrpas y ddadl hon yw teuluoedd mewn profedigaeth yn sgil COVID, a gobeithio y gwnewch chi dderbyn fy ymddiheuriad yn ddiffuant.</p>
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<p>I thank the Member for that.</p>
<p>Let us continue with the debate. Jane Dodds.</p>
<p>Diolch i'r Aelod am ymddiheuro.</p>
<p>Gadewch inni barhau â'r ddadl. Jane Dodds.</p>
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<p>Diolch, Lywydd. This is very sad, and I can see there's a lot of emotion in the Siambr this afternoon. But this is nothing compared to the sadness felt by the COVID bereaved families. Some I know are here, many of us have spoken to them, and I know many are watching online.</p>
<p>Lots has been said to the frontbench of Plaid Cymru, but it is really difficult to understand why you said what you said and have now gone back on it. My party, more than any other party in this Siambr, knows and has experienced what it's like to pledge something and then not carry it out. But in this situation, we're talking about people whose relatives have died. They have had the real sadness and blow of losing somebody loved by them in awful circumstances, hanging on to the fact that they were going to have this inquiry, and then another blow that they are now not going to have this inquiry. So, it is a double blow for these families. The first was, as we know, the loss itself. The loved ones who died separated from them and the goodbyes said through windows. We can all remember that time, I'm sure, and we've heard today references to how sad that is.</p>
<p>But Plaid Cymru have always told us that they want lived experiences in any of their processes, and yet we've heard that the COVID bereaved families are not going to participate in this inquiry, this review, and therefore it's going to be compromised. I do spare a thought for Professor Daniel Wincott, who has been asked to chair it. I wouldn't wish his position on anyone, because his review straight away has been compromised.</p>
<p>We heard from Plaid Cymru for years—we've been over that ground, and I wouldn't want to bear down even further. But we heard time and time again, and I was in the Siambr when that happened, from the Ministers who are sitting here. And it's important that you are here. You said on numerous occasions that you wanted an inquiry, and now you've just let that go. I don't understand the reasons why you've done that, I really don't. I don't know that it's money; if it is, let's hear it. I don't know if it's about powers; if it is, let's hear it. I don't think it's good enough to say, 'We're waiting for the UK', because that was never told to us when we heard it in the Siambr. But the integrity of this Welsh Government has really been tarnished through this. And I don't want to end on despair, I really don't, because this has been a terrible afternoon, let's be honest.</p>
<p>But I do want to comment on this debate right now. We know this is a non-binding debate, whatever the result is, whoever's come here to vote. We know that whether we win or lose it, it's absolutely non-binding. We know that there's going to be a prepared statement delivered to us. To be fair to Labour, at least they're honest; they didn't agree with it in the first place, and they don't agree with it now, which is different to what Plaid Cymru's position is. The cynic in me feels that this decision is being made right at the very beginning of this Government, because you feel that when it gets to the end, we might have forgotten about it. And that's a terrible position to be in.</p>
<p>I want to finish by really reflecting on the families and their feelings. I can't imagine what it must be like. They were let down by your response, and I do appeal to Plaid Cymru Members: please, please—many of you were not here in the last Senedd, but please take this back to your group. There is time to change your mind, there really is. There is time to see that the door is open, and I implore you to step through it and have a proper inquiry. Diolch yn fawr iawn.</p>
<p>Diolch, Lywydd. Mae hyn yn drist iawn, a gallaf weld bod llawer o emosiwn yn y Siambr y prynhawn yma. Ond nid yw hyn yn ddim o'i gymharu â'r tristwch a deimlwyd gan deuluoedd mewn profedigaeth yn sgil COVID. Gwn fod rhai ohonynt yma, mae llawer ohonom wedi siarad â nhw, a gwn fod llawer yn gwylio ar-lein.</p>
<p>Mae llawer wedi'i ddweud wrth fainc flaen Plaid Cymru, ond mae'n anodd iawn deall pam y dywedoch chi'r hyn a ddywedoch chi a bellach wedi torri eich gair. Mae fy mhlaid i, yn fwy nag unrhyw blaid arall yn y Siambr, yn gwybod ac wedi profi sut beth yw addo rhywbeth ac yna peidio â'i gyflawni. Ond yn y sefyllfa hon, rydym yn sôn am bobl y mae eu perthnasau wedi marw. Maent wedi cael y tristwch a'r ergyd wirioneddol o golli anwyliaid mewn amgylchiadau ofnadwy, gan lynu wrth y ffaith eu bod yn mynd i gael yr ymchwiliad hwn, ac yna'r ergyd arall nad ydynt bellach yn mynd i'w gael. Felly, mae'n ergyd ddwbl i'r teuluoedd hyn. Y cyntaf oedd y golled ei hun, fel y gwyddom. Yr anwyliaid a fu farw wedi'u gwahanu oddi wrthynt a'r ffarwelio drwy ffenestri. Gall pob un ohonom gofio'r amser hwnnw, rwy'n siŵr, ac rydym wedi clywed cyfeiriadau heddiw at ba mor drist yw hynny.</p>
<p>Ond mae Plaid Cymru bob amser wedi dweud wrthym eu bod eisiau cynnwys profiadau bywyd yn unrhyw un o'u prosesau, ac eto, clywsom nad yw'r teuluoedd mewn profedigaeth yn sgil COVID yn mynd i gymryd rhan yn yr ymchwiliad hwn, yr adolygiad hwn, ac felly fe fydd yn wannach. Rwy'n meddwl am yr Athro Daniel Wincott, y gofynnwyd iddo gadeirio'r adolygiad. Ni fuaswn yn dymuno i neb fod yn ei sefyllfa ef, gan fod ei adolygiad wedi'i wanhau cyn iddo ddechrau.</p>
<p>Clywsom gan Blaid Cymru am flynyddoedd—rydym wedi bod dros y tir hwnnw, ac ni fuaswn am bwyso ymhellach. Ond clywsom dro ar ôl tro, ac roeddwn yn y Siambr pan ddigwyddodd hynny, gan y Gweinidogion sy'n eistedd yma. Ac mae'n bwysig eich bod chi yma. Fe ddywedoch chi ar sawl achlysur eich bod chi eisiau ymchwiliad, a nawr, rydych chi wedi gadael i hynny fynd. Nid wyf yn deall o gwbl y rhesymau pam eich bod wedi gwneud hynny. Nid wyf yn siŵr ai arian yw'r rheswm; os felly, gadewch inni glywed hynny. Nid wyf yn gwybod a yw'n ymwneud â phwerau; os ydyw, gadewch inni glywed hynny. Ni chredaf ei bod yn ddigon da dweud, 'Rydym yn aros am y DU', gan na ddywedwyd hynny wrthym pan oeddem yn ei glywed yn y Siambr. Ond mae uniondeb y Llywodraeth hon wedi'i ddifwyno oherwydd hyn. Ac nid wyf am orffen gydag anobaith, gan fod hwn wedi bod yn brynhawn ofnadwy, gadewch inni fod yn onest.</p>
<p>Ond hoffwn wneud sylwadau ar y ddadl hon. Gwyddom nad yw'n ddadl rwymol, beth bynnag fydd ei chanlyniad, pwy bynnag a ddaeth yma i bleidleisio. Ni waeth a ydym yn ei hennill neu'n ei cholli, fe wyddom nad yw'n rhwymol o gwbl. Gwyddom y bydd datganiad parod yn cael ei gyflwyno i ni. A bod yn deg â Llafur, o leiaf maent yn onest; nid oeddent yn cytuno ag ef yn y lle cyntaf, ac nid ydynt yn cytuno ag ef nawr, sy'n wahanol i safbwynt Plaid Cymru. Mae'r sinig ynof yn teimlo bod y penderfyniad hwn yn cael ei wneud ar ddechrau'r Llywodraeth hon am eich bod yn teimlo, pan ddown at y diwedd, efallai y byddwn wedi anghofio amdano. Ac mae honno'n sefyllfa ofnadwy i fod ynddi.</p>
<p>Hoffwn gloi drwy fyfyrio o ddifrif ar y teuluoedd a'u teimladau. Ni allaf ddychmygu sut beth yw hyn iddynt. Cawsant eu siomi gan eich ymateb, ac rwy'n apelio ar Aelodau Plaid Cymru: os gwelwch yn dda—mae llawer ohonoch nad oeddech chi yma yn y Senedd ddiwethaf, ond ewch â hyn yn ôl i'ch grŵp. Mae amser ar ôl i newid eich meddwl, o ddifrif. Mae amser ar ôl i weld bod y drws ar agor, ac rwy'n erfyn arnoch i gamu drwyddo a chynnal ymchwiliad priodol. Diolch yn fawr iawn.</p>
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<p>It's almost seven years since the start of the COVID-19 pandemic, and many of us in this Chamber and around Wales will remember the fear of those early days. There are many of us that are still feeling the profound loss of loved ones, many in very sudden traumatic circumstances.</p>
<p>At the heart of this debate today, there are still people who want answers for their families and for their loved ones, and the Welsh Government needs answers too, and to learn for the future. I sincerely hope that the review will do that. It's important to acknowledge that the COVID-bereaved families group are not happy with the Government's approach here. We must also acknowledge the work that the group have achieved and their continuing profound grief.</p>
<p>No process can promise to answer every question we might have about the events of the past, but we owe it to those who suffered, to those we lost and to future generations to try. Again, I sincerely hope that the review will do that. To meet that responsibility, the review that has been announced must be able to access all of the information that it needs, and the Government has confirmed that the review will collect new information to fill gaps that are identified. This is very important, and I welcome that commitment.</p>
<p>But two questions remain, and I'd like to pose these to the Gweinidog, and I appreciate this is a debate, this is something to reflect on today or again. We need to know how will the Government work with the UK COVID inquiry to guarantee its collaboration with the review, and specifically how it will transfer the confidential information not publicly available. And how will the review learn from the work that the COVID-bereaved families have already done, and how will they be invited to share their expertise and evidence to its fullest effect? We have to work together on this; there are lots of bridges to be rebuilt. That's all I have to say. Diolch yn fawr.</p>
<p>Mae bron i saith mlynedd ers dechrau pandemig COVID-19, a bydd llawer ohonom yn y Siambr hon a ledled Cymru yn cofio'r ofn yn y dyddiau cynnar hynny. Mae llawer ohonom yn dal i deimlo colled ddofn ar ôl colli anwyliaid, llawer ohonynt mewn amgylchiadau trawmatig sydyn iawn.</p>
<p>Wrth wraidd y ddadl hon heddiw, mae pobl sy'n dal i fod eisiau atebion i'w teuluoedd ac i'w hanwyliaid, ac mae angen atebion ar Lywodraeth Cymru hefyd, ac mae angen iddi ddysgu ar gyfer y dyfodol. Rwy'n mawr obeithio y bydd yr adolygiad yn gwneud hynny. Mae'n bwysig cydnabod nad yw grŵp y teuluoedd mewn profedigaeth yn sgil COVID yn fodlon â dull y Llywodraeth o weithredu ar hyn. Hefyd, rhaid inni gydnabod y gwaith y mae'r grŵp wedi'i gyflawni a'u galar dwfn parhaus.</p>
<p>Ni all unrhyw broses addo ateb pob cwestiwn a allai fod gennym am ddigwyddiadau'r gorffennol, ond mae'n ddyletswydd arnom i geisio gwneud hynny er mwyn y rhai a ddioddefodd, er mwyn y rheini y gwnaethom eu colli ac er mwyn cenedlaethau'r dyfodol. Unwaith eto, rwy'n mawr obeithio y bydd yr adolygiad yn gwneud hynny. Er mwyn cyflawni'r cyfrifoldeb hwnnw, rhaid i'r adolygiad a gyhoeddwyd allu cael mynediad at yr holl wybodaeth sydd ei hangen arno, ac mae'r Llywodraeth wedi cadarnhau y bydd yr adolygiad yn casglu gwybodaeth newydd i lenwi bylchau a nodwyd. Mae hyn yn bwysig iawn, ac rwy'n croesawu'r ymrwymiad hwnnw.</p>
<p>Ond mae dau gwestiwn yn parhau, a hoffwn eu gofyn i'r Gweinidog, ac rwy'n sylweddoli mai dadl yw hon, a bod hyn yn rhywbeth i fyfyrio arno heddiw neu eto. Mae angen inni wybod sut y bydd y Llywodraeth yn gweithio gydag ymchwiliad COVID y DU i warantu ei chydweithrediad â'r adolygiad, ac yn benodol, sut y bydd yn trosglwyddo'r wybodaeth gyfrinachol nad yw ar gael i'r cyhoedd. A sut y bydd yr adolygiad yn dysgu o'r gwaith y mae'r teuluoedd mewn profedigaeth yn sgil COVID eisoes wedi'i wneud, a sut y cânt eu gwahodd i rannu eu harbenigedd a'u tystiolaeth i'w heffaith lawn? Rhaid inni weithio gyda'n gilydd ar hyn; mae llawer o bontydd i'w hailadeiladu. Dyna'r cyfan sydd gennyf i'w ddweud. Diolch yn fawr.</p>
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<p>The COVID-19 pandemic was an unprecedented event unlike anything most of us have experienced in our lifetime. It brought challenges and uncertainty on a scale few could have imagined. And I want to start off by thanking the group, the COVID-19 Bereaved Families for Justice Cymru, because they have had to live their lives since this terrible pandemic with that knowledge and having lost their loved ones. And all they have asked for is justice, for lessons to be learned and for a statutory public inquiry. And that is what has been reiterated here. It's what you, Cabinet Secretary for health, promised at the time, as other members of your now Cabinet did.</p>
<p>Roedd pandemig COVID-19 yn ddigwyddiad digynsail, yn wahanol i unrhyw beth y mae'r rhan fwyaf ohonom wedi'i brofi yn ein hoes. Cyflwynodd heriau ac ansicrwydd ar raddfa na allai fawr o neb fod wedi'i dychmygu. A hoffwn ddechrau drwy ddiolch i'r grŵp, COVID-19 Bereaved Families for Justice Cymru, gan eu bod wedi gorfod byw eu bywydau ers y pandemig ofnadwy hwn gyda'r wybodaeth honno ac ar ôl colli eu hanwyliaid. A'r cyfan y maent wedi gofyn amdano yw cyfiawnder, i wersi gael eu dysgu ac am ymchwiliad cyhoeddus statudol. A dyna sydd wedi'i ailadrodd yma. Dyna a addawyd gennych chi ar y pryd, Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet dros iechyd, fel y gwnaeth aelodau eraill o'ch Cabinet bellach.</p>
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<p>Tragically, 12,944 people in Wales lost their lives with COVID between 3 January 2020 and 27 September 2024. Betsi Cadwaladr, my own health board, recorded 2,536 COVID-19-related deaths, the highest number of any Welsh health board, while 1,097 patients entered Welsh care homes untested in March and April 2020. Now, I carried the portfolio and was shadow Minister for social care. So, it was a position where people were coming to me from across Wales, but no more so than in Aberconwy at the time. Behind every statistic was a person and a family grieving someone they loved. Those families deserve transparency, accountability and an honest account of the decisions taken in Wales. And that is why I and my colleagues on these Welsh Conservative benches continue and will keep continuing to call for a full Wales-wide judge-led statutory inquiry.</p>
<p>Now, the treatment of those running our care homes and our very vulnerable patients remains one of the most serious unanswered questions from this pandemic. On 27 March 2020, I wrote to the then health Minister calling for urgent action to supply social care staff with personal protective equipment, because at that point in time it was only going into the healthcare system. I asked the Welsh Government to contact every social care provider, assess its own needs and clarify how emergency support could be obtained. On 29 April 2020, I challenged the then health Minister in the Senedd and called for the immediate testing of asymptomatic care home residents. Without wider testing, we just didn't know, and the Government didn't know, the true spread of infection or know how to properly protect residents and indeed staff working in these environments.</p>
<p>On 22 June 2020, I called for an urgent inquiry into whether untested hospital discharges had increased infection rates and put vulnerable residents at risk. Care professionals had told me they were being placed under unacceptable pressures to accept patients from hospitals that were untested or some actually confirmed to have COVID-19. I also wrote to the Older People's Commissioner for Wales begging them to help seeking independent scrutiny. On 8 July 2020, I again questioned the health Minister in this Senedd, asking whether the Welsh Government would compare discharge records with COVID-19 cases in care homes. And I highlighted that 188 north Wales homes had received discharged patients in the nine weeks from 16 March. Families here, families out there deserve to know what impact those decisions had on their loved ones. They deserve to know whether their loved ones were among those admitted without a test and whether more could have been done to protect them. At that time, my colleague Darren Miller MS also raised concerns about a possible link between care home infection rates and hospital discharges. He, too, called for an urgent investigation.</p>
<p>Now, before the election, as has been said—. It's rather ironic that you're the party—Plaid Cymru are the party—that wanted to introduce this. You could lose your seat if you lied during the election time or lie during your time as a Senedd Member. You promised the COVID-bereaved families answers and proper closure and justice. In June 2020, they said the discharge of more than 1,000 untested patients into care should be a central question for a full public inquiry. Yet, you have just done a u-turn. You have betrayed the very people you have been elected to serve. </p>
<p>COVID-19 Bereaved Families for Justice Cymru, who have worked with the Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care, were promised this statutory inquiry. Now, that distinction matters from a review. The Welsh Conservatives have consistently called for a Wales-specific statutory inquiry. Our representative on the committee resigned from the Senedd Wales COVID-19 Inquiry Special Purpose Committee after Welsh Labour blocked our attempt to secure the safeguard of Ministers and officials giving evidence under oath. It is never too late to go back, Plaid Cymru Welsh Government Cabinet. It's never wrong to say, 'I'm sorry'. We get it.</p>
<p>Yn drasig, collodd 12,944 o bobl yng Nghymru eu bywydau gyda COVID rhwng 3 Ionawr 2020 a 27 Medi 2024. Cofnododd bwrdd Betsi Cadwaladr, fy mwrdd iechyd fy hun, 2,536 o farwolaethau cysylltiedig â COVID-19, y nifer uchaf o unrhyw fwrdd iechyd yng Nghymru, tra bo 1,097 o gleifion wedi mynd i gartrefi gofal Cymru heb eu profi ym mis Mawrth a mis Ebrill 2020. Nawr, roeddwn yn gyfrifol am y portffolio ac yn Weinidog yr wrthblaid dros ofal cymdeithasol. Felly, roeddwn mewn sefyllfa lle roedd pobl yn dod ataf o bob cwr o Gymru, ond yn enwedig o Aberconwy ar y pryd. Y tu ôl i bob ystadegyn, roedd unigolyn a theulu yn galaru dros rywun roeddent yn eu caru. Mae'r teuluoedd hynny'n haeddu tryloywder, atebolrwydd a chyfrif gonest o'r penderfyniadau a wnaed yng Nghymru. A dyna pam fy mod i a'm cyd-Aelodau ar feinciau'r Ceidwadwyr Cymreig yn parhau i alw am ymchwiliad statudol llawn dan arweiniad barnwyr i Gymru gyfan.</p>
<p>Nawr, mae triniaeth y rheini sy'n rhedeg ein cartrefi gofal a'n cleifion sy'n agored iawn i niwed yn parhau i fod yn un o'r cwestiynau mwyaf difrifol heb eu hateb o'r pandemig hwn. Ar 27 Mawrth 2020, ysgrifennais at y Gweinidog iechyd ar y pryd yn galw am gamau brys i gyflenwi cyfarpar diogelu personol i staff gofal cymdeithasol, oherwydd ar y pryd, nid oedd cyfarpar o'r fath ond yn mynd i mewn i'r system gofal iechyd yn unig. Gofynnais i Lywodraeth Cymru gysylltu â phob darparwr gofal cymdeithasol, asesu ei anghenion ac egluro sut y gellid cael gafael ar gymorth argyfwng. Ar 29 Ebrill 2020, heriais y Gweinidog iechyd ar y pryd yn y Senedd a galw am brofi preswylwyr cartrefi gofal asymptomatig ar unwaith. Heb brofion ehangach, nid oeddem yn gwybod, ac nid oedd y Llywodraeth yn gwybod, beth oedd gwir ledaeniad yr haint nac yn gwybod yn iawn sut i ddiogelu preswylwyr, na'r staff a oedd yn gweithio yn yr amgylcheddau hyn.</p>
<p>Ar 22 Mehefin 2020, galwais am ymchwiliad brys i weld a oedd rhyddhau cleifion o'r ysbyty heb gynnal profion arnynt wedi cynyddu cyfraddau heintiau ac wedi rhoi trigolion agored i niwed mewn perygl. Roedd gweithwyr gofal proffesiynol wedi dweud wrthyf eu bod yn cael eu rhoi o dan bwysau annerbyniol i dderbyn cleifion o ysbytai heb i brofion gael eu cynnal arnynt, neu gleifion y cadarnhawyd bod ganddynt COVID-19. Ysgrifennais hefyd at Gomisiynydd Pobl Hŷn Cymru yn erfyn arnynt i helpu i sicrhau craffu annibynnol. Ar 8 Gorffennaf 2020, holiais y Gweinidog iechyd eto yn y Senedd hon, gan ofyn a fyddai Llywodraeth Cymru yn cymharu cofnodion rhyddhau ag achosion COVID-19 mewn cartrefi gofal. A thynnais sylw at y ffaith bod 188 o gartrefi yng ngogledd Cymru wedi derbyn cleifion a ryddhawyd yn y naw wythnos o 16 Mawrth. Mae teuluoedd yma, teuluoedd allan yno, yn haeddu gwybod pa effaith a gafodd y penderfyniadau hynny ar eu hanwyliaid. Maent yn haeddu gwybod a oedd eu hanwyliaid ymhlith y rhai a dderbyniwyd heb brawf ac a ellid bod wedi gwneud mwy i'w diogelu. Ar y pryd, cododd fy nghyd-Aelod Darren Miller AS bryderon hefyd ynghylch cysylltiad posibl rhwng cyfraddau heintiau mewn cartrefi gofal a rhyddhau cleifion o'r ysbyty. Galwodd yntau hefyd am ymchwiliad brys.</p>
<p>Nawr, cyn yr etholiad, fel y dywedwyd—. Mae'n eithaf eironig mai chi yw'r blaid—Plaid Cymru yw'r blaid—a oedd eisiau cyflwyno hyn. Gallech golli'ch sedd pe baech chi'n dweud celwydd yn ystod cyfnod yr etholiad neu'n dweud celwydd yn ystod eich cyfnod fel Aelod o'r Senedd. Fe wnaethoch chi addo atebion, clo priodol a chyfiawnder i'r teuluoedd mewn profedigaeth yn sgil COVID. Ym mis Mehefin 2020, fe wnaethant ddweud y dylai rhyddhau mwy na 1,000 o gleifion heb eu profi i ofal fod yn gwestiwn canolog ar gyfer ymchwiliad cyhoeddus llawn. Ac eto, rydych chi newydd wneud tro pedol. Rydych chi wedi bradychu'r union bobl y cawsoch eich ethol i'w gwasanaethu.</p>
<p>Addawyd yr ymchwiliad statudol hwn i COVID-19 Bereaved Families for Justice Cymru, sydd wedi gweithio gydag Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol. Nawr, mae'r gwahaniaeth hwnnw rhwng ymchwiliad ac adolygiad yn bwysig. Mae'r Ceidwadwyr Cymreig wedi galw'n gyson am ymchwiliad statudol penodol i Gymru. Ymddiswyddodd ein cynrychiolydd o Bwyllgor Diben Arbennig Ymchwiliad COVID-19 Cymru y Senedd ar ôl i Lafur Cymru rwystro ein hymgais i sicrhau diogelwch i Weinidogion a swyddogion sy'n rhoi tystiolaeth dan lw. Nid yw byth yn rhy hwyr i fynd yn ôl, Gabinet Llywodraeth Plaid Cymru. Nid oes byth unrhyw beth o'i le ar ddweud, 'Mae’n ddrwg gennyf'. Rydym yn deall.</p>
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<p>The Deputy Presiding Officer (Kerry Ferguson) took the Chair.</p>
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<p>Sorry, Janet, can I ask you to conclude? Thank you.</p>
<p>Mae’n ddrwg gennyf, Janet, a gaf i ofyn ichi ddirwyn i ben? Diolch.</p>
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<p>I will finish now. Please—. Rhun, as the First Minister, you've just entered the Chamber now; you've missed a lot of very good contributions. This is not a political football for any of us to play. This is probably one of the most serious matters that will come up in this Senedd. I implore you to do what is just, to do what is right, to do what is moral and allow a public inquiry, judge led, to go ahead. Nothing less.</p>
<p>Fe wnaf orffen nawr. Os gwelwch yn dda—. Rhun, fel Prif Weinidog, rydych chi newydd ddod i mewn i'r Siambr nawr; rydych chi wedi colli llawer o gyfraniadau da iawn. Nid pêl-droed wleidyddol yw hon i unrhyw un ohonom. Mae'n un o'r materion mwyaf difrifol a fydd yn codi yn y Senedd hon yn ôl pob tebyg. Rwy'n erfyn arnoch i wneud yr hyn sy'n gyfiawn, i wneud yr hyn sy'n iawn, i wneud yr hyn sy'n foesol a chaniatáu i ymchwiliad cyhoeddus o dan arweiniad barnwyr fynd rhagddo. Dim llai.</p>
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<p>Diolch. Galwaf ar y Gweinidog Cabinet dros Effeithiolrwydd Llywodraeth a’r Cyfansoddiad, Dafydd Trystan Davies.</p>
<p>Thank you. I call on the the Cabinet Minister for Government Effectiveness and the Constitution, Dafydd Trystan Davies.</p>
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<p>Diolch yn fawr, Ddirprwy Lywydd. Pan fyddwn ni'n trafod profiadau pobl o'r pandemig COVID-19 yn y lle hwn, mae'n bwysig iawn inni gofio yr effaith gwbl ddinistriol ac am y rheini sydd yn dal wedi eu heffeithio hyd heddiw, gan gynnwys y rhai rŷn ni'n eu hadnabod a'u caru.</p>
<p>Mae ein hystyriaeth o'r materion pwysig hyn a'n hymateb ni iddyn nhw yn parhau. Ond gadewch inni gofio bod galar a gofid y rhai sydd wedi eu heffeithio hefyd yn parhau. Dyna pam mae'n rhaid i ni fel Llywodraeth gymryd y camau mwyaf priodol i sicrhau ein bod wedi paratoi'n well ar gyfer <em>pandemics</em> y dyfodol. Dyna pam rŷn ni wedi sefydlu adolygiad COVID, i sgrwtineiddio, i ddal pobl i gyfrif, i sicrhau ymateb gwell yn y dyfodol, a pham na all y Llywodraeth hon gefnogi'r cynnig sydd wedi'i gosod gerbron. Nid oherwydd—</p>
<p>Thank you, Dirprwy Lywydd. When we discuss people's experiences of the COVID-19 pandemic in this place, it's very important that we bear in mind the completely destructive impact and those who continue to be affected today, including those whom we know and love.</p>
<p>Our consideration of these important issues and our response to them continue. But let us remember that the grief and anxiety of those affected also continue. That's why we as a Government must take the most appropriate steps to ensure that we are better prepared for future pandemics. That is why we have established a COVID review, to scrutinise, to hold people to account, to secure a better response in the future, and why this Government cannot support the motion before us today. Not because—</p>
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<p>Shame on you.</p>
<p>Rhag eich cywilydd.</p>
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<p>Nid oherwydd na ddylid cynnal ymchwiliad i'r penderfyniadau a wnaed yn ystod y pandemig, ond oherwydd bod nifer o'r ymchwiliadau hynny eisoes yn symud yn eu blaen. Fel rhan o ymchwiliad COVID Prydain, edrychwyd ar nifer sylweddol iawn o faterion ar draws cylch gorchwyl eang iawn, ac mae nifer o'r adroddiadau hynny wedi'u cyhoeddi ers yr etholiad, ac mae rhagor o fodiwlau i ddod. Mae'r gwaith hwn wedi'i wneud yn annibynnol ar unrhyw Lywodraeth, ac yn drwyadl ac yn dryloyw. Maen nhw dros hanner ffordd trwy eu rhaglen. Ac—</p>
<p>Not because an inquiry shouldn't be held into the decisions taken during the pandemic, but because many of those inquiries are already progressing. As part of the UK COVID inquiry, a large number of issues were looked at across a very broad remit, and many of those reports have been published since the election, and there are more modules to come. That work has been done independent of any Government, and is thorough and transparent. They are more than halfway through their programme. And—</p>
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<p>Would you take an intervention—a short one?</p>
<p>A wnewch chi dderbyn ymyriad—un byr?</p>
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<p>I do, Janet, want to make some progress. Members have made a number of points, and I've been asked to explain very clearly why we have reached the position we have. I intend to do so, so I will make progress with—</p>
<p>Janet, rwyf eisiau gwneud rhywfaint o gynnydd. Mae'r Aelodau wedi gwneud nifer o bwyntiau, a gofynnwyd imi esbonio'n glir iawn sut y daethom i'r safbwynt hwn. Rwy'n bwriadu gwneud hynny, felly fe wnaf gynnydd gyda—</p>
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<p>Just tell me why the COVID-19 bereaved families can't be part of that evidence giving?</p>
<p>Dywedwch wrthyf pam na all y teuluoedd mewn profedigaeth yn sgil COVID-19 fod yn rhan o'r broses honno o roi tystiolaeth?</p>
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<p>I would be delighted, and I shall repeat what I have said in this Chamber before—. I know the grave disappointment they feel as to the position we are in. I would be delighted if the COVID bereaved families were to engage with our review, and I am keen to see whatever way possible we can as a Government to facilitate that participation in the review. I make that commitment absolutely and categorically to this Chamber. Diolch, Janet.</p>
<p>Buaswn wrth fy modd, ac rwyf am ailadrodd yr hyn rwyf wedi'i ddweud yn y Siambr hon yn flaenorol—. Rwy'n ymwybodol o'r siom enfawr y maent yn ei theimlo ynghylch ein sefyllfa. Buaswn wrth fy modd pe bai'r teuluoedd mewn profedigaeth yn sgil COVID yn ymgysylltu â'n hadolygiad, ac rwy'n awyddus i weld sut y gallwn hwyluso'r cyfranogiad hwnnw yn yr adolygiad fel Llywodraeth. Rwy'n gwneud yr ymrwymiad hwnnw'n llwyr ac yn bendant i'r Siambr hon. Diolch, Janet.</p>
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<p>Felly, mae ymchwiliad Prydain wedi edrych yn fanwl ar nifer o faterion. Mae'n werth edrych ar rai o'r adroddiadau hynny.</p>
<p>So, the UK inquiry has looked in detail at a number of issues. It is worth looking at some of those reports.</p>
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<p>I was reading the module 6 report again over the weekend. I'm quoting:</p>
<p>'Updated guidance on hospital discharge requirements was published by the Welsh Government on 29 April 2020.... This took too long.'</p>
<p>Had the Welsh Government</p>
<p>'recognised the importance of adequate IPC training in the adult social care sector from late January 2020 and acted with sufficient urgency to ensure that additional training was provided, greater protection could have been provided for both staff and users of adult social care.'</p>
<p>There was a 'lack of advance planning' by the Welsh Government about the financial support for care homes that was needed</p>
<p>'to remain sustainable and to meet increasing costs caused by a pandemic.'</p>
<p>And we as a Government are already responding to the recommendations that the UK inquiry has made. Since taking office, we've published responses to recommendations made in respect of healthcare and vaccine modules, and we'll publish an update on progress in relation to recommendations on resilience and preparedness and Government decision making by the end of this month.</p>
<p>I am determined that we will learn the lessons from the pandemic, and I'm focused on ensuring that the recommendations from the inquiry are implemented. But there is more to do. And where evidence is insufficient or gaps remain, just as my colleague the Member for Sir Fynwy Torfaen was illustrating, where evidence is insufficient or gaps remain, our review panel will be able to examine the issues in greater depth and identify where more needs to be done in the Welsh context.</p>
<p>Now, I know there's been much political debate today, but I do want to focus our minds—focus our minds as parliamentarians who owe to our electors our good judgment on the facts of the matter and the framework of public inquiries. The motion set out by the Welsh Conservatives highlights the example of the Scottish COVID inquiry.</p>
<p>Fe ddarllenais yr adroddiad modiwl 6 eto dros y penwythnos. Mae'n dweud:</p>
<p>'Cyhoeddwyd canllawiau wedi'u diweddaru ar ofynion rhyddhau ysbytai gan Lywodraeth Cymru ar 29 Ebrill 2020.... Cymerodd hyn ormod o amser.'</p>
<p>Petai Llywodraeth Cymru</p>
<p>'wedi cydnabod pwysigrwydd hyfforddiant atal a rheoli heintiau digonol yn y sector gofal cymdeithasol i oedolion o ddiwedd mis Ionawr 2020 ac wedi cymryd camau gyda digon o frys i sicrhau bod hyfforddiant ychwanegol yn cael ei ddarparu, gellid bod wedi darparu mwy o amddiffyniad i staff a defnyddwyr gofal cymdeithasol i oedolion.'</p>
<p>Roedd 'diffyg cynllunio ymlaen llaw' gan Lywodraeth Cymru ynghylch y cymorth ariannol yr oedd ei angen ar gyfer cartrefi gofal</p>
<p>'i barhau'n gynaliadwy ac i ddiwallu'r costau cynyddol a achosir gan bandemig.'</p>
<p>Ac rydym ni fel Llywodraeth eisoes yn ymateb i'r argymhellion a wnaed gan ymchwiliad y DU. Ers dod i rym, rydym wedi cyhoeddi ymatebion i argymhellion a wnaed mewn perthynas â modiwlau gofal iechyd a brechlynnau, a byddwn yn cyhoeddi diweddariad ar gynnydd mewn perthynas ag argymhellion ar wydnwch a pharatoadau a phrosesau penderfynu'r Llywodraeth erbyn diwedd y mis hwn.</p>
<p>Rwy'n benderfynol o'n gweld yn dysgu'r gwersi o'r pandemig, ac rwy'n canolbwyntio ar sicrhau bod argymhellion yr ymchwiliad yn cael eu rhoi ar waith. Ond mae mwy i'w wneud. A lle mae tystiolaeth yn annigonol neu lle mae bylchau'n parhau, yn union fel roedd fy nghyd-Aelod yr Aelod dros Sir Fynwy Torfaen yn ei nodi, lle mae tystiolaeth yn annigonol neu lle mae bylchau'n parhau, bydd ein panel adolygu'n gallu archwilio'r materion yn fanylach a nodi lle mae angen gwneud mwy yng nghyd-destun Cymru.</p>
<p>Nawr, gwn fod llawer o ddadlau gwleidyddol wedi bod heddiw, ond hoffwn inni ganolbwyntio—canolbwyntio fel seneddwyr sydd â dyletswydd i'n hetholwyr i ddefnyddio ein crebwyll ynghylch y ffeithiau a fframwaith ymchwiliadau cyhoeddus. Mae'r cynnig a gyflwynwyd gan y Ceidwadwyr Cymreig yn tynnu sylw at enghraifft ymchwiliad COVID yr Alban.</p>
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<p>Which you used to highlight.</p>
<p>Yr arferech chi dynnu sylw ato.</p>
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<p>Indeed. Members may not be aware of the costs of the Scottish COVID inquiry that have already been incurred—£58 million. And yes, you did hear that correctly—£58 million. Members may also not be familiar, and, responsibly—[<em>Interruption</em>.]—I've been looking at the details. I will make progress now, Member. Members may also not be familiar with how the inquiry has progressed. Colleagues will be familiar with the legal advocate Aamer Anwar, who acts on behalf of the Scottish COVID Bereaved group: 'Why will this inquiry report some eight years after COVID-19 began, and what has £60 million been spent on thus far?' Those are the challenges that there are with the Scottish COVID inquiry, and that is part of the motion before us today. But Members may rightly say, 'Well, that is only one example. It may have been a particularly injudicious choice on behalf of our Conservative colleagues in terms of the relevant public inquiry.' But, no, that would not be accurate. The challenges of the Scottish inquiry are not bugs in the system, but features of public inquiries.</p>
<p>Members, I'm sure, are aware that public inquiries are established by Ministers under the Inquiries Act 2005, and they have been subject to considerable discussion and debate in recent years, and criticised on three counts: costs, timeliness and the failure to follow through on recommendations. I suspect Members, given the tenor of the debate, may not be minded to take my word for it. I'll take an intervention—</p>
<p>Yn wir. Efallai nad yw'r Aelodau'n ymwybodol o gostau'r ymchwiliad COVID yn yr Alban—£58 miliwn yn barod. A do, fe glywsoch hynny'n gywir—£58 miliwn. Efallai nad yw'r Aelodau'n gyfarwydd chwaith, ac yn gyfrifol iawn—[<em>Torri ar draws</em>.]—rwyf wedi bod yn edrych ar y manylion. Rwyf am wneud rhywfaint o gynnydd nawr, Aelod. Efallai nad yw'r Aelodau'n gyfarwydd chwaith â sut y mae'r ymchwiliad wedi symud ymlaen. Bydd fy nghyd-Aelodau'n gyfarwydd â'r adfocad cyfreithiol Aamer Anwar, sy'n gweithredu ar ran y grŵp Scottish COVID Bereaved: 'Pam y bydd yr ymchwiliad hwn yn adrodd tua wyth mlynedd ar ôl i COVID-19 ddechrau, ac ar beth y mae £60 miliwn wedi'i wario hyd yma?' Dyna'r heriau gyda'r ymchwiliad COVID yn yr Alban, ac mae hynny'n rhan o'r cynnig ger ein bron heddiw. Ond gallai'r Aelodau ddweud, yn gywir ddigon, 'Wel, dim ond un enghraifft yw honno. Efallai ei fod yn ddewis arbennig o annoeth ar ran ein cyd-Aelodau Ceidwadol o ran yr ymchwiliad cyhoeddus perthnasol.' Ond na, ni fyddai hynny'n gywir. Nid diffygion yn y system yw heriau'r ymchwiliad yn yr Alban, ond nodweddion ymchwiliadau cyhoeddus.</p>
<p>Rwy'n siŵr bod yr Aelodau'n ymwybodol fod ymchwiliadau cyhoeddus yn cael eu sefydlu gan Weinidogion o dan Ddeddf Ymchwiliadau 2005, ac maent wedi bod yn destun cryn drafod a dadlau yn y blynyddoedd diwethaf, ac wedi cael eu beirniadu ar dri chyfrif: costau, amseroldeb a'r methiant i roi argymhellion ar waith. Rwy'n tybio efallai nad yw'r Aelodau, o ystyried cywair y ddadl, yn awyddus i dderbyn fy ngair i ar hyn. Fe wnaf dderbyn ymyriad—</p>
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<p>I'm really grateful to you, Cabinet Minister.</p>
<p>Rwy'n wirioneddol ddiolchgar i chi, Weinidog Cabinet.</p>
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<p>—and I will, hopefully, explain in full.</p>
<p>—ac rwy'n gobeithio y gallaf egluro'n llawn.</p>
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<p>The health Minister agreed with the COVID bereaved families—we've seen the correspondence—on a limited public inquiry, focusing on health and social care, at a cost of £10 million, advised by the legal representative to the infected blood scandal. So, there's a model there that you as a party agreed to, via your health Minister, the then health spokesperson. So, stop misleading this Chamber, throwing in the £58 million. You had a deal, and you've reneged on it.</p>
<p>Cytunodd y Gweinidog iechyd â'r teuluoedd mewn profedigaeth yn sgil COVID—rydym wedi gweld yr ohebiaeth—ynghylch ymchwiliad cyhoeddus cyfyngedig, yn canolbwyntio ar iechyd a gofal cymdeithasol, ar gost o £10 miliwn, fel y cynghorodd y cynrychiolydd cyfreithiol i'r sgandal gwaed heintiedig. Felly, mae model yno y cytunoch chi iddo fel plaid, drwy eich Gweinidog iechyd, y llefarydd iechyd ar y pryd. Felly, rhowch y gorau i gamarwain y Siambr hon wrth grybwyll y £58 miliwn. Roeddech chi wedi cytuno, ac rydych chi wedi torri'ch gair.</p>
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<p>Dirprwy Lywydd, our manifesto was clear, and we have studied the costs of public inquiries right across the UK. The Member mentions the infected blood inquiry. Would the Member like to intervene and tell us how much that has cost?</p>
<p>Ddirprwy Lywydd, roedd ein maniffesto'n glir, ac rydym wedi astudio costau ymchwiliadau cyhoeddus ledled y DU. Mae'r Aelod yn sôn am yr ymchwiliad i waed heintiedig. A hoffai'r Aelod ymyrryd a dweud wrthym faint y mae hwnnw wedi'i gostio?</p>
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<p>I will repeat again: your health spokesperson had an agreement with the COVID bereaved families for an 18-month public inquiry costing £10 million. Did he not? Did he not?</p>
<p>Rwy'n ailadrodd eto: fe wnaeth eich llefarydd iechyd gytuno â'r teuluoedd mewn profedigaeth yn sgil COVID ar ymchwiliad cyhoeddus 18 mis a fyddai'n costio £10 miliwn. Oni wnaeth? Oni wnaeth?</p>
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<p>I can help him out—it has cost over £100 million.</p>
<p>Gallaf ei helpu—mae wedi costio dros £100 miliwn.</p>
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<p>Did he not?</p>
<p>Oni wnaeth?</p>
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<p>I shall now make progress. The leader of the Welsh Conservatives may now—</p>
<p>Rwyf am wneud rhywfaint o gynnydd nawr. Gall arweinydd y Ceidwadwyr Cymreig—</p>
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<p>The average cost of a public inquiry is £11.6 million, according to the House of Commons research team.</p>
<p>Cost gyfartalog ymchwiliad cyhoeddus yw £11.6 miliwn, yn ôl tîm ymchwil Tŷ’r Cyffredin.</p>
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Trystan Davies, Dafydd
<p>Let us now make progress. Members should not take my word for it—and I apologise, Dirprwy Lywydd, I have been indulging Members, because I think this is an important debate—. Members should not take my word for it, but turn to respected independent commentary. The Institute for Government has said:</p>
<p>'Public inquiries are taking longer, costing more, and too often failing to deliver meaningful change.'</p>
<p>The House of Lords, esteemed Lord Norton of Louth, looked at these matters:</p>
<p>'too often inquiries are failing, chiefly because when they report there is no obligation on government to act.... And if it says it accepts them, there is no systematic means of monitoring implementation. Inquiries cannot themselves pursue government because the moment they report, they cease to exist.'</p>
<p>The legislative framework for public inquiries, as established by independent experts, is challenging. That is the position I was faced with, conscientiously, carefully, as a Government Minister, considering what we should do. We must think very carefully before rushing to conduct inquiries before that overdue reform of the system takes place. And as the Scottish COVID inquiry example demonstrates in very clear terms, and the independent evidence shows, public inquiries today in the UK face serious challenges around cost, around timeliness and ability to deliver recommendations. And that is why I took the decision I did, and that is why I have reported it to the Senedd.</p>
<p>I shall make one comment on my colleague Jane Dodds's point about the timing of that. I would expect Members of the Senedd to hold me and my colleagues to account for the progress of that review over the next three years. I am determined that we do better in the future. We owe it to all of those who lost their lives to do so, and I would urge Members to think, when we come to vote as parliamentarians, to recognise the very real effects that COVID has seen right across the country, that people still feel, and to learn those lessons effectively, and to hold this Government to account for doing so. Please support the Government amendment. Diolch yn fawr.</p>
<p>Gadewch inni wneud cynnydd nawr. Ni ddylai Aelodau gymryd fy ngair i ar hyn—ac mae’n ddrwg gennyf, Ddirprwy Lywydd, rwyf wedi bod yn hael â'r Aelodau, gan y credaf fod hon yn ddadl bwysig—. Ni ddylai Aelodau gymryd fy ngair i ar hyn, ond dylent droi at sylwebaeth annibynnol uchel ei pharch. Mae'r Institute for Government wedi dweud:</p>
<p>'Mae ymchwiliadau cyhoeddus yn cymryd mwy o amser, yn costio mwy, ac yn rhy aml yn methu sicrhau newid ystyrlon.'</p>
<p>Edrychodd Tŷ’r Arglwyddi, yr Arglwydd Norton o Louth, ar y materion hyn:</p>
<p>'yn rhy aml, mae ymchwiliadau'n methu, yn bennaf oherwydd pan fyddant yn adrodd, nid oes rhwymedigaeth ar lywodraeth i weithredu... Ac os yw'n dweud ei bod yn eu derbyn, nid oes unrhyw fodd systematig o fonitro gweithrediad. Ni all ymchwiliadau eu hunain bwyso ar lywodraeth oherwydd y funud y maent yn adrodd, maent yn dod i ben.'</p>
<p>Mae'r fframwaith deddfwriaethol ar gyfer ymchwiliadau cyhoeddus, fel y'i sefydlwyd gan arbenigwyr annibynnol, yn heriol. Dyna'r sefyllfa yr oeddwn yn ei hwynebu, yn gydwybodol, yn ofalus, fel Gweinidog Llywodraeth, wrth ystyried yr hyn y dylem ei wneud. Rhaid inni feddwl yn ofalus iawn cyn rhuthro i gynnal ymchwiliadau cyn i'r system gael ei diwygio fel sydd ei angen yn daer. Ac fel y mae enghraifft ymchwiliad COVID yr Alban yn ei ddangos yn glir iawn, ac fel y mae'r dystiolaeth annibynnol yn ei ddangos, mae ymchwiliadau cyhoeddus heddiw yn y DU yn wynebu heriau difrifol yn ymwneud â chost, amseroldeb a'r gallu i gyflawni argymhellion. A dyna pam y gwneuthum y penderfyniad a wneuthum, a dyna pam fy mod wedi'i adrodd i'r Senedd.</p>
<p>Fe wnaf un sylw ar bwynt fy nghyd-Aelod Jane Dodds ynglŷn ag amseriad hynny. Buaswn yn disgwyl i Aelodau'r Senedd fy nwyn i a'm cyd-Aelodau i gyfrif am gynnydd yr adolygiad hwnnw dros y tair blynedd nesaf. Rwy'n benderfynol o'n gweld yn gwneud yn well yn y dyfodol. Dyna yw ein dyletswydd i bawb a gollodd eu bywydau, a hoffwn annog yr Aelodau i feddwl, pan ddaw'n amser i bleidleisio fel seneddwyr, i gydnabod yr effeithiau gwirioneddol y mae COVID wedi'u cael ledled y wlad, effeithiau y mae pobl yn dal i'w teimlo, ac i ddysgu'r gwersi hynny'n effeithiol, ac i ddwyn y Llywodraeth hon i gyfrif am wneud hynny. Cefnogwch welliant y Llywodraeth. Diolch yn fawr.</p>
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<p>Daeth y Llywydd (Huw Irranca-Davies) i’r Gadair.</p>
<p>The Llywydd (Huw Irranca-Davies) took the Chair.</p>
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<p>Galwaf ar Sam Rowlands i ymateb i'r ddadl.</p>
<p>I call on Sam Rowlands to reply to the debate.</p>
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<p>Diolch, Lywydd. I'd like to begin by thanking everyone who has taken part in this debate today, especially those showing support for our motion here this afternoon. Members across the Chamber have been right to thank, especially, the COVID bereaved families for justice group, families who have been fighting tirelessly for six years for truth, transparency and justice for their loved ones.</p>
<p>Llywydd, every single person in this Chamber and every person across Wales has carried a personal experience of COVID-19. We all remember being locked down, being separated from our elderly parents, missing the births of children, the funerals of friends, or catching the virus ourselves and facing that profound collective uncertainty. We've heard today moving testimonies from Members across this Chamber detailing their own experiences and the devastating impact on their families.</p>
<p>It's because we placed our lives, our health and our communities into the hands of Government during those dark days that politics revealed itself for what it truly is—a profound public trust. At the heart of democratic governance lies an absolute moral obligation: the pursuit of truth, the preservation of absolute integrity. When a society faces a crisis of that magnitude, that obligation becomes entirely sacred. Yet, under the foundational principles of the social contract, authority is never absolute, it's borrowed from the people. Because power without accountability is merely a shadow on democracy. Rigorous scrutiny is not a bureaucratic hurdle or procedural annoyance, it's the very oxygen of a free society. It's the moral duty of the state.</p>
<p>And this Welsh Government—any Welsh Government—cannot expect to hold devolved powers while evading the unvarnished responsibility for how those powers were used. A genuine inquiry is the essential instrument through which a community honours its grief, learns from its mistakes and tests its own conscience. It must be judge-led, politically impartial and completely fearless, compelling all voices to be heard so that no stone is left unturned. A mere review lacking teeth and statutory power is a quiet compromise from the truth. It's a compromise that those we lost and the families they left behind simply do not deserve.</p>
<p>Cabinet Minister, we are confronted today with a profound question of principle and moral consistency. True political integrity requires that our words when we are in opposition must match our actions when we hold power. It requires that our moral commitments remain steadfast regardless of shifting political convenience. When principles are discarded for the sake of expediency, public trust is fractured and the bond between the citizen and its Government is damaged. We've watched a deeply troubling departure from commitments previously made here today—commitments shared proudly alongside the bereaved families themselves. We've witnessed a shift from the absolute demand for a full statutory inquiry to settling for lesser, muted measures that lack the statutory power to compel truth or demand accountability.</p>
<p>And this debate today has been much more than a routine policy disagreement. It's a fundamental test of whether our democratic institutions honour their word and treat citizens with the dignity that they are owed. Plaid Cymru must realign its actions with its foundational principles, keep its solemn promises to the bereaved families, and commission a real statutory inquiry into the Welsh Government's handling of the pandemic.</p>
<p>Diolch, Lywydd. Hoffwn ddechrau drwy ddiolch i bawb sydd wedi cymryd rhan yn y ddadl hon heddiw, yn enwedig y rhai sy'n dangos cefnogaeth i'n cynnig yma y prynhawn yma. Mae Aelodau ar draws y Siambr wedi bod yn iawn i ddiolch, yn enwedig, i'r grŵp COVID-19 Bereaved Families for Justice, teuluoedd sydd wedi bod yn ymladd yn ddiflino ers chwe blynedd dros wirionedd, tryloywder a chyfiawnder i'w hanwyliaid.</p>
<p>Lywydd, mae gan bob unigolyn yn y Siambr hon a phob unigolyn ledled Cymru brofiad personol o COVID-19. Mae pob un ohonom yn cofio'r cyfyngiadau symud, cael ein gwahanu oddi wrth ein rhieni oedrannus, colli genedigaethau plant, angladdau ffrindiau, neu ddal y feirws ein hunain ac wynebu'r ansicrwydd cyfunol dwys hwnnw. Rydym wedi clywed tystiolaeth deimladwy heddiw gan Aelodau ar draws y Siambr yn manylu ar eu profiadau eu hunain a'r effaith ddinistriol ar eu teuluoedd.</p>
<p>Oherwydd ein bod wedi rhoi ein bywydau, ein hiechyd a'n cymunedau yn nwylo'r Llywodraeth yn y dyddiau tywyll hynny, fe ddatgelwyd beth yw gwleidyddiaeth mewn gwirionedd—ymddiriedaeth gyhoeddus ddofn. Wrth wraidd llywodraethiant democrataidd, mae rhwymedigaeth foesol absoliwt: mynd ar drywydd y gwirionedd, cadw uniondeb llwyr. Pan fydd cymdeithas yn wynebu argyfwng mor fawr, mae'r rhwymedigaeth honno'n dod yn gwbl sanctaidd. Ac eto, o dan egwyddorion sylfaenol y contract cymdeithasol, nid yw awdurdod byth yn absoliwt, caiff ei fenthyg gan y bobl. Oherwydd mae pŵer heb atebolrwydd yn gysgod ar ddemocratiaeth. Nid rhwystr biwrocrataidd na bwrn gweithdrefnol yw craffu trylwyr, dyma ocsigen cymdeithas rydd. Mae'n ddyletswydd foesol ar y wladwriaeth.</p>
<p>Ac ni all y Llywodraeth hon yng Nghymru—unrhyw Lywodraeth yng Nghymru—ddisgwyl dal pwerau datganoledig gan osgoi'r cyfrifoldeb diamheuol am y modd y defnyddiwyd y pwerau hynny. Ymchwiliad dilys yw'r offeryn hanfodol y mae cymuned yn anrhydeddu ei galar drwyddo, yn dysgu o'i chamgymeriadau ac yn profi ei chydwybod ei hun. Rhaid iddo gael ei arwain gan farnwyr, a bod yn ddiduedd yn wleidyddol ac yn gwbl eofn, gan gymell pob llais i gael ei glywed fel nad oes unrhyw garreg ar ôl heb ei throi. Mae adolygiad yn unig, heb ddannedd a phŵer statudol, yn gyfaddawd tawel rhag y gwir. Mae'n gyfaddawd nad yw'r rhai a gollwyd gennym a'r teuluoedd a adawyd ar ôl ganddynt yn ei haeddu.</p>
<p>Weinidog Cabinet, rydym yn wynebu cwestiwn dwys heddiw ynghylch egwyddor a chysondeb moesol. Mae uniondeb gwleidyddol gwirioneddol yn ei gwneud yn ofynnol i'n geiriau pan fyddwn mewn gwrthblaid gyd-fynd â'n gweithredoedd pan fyddwn mewn grym. Mae'n ei gwneud yn ofynnol i'n hymrwymiadau moesol aros yn gadarn beth bynnag y bo'r newidiadau o ran cyfleustra gwleidyddol. Pan gaiff egwyddorion eu gwrthod er hwylustod, caiff ymddiriedaeth y cyhoedd ei ddarnio a'r cwlwm rhwng y dinesydd a'i Lywodraeth ei ddifrodi. Rydym wedi gweld troi cefn difrifol ar ymrwymiadau blaenorol yma heddiw—ymrwymiadau a rennir yn falch â'r teuluoedd mewn profedigaeth eu hunain. Rydym wedi gweld cilio oddi wrth y galw absoliwt am ymchwiliad statudol llawn a setlo am fesurau llai, di-awch nad oes ganddynt bŵer statudol i orfodi'r gwirionedd na mynnu atebolrwydd.</p>
<p>Ac mae'r ddadl hon heddiw wedi bod yn llawer mwy nag anghytundeb arferol ynghylch polisi. Mae'n brawf sylfaenol o barodrwydd ein sefydliadau democrataidd i gadw at eu gair a thrin dinasyddion â'r urddas sy'n ddyledus iddynt. Rhaid i Blaid Cymru ailalinio ei gweithredoedd â'i hegwyddorion sylfaenol, cadw ei haddewidion difrifddwys i'r teuluoedd mewn profedigaeth, a chomisiynu ymchwiliad statudol go iawn i'r ffordd y gwnaeth Llywodraeth Cymru ddelio â'r pandemig.</p>
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<p>Will you take an intervention?</p>
<p>A wnewch chi dderbyn ymyriad?</p>
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<p>Certainly.</p>
<p>Wrth gwrs.</p>
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<p>Thank you. You are right to say that integrity is at the heart of the debate today. We've heard from the Minister, and I think it's been quite unfair to put the Minister in this position; he wasn't in the Senedd before May. Do you agree with me, Sam, that we could have better been served by hearing today from the health Minister, the Trefnydd and the First Minister, for them to explain why they made the promises they did and then haven't delivered on them?</p>
<p>Diolch. Rydych chi'n llygad eich lle yn dweud bod uniondeb yn ganolog i'r ddadl heddiw. Rydym wedi clywed gan y Gweinidog, ac rwy'n credu ei bod wedi bod yn eithaf annheg rhoi'r Gweinidog yn y sefyllfa hon; nid oedd yn y Senedd cyn mis Mai. A ydych chi'n cytuno â mi, Sam, y byddai wedi bod yn well pe baem wedi clywed heddiw gan y Gweinidog iechyd, y Trefnydd a'r Prif Weinidog, iddynt hwy egluro pam y gwnaethant yr addewidion a wnaethant a pheidio â'u cyflawni?</p>
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<p>I think you're absolutely right to point that out. In a certain way, I feel sorry for the Cabinet Minister here today, having to face up to what his colleagues have promised in the past. And, of course, he himself stood on that manifesto and this whole Cabinet stood on that manifesto, promising those bereaved families that this inquiry would take place.</p>
<p>To close, Llywydd, true integrity requires us to face the light, accept thorough and unflinching scrutiny and honour the truth no matter how difficult or uncomfortable the path may be toward it. I urge all Members to support our motion. Diolch.</p>
<p>Rwy'n credu eich bod yn llygad eich yn nodi hynny. Mewn rhyw ffordd, rwy'n teimlo'n flin dros y Gweinidog Cabinet yma heddiw, yn gorfod wynebu'r hyn y mae ei gyd-Aelodau wedi'i addo yn y gorffennol. Ac wrth gwrs, fe safodd ef ei hun ar y maniffesto hwnnw a safodd y Cabinet cyfan ar y maniffesto hwnnw, gan addo i'r teuluoedd mewn profedigaeth y byddai'r ymchwiliad hwn yn digwydd.</p>
<p>I gloi, Lywydd, mae gwir uniondeb yn ei gwneud yn ofynnol inni wynebu'r goleuni, derbyn craffu trylwyr a diysgog ac anrhydeddu'r gwirionedd ni waeth pa mor anodd neu anghyfforddus yw'r llwybr tuag ato. Rwy'n annog pob Aelod i gefnogi ein cynnig. Diolch.</p>
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<p>Y cwestiwn yw: a ddylid derbyn y cynnig? A oes unrhyw Aelod yn gwrthwynebu? [<em>Gwrthwynebiad.</em>] Oes. Gohiriaf y bleidlais o dan yr eitem hon tan y cyfnod pleidleisio.</p>
<p>The proposal is to agree the motion. Does any Member object? [<em>Objection.</em>] There are objections. I will therefore defer voting under this item until voting time.</p>
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<p>Voting deferred until voting time.</p>
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<p>Symudwn at eitem 8. Tynnwyd yr eitem hon yn ôl.</p>
<p>We'll move now to item 8. This item has been withdrawn.</p>
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Irranca-Davies, Huw
<p>Symudwn nawr at eitem 9, y cyfnod pleidleisio. Oni bai bod pum Aelod yn dymuno i mi ganu'r gloch, symudaf yn syth i'r cyfnod pleidleisio.</p>
<p>We will now move to item 9, voting time. Unless five Members wish for the bell to be rung, I will move immediately to voting time. </p>
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Irranca-Davies, Huw
<p>Felly, symudwn at bleidleisio ar eitem 6. Galwaf am bleidlais ar y cynnig, a gyflwynwyd yn enw Kiera Marshall. Agorwch y bleidlais. Caewch y bleidlais. Dyma ganlyniad y bleidlais: o blaid 55, yn ymatal 19, yn erbyn 13. Mae'r cynnig wedi ei dderbyn.</p>
<p>So, we will move to a vote on item 6. I call for a vote on the motion, tabled in the name of Kiera Marshall. Open the vote. Close the vote. The result of the vote is as follows: in favour 55, 19 abstentions and 13 against. The motion is therefore agreed.</p>
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<p>Eitem 6. Dadl Ddeddfwriaethol Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv) – Fframwaith cynllunio ar gyfer datblygiadau chwarela. : O blaid: 55, Yn erbyn: 13, Ymatal: 19</p><p>Derbyniwyd y cynnig</p><div class="voteResultLinkContainer"><a href="cofnod.cynulliad.cymru/VoteOutcome/16423/?#V7503">Cliciwch i weld canlyniad y bleidlais</a></div>
<p>Item 6. Members Legislative Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv) - Planning framework for quarrying developments. : For: 55, Against: 13, Abstain: 19</p><p>Motion has been agreed</p><div class="voteResultLinkContainer"><a href="cofnod.cynulliad.cymru/VoteOutcome/16423/?#V7503">Click to see vote results</a></div>
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Irranca-Davies, Huw
<p>Symudwn nawr at bleidleisio ar eitem 7. Galwaf am bleidlais ar y cynnig, a gyflwynwyd yn enw Paul Davies. Os gwrthodir y cynnig, byddwn yn pleidleisio ar y gwelliannau a gyflwynwyd i'r cynnig. Agorwch y bleidlais. Caewch y bleidlais. Dyma ganlyniad y bleidlais: o blaid 38, yn ymatal wyth, yn erbyn 41. Mae'r cynnig wedi ei wrthod.</p>
<p>We will now move to a vote on item 7. I call for a vote on the motion, tabled in the name of Paul Davies. If the proposal in not agreed, we will vote on the amendments tabled to the motion. Open the vote. Close the vote. The result of the vote is as follows: in favour 38, eight abstentions, 41 against. The motion is therefore not agreed.</p>
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<p>Eitem 7. Dadl y Ceidwadwyr Cymreig - Ymchwiliad Covid-19 Cymru. Cynnig heb ei ddiwygio: O blaid: 38, Yn erbyn: 41, Ymatal: 8</p>
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<p>Item 7. Welsh Conservatives Debate - Wales Covid-19 Inquiry. Motion without amendment: For: 38, Against: 41, Abstain: 8</p>
<p>Motion has been rejected</p><div class="voteResultLinkContainer"><a href="cofnod.cynulliad.cymru/VoteOutcome/16423/?#V7504">Click to see vote results</a></div>
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Irranca-Davies, Huw
<p>Galwaf am bleidlais ar welliant 1 a gyflwynwyd yn enw Lynne Neagle. Agorwch y bleidlais. Caewch y bleidlais. Dyma ganlyniad y bleidlais: o blaid 39, neb yn ymatal, yn erbyn 48. Mae gwelliant 2 wedi ei wrthod.</p>
<p>I now call for a vote on amendment 1, tabled in the name of Lynne Neagle. Open the vote. Close the vote. The result of the vote is as follows: in favour 39, no abstentions, 48 against. Therefore, amendment 2 is not agreed.</p>
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Trystan Davies, Dafydd
<p>Gwelliant 1, Lywydd.</p>
<p>That was amendment 1, Llywydd.</p>
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Irranca-Davies, Huw
<p>Gwelliant 1. </p>
<p>Amendment 1.</p>
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Trystan Davies, Dafydd
<p>Ie.</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
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Irranca-Davies, Huw
<p>Mae'n ddrwg gen i. Diolch yn fawr iawn. Mae gwelliant 1 wedi ei wrthod.</p>
<p>I do apologise. Thank you. Amendment 1 is therefore not agreed.</p>
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<p>Eitem 7. Dadl y Ceidwadwyr Cymreig - Ymchwiliad Covid-19 Cymru. Gwelliant 1, a gyflwynwyd yn enw Lynne Neagle: O blaid: 39, Yn erbyn: 48, Ymatal: 0</p>
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<p>Item 7. Welsh Conservatives Debate - Wales Covid-19 Inquiry. Amendment 1, tabled in the name of Lynne Neagle: For: 39, Against: 48, Abstain: 0</p>
<p>Amendment has been rejected</p><div class="voteResultLinkContainer"><a href="cofnod.cynulliad.cymru/VoteOutcome/16423/?#V7505">Click to see vote results</a></div>
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<p>Galwaf am bleidlais ar welliant 2 a gyflwynwyd yn enw Heledd Fychan. Agorwch y bleidlais. Caewch y bleidlais. Dyma ganlyniad y bleidlais: o blaid 41, neb yn ymatal, yn erbyn 46. Mae gwelliant 2 wedi ei wrthod.</p>
<p>I now call for a vote on amendment 2, tabled in the name of Heledd Fychan. Open the vote. Close the vote. The result of the vote is as follows: in favour 41, no abstentions, 46 against. Therefore, amendment 2 is not agreed.</p>
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<p>Eitem 7. Dadl y Ceidwadwyr Cymreig - Ymchwiliad Covid-19 Cymru. Gwelliant 2, a gyflwynwyd yn enw Heledd Fychan: O blaid: 41, Yn erbyn: 46, Ymatal: 0</p>
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<p>Item 7. Welsh Conservatives Debate - Wales Covid-19 Inquiry. Amendment 2, tabled in the name of Heledd Fychan: For: 41, Against: 46, Abstain: 0</p>
<p>Amendment has been rejected</p><div class="voteResultLinkContainer"><a href="cofnod.cynulliad.cymru/VoteOutcome/16423/?#V7506">Click to see vote results</a></div>
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Irranca-Davies, Huw
<p>Gan nad yw'r Senedd wedi derbyn y cynnig heb ei ddiwygio nac wedi derbyn y gwelliannau a gyflwynwyd i'r cynnig, caiff y cynnig, felly, ei wrthod.</p>
<p>As the Senedd has not agreed the motion without amendment and has not agreed the amendments tabled to the motion, the motion is therefore not agreed.</p>
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Irranca-Davies, Huw
<p>We now move—.</p>
<p>Symudwn yn awr—.</p>
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Irranca-Davies, Huw
<p>Symudaf yn awr at ddadl fer heddiw, ond dydy'r Aelod ddim yma.</p>
<p>We will now move to the short debate, but the Member is not in attendance.</p>
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<p>The Member is not here to introduce the debate, so the debate cannot proceed. Simply to make a point: out of respect to the Siambr and also to Members, we would expect to be informed if the debate is not to proceed or has been withdrawn. </p>
<p>Nid yw'r Aelod yma i gyflwyno'r ddadl, felly ni all y ddadl fynd rhagddi. Hoffwn wneud pwynt: o ran parch i'r Siambr ac i'r Aelodau, byddem yn disgwyl cael gwybod os na fydd dadl yn mynd rhagddi neu os yw wedi'i thynnu'n ôl.</p>
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<p>Felly, daw hynny â thrafodion heddiw i ben.</p>
<p>Therefore, that brings today's proceedings to a close.</p>
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<p>Daeth y cyfarfod i ben am 17:18.</p>
<p>The meeting ended at 17:18.</p>
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