16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780274 0 Cy 2026-10-21T00:00:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=-48598&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=-48598&l=en 261021-0 C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 781941 1 Cy 261021-0 I Yn y fersiwn ddwyieithog, mae’r golofn chwith yn cynnwys yr iaith a lefarwyd yn y cyfarfod. Mae’r golofn dde yn cynnwys cyfieithiad o’r areithiau hynny. Mae [R] yn dynodi bod yr Aelod wedi datgan buddiant wrth gyflwyno’r busnes. In the bilingual version, the left-hand column includes the language used during the meeting. The right-hand column includes a translation of those speeches. [R] indicates that the Member has declared an interest when tabling the business. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780273 2 Cy 261021-0 I Cyfarfu'r Senedd yn y Siambr a thrwy gynhadledd fideo am 13:30 gyda'r Dirprwy Lywydd (Kerry Ferguson) yn y Gadair.  The Senedd met in the Chamber and by video-conference at 13:30 with the Deputy Presiding Officer (Kerry Ferguson) in the Chair. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780432 3 Cy 2026-10-21T13:30:01 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=3&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=3&l=en 261021-1 Datganiad gan y Dirprwy Lywydd Statement by the Deputy Presiding Officer C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Prynhawn da, Aelodau. Heddiw, rydym yn nodi 60 mlynedd ers trychineb Aberfan, pan gollodd 116 o blant a 28 o oedolion eu bywydau ar 21 Hydref 1966. Cyn i ni ddechrau busnes y prynhawn yma, gwahoddaf yr Aelodau i nodi munud o dawelwch i gofio am Aberfan. Good afternoon, Members. Today, we mark the sixtieth anniversary of the Aberfan disaster, in which 116 children and 28 adults lost their lives on 21 October 1966. Before we begin this afternoon's business, I invite Members to observe a minute's silence in remembrance of Aberfan.  16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780435 4 Cy 261021-1 Datganiad gan y Dirprwy Lywydd Statement by the Deputy Presiding Officer I Cynhaliwyd munud o dawelwch. A minute’s silence was held. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780437 5 Cy 2026-10-21T13:31:32 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=94&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=94&l=en 261021-1 Datganiad gan y Dirprwy Lywydd Statement by the Deputy Presiding Officer C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Diolch yn fawr iawn.  Thank you very much. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780436 6 Cy 2026-10-21T13:31:36 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=98&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=98&l=en 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Eitem 1 ar yr agenda heddiw, cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni. Cwestiwn 1, Lynne Neagle.   Item 1 on our agenda today is questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy, and the first question is from Lynne Neagle.  16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780439 7 Cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy B Twf Swyddi Cymru+ Jobs Growth Wales+ 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780440 8 Cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy O 174 174 Lynne Neagle AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=174 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=174 Neagle, Lynne 1. Pa drafodaethau y mae'r Gweinidog Cabinet wedi’u cael gyda’r Dirprwy Weinidog dros Sgiliau ac Addysg Drydyddol ynghylch Twf Swyddi Cymru+? OQ64753 1. What discussions has the Cabinet Minister had with the Deputy Minister for Skills and Tertiary Education about Jobs Growth Wales+? OQ64753 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780441 9 Cy 2026-10-21T13:31:55 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=117&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=117&l=en 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 5030 5030 Adam Price AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5030 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5030 Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy Y Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni Price, Adam Rydw i wedi trafod Twf Swyddi Cymru+ gyda'r Dirprwy Weinidog, gan gynnwys y pwysau y mae darparwyr yn ei reoli wrth iddyn nhw ymateb i'r galw parhaus am gymorth. I have discussed Jobs Growth Wales+ with the Deputy Minister, including the pressures that some providers are managing as they respond to continued demand for support. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780445 10 En 2026-10-21T13:32:10 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=132&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=132&l=cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 174 174 Lynne Neagle AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=174 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=174 Neagle, Lynne Thank you, Cabinet Minister. As you are aware, we are facing a 'not in education, employment or training' crisis in Wales, with everything that that means for young people's life chances, their employment and, of particular concern to me, their mental health and well-being. However, we're not now just facing the prospect of cuts in further education funding, but, as I've highlighted to you in correspondence, providers of services to young people through Jobs Growth Wales+, which is effectively a post-16 provision, are also seeing significant cuts. I'm grateful to you for your correspondence, but I have written back to you explaining that ACT, which has been praised across this Chamber for their transformative work with young people, has currently gone from a confirmed contract value of £18.8 million last year to £13.9 million in 2026-27.  Diolch, Weinidog Cabinet. Fel y gwyddoch, rydym yn wynebu argyfwng o ran pobl nad ydynt mewn addysg, cyflogaeth na hyfforddiant yng Nghymru, gyda phopeth y mae hynny'n ei olygu i gyfleoedd bywyd pobl ifanc, eu cyflogaeth, a rhywbeth sy'n destun pryder arbennig i mi, sef eu hiechyd meddwl a'u lles. Fodd bynnag, nid yn unig ein bod yn wynebu'r posibilrwydd nawr o doriadau i gyllid addysg bellach, ond fel y nodais mewn gohebiaeth, mae darparwyr gwasanaethau i bobl ifanc drwy Twf Swyddi Cymru+, sydd i bob pwrpas yn ddarpariaeth ôl-16, hefyd yn wynebu toriadau sylweddol. Rwy'n ddiolchgar i chi am eich gohebiaeth, ond rwyf wedi ysgrifennu'n ôl atoch yn egluro bod gwerth contract ACT, sydd wedi cael eu canmol ar draws y Siambr hon am eu gwaith trawsnewidiol gyda phobl ifanc, wedi mynd o £18.8 miliwn wedi'i gadarnhau y llynedd i £13.9 miliwn yn 2026-27. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780451 11 En 2026-10-21T13:33:16 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=198&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=198&l=cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Can we have the question, please, Lynne?   A gawn ni'r cwestiwn, os gwelwch yn dda, Lynne? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780452 12 En 2026-10-21T13:33:18 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=200&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=200&l=cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 174 174 Lynne Neagle AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=174 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=174 Neagle, Lynne That is a 26 per cent cut. On the basis of these figures, can we accept that the Plaid Cymru Government is committed to tackling the NEET crisis, and, if that is the case, what are you going to do to reverse these cuts and ensure that all learners have an opportunity to have their education? Mae hynny'n doriad o 26 y cant. Ar sail y ffigurau hyn, a allwn dderbyn bod Llywodraeth Plaid Cymru wedi ymrwymo i fynd i'r afael â'r argyfwng o ran pobl nad ydynt mewn addysg, cyflogaeth na hyfforddiant, ac os felly, beth rydych chi'n mynd i'w wneud i wrthdroi'r toriadau hyn a sicrhau bod cyfle gan bob dysgwr i gael eu haddysg? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780453 13 En 2026-10-21T13:33:38 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=220&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=220&l=cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 5030 5030 Adam Price AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5030 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5030 Price, Adam I am grateful to the Member for her question, and, as I said just now, I have, obviously, had discussions already with Cabinet colleagues to see what more can be done within the resources that we have. I think it is certainly the case that we are seeing not just in Wales, but across the UK, a huge issue in terms of the labour market. It has, obviously, led to the Milburn review, and I agree, actually, with Alan Milburn that working on the supply side, working on employability support programmes, is not going to be enough to deal with the scale of the problem, because the problem is really on the demand side largely. That's where we also need to focus, and I think that, really, the scale of the problem means that we do need a scale of intervention on a similar level to the one that we saw back in 1997—the New Deal for the unemployed. So, we are looking forward to the final report of the Milburn review. We hope that the UK Government will inject the level of investment that is needed not just in Wales, but across the UK, to address the problem that young people and others are facing because of the nature of the labour market need at the moment.  Rwy'n ddiolchgar i'r Aelod am ei chwestiwn, ac fel y dywedais nawr, yn amlwg, cefais drafodaethau eisoes gyda chyd-Aelodau o'r Cabinet i weld beth arall y gellir ei wneud o fewn yr adnoddau sydd gennym. Credaf ei bod yn sicr yn wir ein bod yn gweld problem enfawr o ran y farchnad lafur, nid yn unig yng Nghymru, ond ledled y DU. Mae wedi arwain at adolygiad Milburn, ac rwy'n cytuno ag Alan Milburn na fydd gweithio ar ochr y cyflenwad, gweithio ar raglenni cymorth cyflogadwyedd, yn ddigon i fynd i'r afael â maint y broblem, gan fod y broblem mewn gwirionedd ar ochr y galw i raddau helaeth. Dyna ble mae angen inni ganolbwyntio hefyd, ac mae maint y broblem yn golygu bod angen ymyrraeth arnom ar lefel debyg i'r hyn a welsom yn ôl ym 1997—y Fargen Newydd ar gyfer y di-waith. Felly, rydym yn edrych ymlaen at adroddiad terfynol adolygiad Milburn. Gobeithiwn y bydd Llywodraeth y DU yn buddsoddi’r lefel sydd ei hangen nid yn unig yng Nghymru ond ledled y DU, i fynd i’r afael â’r broblem y mae pobl ifanc ac eraill yn ei hwynebu oherwydd natur anghenion y farchnad lafur ar hyn o bryd. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780433 14 En 2026-10-21T13:35:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=302&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=302&l=cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780434 15 En 2026-10-21T13:35:10 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=312&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=312&l=cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 12152 12152 Carmelo Colasanto AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12152 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12152 Colasanto, Carmelo Cabinet Minister, I welcome your commitment to extend Jobs Growth Wales+ to consider the incentives for employers, because young people leaving the programme need apprenticeships and jobs to move into. I recently met with Williams Electrical (Cymru) Ltd, a Carmarthenshire firm that wants to take on more apprentices but says it can no longer afford to. Under the reformed qualifications, a first-year electrical apprentice without the relevant foundation qualification must undertake broader construction training and skills. The concern for the firm is that the additional college day in the first year leaves just three weeks on site whilst they're having to pay a full week's wages for that apprentice. Carmarthenshire's over-65 population has grown by almost a fifth, while apprenticeship starts across Wales are at their lowest since records began. Yet electrical contractors are generally excluded from the Construction Industry Training Board apprenticeship grants available to other construction employers. So, will you discuss with the Deputy Minister for Skills and Tertiary Education how those incentives could include targeted support for smaller electrical firms to cover that additional college day so that businesses like Williams can train the electricians that Wales desperately needs? Diolch. Weinidog Cabinet, rwy'n croesawu eich ymrwymiad i ymestyn Twf Swyddi Cymru+ i ystyried y cymelliadau i gyflogwyr, gan fod angen prentisiaethau a swyddi ar bobl ifanc sy'n gadael y rhaglen i gamu ymlaen iddynt. Yn ddiweddar, cyfarfûm â Williams Electrical (Cymru) Ltd, cwmni o sir Gaerfyrddin sydd eisiau cyflogi mwy o brentisiaid ond sy'n dweud na allant fforddio gwneud hynny mwyach. O dan y cymwysterau diwygiedig, rhaid i brentis trydanol blwyddyn gyntaf heb y cymhwyster sylfaen perthnasol ymgymryd â hyfforddiant a sgiliau adeiladu ehangach. Y pryder i'r cwmni yw bod y diwrnod coleg ychwanegol yn y flwyddyn gyntaf yn gadael tair wythnos yn unig ar y safle a'u bod yn gorfod talu cyflog wythnos lawn am y prentis hwnnw. Mae poblogaeth dros 65 oed sir Gaerfyrddin wedi tyfu bron i bumed, tra bo nifer y prentisiaethau a ddechreuwyd ledled Cymru ar eu lefel isaf ers dechrau cadw cofnodion. Ac eto, mae contractwyr trydanol yn gyffredinol wedi'u heithrio o grantiau prentisiaeth Bwrdd Hyfforddi'r Diwydiant Adeiladu sydd ar gael i gyflogwyr adeiladu eraill. Felly, a wnewch chi drafod gyda'r Dirprwy Weinidog dros Sgiliau ac Addysg Drydyddol sut y gallai'r cymelliadau hynny gynnwys cymorth wedi'i dargedu ar gyfer cwmnïau trydanol llai i dalu am y diwrnod coleg ychwanegol hwnnw fel y gall busnesau fel Williams hyfforddi'r trydanwyr y mae eu hangen yn daer ar Gymru? Diolch. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780448 16 En 2026-10-21T13:36:22 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=384&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=384&l=cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 5030 5030 Adam Price AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5030 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5030 Price, Adam The Deputy Minister has been very clear in his view that apprenticeships are absolutely central to enabling young people to achieve their potential and also for us to drive the kind of economic development that we want to see across every sector and across every community. We'll certainly very much welcome those ideas and take them up in discussion with the Deputy Minister in the context of the work that is already ongoing through the skills audit and following the skills summit a few weeks ago. Mae'r Dirprwy Weinidog wedi dweud yn glir iawn ei fod o'r farn fod prentisiaethau'n hollbwysig i alluogi pobl ifanc i gyflawni eu potensial a hefyd i ni i hybu'r math o ddatblygu economaidd rydym am ei weld ar draws pob sector ac ar draws pob cymuned. Byddwn yn sicr yn croesawu'r syniadau hynny'n fawr ac yn eu trafod gyda'r Dirprwy Weinidog yng nghyd-destun y gwaith sydd eisoes yn mynd rhagddo drwy'r archwiliad sgiliau ac yn dilyn yr uwchgynhadledd sgiliau ychydig wythnosau yn ôl. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780450 17 En 2026-10-21T13:37:03 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=425&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=425&l=cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 8734 8734 Sam Rowlands AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8734 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8734 Rowlands, Sam Cabinet Minister, I heard your response to Lynne Neagle a moment ago, rightfully outlining the challenge around NEETs, but you need to acknowledge that there's a particular problem here in Wales. In England, the numbers have actually dropped in the last 12 months to 13.3 per cent, whereas, in Wales, numbers have shot up to 17 per cent of 16 to 25-year-olds not in work, training or education. It's vitally important that we get those young people into those positions as quickly as possible. As you know, Jobs Growth Wales+ makes a big difference in that, and you do have already the policy levers to be able to make a difference in this area, and it's about prioritising whether or not you think it's an important matter for you to tackle. I think in particular, in my own constituency of Fflint Wrecsam, that Coleg Cambria run a fantastic summer school with Jobs Growth Wales+, where 100 young people took part in that summer school—a record number so far. So, Cabinet Minister, will you commit today, for the sake of the 16 to 25-year-olds, to ensuring that this is a priority and that you do use the policy levers you already have to ensure that young people have a fighting chance? Weinidog Cabinet, clywais eich ymateb i Lynne Neagle eiliad yn ôl, yn amlinellu'r her yn gywir ddigon o ran pobl nad ydynt mewn addysg, cyflogaeth na hyfforddiant, ond mae angen ichi gydnabod bod problem arbennig yma yng Nghymru. Yn Lloegr, mae'r niferoedd wedi gostwng yn y 12 mis diwethaf i 13.3 y cant, tra bo'r niferoedd yng Nghymru wedi saethu i fyny i 17 y cant o bobl 16 i 25 oed nad ydynt mewn addysg, cyflogaeth na hyfforddiant. Mae'n hanfodol bwysig ein bod yn sicrhau bod y bobl ifanc hyn yn cael y swyddi hynny cyn gynted â phosibl. Fel y gwyddoch, mae Twf Swyddi Cymru+ yn gwneud gwahaniaeth mawr yn hynny o beth, ac mae gennych eisoes y liferi polisi i allu gwneud gwahaniaeth yn y maes hwn, ac mae a wnelo â blaenoriaethu p'un a ydych chi'n credu ei fod yn fater pwysig i chi fynd i'r afael ag ef ai peidio. Yn fy etholaeth i yn Fflint Wrecsam, rwy'n meddwl yn arbennig am Coleg Cambria sy'n cynnal ysgol haf wych gyda Twf Swyddi Cymru+, a chymerodd 100 o bobl ifanc ran yn yr ysgol haf honno—y nifer uchaf erioed hyd yma. Felly, Weinidog Cabinet, a wnewch chi ymrwymo heddiw, er mwyn pobl 16 i 25 oed, i sicrhau bod hyn yn flaenoriaeth a'ch bod yn defnyddio'r liferi polisi sydd gennych eisoes i sicrhau bod rhywfaint o obaith i bobl ifanc? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780454 18 En 2026-10-21T13:38:13 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=495&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=495&l=cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 5030 5030 Adam Price AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5030 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5030 Price, Adam Where I agree with the Member is that the existing interventions in Wales were not working, and the actual outcomes were worse. As a result of that, we have commissioned, as a Government, work by Professor Melanie Jones, one of the leading figures in labour market economics, to understand, 'Well, let's look across the world at what does work in order to inform our own use of the policy levers that we do have.' But I should say that the consensus view, which is emerging through the work of the Milburn review and economists that are looking at this, is that the supply-side approach, which is basically saying, 'There's an unemployed person here and if we can make them employable, then they can get into the labour market', the increasing consensus view is that that's incorrect, largely. The problem is on the demand side. The jobs are not being generated to a sufficient degree to actually create those job opportunities, and there are particular structural problems in terms of entry-level jobs. That's why I think sector-led approaches, the likes of which we've begun to see, haven't we, in recent weeks and months—the retail sector, the construction sector, coming forward and making commitments to create those entry-level jobs—those kind of approaches are likely to have a better effect. The opportunity for us in Wales is to work with sectors—and we've just heard some specific examples in an earlier question as well—to provide those entry-level jobs, and, yes, make sure that our training skills system is working with employers for real job opportunities that are going to be created. Yr hyn rwy'n cytuno â'r Aelod yn ei gylch yw nad oedd yr ymyriadau presennol yng Nghymru yn gweithio, ac roedd y canlyniadau eu hunain yn waeth. O ganlyniad i hynny, fel Llywodraeth, rydym wedi comisiynu gwaith gan yr Athro Melanie Jones, un o'r ffigurau blaenllaw ym maes economeg y farchnad lafur, i ddeall, 'Wel, gadewch inni edrych ar draws y byd ar yr hyn sy'n gweithio er mwyn llywio ein defnydd ein hunain o'r liferi polisi sydd gennym.' Ond dylwn ddweud mai'r consensws, sy'n dod i'r amlwg drwy waith adolygiad Milburn ac economegwyr sy'n edrych ar hyn, yw bod dull gweithredu ochr y cyflenwad, sydd yn y bôn yn dweud, 'Mae unigolyn di-waith yma ac os gallwn eu gwneud yn gyflogadwy, gallant fynd i mewn i'r farchnad lafur', y consensws cynyddol yw bod hynny'n anghywir at ei gilydd. Mae'r broblem ar ochr y galw. Nid yw'r swyddi'n cael eu creu i raddau digonol i greu'r cyfleoedd swyddi hynny, ac mae problemau strwythurol penodol o ran swyddi lefel mynediad. Dyna pam y credaf fod dulliau a arweinir gan sectorau, fel y rhai rydym wedi dechrau eu gweld, onid ydym, yn yr wythnosau a'r misoedd diwethaf—y sector manwerthu, y sector adeiladu, yn camu i'r bwlch ac yn gwneud ymrwymiadau i greu'r swyddi lefel mynediad hynny—mae'r mathau hynny o ddulliau gweithredu'n debygol o gael gwell effaith. Y cyfle i ni yng Nghymru yw gweithio gyda sectorau—ac rydym newydd glywed rhai enghreifftiau penodol mewn cwestiwn cynharach hefyd—i ddarparu'r swyddi lefel mynediad hynny, ac ie, sicrhau bod ein system hyfforddiant sgiliau yn gweithio gyda chyflogwyr ar gyfleoedd swyddi go iawn a fydd yn cael eu creu. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780438 19 En 2026-10-21T13:40:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=602&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=602&l=cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780442 20 Cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy B Datblygu Sgiliau Skills Development 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780443 21 Cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy O 12143 12143 Niamh Salkeld AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12143 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12143 Salkeld, Niamh 2. Pa drafodaethau y mae'r Gweinidog Cabinet wedi'u cael gyda'r Dirprwy Weinidog dros Sgiliau ac Addysg Drydyddol ar gefnogi pobl ifanc i ddatblygu'r sgiliau sydd eu hangen mewn marchnad lafur sy'n newid yn gyflym ym Mlaenau Gwent Caerffili Rhymni? OQ64780 2. What discussions has the Cabinet Minister had with the Deputy Minister for Skills and Tertiary Education on supporting young people to develop the skills needed in a rapidly changing labour market in Blaenau Gwent Caerffili Rhymni? OQ64780 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780444 22 Cy 2026-10-21T13:40:26 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=628&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=628&l=en 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 5030 5030 Adam Price AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5030 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5030 Price, Adam Mae'r Dirprwy Weinidog a minnau'n trafod yn rheolaidd sut y gall sgiliau, cymorth cyflogadwyedd a phrentisiaethau arfogi pobl ifanc ledled Cymru i lwyddo mewn economi sy'n newid yn gyflym. Roedd y materion hyn yn nodwedd o'n huwchgynhadledd sgiliau'r dyfodol hynod lwyddiannus yn gynharach y mis hwn ac maen nhw’n ganolog i'm cenhadaeth cynhyrchiant. The Deputy Minister and I regularly discuss how skills, employability support and apprenticeships can equip young people across Wales to succeed in a rapidly changing economy. These issues were a feature of our highly successful future skills summit earlier this month and are central to my productivity mission. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780446 23 En 2026-10-21T13:40:50 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=652&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=652&l=cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 12143 12143 Niamh Salkeld AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12143 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12143 Salkeld, Niamh Diolch, Cabinet Minister. In Blaenau Gwent, nearly three in 10 residents aged 16 and over have no formal qualifications, which is the highest proportion in the whole of Wales, while neighbouring Caerphilly has the fourth highest. I've seen first-hand the vital role that organisations such as ACT has in Ebbw Vale. They play such an important role in supporting young people facing really complex needs and barriers to education, training and employment. For many of these young people, progress can mean overcoming mental health challenges, gaining qualifications after leaving school without any, finding secure housing or even turning away from crime as well. They need to have a system that can respond to the full range of barriers they face as an individual and gives them the best opportunity as well to fulfil their potential. So, Cabinet Minister, how will the Welsh Government ensure we have a fit-for-purpose system, with the flexibility and stability needed to support young people to fulfil their potential, particularly those facing extreme barriers? Diolch, Weinidog Cabinet. Ym Mlaenau Gwent, nid oes gan bron i dri o bob 10 o drigolion 16 oed a hŷn unrhyw gymwysterau ffurfiol, sef y gyfran uchaf yng Nghymru gyfan, tra bo ganddynt y bedwaredd gyfradd uchaf drws nesaf yng Nghaerffili. Rwyf wedi gweld â'm llygaid fy hun y rôl hanfodol y mae sefydliadau fel ACT yng Nglynebwy yn ei chwarae. Maent yn chwarae rhan mor bwysig yn cefnogi pobl ifanc sy'n wynebu anghenion cymhleth iawn a rhwystrau i addysg, hyfforddiant a chyflogaeth. I lawer o'r bobl ifanc hyn, gall cynnydd olygu goresgyn heriau iechyd meddwl, ennill cymwysterau ar ôl gadael ysgol heb unrhyw gymwysterau, dod o hyd i dai diogel neu hyd yn oed droi cefn ar droseddu hefyd. Mae angen iddynt gael system a all ymateb i'r ystod lawn o rwystrau y maent yn eu hwynebu fel unigolyn a rhoi'r cyfle gorau iddynt gyflawni eu potensial. Felly, Weinidog Cabinet, sut y bydd Llywodraeth Cymru yn sicrhau bod gennym system sy'n addas i’r diben, ac sydd â'r hyblygrwydd a'r sefydlogrwydd sydd eu hangen i gefnogi pobl ifanc i gyflawni eu potensial, yn enwedig y rhai sy'n wynebu rhwystrau eithafol? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780449 24 En 2026-10-21T13:41:58 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=720&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=720&l=cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 5030 5030 Adam Price AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5030 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5030 Price, Adam I am grateful to the Member for her question. I think that, certainly, we acknowledge the importance of programmes like Jobs Growth Wales. We've committed to continuing that next year, even, as I said, as we begin the work of understanding what more we can do and what we can do differently, because, even though these programmes have made a contribution, they have not solved the problem; the problem has got worse. And so, we need to find out what is missing, what additional can we do. As I was saying, I think the growing view among those who work in and analyse this field is that we need to work more on the demand side to generate the jobs, and also we need to have a place-based approach. So, I think you're absolutely right to focus on the specific needs, which will be different in Blaenau Gwent to other places. The opportunities will be different. The employers that we can work with to create particular sectoral opportunities will be different. So, it's that combination not just of the existing approaches, but blending them with new interventions that are demand led and placed based. That's the way, in a holistic fashion, I think that we can provide a durable and comprehensive solution that will deliver hope to young people and to communities across Wales. Rwy'n ddiolchgar i'r Aelod am ei chwestiwn. Yn sicr, rwy'n credu ein bod yn cydnabod pwysigrwydd rhaglenni fel Twf Swyddi Cymru. Rydym wedi ymrwymo i barhau â'r rhaglen honno y flwyddyn nesaf, hyd yn oed wrth inni ddechrau'r gwaith, fel y dywedais, o ddeall beth arall y gallwn ei wneud, a beth y gallwn ei wneud yn wahanol, oherwydd er bod y rhaglenni hyn wedi gwneud cyfraniad, nid ydynt wedi datrys y broblem; mae'r broblem wedi gwaethygu. Ac felly, mae angen inni ddarganfod beth sydd ar goll, beth arall y gallwn ei wneud. Fel roeddwn i'n ei ddweud, credaf mai'r farn gynyddol ymhlith y rhai sy'n gweithio yn y maes hwn ac yn ei ddadansoddi yw bod angen inni weithio mwy ar ochr y galw i greu'r swyddi, ac mae angen inni gael dull sy'n seiliedig ar leoedd hefyd. Felly, rwy'n credu eich bod yn llygad eich lle i ganolbwyntio ar yr anghenion penodol, a fydd yn wahanol ym Mlaenau Gwent i fannau eraill. Bydd y cyfleoedd yn wahanol. Bydd y cyflogwyr y gallwn weithio gyda nhw i greu cyfleoedd sectoraidd penodol yn wahanol. Felly, mae a wnelo â chyfuniad nid yn unig o'r dulliau presennol, ond eu cymysgu ag ymyriadau newydd sy'n cael eu harwain gan alw ac sy'n seiliedig ar leoedd. Credaf mai dyna sut y gallwn ddarparu, mewn modd cyfannol, ateb gwydn a chynhwysfawr a fydd yn rhoi gobaith i bobl ifanc ac i gymunedau ledled Cymru. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780456 25 En 2026-10-21T13:43:37 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=819&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=819&l=cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 12144 12144 Joshua Kim AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12144 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12144 Kim, Joshua Minister, traditionally, entry-level roles have allowed young people to gain the experience needed to progress into more skilled employment. But artificial intelligence now threatens to automate some of those opportunities. What assessment, therefore, has the Welsh Government made of the impact of AI on entry-level employment opportunities for young people in Blaenau Gwent Caerffili Rhymni, and what discussions has the Cabinet Minister had with the Deputy Minister for skills about ensuring that training provision in our constituency prepares young people for the jobs likely to be available in five to 10 years' time? Weinidog, yn draddodiadol, mae rolau lefel mynediad wedi caniatáu i bobl ifanc ennill y profiad sydd ei angen arnynt i gamu ymlaen i gyflogaeth fwy medrus. Ond mae deallusrwydd artiffisial bellach yn bygwth awtomeiddio rhai o'r cyfleoedd hynny. Felly, pa asesiad y mae Llywodraeth Cymru wedi'i wneud o effaith deallusrwydd artiffisial ar gyfleoedd cyflogaeth lefel mynediad i bobl ifanc ym Mlaenau Gwent Caerffili Rhymni, a pha drafodaethau y mae'r Gweinidog Cabinet wedi'u cael gyda'r Dirprwy Weinidog dros sgiliau ynghylch sicrhau bod darpariaeth hyfforddiant yn ein hetholaeth yn paratoi pobl ifanc ar gyfer y swyddi sy'n debygol o fod ar gael ymhen pump i ddeng mlynedd? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780459 26 En 2026-10-21T13:44:11 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=853&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=853&l=cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 5030 5030 Adam Price AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5030 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5030 Price, Adam I'm really grateful to the Member for an absolutely vitally important question, which I think is at the forefront of all of our minds at the moment, isn't it? I think it's certainly true that AI is one of the factors that is driving this unique level of disruption that is going on in the labour market. I think that it is a complex picture, and it's fair to say that the evidence is still emerging. We were discussing this at the jobs summit, and we need to have a better understanding and better data. So, there is a live data set that actually looks at what is happening in the American labour market. Month by month, we can see what's happening, and we can see that, particularly, it's young people that are being disrupted most in terms of higher levels of unemployment. We can even be more specific: it's 22 to 25-year-olds who are facing a 20 per cent higher level of unemployment than was previously the case. Now, we need to get that kind of data here and we need to understand how this is playing out across different sectors and across different geographies. That work is ongoing, and I hope to be able to update Senedd Members more in this regard because I think it's one of the central challenges that we're facing at the moment. Rwy'n ddiolchgar iawn i'r Aelod am gwestiwn hollbwysig, sydd, yn fy marn i, ar ein meddyliau ni oll ar hyn o bryd, onid yw? Rwy'n credu ei bod yn sicr yn wir fod deallusrwydd artiffisial yn un o'r ffactorau sy'n achosi'r lefel unigryw hon o darfu ar y farchnad lafur. Rwy'n credu ei fod yn ddarlun cymhleth, ac mae'n deg dweud bod y dystiolaeth yn dal i ddod i'r amlwg. Buom yn trafod hyn yn yr uwchgynhadledd swyddi, ac mae angen inni gael gwell dealltwriaeth a data gwell. Felly, mae yna set ddata fyw sy'n edrych ar yr hyn sy'n digwydd ym marchnad lafur America. Fis ar ôl mis, gallwn weld beth sy'n digwydd, a gallwn weld mai pobl ifanc yn fwyaf arbennig sy'n cael eu heffeithio fwyaf o ran lefelau uwch o ddiweithdra. Gallwn fod hyd yn oed yn fwy penodol: mae pobl 22 i 25 oed yn wynebu lefel 20 y cant yn uwch o ddiweithdra nag o'r blaen. Nawr, mae angen inni gael y math hwnnw o ddata yma ac mae angen inni ddeall sut y mae hyn yn datblygu ar draws gwahanol sectorau ac ar draws daearyddiaeth wahanol. Mae'r gwaith hwnnw'n parhau, ac rwy'n gobeithio gallu rhoi mwy o wybodaeth i Aelodau'r Senedd yn hyn o beth gan y credaf ei bod yn un o'r heriau mwyaf a wynebwn ar hyn o bryd. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780447 27 En 2026-10-21T13:45:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=902&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=902&l=cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780457 28 Cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy B Cwestiynau Heb Rybudd gan Lefarwyr y Pleidiau Questions Without Notice from Party Spokespeople 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780458 29 Cy 2026-10-21T13:45:50 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=952&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=952&l=en 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Galwaf ar lefarwyr y pleidiau i holi'r Gweinidog Cabinet. Llefarydd Reform UK, Jason O'Connell. I now call the party spokespeople to question the Cabinet Minister. Reform UK spokesperson, Jason O'Connell. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780460 30 En 2026-10-21T13:45:58 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=960&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=960&l=cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 12158 12158 Jason O'Connell AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12158 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12158 O'Connell, Jason Thank you, Deputy Presiding Officer. Minister, as discussed recently in this Chamber, 500 jobs in Admiral are at risk of redundancy. These are real Welsh people, real Welsh families and actual livelihoods that are now facing uncertainty. Many of those jobs are based across our constituencies in Swansea, Cardiff and Newport. And now we learn that, while Welsh workers face the prospect of losing their jobs, some roles—the majority of those 500 jobs—are going to be outsourced to India. Now, this is a massive slap in the face to all those men and women that have worked hard, paid their taxes, only for their jobs to be sent abroad, and is a firm rebuke to this Government's economic credentials. This should be a massive wake-up call for this Welsh Government. So, Minister, what direct action are you taking to stop skilled Welsh jobs being shipped overseas, to protect workers here in Wales, and to ensure that companies benefiting from operating in this country have a genuine incentive to keep those jobs here? Diolch. Diolch, Ddirprwy Lywydd. Weinidog, fel y trafodwyd yn ddiweddar yn y Siambr hon, mae 500 o swyddi yn Admiral mewn perygl o gael eu dileu. Mae'r rhain yn Gymry go iawn, yn deuluoedd go iawn ac yn fywoliaeth go iawn i bobl sydd bellach yn wynebu ansicrwydd. Mae llawer o'r swyddi hyn wedi'u lleoli ar draws ein hetholaethau yn Abertawe, Caerdydd a Chasnewydd. A nawr, er bod gweithwyr yng Nghymru yn wynebu'r posibilrwydd o golli eu swyddi, clywn y bydd rhai rolau—y rhan fwyaf o'r 500 o swyddi hynny—yn cael eu hallanoli i India. Nawr, mae hon yn ergyd enfawr i'r holl ddynion a menywod sydd wedi gweithio'n galed, wedi talu eu trethi, dim ond i'w swyddi gael eu hanfon dramor, ac mae'n ergyd fawr i hygrededd economaidd y Llywodraeth hon. Dylai hyn fod yn rhybudd enfawr i'r Llywodraeth hon yng Nghymru. Felly, Weinidog, pa gamau uniongyrchol rydych chi'n eu cymryd i atal swyddi medrus o Gymru rhag cael eu hanfon dramor, i ddiogelu gweithwyr yma yng Nghymru, ac i sicrhau bod gan gwmnïau sy'n elwa o weithredu yn y wlad hon gymhelliant gwirioneddol i gadw'r swyddi hynny yma? Diolch. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780462 31 En 2026-10-21T13:46:59 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=1021&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=1021&l=cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 5030 5030 Adam Price AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5030 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5030 Price, Adam Clearly, this was very disappointing news to hear and, obviously, very worrying for the workers and their families involved. I've met with Admiral, and, indeed, with Legal & General as well, to see what we could do—first of all to understand what we could do in the context of those that are at risk of losing their jobs, and we obviously stand ready to do what we can in that regard, but also to understand more about the reasons for these decisions and what we could do, working with these companies and with their sectors, to create additional jobs as well. Now, Admiral have, in that conversation, confirmed to us that they are going to retain their Cardiff and Swansea offices. In my conversation with Legal & General—and, indeed, with Admiral as well—we did talk about what are the growth opportunities, where we as a Government can work with the companies and with the sectors in order to identify growth possibilities, because we retain important strengths in these sectors, and it's important not to lose sight of that, despite this obviously disappointing news. Yn amlwg, roedd hyn yn newyddion siomedig iawn, ac yn peri cryn bryder i'r gweithwyr a'u teuluoedd wrth gwrs. Rwyf wedi cyfarfod ag Admiral, a gyda Legal & General hefyd yn wir, i weld beth y gallem ei wneud—yn gyntaf oll i ddeall beth y gallem ei wneud yng nghyd-destun y rhai sydd mewn perygl o golli eu swyddi, ac rydym yn amlwg yn barod i wneud yr hyn a allwn yn hynny o beth, ond hefyd i ddeall mwy am y rhesymau dros y penderfyniadau hyn a'r hyn y gallem ei wneud, gan weithio gyda'r cwmnïau hyn a'u sectorau, i greu swyddi ychwanegol hefyd. Nawr, mae Admiral, yn y sgwrs honno, wedi cadarnhau i ni eu bod yn mynd i gadw eu swyddfeydd yng Nghaerdydd ac Abertawe. Yn fy sgwrs gyda Legal & General—a gydag Admiral hefyd yn wir—buom yn siarad ynglŷn â beth yw'r cyfleoedd twf, lle gallwn ni fel Llywodraeth weithio gyda'r cwmnïau a chyda'r sectorau er mwyn nodi posibiliadau twf, gan fod gennym gryfderau pwysig yn y sectorau hyn o hyd, ac mae'n bwysig peidio â cholli golwg ar hynny, er gwaethaf y newyddion hwn sy'n amlwg yn siomedig. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780467 32 En 2026-10-21T13:48:31 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=1113&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=1113&l=cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 12158 12158 Jason O'Connell AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12158 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12158 O'Connell, Jason Thank you. I thought I was going to get called—excuse me. Minister, thank you for that, but, as we move on, unlike Plaid's new energy quango, North sea drilling could unlock billions for the UK economy, support thousands of jobs and strengthen our energy security. As Reform UK's Richard Tice has been calling for for years, the Jackdaw project has now been given the green light, and, as we know on this side of the Chamber, that's nowhere near enough. Now, Reform believes the United Kingdom should extract every last drop of oil out of the North sea—and gas—to support our economy, protect jobs and reduce our reliance on imports. Instead, Plaid wants to waste taxpayers' money on another quango and renewable energy schemes that offer absolutely no guarantee of cheaper bills to the men and women of our country. Minister, let's get real for a moment and focus on the action that will actually make a difference to people's pockets here in Wales. What steps are you taking to press Westminster to issue new exploration licences, unlock our North sea resources, boost our economy and bring down household bills for people across Wales? Diolch. Roeddwn yn credu fy mod yn mynd i gael fy ngalw—esgusodwch fi. Weinidog, diolch, ond wrth inni symud ymlaen, yn wahanol i gwango ynni newydd Plaid Cymru, gallai drilio ym môr y Gogledd ddatgloi biliynau i economi'r DU, cefnogi miloedd o swyddi a chryfhau ein diogeledd ynni. Fel y mae Richard Tice o Reform UK wedi bod yn galw amdano ers blynyddoedd, mae prosiect Jackdaw bellach wedi cael y golau gwyrdd, ac fel y gwyddom ar yr ochr hon i'r Siambr, nid yw hynny'n agos at ddigon. Nawr, mae Reform yn credu y dylai'r Deyrnas Unedig echdynnu pob diferyn o olew allan o fôr y Gogledd—a nwy—i gefnogi ein heconomi, diogelu swyddi a lleihau ein dibyniaeth ar fewnforion. Yn hytrach, mae Plaid Cymru eisiau gwastraffu arian trethdalwyr ar gwango arall a chynlluniau ynni adnewyddadwy nad ydynt yn cynnig unrhyw sicrwydd o gwbl o filiau rhatach i ddynion a menywod ein gwlad. Weinidog, gadewch inni fod yn realistig am eiliad a chanolbwyntio ar y camau a fydd o ddifrif yn gwneud gwahaniaeth i bocedi pobl yma yng Nghymru. Pa gamau rydych chi'n eu cymryd i bwyso ar San Steffan i gyhoeddi trwyddedau fforio newydd, datgloi ein hadnoddau ym môr y Gogledd, hybu ein heconomi a gostwng biliau aelwydydd pobl ledled Cymru? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780479 33 En 2026-10-21T13:49:38 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=1180&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=1180&l=cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 5030 5030 Adam Price AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5030 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5030 Price, Adam Look, the real opportunity for us—. If you want to talk about energy off our shores, the real opportunity for us in Wales, it's in our floating offshore wind sector, it's in our tidal stream and tidal lagoon industries. That's where the real opportunity, in terms of jobs, is. So, let's focus there, because there are important messages where it would be useful if we could speak with one voice to urge the UK Government, for example, to realise the strategic value of marine energy, of floating offshore wind, of tidal. We have some unique geographic assets. No, they don't involve fossil fuels, but they are definitely sectors of the future that not only will be important in energy terms, but, if we get this right, will create massive supply chain opportunities to build out manufacturing at our ports in Port Talbot and in ports across the whole of Wales. So, let's focus there, where the real opportunity is for Wales, rather than be distracted by issues and questions that are not our responsibility and won't directly benefit us. Edrychwch, y cyfle go iawn i ni—. Os ydych chi eisiau siarad am ynni ar y môr, mae'r cyfle go iawn i ni yng Nghymru yn ein sector ffermydd gwynt arnofiol ar y môr, yn ein diwydiannau ffrydiau llanw a môr-lynnoedd llanw. Dyna ble mae'r cyfle go iawn o ran swyddi. Felly, gadewch inni ganolbwyntio ar hynny, gan fod negeseuon pwysig lle byddai'n ddefnyddiol pe gallem siarad ag un llais i annog Llywodraeth y DU, er enghraifft, i nodi gwerth strategol ynni'r môr, ffermydd gwynt arnofiol ar y môr, ac ynni'r llanw. Mae gennym asedau daearyddol unigryw. Na, nid ydynt yn cynnwys tanwydd ffosil, ond maent yn bendant yn sectorau'r dyfodol a fydd nid yn unig yn bwysig o ran ynni, ond os gwnawn hyn yn iawn, byddant yn creu cyfleoedd enfawr yn y gadwyn gyflenwi i gynyddu gweithgynhyrchu yn ein porthladdoedd ym Mhort Talbot ac mewn porthladdoedd ledled Cymru gyfan. Felly, gadewch inni ganolbwyntio ar hynny, lle mae'r cyfle go iawn i Gymru, yn hytrach na rhoi ein sylw i faterion a chwestiynau nad ydynt yn gyfrifoldeb i ni ac na fyddant o fudd uniongyrchol i ni. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780455 34 En 2026-10-21T13:50:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=1202&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=1202&l=cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780461 35 En 2026-10-21T13:50:58 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=1260&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=1260&l=cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 12158 12158 Jason O'Connell AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12158 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12158 O'Connell, Jason Thank you, Minister. The biggest word in that statement I picked up on was 'if' we get this right. That's a very big 'if' indeed. But, moving on, today, Reform UK will lead a debate calling for a ban on face coverings used to conceal identities and intimidate the public. Wales has become a country where criminals can hide their faces while law-abiding citizens are frightened to walk down their own high streets. Across Wales, hard-working businesses are struggling, shopkeepers face intimidation and theft, customers are being driven away, and once-thriving town centres are suffering, leading to damage to our economic outlook. All too often, those responsible are hiding behind balaclavas, riding illegal e-bikes, making it harder for the police to identify them. Minister, we both know that enough is enough. Our high streets belong to families, shoppers and hard-working businesses, not masked thugs. We know this matter is reserved to the police, but councils across Wales are considering using their powers to ban face coverings, including balaclavas. We in Reform will do everything we can to support them. Minister, do you agree that Reform UK's face coverings ban would curb anti-social behaviour and help protect Welsh town centres? Diolch, Weinidog. Y gair pwysicaf y sylwais arno yn y datganiad hwnnw oedd 'os' y gwnawn hyn yn iawn. Mae hwnnw'n 'os' mawr iawn yn wir. Ond gan symud ymlaen, heddiw, bydd Reform UK yn arwain dadl yn galw am waharddiad ar orchuddion a ddefnyddir i guddio wynebau ac i ddychryn y cyhoedd. Mae Cymru wedi dod yn wlad lle gall troseddwyr guddio eu hwynebau tra bod ofn cerdded ar hyd eu strydoedd mawr eu hunain ar ddinasyddion sy'n ufudd i'r gyfraith. Ledled Cymru, mae busnesau gweithgar yn ei chael hi'n anodd, mae siopwyr yn wynebu bygythiad a lladradau, mae cwsmeriaid yn cadw draw, ac mae canol trefi a fu unwaith yn ffyniannus yn dioddef, gan arwain at niwed i'n rhagolygon economaidd. Yn rhy aml, mae'r rhai sy'n gyfrifol yn cuddio y tu ôl i falaclafas, yn reidio beiciau trydan anghyfreithlon, gan ei gwneud yn anos i'r heddlu eu hadnabod. Weinidog, gwyddom mai digon yw digon. Mae ein strydoedd mawr yn eiddo i deuluoedd, siopwyr a busnesau gweithgar, nid i labystiaid mewn mygydau. Gwyddom fod hwn yn fater a gedwir yn ôl i'r heddlu, ond mae cynghorau ledled Cymru yn ystyried defnyddio eu pwerau i wahardd gorchuddion wyneb, gan gynnwys balaclafas. Byddwn ni yn Reform yn gwneud popeth yn ein gallu i'w cefnogi. Weinidog, a ydych chi'n cytuno y byddai gwaharddiad Reform UK ar orchuddion wyneb yn cyfyngu ar ymddygiad gwrthgymdeithasol ac yn helpu i ddiogelu canol trefi Cymru? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780463 36 En 2026-10-21T13:52:14 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=1336&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=1336&l=cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 5030 5030 Adam Price AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5030 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5030 Price, Adam How this is relevant to these particular questions—. But, look, this is an attempt, once again, to use this platform to sow division. Speak to the shop workers' union—there's a very real issue in terms of the abuse that they face. Meet with the unions and understand the proposals that they are bringing forward to actually make a difference to those workers' lives, not constantly use this place as a platform just to play politics and sow division and hate. Sut y mae hyn yn berthnasol i'r cwestiynau penodol hyn—. Ond edrychwch, dyma ymgais, unwaith eto, i ddefnyddio'r platfform hwn i hau ymraniad. Siaradwch ag undeb y gweithwyr siopau—mae problem wirioneddol o ran y gamdriniaeth y maent yn ei hwynebu. Cyfarfyddwch â'r undebau a deallwch y cynigion y maent yn eu cyflwyno i wneud gwahaniaeth gwirioneddol i fywydau'r gweithwyr hynny, nid defnyddio'r lle hwn yn gyson fel llwyfan i chwarae gwleidyddiaeth a hau ymraniad a chasineb. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780464 37 Cy 2026-10-21T13:52:57 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=1379&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=1379&l=en 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Llefarydd Llafur Cymru, Shav Taj. Welsh Labour spokesperson, Shav Taj. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780465 38 En 2026-10-21T13:53:01 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=1383&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=1383&l=cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 12175 12175 Shav Taj AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12175 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12175 Taj, Shav We've been talking about data, and of course data centres have been in the news quite a lot recently. The planning Minister recently responded to a written question of mine stating that the current system for approving data centres has robust checks and balances in place to ensure that their environmental and community impacts are properly considered. Now, does the Cabinet Minister agree with the planning Minister? And, if the current system is robust for all data centre applications, why is his Government then writing a data centre framework? Rydym wedi bod yn sôn am ddata, ac wrth gwrs, mae canolfannau data wedi cael llawer o sylw yn y newyddion yn ddiweddar. Yn ddiweddar, ymatebodd y Gweinidog cynllunio i gwestiwn ysgrifenedig gennyf yn nodi bod gan y system bresennol ar gyfer cymeradwyo canolfannau data drefniadau cadarn ar waith i sicrhau bod eu heffeithiau amgylcheddol a chymunedol yn cael eu hystyried yn briodol. Nawr, a yw'r Gweinidog Cabinet yn cytuno â'r Gweinidog cynllunio? Ac os yw'r system bresennol yn gadarn ar gyfer pob cais am ganolfan ddata, pam felly y mae ei Lywodraeth yn ysgrifennu fframwaith canolfannau data? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780466 39 En 2026-10-21T13:53:34 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=1416&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=1416&l=cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 5030 5030 Adam Price AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5030 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5030 Price, Adam What I think that we've said is that we are bringing forward a general policy framework around data centres. I will leave it to the planning Minister to address the planning dimension of that. Technology changes all the time, and I think that, because of the number of dimensions involved in relation to data centres—their potential contribution to the economy, but also the need to make sure that legitimate questions around land use, around the use of water and the use of energy are addressed properly—it is sensible for us to have a framework, as most other countries are doing at the moment, to ensure that we maximise the benefits and the opportunities, but also mitigate against any potential downside were a framework of that nature not put in place. Rwy'n credu mai'r hyn rydym wedi'i ddweud yw ein bod yn cyflwyno fframwaith polisi cyffredinol o amgylch canolfannau data. Fe'i gadawaf i'r Gweinidog cynllunio fynd i'r afael â'r elfen gynllunio o hynny. Mae technoleg yn newid drwy'r amser, ac oherwydd yr elfennau niferus sy'n gysylltiedig â chanolfannau data—eu cyfraniad posibl i'r economi, ond hefyd yr angen i sicrhau y rhoddir ystyriaeth lawn i gwestiynau teilwng ynghylch defnydd tir, defnydd dŵr a defnydd ynni—ei bod yn synhwyrol inni gael fframwaith, fel y mae'r rhan fwyaf o wledydd eraill yn ei wneud ar hyn o bryd, i sicrhau ein bod yn gwneud y mwyaf o'r manteision a'r cyfleoedd, ond hefyd i liniaru unrhyw anfanteision posibl pe na bai fframwaith o'r natur honno ar waith. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780468 40 Cy 2026-10-21T13:54:35 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=1477&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=1477&l=en 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Llefarydd y Ceidwadwyr Cymreig, Janet Finch-Saunders. Welsh Conservatives spokesperson, Janet Finch-Saunders. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780471 41 En 2026-10-21T13:54:38 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=1480&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=1480&l=cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 212 212 Janet Finch-Saunders AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=212 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=212 Finch-Saunders, Janet Diolch, Ddirprwy Lywydd. Of course, Cabinet Minister, our portfolio covers connectivity across Wales, and good broadband and strong mobile signal is certainly a huge component of that. Ofcom found that much of Wales has the poorest broadband provision in the UK. Wales has an average broadband speed of 6.5 Mbps compared with the UK average of 7.5 Mbps. Twelve local authorities across Wales are classified as having the poorest broadband provision, with some areas receiving speeds of only around 2 Mbps. I've spoken so many times about this with the previous Government, and it is fair to say that, in rural areas, parts of my constituency of Bangor Conwy Môn, some residents are still facing extremely poor broadband connectivity. Now, we need to see increased emphasis— Diolch, Ddirprwy Lywydd. Wrth gwrs, Weinidog Cabinet, mae ein portffolio'n cynnwys cysylltedd ledled Cymru, ac mae band eang da a signal ffonau symudol cryf yn sicr yn elfen enfawr o hynny. Canfu Ofcom fod gan lawer o Gymru'r ddarpariaeth band eang waethaf yn y DU. Mae gan Gymru gyflymder band eang cyfartalog o 6.5 Mbps o gymharu â chyfartaledd y DU o 7.5 Mbps. Mae deuddeg awdurdod lleol ledled Cymru wedi'u dosbarthu fel rhai sydd â'r ddarpariaeth band eang waethaf, gyda rhai ardaloedd yn cael cyflymderau o oddeutu 2 Mbps yn unig. Rwyf wedi siarad gymaint o weithiau am hyn gyda'r Llywodraeth flaenorol, ac mae'n deg dweud, mewn ardaloedd gwledig, rhannau o fy etholaeth i, sef Bangor Conwy Môn, fod rhai trigolion yn dal i wynebu cysylltedd band eang gwael iawn. Nawr, mae angen inni weld mwy o bwyslais— 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780476 42 En 2026-10-21T13:55:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=1502&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=1502&l=cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780484 43 En 2026-10-21T13:55:40 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=1542&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=1542&l=cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Can we have the question, please? A gawn ni'r cwestiwn, os gwelwch yn dda? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780485 44 En 2026-10-21T13:55:41 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=1543&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=1543&l=cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 212 212 Janet Finch-Saunders AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=212 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=212 Finch-Saunders, Janet Yes. We need to see a greater emphasis on funding. How will you address these notspots? Iawn. Mae angen inni weld mwy o bwyslais ar gyllid. Sut y byddwch chi'n mynd i'r afael â'r mannau gwan hyn? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780488 45 En 2026-10-21T13:55:48 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=1550&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=1550&l=cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 5030 5030 Adam Price AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5030 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5030 Price, Adam I totally accept the premise of the question, that this is vitally important for social and economic reasons. Of course, it's fundamentally a UK Government responsibility, and so one of the things that we absolutely need to do is to get them to deliver faster on the promises that they've made through Project Gigabit and others. In every infrastructure investment that the UK Government makes, it's always us in Wales that are at the wrong end of a very long line. And it shouldn't be the case, actually, because digital infrastructure, by its very nature, has the capacity to actually limit the costs of distance. But, unfortunately, the way that decisions have been made in the UK, it has had the opposite effect. We will do what we can within our resources to make up for the deficiencies of the decisions made by the UK Government. We will obviously put every pressure that we can to make sure that they live up to their responsibilities. Rwy'n derbyn sail y cwestiwn yn llwyr, fod hyn yn hanfodol bwysig am resymau cymdeithasol ac economaidd. Wrth gwrs, mae'n gyfrifoldeb i Lywodraeth y DU yn ei hanfod, ac felly un o'r pethau y mae angen i ni eu gwneud yw eu cymell i fynd ati'n gyflymach i gyflawni'r addewidion a wnaethant drwy Brosiect Gigabit a phethau eraill. Ym mhob buddsoddiad seilwaith y mae Llywodraeth y DU yn ei wneud, ni yng Nghymru sydd bob amser ar y pen anghywir mewn ciw hir iawn. Ac ni ddylai hynny fod yn wir, mewn gwirionedd, gan fod gan seilwaith digidol ynddo'i hun y gallu i leihau costau pellter. Ond yn anffodus, mae'r ffordd y gwnaed y penderfyniadau yn y DU wedi cael effaith i'r gwrthwyneb. Byddwn yn gwneud yr hyn a allwn o fewn ein hadnoddau i wneud iawn am ddiffygion y penderfyniadau a wnaed gan Lywodraeth y DU. Yn amlwg, byddwn yn rhoi'r holl bwysau y gallwn ei roi i sicrhau eu bod yn cyflawni eu cyfrifoldebau. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780490 46 En 2026-10-21T13:56:53 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=1615&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=1615&l=cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 212 212 Janet Finch-Saunders AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=212 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=212 Finch-Saunders, Janet Diolch. I just need to correct you. In the previous UK Conservative Government, under David Cameron, £56.9 million of funding came directly into Wales for superfast Cymru broadband. And we then had Project Gigabit under Boris Johnson, the Right Honourable, again under a Conservative Government. This must continue. And additionally, companies are now phasing out copper cables. So, my residents in Bangor Conwy Môn are really struggling, because, with the phasing out of copper cables, which connect many residents to landlines, there's growing concern about people living in rural areas with poor mobile phone coverage. What steps are you taking, Cabinet Minister, to ensure that those households in rural, isolated parts—and there are many within Wales, but there are a lot in Bangor Conwy Môn—? How are you going to support them as a Government throughout this transition, and how are you going to work with the UK Government now to ensure we get much better funding into Wales for this? Diolch. Diolch. Mae angen i mi eich cywiro. O dan Lywodraeth Geidwadol flaenorol y DU, o dan arweiniad David Cameron, daeth £56.9 miliwn o gyllid yn uniongyrchol i Gymru ar gyfer band eang cyflym iawn yng Nghymru. Ac yna cawsom Brosiect Gigabit o dan y Gwir Anrhydeddus Boris Johnson, unwaith eto o dan Lywodraeth Geidwadol. Rhaid i hyn barhau. Ac yn ogystal, mae cwmnïau bellach yn rhoi'r gorau yn raddol i ddefnyddio ceblau copr. Felly, mae fy mhreswylwyr ym Mangor Conwy Môn yn ei chael hi'n anodd iawn, oherwydd, wrth iddynt roi'r gorau yn raddol i ddefnyddio ceblau copr, sy'n cysylltu llawer o drigolion â llinellau tir, mae pryder cynyddol am bobl sy'n byw mewn ardaloedd gwledig sydd â signal ffonau symudol gwael. Pa gamau rydych chi'n eu cymryd, Weinidog Cabinet, i sicrhau bod cartrefi mewn rhannau gwledig, anghysbell—ac mae nifer yng Nghymru, ond mae llawer ym Mangor Conwy Môn—? Sut rydych chi'n mynd i'w cefnogi fel Llywodraeth drwy'r cyfnod pontio hwn, a sut rydych chi'n mynd i weithio gyda Llywodraeth y DU nawr i sicrhau ein bod yn cael cyllid llawer gwell i Gymru ar gyfer hyn? Diolch. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780506 47 En 2026-10-21T13:58:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=1682&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=1682&l=cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 5030 5030 Adam Price AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5030 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5030 Price, Adam Well, as I said, we will first of all hold the UK Government and the relevant stakeholders to the commitments that they have made. Where it's possible, within the resources that we have, and within the levers that we have, we will do everything that we can to mitigate any of the deficiencies from the lack of investment that flows from the UK Government. I've met with some of the key companies in the sector to see in which ways we can work smarter, develop innovative solutions, in order to make sure that no community or no individual, as far as is possible, is digitally left behind. But we do need the UK Government to put that investment in that was promised. Wel, fel y dywedais, yn gyntaf oll byddwn yn dal Llywodraeth y DU a'r rhanddeiliaid perthnasol i'r ymrwymiadau y maent wedi'u gwneud. Lle bo'n bosibl, o fewn yr adnoddau sydd gennym, ac o fewn yr ysgogiadau sydd gennym, byddwn yn gwneud popeth yn ein gallu i liniaru unrhyw ddiffyg o ganlyniad i'r diffyg buddsoddiad gan Lywodraeth y DU. Rwyf wedi cyfarfod â rhai o'r cwmnïau allweddol yn y sector i weld ym mha ffyrdd y gallwn weithio'n ddoethach, datblygu atebion arloesol, er mwyn sicrhau nad oes unrhyw gymuned nac unrhyw unigolyn, cyn belled ag y bo modd, yn cael eu gadael ar ôl yn ddigidol. Ond mae angen i Lywodraeth y DU ddarparu'r buddsoddiad a addawyd. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780508 48 Cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy B Ffwrnais Arc Drydan Electric Arc Furnace 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780509 49 Cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy O 12142 12142 Benjamin Hodge Mckenna AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12142 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12142 Hodge Mckenna, Benjamin 3. Pa drafodaethau y mae'r Llywodraeth yn eu cynnal gyda'r Grid Cenedlaethol ynglŷn â gosod ffwrnais arc drydan ym Mhort Talbot? OQ64761 3. What discussions is the Government having with National Grid regarding the electric arc furnace installation in Port Talbot? OQ64761 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780510 50 Cy 2026-10-21T13:59:04 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=1746&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=1746&l=en 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 5030 5030 Adam Price AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5030 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5030 Price, Adam Mae swyddogion Llywodraeth Cymru yn cynnal cyfarfodydd rheolaidd gyda National Grid Electricity Transmission. Mae gwaith gosod ffwrnais arc drydan Tata Steel UK yn fater masnachol. Fodd bynnag, rydyn ni’n codi'r mater fel y bo'n briodol. Welsh Government officials hold regular meetings with National Grid Electricity Transmission. Tata Steel UK’s electric arc furnace installation is a commercial matter. However, we do raise the matter as appropriate. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780514 51 En 2026-10-21T13:59:19 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=1761&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=1761&l=cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 12142 12142 Benjamin Hodge Mckenna AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12142 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12142 Hodge Mckenna, Benjamin Diolch, Weinidog. The decision to close the blast furnaces in Port Talbot was disastrous for my local community. Thousands of jobs were lost and the impact on the wider economy is severe. The National Grid connection offer for the new electric arc furnace was contracted for the end of 2027. However, a range of factors, such as planning and ground conditions, are threatening to delay the project, and some sources are saying that it could be as late as 2029 before the new furnace comes online. Previously, you've mentioned that the Welsh Government is not a party to the commercial agreement between National Grid and Tata, but I'd like to ask what conversations you've had with National Grid regarding these delays and what further action will you take to prevent any further issues that could harm jobs and the local economy in Port Talbot. Diolch. Diolch, Weinidog. Roedd y penderfyniad i gau'r ffwrneisi chwyth ym Mhort Talbot yn drychinebus i fy nghymuned leol. Collwyd miloedd o swyddi ac mae'r effaith ar yr economi ehangach yn ddifrifol. Roedd y cynnig i gysylltu'r ffwrnais arc drydan newydd â'r Grid Cenedlaethol wedi'i gontractio ar gyfer diwedd 2027. Fodd bynnag, mae amrywiaeth o ffactorau, megis cynllunio a chyflwr y tir, yn bygwth gohirio'r prosiect, ac mae rhai ffynonellau'n dweud y gallai fod mor hwyr â 2029 cyn i'r ffwrnais newydd ddod yn weithredol. Rydych chi wedi dweud yn flaenorol nad yw Llywodraeth Cymru yn rhan o'r cytundeb masnachol rhwng y Grid Cenedlaethol a Tata, ond hoffwn ofyn pa sgyrsiau a gawsoch chi gyda'r Grid Cenedlaethol ynghylch yr oedi hwn a pha gamau pellach y byddwch chi'n eu cymryd i atal unrhyw broblemau pellach a allai niweidio swyddi a'r economi leol ym Mhort Talbot. Diolch. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780469 52 En 2026-10-21T14:00:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=1802&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=1802&l=cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780501 53 Cy 2026-10-21T14:04:59 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=2101&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=2101&l=en 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780475 54 En 2026-10-21T14:00:13 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=1815&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=1815&l=cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 5030 5030 Adam Price AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5030 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5030 Price, Adam Yes, I'm very grateful to the Member for his supplementary question. I met with Tata Steel UK's chief executive officer, Rajesh Nair, and the steel unions at Tata's Port Talbot site on 24 September to receive a further update on developments. We focused on a whole range of matters, including the issues around connectivity to the grid, which is at the heart of his question, but there were other matters as well around UK Government trade quotas and the effect that that was having on the domestic steel market. Following that meeting, I did meet with the UK Government's Minister for Reindustrialisation, Blair McDougall, together with the Secretary of State for Wales to discuss some of the matters that were raised. So, we are constantly engaging with the company, with the unions and also with the UK Government to ensure that Wales does—. I absolutely agree with him about the tragedy, really, of the loss of the blast furnaces, but we now need to make sure that we maximise the opportunity represented by the electric arc furnace. It will be the first or second-largest electric arc furnace anywhere in the world. There is the prospect for us to be producing more than 50 per cent of UK domestic steel capacity at a time when the UK Government has said that it wants to increase the level of domestic procurement. So, there is an opportunity there that is massive. We need to stay focused, I absolutely agree, in order to seize that opportunity. Rwy'n ddiolchgar iawn i'r Aelod am ei gwestiwn atodol. Cyfarfûm â phrif swyddog gweithredol Tata Steel UK, Rajesh Nair, a'r undebau dur ar safle Tata ym Mhort Talbot ar 24 Medi i gael diweddariad pellach ar ddatblygiadau. Fe wnaethom ganolbwyntio ar ystod eang o faterion, gan gynnwys y materion ynghylch cysylltedd â'r grid, sef yr hyn sydd wrth wraidd ei gwestiwn, ond roedd materion eraill hefyd yn codi ynglŷn â chwotâu masnach Llywodraeth y DU a'r effaith yr oedd hynny'n ei chael ar y farchnad ddur ddomestig. Yn dilyn y cyfarfod hwnnw, cyfarfûm â Gweinidog Ailddiwydiannu Llywodraeth y DU, Blair McDougall, ynghyd ag Ysgrifennydd Gwladol Cymru i drafod rhai o'r materion a godwyd. Felly, rydym yn ymgysylltu'n gyson â'r cwmni, gyda'r undebau a hefyd gyda Llywodraeth y DU i sicrhau bod Cymru'n—. Rwy'n cytuno'n llwyr ag ef am y drasiedi o golli'r ffwrneisi chwyth, ond mae angen inni wneud yn siŵr nawr ein bod yn gwneud y mwyaf o'r cyfle a ddaw gan y ffwrnais arc drydan. Dyma'r ffwrnais arc drydan fwyaf neu'r ail fwyaf yn unman yn y byd. Mae potensial i ni allu cynhyrchu mwy na 50 y cant o gapasiti dur domestig y DU ar adeg pan fo Llywodraeth y DU wedi dweud ei bod eisiau cynyddu'r lefel sy'n cael ei chaffael yn ddomestig. Felly, mae yna gyfle enfawr yno. Rwy'n cytuno'n llwyr fod angen inni barhau i gadw ffocws er mwyn manteisio ar y cyfle hwnnw. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780482 55 En 2026-10-21T14:02:01 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=1923&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=1923&l=cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 12164 12164 Elyn Stephens AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12164 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12164 Stephens, Elyn Gweinidog Cabinet, I visited National Grid at Margam substation over the summer to discuss the connection to the Port Talbot substation needed for Tata Steel's electric arc furnace. National Grid explained that there were a number of unexpected barriers, as the Member has previously alluded to, for example, poor ground conditions that increase the number of piles required in the ground from the initial 400 to 11,000, adding an estimated 34 weeks to complete construction. They also outlined plans to recover some of that lost time. Given the importance of the project to the future of steel making in Port Talbot, can the Gweinidog confirm whether any progress has been made in reducing that 34-week delay and whether there is scope to shorten the construction programme further? Weinidog Cabinet, ymwelais â'r Grid Cenedlaethol yn is-orsaf Margam dros yr haf i drafod y cysylltiad ag is-orsaf Port Talbot sydd ei angen ar gyfer ffwrnais arc drydan Tata Steel. Esboniodd y Grid Cenedlaethol fod nifer o rwystrau annisgwyl, fel y nododd yr Aelod yn flaenorol, er enghraifft, cyflwr gwael y tir sy'n cynyddu nifer y pyst sydd eu hangen yn y ddaear o'r 400 cychwynnol i 11,000, gan ychwanegu 34 wythnos amcangyfrifedig i gwblhau'r gwaith adeiladu. Hefyd, fe wnaethant amlinellu cynlluniau i adfer rhywfaint o'r amser coll hwnnw. O ystyried pwysigrwydd y prosiect i ddyfodol cynhyrchiant dur ym Mhort Talbot, a all y Gweinidog gadarnhau p'un a wnaed unrhyw gynnydd ar leihau'r oedi o 34 wythnos ac a oes lle i fyrhau'r rhaglen adeiladu ymhellach? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780486 56 En 2026-10-21T14:02:48 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=1970&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=1970&l=cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 5030 5030 Adam Price AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5030 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5030 Price, Adam I think I will have to leave it to the company to share any information it would like to put in the public domain in relation to the current state of play. This is obviously market sensitive information. You can appreciate that it's most appropriate that that comes from the company, and I'm sure that they would want to allow the workforce to hear that information first.  But I think that one of the positive things that I'm sure that Tata Steel would not in any way have a problem with me sharing was the very positive experience that they had with Neath Port Talbot Council. We often hear, don't we, in the context of economic development, concerns around planning delay. Well, the message that I very clearly heard from the company was that they were incredibly impressed by the way in which the planning officers of Neath Port Talbot Council had really worked at an incredible pace and shown some innovation in how to manage that process. And there may be wider lessons that can be shared with other major projects across Wales. And we talked a little bit about how we could share that best practice. As a result of this experience as well, we are very conscious of the importance of focusing in a very granular fashion on major developments and what that means for the grid. And we are, as I said, in discussion with National Grid Electricity Transmission and other relevant stakeholders to make sure that we learn from this experience and make sure that we identify areas where we can make progress in terms of the grid connection and its important role in our economy. Rwy'n credu y bydd yn rhaid imi adael i'r cwmni rannu unrhyw wybodaeth yr hoffai ei roi yn y parth cyhoeddus mewn perthynas â'r sefyllfa bresennol. Mae hon yn amlwg yn wybodaeth sensitif i'r farchnad. Gallwch ddeall ei bod yn briodol i hynny ddod gan y cwmni, ac rwy'n siŵr y byddent am ganiatáu i'r gweithlu glywed y wybodaeth honno yn gyntaf. Ond rwy'n meddwl mai un o'r pethau cadarnhaol yr wyf yn siŵr na fyddai gan Tata Steel broblem gyda mi'n ei rannu oedd y profiad cadarnhaol iawn a gawsant gyda Chyngor Castell-nedd Port Talbot. Rydym yn aml yn clywed pryderon, onid ydym, yng nghyd-destun datblygu economaidd, ynghylch oedi gyda chynllunio. Wel, y neges a glywais yn glir iawn gan y cwmni oedd bod y ffordd yr oedd swyddogion cynllunio Cyngor Castell-nedd Port Talbot wedi gweithio ar gyflymder anhygoel ac wedi dangos arloesedd o ran sut i reoli'r broses honno wedi creu argraff enfawr arnynt. Ac efallai y bydd gwersi ehangach y gellir eu rhannu â phrosiectau mawr eraill ledled Cymru. Ac fe wnaethom siarad ychydig ynglŷn â sut y gallem rannu'r arfer gorau hwnnw. O ganlyniad i'r profiad hwn hefyd, rydym yn ymwybodol iawn o bwysigrwydd cadw ffocws manwl iawn ar ddatblygiadau mawr a beth y mae hynny'n ei olygu i'r grid. Ac fel y dywedais, rydym yn trafod gyda Trawsyrru Trydan y Grid Cenedlaethol a rhanddeiliaid perthnasol eraill i wneud yn siŵr ein bod yn dysgu o'r profiad hwn a gwneud yn siŵr ein bod yn nodi meysydd lle gallwn wneud cynnydd o ran y cysylltiad grid a'i rôl bwysig yn ein heconomi. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780499 57 Cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy B Cyfleoedd Cyflogaeth Employment Opportunities 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780500 58 Cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy O 518 518 Lindsay Whittle AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=518 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=518 Whittle, Lindsay 4. Pa fesurau y bydd Llywodraeth Cymru yn eu cymryd i gefnogi cyfleoedd cyflogaeth ym Mlaenau Gwent Caerffili Rhymni? OQ64731 4. What measures will the Welsh Government take to support employment opportunities in Blaenau Gwent Caerffili Rhymni? OQ64731 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780470 59 En 2026-10-21T14:05:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=2102&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=2102&l=cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780472 60 Cy 2026-10-21T00:00:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=-48598&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=-48598&l=en 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780473 61 Cy 2026-10-21T14:05:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=2102&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=2102&l=en 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780477 62 Cy 2026-10-21T14:05:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=2102&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=2102&l=en 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780474 63 Cy 2026-10-21T14:05:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=2102&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=2102&l=en 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 5030 5030 Adam Price AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5030 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5030 Price, Adam Mae'r rhaglen lywodraethu yn nodi'r ystod o fesurau y byddwn ni'n eu cymryd i wella cyfleoedd a chanlyniadau economaidd ar gyfer pob rhan o Gymru. Mae hyn yn cynnwys y genhadaeth genedlaethol ar gynhyrchiant, gan gefnogi busnesau bach a'r stryd fawr i ffynnu a sicrhau bod gan Gymru y sgiliau sydd eu hangen arni ar gyfer y dyfodol. The programme for government sets out the range of measures that we will take to improve economic opportunities and outcomes for every part of Wales. This includes the national productivity mission, supporting small businesses and high streets to thrive and ensuring Wales has the skills it needs for the future. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780478 64 Cy 2026-10-21T14:05:21 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=2123&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=2123&l=en 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 518 518 Lindsay Whittle AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=518 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=518 Whittle, Lindsay Diolch am eich ateb, Weinidog. Fy mhryder yw bod gormod o'n pobl ifanc talentog ym Mlaenau Gwent Caerffili Rhymni yn teimlo bod yn rhaid iddynt symud i ffwrdd i ddod o hyd i yrfaoedd cynaliadwy hirdymor. Tu hwnt i ffrydiau cyllido cyffredinol, pa warantau targedig all Llywodraeth Cymru eu cynnig i greu swyddi medrus sy'n ddiogel ar gyfer y dyfodol yn eu milltir sgwâr fel y gallwn stopio allforio ein cenhedlaeth nesaf? Thank you very much for your response, Minister. My concern is that too many of our talented young people in Blaenau Gwent Caerffili Rhymni feel that they have to move away to find careers that are sustainable and long term. Beyond the general funding streams, what targeted assurances can the Welsh Government provide to create skilled, futureproofed jobs in their local area so that we can stop exporting our next generation? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780503 65 Cy 2026-10-21T14:06:02 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=2164&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=2164&l=en 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 5030 5030 Adam Price AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5030 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5030 Price, Adam Diolch yn fawr iawn i'r Aelod am y cwestiwn atodol. Mae'r cwestiwn yma yn greiddiol i'n strategaeth economaidd ni. Mi oeddwn i, y bore yma, wedi cwrdd, am y tro cyntaf, gyda'r panel sydd yn ein cynorthwyo ni i ddylunio'r asiantaeth ddatblygu, ac un o'r themâu roeddwn i wedi'u pwysleisio oedd yr angen i sicrhau ein bod ni'n cynhyrchu swyddi da ym mhobman. Dŷn ni ddim eisiau gweld sefyllfa lle mae Cymru yn efelychu yr hyn rŷn ni wedi gweld o ran datblygiad anwastad y Deyrnas Unedig, lle mae ffyniant ond yn cronni mewn un cornel o'n gwlad. Rŷn ni eisiau i dde-ddwyrain Cymru ffynnu, rŷn ni eisiau i ogledd-ddwyrain Cymru ffynnu, ac rŷn ni'n falch iawn o'r llwyddiant sydd yn digwydd yno, ond rŷn ni eisiau i hynny gael ei ledu drwy'r Cymoedd, drwy Flaenau'r Cymoedd, i'r gorllewin, mewn i Gymru wledig, i'r gogledd-orllewin. Mae'n rhaid codi Cymru oll i fyny, a dyna'r ffordd rŷn fel Llywodraeth am weithredu, a dyna'r nod a'r genhadaeth rŷn ni wedi'u rhoi yn barod i'r asiantaeth ddatblygu newydd. I thank the Member for that supplementary question. This question is at the heart of our economic strategy. This morning, I met, for the first time, with the panel assisting us to design the new development agency, and one of the themes that I emphasised was the need to ensure that we do generate good jobs everywhere. We don't want to see a situation where Wales emulates what we've seen in terms of the uneven development across the United Kingdom, where prosperity only accrues in one corner of our nation. We want the south-east of Wales to prosper, we want the north-east of Wales to prosper, and we are very proud of the success that there has been there, but we also want that to permeate through the Valleys, the Heads of the Valleys, into the west, into rural Wales, and into the north-west of Wales. We must raise up the whole of Wales, and that is how we as a Government intend to operate, and that is the aim and the mission that we have already given to the new development agency. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780520 66 En 2026-10-21T14:07:25 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=2247&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=2247&l=cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 11971 11971 Llŷr Powell AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=11971 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=11971 Powell, Llyr Minister, one concern I've got, from speaking to lots of people in the constituency, who feel young people are leaving the area of Blaenau Gwent Caerffili Rhymni at a large pace now. We can see that the population age is going up in every census, and anyone who's been around the town recently feels that young people are leaving for cities, going over to England or to other parts of the world. What help can you do to incentivise businesses into the constituency, because it's businesses that will create those jobs, but Government have the levers of power to pull? So, I'd be grateful if you could tell us today what levers you're going to pull to bring in those jobs to keep young people here. Weinidog, mae gennyf bryder yn sgil siarad â llawer o bobl yn yr etholaeth sy'n teimlo bod pobl ifanc yn gadael ardal Blaenau Gwent Caerffili Rhymni yn gyflym iawn nawr. Gallwn weld bod oedran y boblogaeth yn codi ym mhob cyfrifiad, ac mae unrhyw un sydd wedi bod o gwmpas y dref yn ddiweddar yn teimlo bod pobl ifanc yn gadael am y dinasoedd, yn mynd draw i Loegr neu i rannau eraill o'r byd. Pa help y gallwch chi ei roi i ysgogi busnesau i ddod i mewn i'r etholaeth, oherwydd busnesau fydd yn creu'r swyddi hynny, ond gan y Llywodraeth y mae'r liferi grym? Felly, buaswn yn ddiolchgar pe gallech chi ddweud wrthym heddiw pa liferi rydych chi'n mynd i'w tynnu i ddod â'r swyddi hynny i mewn i gadw pobl ifanc yma. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780527 67 En 2026-10-21T14:07:59 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=2281&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=2281&l=cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 5030 5030 Adam Price AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5030 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5030 Price, Adam I think that's a really important question, and Governments, of course, at one level, have to create the broad conditions of economic success, but we also have to work in a very, very focused way, in the near term, which is about job creation in businesses. Ultimately, Governments can help create those conditions, but it's not Governments that regenerate communities; it's communities and businesses within them that regenerate communities and create those jobs. So, certainly, in looking at the role of inward investment, for example, I think it's critical that we think about the way in which we can make sure that there are opportunities for foreign direct investment in every part of Wales. And, interestingly, in a conversation I had with one of the leading firms in the compound semiconductor cluster, they brought many of their suppliers into Wales, they wanted to be close to the cluster, but those companies said, 'We don't want to be in Newport. We don't need to be in Newport. We want to be in the northern Valleys. We think that's a better fit for us. The skills are there. There are advantages for us.' And there are, of course, fantastic transport links. So, there are unique assets, both people based and also physical assets, that can be leveraged in every community. And we need to be thinking in that granular way to identify opportunities that fit, community by community, across Wales. Rwy'n credu bod hwnnw'n gwestiwn pwysig iawn, ac ar un lefel, rhaid i Lywodraethau greu amodau eang llwyddiant economaidd, ond rhaid inni hefyd weithio mewn ffordd ofalus iawn yn y tymor byr, sy'n ymwneud â chreu swyddi mewn busnesau. Yn y pen draw, gall Llywodraethau helpu i greu'r amodau hynny, ond nid Llywodraethau sy'n adfywio cymunedau; cymunedau a'r busnesau o'u mewn sy'n adfywio cymunedau ac yn creu'r swyddi hynny. Felly, yn sicr, wrth edrych ar rôl mewnfuddsoddiad, er enghraifft, rwy'n credu ei bod hi'n hanfodol ein bod yn meddwl am y ffordd y gallwn wneud yn siŵr bod cyfleoedd ar gyfer buddsoddiad uniongyrchol tramor ym mhob rhan o Gymru. Ac yn ddiddorol, mewn sgwrs a gefais gydag un o'r cwmnïau mwyaf blaenllaw yn y clwstwr lled-ddargludyddion cyfansawdd, fe wnaethant ddod â llawer o'u cyflenwyr i Gymru, roeddent eisiau bod yn agos at y clwstwr, ond dywedodd y cwmnïau hynny, 'Nid ydym eisiau bod yng Nghasnewydd. Nid oes angen inni fod yng Nghasnewydd. Rydym eisiau bod yn y Cymoedd gogleddol. Rydym yn meddwl bod hynny'n fwy addas i ni. Mae'r sgiliau yno. Mae manteision i ni.' Ac wrth gwrs, mae yna gysylltiadau trafnidiaeth gwych. Felly, mae yna asedau unigryw, yn seiliedig ar bobl a hefyd ar asedau ffisegol, y gellir eu defnyddio ym mhob cymuned. Ac mae angen inni feddwl yn y ffordd fanwl honno i nodi cyfleoedd sy'n addas, fesul cymuned, ledled Cymru. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780549 68 Cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy B Gwariant Caffael Cyhoeddus Public Procurement Spending 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780550 69 Cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy O 278 278 Carrie Harper AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=278 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=278 Harper, Carrie 5. Sut mae Llywodraeth Cymru yn cefnogi busnesau i elwa ar wariant caffael cyhoeddus? OQ64792 5. How is the Welsh Government supporting businesses to benefit from public procurement spending? OQ64792 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780551 70 Cy 2026-10-21T14:09:36 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=2378&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=2378&l=en 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 5030 5030 Adam Price AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5030 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5030 Price, Adam Rydyn ni'n benderfynol bod mwy o fusnesau yng Nghymru yn elwa ar gaffael cyhoeddus. Mae Busnes Cymru yn darparu cyngor wedi'i deilwra, tra bod Deddf Caffael 2023 yn ei gwneud hi'n ofynnol i awdurdodau, mewn caffaeliadau a gwmpesir, ystyried rhwystrau sy'n wynebu busnesau ac a ellir rhannu contractau yn lotiau priodol. Rydyn ni hefyd yn datblygu opsiynau polisi i gryfhau'r cymorth ymhellach. We are determined that more Welsh businesses benefit from public procurement. Business Wales provides tailored advice, while the Procurement Act 2023 requires authorities, in covered procurements, to consider barriers facing businesses and whether contracts can appropriately be divided into lots. We are also developing policy options to strengthen support further. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780480 71 Cy 2026-10-21T14:10:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=2402&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=2402&l=en 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780481 72 En 2026-10-21T14:10:04 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=2406&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=2406&l=cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 278 278 Carrie Harper AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=278 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=278 Harper, Carrie Diolch yn fawr. The Plaid Cymru manifesto sets a target to significantly increase the amount of public procurement spending within Wales to 70 per cent. Given that we spend £11 billion every year on public procurement, there's enormous potential there, isn't there, to better support Welsh businesses, potentially to create tens of thousands of jobs and to boost local supply chains as well. And the best bit, of course, is that this isn't new money; this is money that we're already spending. We need to spend it smarter; we need to make sure more of it goes to local businesses, to our workers and to our communities. So, can the Minister outline what practical steps he's taking to attain that 70 per cent target, and how we plan to measure progress? Diolch. Diolch yn fawr. Mae maniffesto Plaid Cymru yn gosod targed i gynyddu swm y gwariant caffael cyhoeddus yng Nghymru yn sylweddol i 70 y cant. O ystyried ein bod yn gwario £11 biliwn bob blwyddyn ar gaffael cyhoeddus, mae potensial enfawr yno, onid oes, i gefnogi busnesau Cymru yn well, ac o bosibl i greu degau o filoedd o swyddi ac i roi hwb i gadwyni cyflenwi lleol hefyd. A'r peth gorau, wrth gwrs, yw nad arian newydd yw hwn; mae hwn yn arian rydym eisoes yn ei wario. Mae angen inni ei wario'n ddoethach; mae angen inni wneud yn siŵr bod mwy ohono'n mynd i fusnesau lleol, i'n gweithwyr ac i'n cymunedau. Felly, a all y Gweinidog amlinellu pa gamau ymarferol y mae'n eu cymryd i gyrraedd y targed o 70 y cant, a sut y bwriadwn fesur cynnydd? Diolch. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780483 73 En 2026-10-21T14:10:51 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=2453&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=2453&l=cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 5030 5030 Adam Price AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5030 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5030 Price, Adam Yes, absolutely. The formal responsibility is with the finance Minister, but with this, it is very critically, as the Member says, a massive economic driver. It's one of the key tools of industrial policy, actually, public procurement. So, beyond the target, how are we going to achieve it then, getting up to that 70 per cent? We will be setting this out in more detail very shortly. But part of it is working through, as I said, the way in which procurement contracts are structured. So, traditionally, large-scale construction contracts, for example, tend to go to companies the other side of the border because of the scale and the risk involved. Well, just breaking those contracts up into smaller lots, it sounds very simple, but it has a huge impact, and it allows then companies, financially and practically, to get—. The same companies that often end up delivering the project anyway, but now you're taking out a tier and keeping all of that value in Wales. I think that part of it is also about training companies up, companies that possibly have not been involved in larger scale procurement exercises and might have some fear or inhibition about doing so, so working with them in a different context. I'm going to a procurement exercise in north Wales in relation to the Wylfa project. It's the same kind of approach: how to get Welsh SMEs, many of which have never thought of putting themselves forward, just to understand, 'Look, there's nothing to be worried about; it's a process. You've got the skills, you've got the capacity, you can deliver the product, in many cases at lower cost; you've just got to have the confidence to put your name forward.' Yn hollol. Y Gweinidog cyllid sydd â'r cyfrifoldeb ffurfiol, ond gyda hyn, mae'n allweddol iawn, fel y dywed yr Aelod, yn sbardun economaidd enfawr. Mae caffael cyhoeddus yn un o brif arfau polisi diwydiannol mewn gwirionedd. Felly, y tu hwnt i'r targed, sut rydym ni'n mynd i gyrraedd y 70 y cant? Byddwn yn nodi hyn yn fanylach cyn bo hir iawn. Ond fel y dywedais, rhan ohono yw gweithio drwy'r ffordd y mae contractau caffael wedi'u strwythuro. Felly, yn draddodiadol, mae contractau adeiladu ar raddfa fawr, er enghraifft, yn tueddu i fynd i gwmnïau ar yr ochr arall i'r ffin oherwydd y raddfa a'r risg sy'n gysylltiedig. Wel, mae torri'r contractau hynny'n lotiau llai yn swnio'n syml iawn, ond mae'n cael effaith enfawr, ac mae'n caniatáu i gwmnïau, yn ariannol ac yn ymarferol, i gael—. Yn aml, yr un cwmnïau sy'n cyflawni'r prosiect beth bynnag, ond nawr rydych chi'n tynnu haen allan ac yn cadw'r holl werth hwnnw yng Nghymru. Rwy'n credu bod rhan ohono hefyd yn ymwneud â hyfforddi cwmnïau nad ydynt o bosibl wedi bod yn rhan o ymarferion caffael ar raddfa fwy ac a allai fod â pheth ofn neu betruster ynglŷn â gwneud hynny, felly gweithio gyda nhw mewn cyd-destun gwahanol. Rwy'n mynd i ymarfer caffael yng ngogledd Cymru mewn perthynas â phrosiect Wylfa. Yr un math o ddull gweithredu ydyw: sut i gael busnesau bach a chanolig Cymru, y bydd llawer ohonynt heb feddwl am gynnig eu hunain erioed, i ddeall, 'Edrychwch, nid oes dim i boeni yn ei gylch; proses yw hi. Mae gennych chi'r sgiliau, mae gennych chi'r capasiti, gallwch ddarparu'r cynnyrch, ar gost is mewn llawer o achosion; rhaid i chi gael hyder i gynnig eich hunain, dyna i gyd.' 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780496 74 Cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy B Y Sector Amddiffyn The Defence Sector 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780497 75 Cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy O 12154 12154 Catherine Cullen AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12154 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12154 Cullen, Catherine 6. Pa gamau y mae'r Gweinidog Cabinet yn eu cymryd i sicrhau bod grantiau yn y sector amddiffyn yn cael eu cyflwyno mewn modd amserol? OQ64756 6. What action is the Cabinet Minister taking to ensure that grants in the defence sector are delivered in a timely manner? OQ64756 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780498 76 Cy 2026-10-21T14:13:06 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=2588&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=2588&l=en 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 5030 5030 Adam Price AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5030 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5030 Price, Adam Rydym ni wedi ymrwymo i sicrhau bod cymorth i'r sector amddiffyn yn cael ei ystyried mewn ffordd amserol a chymesur. Tra bod y fframwaith buddsoddi moesegol mewn amddiffyn yn cael ei ddatblygu, mae trefniadau interim ar waith i alluogi penderfyniadau brys i gael eu gwneud pan fo angen. We are committed to ensuring that support for the defence sector is considered in a timely and proportionate way. Whilst the defence ethical investment framework is being developed, interim arrangements are in place to enable urgent decisions to be taken where required. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780502 77 En 2026-10-21T14:13:24 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=2606&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=2606&l=cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 12154 12154 Catherine Cullen AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12154 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12154 Cullen, Catherine Diolch. Earlier this year, I visited PMB Battery Technologies, a cutting-edge research and manufacturing company that operates facilities in Ebbw Vale and in Adelaide, Australia. This is a company specialising in advanced battery technology, and a great benefit to the local economy and the people it employs. That day, I met directly with apprentices at the company, young people from Ebbw Vale and the local area, fresh out of education, now in high-skilled and well-paid, meaningful employment. This is exactly the sort of industry we need to attract to deprived areas like Blaenau Gwent, which suffer with high levels of people, especially young people, classified as NEET, not in employment, education or training. Companies like this rely on Government grants to expand their operations in Wales and ensure that old and outdated facilities meet the needs of modern research and manufacturing. So, what steps is the Government taking to ensure that competitive modern industries are kept in Wales, grants are timely, and that they are not pushed to relocate elsewhere? Diolch. Yn gynharach eleni, ymwelais â PMB Battery Technologies, cwmni ymchwil a gweithgynhyrchu arloesol sy'n gweithredu cyfleusterau yng Nglynebwy ac yn Adelaide, Awstralia. Mae hwn yn gwmni sy'n arbenigo mewn uwch-dechnoleg batri, ac o fudd mawr i'r economi leol a'r bobl y mae'n eu cyflogi. Y diwrnod hwnnw, cyfarfûm yn uniongyrchol â phrentisiaid yn y cwmni, pobl ifanc o Lynebwy a'r ardal leol, a oedd newydd adael addysg, a bellach mewn swydd fedrus werth chweil ar gyflog da. Dyma'r union fath o ddiwydiant y mae angen inni ei ddenu i ardaloedd difreintiedig fel Blaenau Gwent, sy'n dioddef gyda lefelau uchel o bobl, yn enwedig pobl ifanc, wedi'u categoreiddio'n NEET, nad ydynt mewn cyflogaeth, addysg na hyfforddiant. Mae cwmnïau fel hyn yn dibynnu ar grantiau'r Llywodraeth i ehangu eu gweithgarwch yng Nghymru a sicrhau bod hen gyfleusterau sydd wedi dyddio'n diwallu anghenion ymchwil a gweithgynhyrchu modern. Felly, pa gamau y mae'r Llywodraeth yn eu cymryd i sicrhau bod diwydiannau modern cystadleuol yn cael eu cadw yng Nghymru, fod grantiau'n amserol, ac nad ydynt yn cael eu gwthio i adleoli yn rhywle arall? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780504 78 En 2026-10-21T14:14:26 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=2668&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=2668&l=cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 5030 5030 Adam Price AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5030 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5030 Price, Adam I'm grateful to the Member, not least for giving an example of the very phenomenon that I was referring to in response to a colleague earlier, that these high-tech companies can find very, very successful bases in all parts of Wales, including in the northern Valleys. We are committed to doing whatever we can in every sector, but in this sector as well, to support the creation of high-tech jobs. Where decisions are time critical, as I've said on a number of occasions, we've created a route for those decisions to be made exceptionally, before the framework is published and shared with the Senedd. Rwy'n ddiolchgar i'r Aelod, yn enwedig am roi enghraifft o'r union ffenomen yr oeddwn yn cyfeirio ati mewn ymateb i gyd-Aelod yn gynharach, y gall y cwmnïau uwch-dechnoleg hyn ddod o hyd i safleoedd llwyddiannus iawn ym mhob rhan o Gymru, gan gynnwys y Cymoedd gogleddol. Rydym wedi ymrwymo i wneud yr hyn a allwn ym mhob sector, ond yn y sector hwn hefyd, i gefnogi creu swyddi uwch-dechnoleg. Lle mae gofyn gwneud penderfyniadau'n amserol, fel y dywedais ar sawl achlysur, rydym wedi creu llwybr i'r penderfyniadau hynny gael eu gwneud ar sail eithriadol, cyn i'r fframwaith gael ei gyhoeddi a'i rannu gyda'r Senedd. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780487 79 En 2026-10-21T14:15:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=2702&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=2702&l=cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780489 80 En 2026-10-21T14:15:20 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=2722&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=2722&l=cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780517 81 Cy 2026-10-21T00:00:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=-48598&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=-48598&l=en 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780518 82 Cy 2026-10-21T14:18:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=2882&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=2882&l=en 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780519 83 Cy 2026-10-21T14:18:09 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=2891&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=2891&l=en 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780522 84 Cy 2026-10-21T00:00:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=-48598&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=-48598&l=en 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780495 85 Cy 2026-10-21T14:15:16 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=2718&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=2718&l=en 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry A'r cwestiwn olaf, Weinidog, cwestiwn 7, Becca Martin. And the final question, Minister, question 7, Becca Martin. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780491 86 Cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy B Deallusrwydd Artiffisial Artificial Intelligence 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780492 87 Cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy O 12184 12184 Becca Martin AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12184 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12184 Martin, Becca 7. Pa waith y mae'r Gweinidog Cabinet yn ei wneud i sicrhau bod deallusrwydd artiffisial yn cael ei fabwysiadu'n foesegol yng Nghymru? OQ64785 7. What work is the Cabinet Minister undertaking to ensure the ethical adoption of AI in Wales? OQ64785 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780493 88 Cy 2026-10-21T14:15:28 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=2730&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=2730&l=en 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 5030 5030 Adam Price AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5030 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5030 Price, Adam Rydyn ni’n gweithio ar draws y Llywodraeth a chyda gwasanaethau cyhoeddus, busnesau a phartneriaid i gefnogi'r broses o fabwysiadu AI yn ddiogel, yn dryloyw ac yn atebol. Mae hyn yn cynnwys cryfhau sgiliau, caffael cyfrifol, technoleg Gymraeg a'r sylfeini digidol ehangach sydd eu hangen i sicrhau bod AI yn darparu gwerth cyhoeddus ac o fudd i gymunedau ledled Cymru. We are working across Government and with public services, businesses and partners to support the safe, transparent and accountable adoption of AI. This includes strengthening skills, responsible procurement, Welsh language technology and the wider digital foundations needed to ensure AI delivers public value and benefits communities across Wales. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780505 89 En 2026-10-21T14:15:54 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=2756&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=2756&l=cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 12184 12184 Becca Martin AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12184 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12184 Martin, Becca Diolch. AI-driven automation is having a growing impact on the labour market and especially on entry-level employment and on workplace learning, and is widening already existing inequalities. Young people at the start of their careers are particularly vulnerable to things like job displacement and a lack of fair access to opportunities and face the collapse of those traditional pathways that let graduates and early-career workers gain that essential experience in learning. I know we did touch on this earlier, but what measures is the Cabinet Minister taking to establish clear frameworks for the responsible, ethical and transparent use of AI when it comes to employment, and what is being done to protect and help workers to adapt to changing role requirements and the changing jobs market? Diolch. Mae awtomeiddio wedi'i yrru gan ddeallusrwydd artiffisial yn cael effaith gynyddol ar y farchnad lafur ac yn enwedig ar gyflogaeth lefel mynediad ac ar ddysgu yn y gweithle, ac mae'n ehangu anghydraddoldebau sydd eisoes yn bodoli. Mae pobl ifanc ar ddechrau eu gyrfaoedd yn arbennig o agored i bethau fel dadleoli swyddi a diffyg mynediad teg at gyfleoedd ac yn wynebu methiant y llwybrau traddodiadol sy'n caniatáu i raddedigion a gweithwyr gyrfa gynnar gael profiad dysgu hanfodol. Rwy'n gwybod ein bod wedi cyffwrdd â hyn yn gynharach, ond pa fesurau y mae'r Gweinidog Cabinet yn eu cymryd i sefydlu fframweithiau clir ar gyfer y defnydd cyfrifol, moesegol a thryloyw o ddeallusrwydd artiffisial mewn cyflogaeth, a beth sy'n cael ei wneud i ddiogelu a helpu gweithwyr i addasu i ofynion rôl sy'n newid a marchnad swyddi sy'n newid? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780507 90 En 2026-10-21T14:16:37 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=2799&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=2799&l=cy 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 5030 5030 Adam Price AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5030 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5030 Price, Adam The Member raises a really important point. AI must be adopted, in our view, in a way that is fair, transparent and doesn't deepen inequalities. Our approach is rooted in social partnership. Guidance, which has been developed with trade unions and public sector employees, puts worker voice, fair work and human oversight at the heart of workplace AI. We're drawing up a national AI governance framework to provide clear guardrails around accountability, transparency, fairness and risk, and we're still working out, as I said earlier, what the full impacts are on overall employment. We recognise, though, that AI is changing the skills employers need, and the concerns that I referenced earlier in terms of entry-level roles and traditional routes into work. That's why we're working with employers, with trade unions, with education providers, first of all to understand how AI is changing recruitment, training and workplace learning, while investing, crucially, in digital and AI skills through personal learning accounts and our AI skills pilot. Mae'r Aelod yn codi pwynt pwysig iawn. Yn ein barn ni, rhaid mabwysiadu deallusrwydd artiffisial mewn ffordd sy'n deg, yn dryloyw ac nad yw'n dyfnhau anghydraddoldebau. Mae ein dull o weithredu wedi'i wreiddio mewn partneriaeth gymdeithasol. Mae canllawiau, a ddatblygwyd gydag undebau llafur a gweithwyr y sector cyhoeddus, yn rhoi llais gweithwyr, gwaith teg a goruchwyliaeth ddynol wrth wraidd deallusrwydd artiffisial yn y gweithle. Rydym yn llunio fframwaith llywodraethu cenedlaethol ar gyfer deallusrwydd artiffisial i ddarparu canllawiau clir ynghylch atebolrwydd, tryloywder, tegwch a risg, ac rydym yn dal i ystyried, fel y dywedais yn gynharach, beth yw'r effeithiau llawn ar gyflogaeth yn gyffredinol. Rydym yn cydnabod, fodd bynnag, fod deallusrwydd artiffisial yn newid y sgiliau sydd eu hangen ar gyflogwyr, a'r pryderon y cyfeiriais atynt yn gynharach o ran rolau lefel mynediad a llwybrau traddodiadol i mewn i waith. Dyna pam ein bod ni'n gweithio gyda chyflogwyr, gydag undebau llafur, gyda darparwyr addysg, yn gyntaf oll i ddeall sut y mae deallusrwydd artiffisial yn newid recriwtio, hyfforddiant a dysgu yn y gweithle, gan fuddsoddi ar yr un pryd, yn hollbwysig, mewn sgiliau digidol a deallusrwydd artiffisial trwy gyfrifon dysgu personol a'n cynllun peilot sgiliau deallusrwydd artiffisial. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780511 91 Cy 2026-10-21T14:17:51 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=2873&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=2873&l=en 261021-2 1. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Fenter, Cysylltedd ac Ynni 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Diolch yn fawr iawn i chi, Weinidog. Thank you very much, Minister. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780515 92 Cy 2026-10-21T14:17:54 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=2876&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=2876&l=en 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Eitem 2, cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a'r Gymraeg. Cwestiwn 1, Darren Millar. Item 2, questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language. Question 1, Darren Millar. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780523 93 Cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language B Deilliannau Addysgol Educational Outcomes 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780524 94 Cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language O 171 171 Darren Millar AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=171 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=171 Leader of the Welsh Conservatives Arweinydd y Ceidwadwyr Cymreig Millar, Darren 1. Pa gamau y mae Llywodraeth Cymru yn eu cymryd i wella deilliannau addysgol dysgwyr? OQ64729 1. What action is the Welsh Government taking to improve educational outcomes for learners? OQ64729 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780552 95 Cy 2026-10-21T14:18:09 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=2891&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=2891&l=en 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 12145 12145 Anna Brychan AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12145 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12145 Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language Y Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg Brychan, Anna Diolch yn fawr am y cwestiwn. Thank you for the question. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780525 96 En 2026-10-21T14:18:12 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=2894&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=2894&l=cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 12145 12145 Anna Brychan AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12145 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12145 Brychan, Anna My priority is high standards and high aspirations for every learner. That is why this Government has worked at pace to develop the 'Foundational literacy and numeracy plan'. The plan sets out a clear and ambitious programme of action to raise literacy and numeracy outcomes throughout this Senedd term and is our first step in delivering sustained improvements in educational outcomes for all learners in Wales. Fy mlaenoriaeth yw safonau uchel a dyheadau uchel i bob dysgwr. Dyna pam y mae'r Llywodraeth hon wedi gweithio'n gyflym i ddatblygu'r 'Cynllun llythrennedd a rhifedd sylfaenol'. Mae'r cynllun yn nodi rhaglen weithredu glir ac uchelgeisiol i godi canlyniadau llythrennedd a rhifedd drwy gydol tymor y Senedd hon a dyma ein cam cyntaf tuag at gyflawni gwelliannau parhaus yng nghanlyniadau addysgol pob dysgwr yng Nghymru. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780528 97 En 2026-10-21T14:18:39 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=2921&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=2921&l=cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 171 171 Darren Millar AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=171 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=171 Millar, Darren Thank you for that answer, Cabinet Minister, but there's a clear link also between attendance and educational outcomes, and we know we've got a huge attendance problem in Wales, with over 100,000 pupils every year missing at least 10 per cent of their lessons in the last year for which we have figures. In fact, the attendance records that have been provisionally published for 2025-26 suggest that this attendance problem is actually getting worse, not getting better. There's been a fall in the average attendance to just under 91 per cent in 2025-26. What action is your Welsh Government taking to address these appalling figures—which seem to be on the slide, not getting any better—and why is it that we have such a persistent attendance problem when other parts of the UK seem to be getting their act together and getting kids back into school? Diolch am yr ateb hwnnw, Weinidog Cabinet, ond mae cysylltiad clir hefyd rhwng presenoldeb a chanlyniadau addysgol, ac rydym yn gwybod bod gennym broblem enfawr gyda phresenoldeb yng Nghymru, gyda dros 100,000 o ddisgyblion bob blwyddyn yn colli o leiaf 10 y cant o'u gwersi yn y flwyddyn ddiwethaf y mae gennym ffigurau ar ei chyfer. Mewn gwirionedd, mae'r cofnodion presenoldeb sydd wedi'u cyhoeddi dros dro ar gyfer 2025-26 yn awgrymu bod problem presenoldeb yn gwaethygu mewn gwirionedd, nid yn gwella. Bu gostyngiad yn y presenoldeb cyfartalog i ychydig o dan 91 y cant yn 2025-26. Pa gamau y mae eich Llywodraeth Cymru yn eu cymryd i fynd i'r afael â'r ffigurau ofnadwy hyn—sy'n ymddangos fel pe baent yn llithro, nid yn gwella—a pham y mae gennym broblem presenoldeb mor barhaus pan fo'n ymddangos bod rhannau eraill o'r DU yn llwyddo i gael plant yn ôl i'r ysgol? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780612 98 En 2026-10-21T14:19:39 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=2981&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=2981&l=cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 332 332 Mike Hedges AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=332 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=332 Hedges, Mike It's because they have a Labour Government.  Am fod ganddynt Lywodraeth Lafur. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780530 99 En 2026-10-21T14:19:41 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=2983&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=2983&l=cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 12145 12145 Anna Brychan AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12145 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12145 Brychan, Anna I think that's pushing it rather at this point, but thank you for the contribution. Of course, this is an important area for us. There has been, you're quite right, a slight reduction on the latest figures, and there are a number of actions we are taking to tackle that. We are aware that school attendance has gone up again incrementally post COVID but is nowhere near the rate pre COVID. We're also aware that the cohort we are now targeting is likely to require a considerable focus and probably considerable support to push that figure higher.  One of the things we have included in our literacy and numeracy foundational plan is targets on attendance. You will see a 0.5 per cent increase year on year to bring that level up. There's also a focus on persistent absence, which is missing 10 per cent or more of school sessions. A 2 per cent increase year on year is what we expect there. There are a number of other areas we are focusing on. You will have heard me speak about the national framework on behaviour, attendance and well-being we are now bringing together, in the recognition that no single intervention, albeit we have targets now too, will address those persistent absence problems. They are often complex issues and do require tailored support, which is why we are looking at this framework in the round and making swift progress on introducing that. Another thing we have done is to look in more detail—. Because often what we find is that reliable, consistent data across Wales is sometimes hard to find, so we've published new school attendance code guidance to give us that greater consistency in recording absence across Wales, to help us to target our work around this area to make a difference and to increase those figures over time. Because I agree with you: you need to be at school to benefit from the education system. It is very much a focus for us. Diolch. Rwy'n credu bod hynny'n ymestyn pethau braidd ar y pwynt hwn, ond diolch am y cyfraniad. Wrth gwrs, mae hwn yn faes pwysig i ni. Rydych chi'n hollol iawn, fe fu gostyngiad bach yn y ffigurau diweddaraf, ac mae nifer o gamau rydym yn eu cymryd i fynd i'r afael â hynny. Rydym yn ymwybodol fod presenoldeb ysgol wedi codi eto'n raddol ar ôl COVID ond nid yw'n agos at y gyfradd cyn COVID. Rydym hefyd yn ymwybodol fod y garfan rydym yn ei thargedu nawr yn debygol o fod angen ffocws sylweddol a chefnogaeth sylweddol yn ôl pob tebyg i wthio'r ffigur hwnnw'n uwch. Un o'r pethau rydym wedi'u cynnwys yn ein cynllun llythrennedd a rhifedd sylfaenol yw targedau ar bresenoldeb. Fe welwch gynnydd o 0.5 y cant o un flwyddyn i'r llall i godi'r lefel honno. Mae yna ffocws hefyd ar absenoldeb parhaus, sef colli 10 y cant neu fwy o sesiynau ysgol. Cynnydd o 2 y cant o un flwyddyn i'r llall yw'r hyn rydym yn ei ddisgwyl yno. Mae yna nifer o feysydd eraill rydym canolbwyntio arnynt. Fe fyddwch wedi fy nghlywed yn siarad am y fframwaith cenedlaethol ar ymddygiad, presenoldeb a llesiant yr ydym bellach yn ei lunio, gan gydnabod na fydd unrhyw ymyrraeth unigol ynddi'i hun, er bod gennym dargedau nawr, yn datrys y problemau absenoldeb parhaus hynny. Maent yn aml yn faterion cymhleth ac mae angen cymorth wedi'i deilwra, a dyna pam ein bod ni'n edrych ar y fframwaith hwn yn ei gyfanrwydd ac yn gwneud cynnydd cyflym ar ei gyflwyno. Peth arall a wnaethom yw edrych yn fwy manwl—. Oherwydd yn aml fe welwn fod data dibynadwy, cyson ledled Cymru weithiau'n anodd ei ganfod, felly rydym wedi cyhoeddi canllawiau newydd ar y cod presenoldeb ysgol i'w gwneud hi'n bosibl cofnodi absenoldeb yn fwy cyson ledled Cymru, i'n helpu i dargedu ein gwaith yn y maes hwn i wneud gwahaniaeth ac i gynyddu'r ffigurau hynny dros amser. Oherwydd rwy'n cytuno â chi: mae angen i chi fod yn yr ysgol i allu elwa o'r system addysg. Mae'n ffocws pwysig iawn i ni. Diolch. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780494 100 En 2026-10-21T14:20:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=3002&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=3002&l=cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780535 101 En 2026-10-21T14:24:59 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=3301&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=3301&l=cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780521 102 En 2026-10-21T14:21:59 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=3121&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=3121&l=cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 12183 12183 Tom Montgomery AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12183 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12183 Montomery, Tom Can I start by declaring an interest? My wife works in an additional learning needs provision within a school in Conwy. I thank the leader of the Welsh Conservatives for bringing this question forward. Minister, I was speaking to a teacher in Rhyl, and it was explained to me that the school in which that teacher worked can't afford pens or pencils, and staff are currently using their own money to buy learning resources. It's no surprise, then, that the Institute for Fiscal Studies has claimed that students in that local authority area are up to 23 months behind the national average. As we are seeing a shift towards greater school-level flexibility on learning approaches and a more interlinked learning approach, researchers from Cardiff University have warned that schools need significant investment in materials and learning resources to avoid the widening of educational outcome gaps between different parts of Wales. How can we expect teachers in my constituency to achieve the best outcomes for students when their schools can't even afford pens and pencils? Diolch. A gaf i ddechrau trwy ddatgan buddiant? Mae fy ngwraig yn gweithio mewn darpariaeth anghenion dysgu ychwanegol mewn ysgol yng Nghonwy. Diolch i arweinydd y Ceidwadwyr Cymreig am gyflwyno'r cwestiwn hwn. Weinidog, roeddwn i'n siarad ag athro yn y Rhyl, ac eglurwyd i mi nad yw'r ysgol lle roedd yr athro hwnnw'n gweithio yn gallu fforddio ysgrifbinnau na phensiliau, ac mae staff ar hyn o bryd yn defnyddio eu harian eu hunain i brynu adnoddau dysgu. Nid yw'n syndod, felly, fod y Sefydliad Astudiaethau Cyllidol wedi honni bod myfyrwyr yn ardal yr awdurdod lleol hwnnw hyd at 23 mis ar ei hôl hi o gymharu â'r cyfartaledd cenedlaethol. Wrth inni weld newid tuag at fwy o hyblygrwydd ar lefel ysgol ynghylch dulliau dysgu a dull dysgu mwy cydgysylltiedig, mae ymchwilwyr o Brifysgol Caerdydd wedi rhybuddio bod angen buddsoddiad sylweddol ar ysgolion mewn deunyddiau ac adnoddau dysgu er mwyn osgoi ehangu bylchau mewn canlyniadau addysgol rhwng gwahanol rannau o Gymru. Sut y gallwn ni ddisgwyl i athrawon yn fy etholaeth i gyflawni'r canlyniadau gorau i fyfyrwyr pan nad yw eu hysgolion yn gallu fforddio ysgrifbinnau a phensiliau hyd yn oed? Diolch. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780526 103 En 2026-10-21T14:23:02 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=3184&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=3184&l=cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 12145 12145 Anna Brychan AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12145 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12145 Brychan, Anna Obviously, funding for schools is a priority for us, which is why we were pleased last week, or was it the week before, that the supplementary budget did go through, with that £60 million earmarked for pressures in schools linked to ALN, but a recognition that schools and the education system is under pressure across Wales. On the points you make about those flexibilities locally, I would refer you back again to the foundational literacy and numeracy plan, because that will show us, on a national and a local level, the direction we're going in. It will make it easier for us to align the support appropriately in different areas and different schools in Wales in order to make that progress. I've also announced an intention to conduct a targeted review of the curriculum to make sure that we can have a better understanding and provide better advice to schools about some of the areas we expect learners to have access to. Yn amlwg, mae cyllid ar gyfer ysgolion yn flaenoriaeth i ni, a dyna pam ein bod ni'n falch yr wythnos diwethaf, neu'r wythnos flaenorol, fod y gyllideb atodol wedi mynd drwodd, gyda £60 miliwn wedi'i glustnodi ar gyfer pwysau mewn ysgolion sy'n gysylltiedig ag ADY, ond gan gydnabod bod ysgolion a'r system addysg dan bwysau ledled Cymru. Ar y pwyntiau rydych chi'n eu gwneud am hyblygrwydd lleol, carwn eich cyfeirio'n ôl eto at y cynllun llythrennedd a rhifedd sylfaenol, oherwydd bydd hwnnw'n dangos i ni, ar lefel genedlaethol a lleol, i ba gyfeiriad rydym ni'n mynd. Bydd yn ei gwneud hi'n haws inni alinio'r gefnogaeth yn briodol mewn gwahanol ardaloedd ac ysgolion gwahanol yng Nghymru er mwyn gwneud y cynnydd hwnnw. Rwyf hefyd wedi cyhoeddi bwriad i gynnal adolygiad wedi'i dargedu o'r cwricwlwm i wneud yn siŵr y gallwn gael gwell dealltwriaeth a rhoi gwell cyngor i ysgolion am rai o'r meysydd y disgwyliwn i ddysgwyr gael mynediad atynt. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780529 104 Cy 2026-10-21T14:24:07 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=3249&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=3249&l=en 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 330 330 Sera Evans AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=330 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=330 Evans, Sera Weinidog, rydym yn gwybod bod gweithlu addysg sy'n cael ei gefnogi a'i werthfawrogi yn hanfodol er mwyn codi safonau a gwella canlyniadau ein dysgwyr. Felly, rwy'n croesawu’r dyfarniad cyflog o 3.5 y cant, sydd wedi'i ariannu'n llawn ac yn sicrhau cydraddoldeb â Lloegr, yn ogystal â'r buddsoddiad ychwanegol rŷch chi newydd sôn amdano fe i leddfu'r pwysau sy'n gysylltiedig ag ADY. Mae ASCL Cymru, sydd hefyd yn cynrychioli arweinwyr ysgolion, wedi derbyn y dyfarniad cyflog o 3.5 y cant. A yw'r Gweinidog yn cytuno gyda fi ei bod hi er budd staff ysgolion a disgyblion fel ei gilydd i'r rheini sydd yn parhau mewn anghydfod i ymgysylltu'n adeiladol â'r cynigion hyn a cheisio dod o hyd i ddatrysiad heb weithredu diwydiannol? Diolch. Cabinet Minister, we know that an education workforce that is supported and valued is essential for raising standards and improving outcomes for our learners. Therefore, I welcome the 3.5 per cent pay award, which is fully funded and ensures parity with England, as well as the additional investment that you've just mentioned to alleviate pressures associated with ALN. ASCL Cymru, which also represents school leaders, has accepted the 3.5 per cent pay award. Does the Minister agree that it is in the interests of both school staff and pupils for those who remain in dispute to engage constructively with these proposals and seek to find a resolution without resorting to industrial action? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780512 105 Cy 2026-10-21T14:25:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=3302&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=3302&l=en 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 12145 12145 Anna Brychan AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12145 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12145 Brychan, Anna Diolch yn fawr. Mae gweithio yn agos gyda'r gweithlu i sicrhau eu bod nhw'n cael eu talu a'u cefnogi yn ddigonol ar gyfer y gwaith pwysig maen nhw'n ei wneud yn flaenoriaeth greiddiol i fi. Rwy'n ddiolchgar iawn am y gwaith mae ASCL wedi ei wneud gyda ni, er enghraifft i symud ymlaen y ddadl ehangach ynglŷn ag ariannu ysgolion. Pan ddes i i fy swydd ym mis Mai, roedd yna drafodaethau manwl yn y cyfnod hwnnw er hwyluso cael yr un math o ddyfarniad o ran codiad cyflog i athrawon yng Nghymru o'i gymharu â Lloegr, ac roedd hwnna'n ofyn pendant gan yr undebau.  Rwyf wastad yn agored i siarad gydag unrhyw un ar sut rŷm ni'n symud y ddadl yma ymlaen ynglŷn â chefnogaeth addas i'r gweithlu, ac rwy'n benodol yn frwd iawn i drafod baich gwaith a'r moddion y gallwn eu rhoi yn eu lle er lleihau y faich honno. Dwi'n gweld nad yw arweinydd yr wrthblaid yma heddiw. Dwi wedi cael sgyrsiau gyda hi, a phob athro neu athrawes rwyf wedi cwrdd â nhw ers 20 mlynedd, yn trafod, yn benodol, baich gwaith. Mae angen symud y ddadl honno yn ei blaen, ac rwy'n barod i siarad ag unrhyw un sydd â syniadau grymus er hwyluso'r drafodaeth honno. Mae'r drws bob amser yn agored.   Thank you very much. Working closely with the workforce and ensuring that they are paid and supported adequately in the important work that they do is a core priority of mine. I'm very grateful for the work that ASCL has done with us, for example to move on the broader debate on school funding. When I came into my role in May, there were detailed discussions at that point in order to facilitate getting the same kind of pay award for teachers in Wales as compared to England, and that was a very firm ask from the unions. I'm always open to speaking to anyone as to how we move this debate forward in terms of appropriate support for the workforce, and I'm particularly eager to discuss workload and what we can put in place in order to reduce that burden. I see that the leader of the opposition isn't here today. I've had conversations with her, and every teacher that I've met over a period of 20 years, discussing workload specifically. We need to move that debate forward, and I'm willing to speak to anyone who has forceful ideas as to how we can make that progress. My door is always open. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780540 106 Cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language B Addysg Bellach Further Education 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780541 107 Cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language O 332 332 Mike Hedges AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=332 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=332 Hedges, Mike 2. Beth mae Llywodraeth Cymru yn ei wneud i wella'r ddarpariaeth addysg bellach yn Abertawe? OQ64724 2. What is the Welsh Government doing to improve further education provision in Swansea? OQ64724 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780542 108 En 2026-10-21T14:26:34 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=3396&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=3396&l=cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 8643 8643 Cefin Campbell AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8643 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8643 Deputy Minister for Skills and Tertiary Education Y Dirprwy Weinidog Sgiliau ac Addysg Drydyddol Campbell, Cefin Thank you for the question. We are investing more than £26 million through the Sustainable Communities for Learning programme to deliver modern, high-quality further education facilities across Swansea. This includes the refurbishment of Gower College Swansea’s Tycoch campus and the redevelopment of Ysgol Gyfun Gymraeg Bryn Tawe for both secondary and further education learners. Diolch am y cwestiwn. Rydym yn buddsoddi mwy na £26 miliwn drwy'r rhaglen Cymunedau Dysgu Cynaliadwy i ddarparu cyfleusterau addysg bellach modern o ansawdd uchel ledled Abertawe. Mae hyn yn cynnwys adnewyddu campws Tŷ Coch Coleg Gŵyr Abertawe ac ailddatblygu Ysgol Gyfun Gymraeg Bryn Tawe ar gyfer dysgwyr addysg uwchradd ac addysg bellach. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780548 109 En 2026-10-21T14:26:58 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=3420&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=3420&l=cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 332 332 Mike Hedges AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=332 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=332 Hedges, Mike Can I thank the Minister for that reply? Perhaps I ought to say that I used to be a governor at Tycoch and my grandchild goes to Bryn Tawe, so I've got an interest, though not necessarily a financial one. I thought I'd bring that up for the record. One of the issues I think we are all in agreement on is that we do not want young people at 16 to become not in education, employment or training. That means we must have adequate availability of courses in the further education sector. If young people do not continue in education or training at 16, then many will face a life of unemployment. Getting them at 18 to go back into taking up a course is going to be very difficult. Gower College Swansea is doing its best to provide opportunities. I really would like to commend them, and I hope the Minister will as well. Gower College has over-recruited against the numbers funded, but they still have a waiting list for some areas. Will the Minister commit to funding further education so that there is a place in college for every young person who wants it in Swansea, so that we don't have people sitting at home who want to be learning? A gaf i ddiolch i'r Gweinidog am yr ateb hwnnw? Efallai y dylwn ddweud fy mod i'n arfer bod yn llywodraethwr yn Nhŷ Coch ac mae fy ŵyr yn mynd i Fryn Tawe, felly mae gennyf fuddiant, er nad un ariannol o reidrwydd. Roeddwn i'n meddwl y dylwn godi hynny ar gyfer y cofnod. Un o'r materion y credaf ein bod ni i gyd yn cytuno yn ei gylch yw nad ydym am i bobl ifanc 16 oed beidio â bod mewn addysg, cyflogaeth na hyfforddiant. Mae hynny'n golygu bod rhaid inni gael digon o gyrsiau ar gael yn y sector addysg bellach. Os nad yw pobl ifanc yn parhau mewn addysg neu hyfforddiant yn 16 oed, bydd llawer yn wynebu bywyd o ddiweithdra. Mae eu cael i fynd yn ôl yn 18 oed i ddilyn cwrs yn mynd i fod yn anodd iawn. Mae Coleg Gŵyr Abertawe yn gwneud ei orau i ddarparu cyfleoedd. Hoffwn eu canmol yn fawr, ac rwy'n gobeithio y bydd y Gweinidog yn gwneud hynny hefyd. Mae Coleg Gŵyr wedi gor-recriwtio yn erbyn y niferoedd a ariannwyd, ond mae'n dal i fod ganddynt restr aros ar gyfer rhai meysydd. A wnaiff y Gweinidog ymrwymo i ariannu addysg bellach er mwyn rhoi lle mewn coleg i bob unigolyn ifanc sydd ei eisiau yn Abertawe, fel nad oes gennym bobl yn eistedd gartref sydd eisiau dysgu? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780555 110 En 2026-10-21T14:28:03 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=3485&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=3485&l=cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 8643 8643 Cefin Campbell AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8643 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8643 Campbell, Cefin There are two points there, Mike. The first one is around NEETs. This is an area of great concern for me and the Government. We know the NEET cohort in Wales is increasing. Roughly 17 per cent of the 16 to 24-year-old age group are NEET. That's clearly not where we want to be. We have to put interventions in place to stop them becoming NEET. That takes different approaches. The Alan Milburn report showed that about 70 per cent of those who are NEET are economically inactive—that is, they are not ready for work. That is because they have several barriers in their own personal lives that stop them becoming employable. That could be around mental health issues, it could be additional learning needs, it could be childcare, transport, disabilities, and so on. I am going to lead an inter-ministerial group of people to look at the NEETs agenda and how we can bring different policy areas to play, which would obviously involve health, social services, transport and so on. So, that's the first part. The second part is ensuring that no young person will be turned away from the course that they want to study. I am increasingly aware of the significant increases in learner numbers in FE in recent years, and I recognise that that adds funding challenges to FE colleges. I am committed to reviewing that increased level of participation and the financial pressures over the next month, as we have final figures coming through. We will consider providing additional funding over and above what Medr have already provided, £6.25 million, should that money be available, given the budgetary constraints that we are under. Mae dau bwynt yno, Mike. Mae'r un cyntaf yn ymwneud â phobl ifanc NEET. Mae hwn yn faes sy'n peri pryder mawr i mi a'r Llywodraeth. Rydym yn gwybod bod y garfan NEET yng Nghymru yn cynyddu. Mae tua 17 y cant o'r grŵp oedran 16 i 24 oed yn NEET. Yn amlwg, nid dyna lle rydym eisiau bod. Rhaid inni roi ymyriadau ar waith i'w hatal rhag dod yn NEET. Geilw hynny am wahanol ddulliau o weithredu. Dangosodd adroddiad Alan Milburn fod tua 70 y cant o'r rhai sy'n NEET yn economaidd anweithgar—hynny yw, nid ydynt yn barod ar gyfer gwaith. Mae hynny oherwydd bod ganddynt sawl rhwystr yn eu bywydau personol sy'n eu hatal rhag bod yn gyflogadwy. Efallai fod hynny'n ymwneud â materion iechyd meddwl, gallai fod yn anghenion dysgu ychwanegol, gallai fod yn ofal plant, trafnidiaeth, anableddau, ac yn y blaen. Rwy'n mynd i arwain grŵp rhyngweinidogol i edrych ar yr agenda NEET a sut y gallwn ddod â gwahanol feysydd polisi'n weithredol, a fyddai'n amlwg yn cynnwys iechyd, gwasanaethau cymdeithasol, trafnidiaeth ac yn y blaen. Felly, dyna'r rhan gyntaf. Yr ail ran yw sicrhau na fydd unrhyw berson ifanc yn cael ei wrthod rhag dilyn y cwrs y maent am ei astudio. Rwy'n fwyfwy ymwybodol o'r cynnydd sylweddol yn niferoedd y dysgwyr mewn addysg bellach yn y blynyddoedd diwethaf, ac rwy'n cydnabod bod hynny'n ychwanegu heriau ariannu i golegau addysg bellach. Rwy'n ymrwymedig i adolygu'r lefel uwch honno o gyfranogiad a'r pwysau ariannol dros y mis nesaf, wrth i ffigurau terfynol ddod drwodd. Byddwn yn ystyried darparu cyllid ychwanegol yn ogystal â'r hyn y mae Medr eisoes wedi'i ddarparu, £6.25 miliwn, os bydd yr arian hwnnw ar gael, o ystyried y cyfyngiadau cyllidebol sydd arnom. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780531 111 En 2026-10-21T14:30:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=3602&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=3602&l=cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780534 112 En 2026-10-21T14:30:14 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=3616&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=3616&l=cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 12191 12191 Steven Rodaway AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12191 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12191 Rodaway, Steven Thank you, Mike, for the question. Improving further education in Swansea must mean providing the skills local industry needs. Employers need courses shaped around their businesses, reliable partnerships with colleges and practical help. For a small business, taking on an apprentice requires a financial and resource-heavy commitment. Announcing an audit does nothing on its own to meet these costs. Since your Government took office, another group of young people have left school hoping to secure an apprenticeship and employment. Employers need immediate funding. Your manifesto promises better use of existing city and regional growth deal funding to support apprenticeships. Your Government is happy to waste our money to fund international projects like tree planting in Uganda, but it seems Welsh employers are being left to shoulder apprenticeship costs. These are our young people, they are our future. What new funding has Plaid made available to help businesses, particularly smaller employers, take on apprentices?  Diolch am eich cwestiwn, Mike. Rhaid i wella addysg bellach yn Abertawe olygu darparu'r sgiliau sydd eu hangen ar ddiwydiant lleol. Mae angen cyrsiau ar gyflogwyr sydd wedi'u llunio o amgylch eu busnesau, partneriaethau dibynadwy â cholegau a chymorth ymarferol. I fusnes bach, mae cyflogi prentis yn golygu ymrwymiad ariannol a llawer o adnoddau. Nid yw cyhoeddi archwiliad yn gwneud unrhyw beth ynddo'i hun i dalu'r costau hyn. Ers i'ch Llywodraeth ddod i rym, mae grŵp arall o bobl ifanc wedi gadael ysgol gan obeithio sicrhau prentisiaeth a chyflogaeth. Mae angen cyllid ar gyflogwyr ar unwaith. Mae eich maniffesto yn addo gwell defnydd o gyllid bargeinion dinesig a thwf sy'n bodoli'n barod i gefnogi prentisiaethau. Mae eich Llywodraeth yn fwy na pharod i wastraffu ein harian i ariannu prosiectau rhyngwladol fel plannu coed yn Uganda, ond ymddengys bod cyflogwyr Cymru’n cael eu gadael i ysgwyddo costau prentisiaethau. Ein pobl ifanc ni yw'r rhain, nhw yw ein dyfodol. Pa gyllid newydd y mae Plaid Cymru wedi'i ddarparu i helpu busnesau, yn enwedig cyflogwyr llai o faint, i gyflogi prentisiaid? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780536 113 En 2026-10-21T14:31:12 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=3674&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=3674&l=cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 8643 8643 Cefin Campbell AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8643 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8643 Campbell, Cefin I'll deal with the main and the most important parts of that question, if I may. If I can refer back to a skills summit we organised on 8 October in the Swansea.com Stadium, for the first time ever we brought employers, small and medium-sized and large companies together with education providers. It was a hugely successful event, where employers were telling us that they need to forge a better relationship with apprenticeship providers and vocational skills providers. Employers know what the emerging sectors are. They know what skills they need for the future. So, we need to develop a mechanism where they are telling providers what they need and that we match them both together. Now, I heard my colleague the Minister for enterprise explain earlier on that we need to create more demand as well. And you heard him explain how we are going to do that through setting up a Welsh development agency and other programmes as well to support industry and SMEs to take on more apprenticeships. I believe that apprenticeships are a great pathway into work and into further and higher education as well. You can earn and learn at the same time. So, we are committed to supporting the apprenticeship scheme, and we will be working with employers to make sure that what they need, in terms of the skills level, matches what education providers can put on in FE colleges, universities and also through apprenticeship schemes. Fe ddeliaf â phrif rannau pwysicaf y cwestiwn hwnnw, os caf. Os caf gyfeirio'n ôl at uwchgynhadledd sgiliau a drefnwyd gennym ar 8 Hydref yn Stadiwm Swansea.com, am y tro cyntaf erioed, daethom â chyflogwyr, cwmnïau bach a chanolig a chwmnïau mawr ynghyd â darparwyr addysg. Roedd yn ddigwyddiad hynod lwyddiannus, lle dywedodd cyflogwyr wrthym fod angen iddynt feithrin perthynas well â darparwyr prentisiaethau a darparwyr sgiliau galwedigaethol. Mae cyflogwyr yn gwybod beth yw'r sectorau datblygol. Maent yn gwybod pa sgiliau sydd eu hangen arnynt ar gyfer y dyfodol. Felly, mae angen inni ddatblygu mecanwaith lle maent yn dweud wrth ddarparwyr beth sydd ei angen arnynt a'n bod yn eu paru gyda'i gilydd. Nawr, clywais fy nghyd-Aelod, y Gweinidog dros fenter, yn esbonio yn gynharach fod angen inni greu mwy o alw hefyd. Ac fe'i clywsoch yn esbonio sut y gwnawn hynny drwy sefydlu awdurdod datblygu Cymru a rhaglenni eraill hefyd i gefnogi diwydiant a busnesau bach a chanolig i gyflogi mwy o brentisiaid. Rwy'n credu bod prentisiaethau yn llwybr gwych i mewn i waith ac i addysg bellach ac addysg uwch hefyd. Gallwch ennill arian a dysgu ar yr un pryd. Felly, rydym wedi ymrwymo i gefnogi'r cynllun prentisiaethau, a byddwn yn gweithio gyda chyflogwyr i sicrhau bod yr hyn sydd ei angen arnynt, o ran y lefel sgiliau, yn cyfateb i'r hyn y gall darparwyr addysg ei gynnig mewn colegau addysg bellach, prifysgolion a hefyd drwy gynlluniau prentisiaeth. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780723 114 Cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language B Cwestiynau Heb Rybudd gan Lefarwyr y Pleidiau Questions Without Notice from Party Spokespeople 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780543 115 Cy 2026-10-21T14:33:03 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=3785&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=3785&l=en 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Galwaf yn awr ar lefarwyr y pleidiau i holi'r Gweinidog Cabinet. Llefarydd Reform UK, Stephen Senior. I now call on the party spokespeople to question the Cabinet Minister. Reform UK spokesperson, Stephen Senior.  16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780546 116 En 2026-10-21T14:33:11 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=3793&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=3793&l=cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 12160 12160 Stephen Senior AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12160 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12160 Senior, Stephen Thank you, Deputy Presiding Officer. Cabinet Minister, additional learning needs funding remains a contentious issue, with a debate scheduled next month in response to a petition. ALN funding by the Welsh Government is up 14 per cent on last year, and has more than doubled in eight years. Inflation over that period has been around 35 per cent. The percentage of the education budget assigned to ALN has risen from just below 15 per cent to nearly 19 per cent over the same period. At local authority level, there have been huge variations, with increases over the last decade ranging from 65 per cent to 297 per cent. One authority now spends more than a quarter of its education budget on ALN. These figures suggest that there has been a rapid change within Welsh education. Whatever is happening looks unsustainable in terms of funding. Minister, what are your thoughts on the reasons for this ALN spending trajectory? Diolch, Ddirprwy Lywydd. Weinidog Cabinet, mae cyllid anghenion dysgu ychwanegol yn parhau i fod yn fater dadleuol, gyda dadl wedi'i threfnu ar gyfer y mis nesaf mewn ymateb i ddeiseb. Mae cyllid ADY gan Lywodraeth Cymru 14 y cant yn uwch o gymharu â'r llynedd, ac mae wedi mwy na dyblu mewn wyth mlynedd. Mae chwyddiant dros y cyfnod hwnnw wedi bod oddeutu 35 y cant. Mae canran y gyllideb addysg a neilltuwyd i ADY wedi codi o ychydig o dan 15 y cant i bron i 19 y cant dros yr un cyfnod. Ar lefel awdurdodau lleol, bu amrywiadau enfawr, gyda chynnydd dros y degawd diwethaf yn amrywio o 65 y cant i 297 y cant. Mae un awdurdod bellach yn gwario mwy na chwarter ei gyllideb addysg ar ADY. Mae'r ffigurau hyn yn awgrymu bod newid cyflym wedi bod mewn addysg yng Nghymru. Mae beth bynnag sy'n digwydd yn edrych yn anghynaliadwy o ran cyllid. Weinidog, beth yw eich barn chi am y rhesymau dros y trywydd gwariant hwn mewn perthynas ag ADY? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780545 117 En 2026-10-21T14:34:15 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=3857&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=3857&l=cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 12145 12145 Anna Brychan AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12145 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12145 Brychan, Anna Diolch yn fawr. Thank you for the question. I think we are dealing with two issues simultaneously here. I mentioned earlier on that I was pleased that £60 million had gone into the system this year, as a result of the supplementary budget, to support with immediate pressures. But you are quite right, in the longer term we need to arrive at a system that is more sustainable and is inclusive of the learners in Wales. I think every jurisdiction everywhere over a time, and particularly post COVID, has been dealing with increasingly complex demand from children and families trying to negotiate a range of issues that their learners are facing. The education system, arguably, experiences changes in society faster than most of us sitting here and probably most of our services as well. So, we have made an effort now to focus on the sustainability of the ALN system over time. You will have seen that a proportion of what was agreed last week has been allocated specifically for that purpose, and we will work now quickly with local authorities and other partners to work our way to a more sustainable system over time. We need this to be a coherent continuum, we need it to be of high quality, we need it to be inclusive, with—and this is the crucial part I think—clearer national expectations of what this system should look like, stronger mainstream capacity, which in turn comes with demand for support, obviously. One of the first steps is to understand in detail, with all our partners, what an inclusive system looks like and plot our way from here to that system and this commitment—. There is a great willingness amongst all our partners to work on this and we will do so with speed. Diolch yn fawr am eich cwestiwn. Rwy'n credu ein bod yn delio â dau fater ar yr un pryd yma. Soniais yn gynharach fy mod yn falch fod £60 miliwn wedi mynd i mewn i'r system eleni, o ganlyniad i'r gyllideb atodol, i gynorthwyo gyda phwysau uniongyrchol. Ond rydych chi'n llygad eich lle fod angen inni weithio yn y tymor hwy tuag at system sy'n fwy cynaliadwy ac sy'n gynhwysol i ddysgwyr yng Nghymru. Rwy'n credu bod pob awdurdodaeth ym mhobman wedi bod yn delio ers peth amser, ac yn enwedig ar ôl COVID, â galw mwy a mwy cymhleth gan blant a theuluoedd sy'n ceisio delio ag ystod o faterion y mae eu dysgwyr yn eu hwynebu. Gellid dadlau bod y system addysg yn profi newidiadau yn y gymdeithas yn gyflymach na'r rhan fwyaf ohonom sy'n eistedd yma a'r rhan fwyaf o'n gwasanaethau hefyd yn ôl pob tebyg. Felly, rydym wedi gwneud ymdrech nawr i ganolbwyntio ar gynaliadwyedd y system ADY dros amser. Byddwch wedi gweld bod cyfran o'r hyn a gytunwyd yr wythnos diwethaf wedi'i ddyrannu'n benodol at y diben hwnnw, a byddwn yn gweithio'n gyflym nawr gydag awdurdodau lleol a phartneriaid eraill i weithio tuag at system fwy cynaliadwy dros amser. Mae angen i hyn fod yn gontinwwm cydlynol, mae angen iddo fod o ansawdd uchel, mae angen iddo fod yn gynhwysol, gyda—a dyma'r rhan allweddol, yn fy marn i—disgwyliadau cenedlaethol cliriach o sut y dylai'r system hon edrych, capasiti cryfach i addysg brif ffrwd, sydd yn ei dro yn cynyddu'r galw am gymorth, yn amlwg. Un o'r camau cyntaf yw deall yn fanwl, gyda'n holl bartneriaid, sut olwg sydd ar system gynhwysol a chynllunio ein ffordd o fan hyn tuag at y system honno a'r ymrwymiad hwn. Mae llawer o barodrwydd ymhlith ein holl bartneriaid i weithio ar hyn, a byddwn yn gwneud hynny'n gyflym. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780516 118 En 2026-10-21T14:35:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=3902&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=3902&l=cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780533 119 En 2026-10-21T14:36:16 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=3978&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=3978&l=cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 12160 12160 Stephen Senior AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12160 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12160 Senior, Stephen Okay, thank you, Minister. I see that later on there's a question regarding teachers leaving the profession. Surveys show that poor pupil behaviour is a factor. However, Plaid's recent programme for government, whilst acknowledging workload concerns, makes no mention of behaviour. Staff working in schools have a legal right to use reasonable force to control or restrain pupils. Welsh Government guidance explicitly states that no school should have a 'no physical contact' policy. However, there are still occasions when school staff face lengthy investigations and possible suspension for having operated within the law. This can have a devastating impact on both them and pupil behaviour in the school, whenever staff, unsurprisingly, decide that no physical intervention is their best policy. Minister, will you ask your officials to establish whether schools are advising staff on their legal right to use reasonable force and whether disciplinary processes are being initiated despite staff having operated within the law?  Iawn, diolch, Weinidog. Rwy'n gweld bod cwestiwn yn nes ymlaen ynglŷn ag athrawon yn gadael y proffesiwn. Mae arolygon yn dangos bod ymddygiad gwael gan ddisgyblion yn ffactor. Fodd bynnag, er bod rhaglen lywodraethu ddiweddar Plaid Cymru yn cydnabod pryderon ynghylch llwyth gwaith, nid yw'n sôn am ymddygiad. Mae gan staff sy'n gweithio mewn ysgolion hawl gyfreithiol i ddefnyddio grym rhesymol i reoli neu ffrwyno disgyblion. Mae canllawiau Llywodraeth Cymru yn nodi'n benodol na ddylai fod gan unrhyw ysgol bolisi 'dim cyswllt corfforol'. Fodd bynnag, mae achosion o hyd o staff ysgolion yn wynebu ymchwiliadau hirfaith a gwaharddiadau posibl am weithredu o fewn y gyfraith. Gall hyn gael effaith ddinistriol arnynt hwy ac ar ymddygiad disgyblion yn yr ysgol, pryd bynnag y bydd staff, heb fawr o syndod, yn penderfynu mai dim ymyrraeth gorfforol yw eu polisi gorau. Weinidog, a wnewch chi ofyn i'ch swyddogion sefydlu a yw ysgolion yn cynghori staff ar eu hawl gyfreithiol i ddefnyddio grym rhesymol ac a yw prosesau disgyblu'n cael eu cychwyn er bod staff wedi gweithredu o fewn y gyfraith? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780539 120 En 2026-10-21T14:37:26 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=4048&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=4048&l=cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 12145 12145 Anna Brychan AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12145 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12145 Brychan, Anna It is obviously important that staff feel safe at school and are able to operate appropriately. It is clear that staff may use reasonable force where necessary to prevent harm, an offence, damage to property or serious disruption, but that intervention must necessarily, and I think we'd all agree on this, be proportionate and use the minimum force required. And it should never be used as a punishment. I think we can all agree on those principles. If there are examples, individual examples, that you have, then I would be glad to look at them. But we are clear that that is the environment in which our workforce is working. It is also our expectation that restrictive practices are a last resort. And to go back to your first point around behaviour, the behaviour and well-being framework is a priority for this Government, and bringing together a greater national consistency around our expectations and around the support that will help the workforce and the learners in turn is a piece of work that is ongoing. Mae'n amlwg yn bwysig fod staff yn teimlo'n ddiogel yn yr ysgol ac yn gallu gweithredu'n briodol. Mae'n glir y gall staff ddefnyddio grym rhesymol lle bo angen i atal niwed, trosedd, difrod i eiddo neu darfu difrifol, ond mae'n rhaid i'r ymyrraeth honno, a chredaf y byddai pob un ohonom yn cytuno ar hyn, fod yn gymesur a defnyddio'r grym lleiaf sydd ei angen. Ac ni ddylid byth ei defnyddio fel cosb. Rwy'n credu y gall pob un ohonom gytuno ar yr egwyddorion hynny. Os oes gennych enghreifftiau, enghreifftiau unigol, yna buaswn yn falch o edrych arnynt. Ond rydym yn glir mai dyna'r amgylchedd y mae ein gweithlu'n gweithio ynddo. Rydym hefyd yn disgwyl mai'r dewis olaf yw arferion cyfyngol. Ac i fynd yn ôl at eich pwynt cyntaf ynghylch ymddygiad, mae'r fframwaith ymddygiad a lles yn flaenoriaeth i'r Llywodraeth hon, ac mae cywain mwy o gysondeb cenedlaethol ynghylch ein disgwyliadau ac ynghylch y cymorth a fydd yn helpu'r gweithlu a'r dysgwyr yn eu tro yn waith sy'n parhau. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780547 121 En 2026-10-21T14:38:42 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=4124&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=4124&l=cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 12160 12160 Stephen Senior AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12160 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12160 Senior, Stephen Okay, thank you, Minister. Finally, the national literacy and numeracy assessments are online and personalised to each pupil. So, they're rather like a flow chart, where the next question depends on the answers to the last one. These tests can be taken whenever the school feels it's appropriate. Pupils can take time out during the assessments, and pupils are permitted to repeat the exercise any time. This is not a standardised test where all pupils in a cohort take the same test at the same time of the year so that judgments can be made about pupil and school standards, including progress. This is what the tests were originally designed to do when Leighton Andrews introduced them, and that is what happened when the tests were introduced in 2014. This adaptive system, as it's called, has been in place for a decade, but has clearly not led to any improvements in the Programme for International Student Assessment results. Minister, will you reintroduce standardised literacy and numeracy tests to be used by all pupils annually at the end of year 2 to year 9? Iawn, diolch, Weinidog. Yn olaf, mae'r asesiadau llythrennedd a rhifedd cenedlaethol ar waith ac wedi'u personoli i bob disgybl. Felly, maent yn debyg i siart lif, lle mae'r cwestiwn nesaf yn dibynnu ar yr atebion i'r un diwethaf. Gellir sefyll y profion hyn pryd bynnag y mae'r ysgol yn teimlo ei bod yn briodol. Gall disgyblion gymryd seibiant yn ystod yr asesiadau, a chaniateir i ddisgyblion ailadrodd yr ymarfer unrhyw bryd. Nid prawf safonol yw hwn lle mae pob disgybl mewn carfan yn sefyll yr un prawf ar yr un adeg o'r flwyddyn fel y gellir asesu safonau disgyblion ac ysgolion, gan gynnwys cynnydd. Dyma y cynlluniwyd y profion i'w wneud yn wreiddiol pan gawsant eu cyflwyno gan Leighton Andrews, a dyna a ddigwyddodd pan gyflwynwyd y profion yn 2014. Mae'r system ymaddasol hon, fel y'i gelwir, wedi bod ar waith ers degawd, ond yn amlwg, nid yw wedi arwain at unrhyw welliannau yng nghanlyniadau'r Rhaglen Ryngwladol Asesu Myfyrwyr. Weinidog, a wnewch chi ailgyflwyno profion llythrennedd a rhifedd safonol i'w defnyddio gan bob disgybl yn flynyddol ar ddiwedd blwyddyn 2 i flwyddyn 9? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780554 122 En 2026-10-21T14:39:49 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=4191&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=4191&l=cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 12145 12145 Anna Brychan AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12145 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12145 Brychan, Anna Thank you. These are adaptive tests. The idea is that the learner engages with them, and it helps to indicate what the next steps in their development should be. That's how they've been constructed to operate. We can use the data more broadly that this system gives us, to give us an indicator at year 6, which is what we're doing as part of this plan, and which gives us a place go to, then, as a national trajectory of improvement, and also to make sure that we can align the support available appropriately for those schools and for those learners.  I'm not going to go back to the future. I am, however, going to have, during this Senedd term, a clearer expectation that we can communicate effectively to learners and to schools.  Diolch. Mae'r rhain yn brofion ymaddasol. Y syniad yw bod y dysgwr yn ymgysylltu â nhw, ac mae hynny'n helpu i nodi beth ddylai'r camau nesaf yn eu datblygiad fod. Dyna sut y cawsant eu llunio i weithredu. Gallwn ddefnyddio'r data y mae'r system hon yn ei roi i ni yn ehangach, i roi dangosydd i ni ym mlwyddyn 6, sef yr hyn a wnawn yn rhan o'r cynllun hwn, ac sy'n rhoi lle i ni fynd, felly, fel trywydd gwelliant cenedlaethol, ac i sicrhau y gallwn alinio'r cymorth sydd ar gael yn briodol ar gyfer yr ysgolion a'r dysgwyr hynny. Nid wyf am fynd yn ôl i'r dyfodol. Fodd bynnag, yn ystod tymor y Senedd hon, bydd gennyf ddisgwyliad cliriach y gallwn ei gyfathrebu'n effeithiol i ddysgwyr ac ysgolion. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780532 123 En 2026-10-21T14:40:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=4202&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=4202&l=cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780537 124 Cy 2026-10-21T14:40:39 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=4241&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=4241&l=en 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Llefarydd Llafur Cymru, Lynne Neagle. Welsh Labour spokesperson, Lynne Neagle.  16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780538 125 En 2026-10-21T14:40:43 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=4245&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=4245&l=cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 174 174 Lynne Neagle AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=174 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=174 Neagle, Lynne Thank you. Last week, as we've heard from Sera Evans, you announced a teacher pay award of 3.5 per cent following the consultation on the independent Welsh pay review body report. That announcement was made during an active industrial dispute, and the National Association of Head Teachers have now withdrawn from talks with the Government and announced that they are moving to a statutory industrial ballot.  Why did you make that announcement while talks were ongoing, and do you think that is in keeping with the principles of social partnership? Diolch. Yr wythnos diwethaf, fel y clywsom gan Sera Evans, fe gyhoeddoch chi godiad cyflog o 3.5 y cant i athrawon yn dilyn yr ymgynghoriad ar adroddiad corff adolygu cyflogau annibynnol Cymru. Gwnaed y cyhoeddiad hwnnw yn ystod anghydfod diwydiannol gweithredol, ac mae Cymdeithas Genedlaethol y Prifathrawon bellach wedi tynnu'n ôl o drafodaethau gyda'r Llywodraeth ac wedi cyhoeddi y byddant yn cynnal pleidlais ddiwydiannol statudol. Pam y gwnaethoch chi'r cyhoeddiad hwnnw tra bod y trafodaethau’n mynd rhagddynt, ac a ydych chi'n credu bod hynny’n gydnaws ag egwyddorion partneriaeth gymdeithasol? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780544 126 En 2026-10-21T14:41:22 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=4284&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=4284&l=cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 12145 12145 Anna Brychan AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12145 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12145 Brychan, Anna Thank you. I think, as I said in my earlier answer, I remain committed to the social partnership, and I'm always willing to talk to those social partners on issues that we have in common as concerns.  I announced that fully funded pay award last week, following that consultation, because I wanted to respect the principle of no detriment, so that there'd be no difference between the pay increases here and those over the border in England. I know this has been a continuing debate over many years, to ensure that we remain in that alignment. I think the previous education Minister will also be aware of the financial environment, and the budgetary environment we are now in, and I judged, at this point, that 4.25 per cent was not affordable when we consider the other priorities of this Government, and Wales more broadly, around, particularly, health service demand—the national health service—and other priorities that this Government is committed to. The 3.5 per cent was important to me. It was important to most partners. But I remain committed to talking to anybody who wishes to examine areas of mutual interest and concern.  Diolch. Fel y dywedais yn fy ateb cynharach, rwy'n parhau i fod yn ymrwymedig i'r bartneriaeth gymdeithasol, ac rwyf bob amser yn barod i siarad â'r partneriaid cymdeithasol hynny ar faterion sydd gennym yn gyffredin. Cyhoeddais y dyfarniad cyflog wedi'i ariannu'n llawn yr wythnos diwethaf, yn dilyn yr ymgynghoriad hwnnw, am fy mod i eisiau parchu egwyddor dim niwed, fel na fyddai unrhyw wahaniaeth rhwng y codiadau cyflog yma a'r rhai dros y ffin yn Lloegr. Gwn fod hon wedi bod yn ddadl barhaus ers blynyddoedd, er mwyn sicrhau ein bod yn parhau i fod wedi ein halinio. Rwy'n credu y bydd y Gweinidog addysg blaenorol hefyd yn ymwybodol o'r amgylchedd ariannol, a'r amgylchedd cyllidebol rydym ynddo nawr, a bernais, ar hyn o bryd, nad oedd 4.25 y cant yn fforddiadwy pan ystyriwn flaenoriaethau eraill y Llywodraeth hon, a Chymru yn ehangach, ynghylch y galw, yn benodol, ar y gwasanaeth iechyd—y gwasanaeth iechyd gwladol—a blaenoriaethau eraill y mae'r Llywodraeth hon wedi ymrwymo iddynt. Roedd y ffigur o 3.5 y cant yn bwysig i mi. Roedd yn bwysig i'r rhan fwyaf o bartneriaid. Ond rwy'n parhau i fod wedi ymrwymo i siarad ag unrhyw un sy'n dymuno archwilio meysydd o ddiddordeb a phryder cyffredin. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780553 127 En 2026-10-21T14:42:58 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=4380&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=4380&l=cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 174 174 Lynne Neagle AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=174 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=174 Neagle, Lynne Well, thank you for that answer, and I'm fully in support of no detriment myself. And I do understand the financial constraints, but would point out that the Government still has a significant amount of unallocated resource as a result of the consequentials that were received by the UK Government.  So, since May, we've had an industrial dispute with the Association of School and College Leaders, an escalating dispute with the National Association of Head Teachers, and the National Education Union have previously gone out to indicative ballot. I hear what you're saying about being willing to talk to partners, but it doesn't seem to me like those talks are going as well as we would want them to go, really. So, in light of that, what are you going to do to get social partnership with the education trade unions back on line? Wel, diolch am eich ateb, ac rwy'n llwyr gefnogi'r egwyddor dim niwed fy hun. Ac rwy'n deall y cyfyngiadau ariannol, ond hoffwn nodi bod gan y Llywodraeth lawer iawn o arian heb ei ddyrannu o hyd o ganlyniad i'r cyllid canlyniadol a ddaeth i law gan Lywodraeth y DU. Felly, ers mis Mai, rydym wedi cael anghydfod diwydiannol gyda'r Gymdeithas Arweinwyr Ysgolion a Cholegau, anghydfod sy'n dwysáu gyda Chymdeithas Genedlaethol y Prifathrawon, ac mae'r Undeb Addysg Cenedlaethol wedi cynnal pleidlais ddangosol yn y gorffennol. Rwy'n clywed yr hyn a ddywedwch am fod yn barod i siarad â phartneriaid, ond nid yw'n ymddangos i mi fod y sgyrsiau hynny'n mynd cystal ag y byddem eisiau iddynt fynd mewn gwirionedd. Felly, yng ngoleuni hynny, beth ydych chi'n mynd i'w wneud i adfer y bartneriaeth gymdeithasol gyda'r undebau addysg? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780556 128 En 2026-10-21T14:43:58 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=4440&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=4440&l=cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 12145 12145 Anna Brychan AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12145 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12145 Brychan, Anna I think that the judgment on where each of these parties is depends, rather, on who you talk to at this point. I think we have, for example, had very helpful and fruitful discussions with ASCL, in particular, around some of these elements.  The social partnership—I've been part of arrangements like this for many years—is very important to me. And it is a place where some of these pressing issues that the workforce has been calling for action on for many, many years—. It is a good place to resolve them, particularly on ALN, particularly on workload, recruitment, retention, behaviour, attendance—all these things that are very important to everybody who works in our schools and has an association with them.  All of those issues, I am entirely open to engaging on them. But I would repeat my first point around the salary increases—the pay increases—that 3.5 per cent was as far as I felt able to go. But I am and remain committed to discussing any and all other issues. Rwy'n credu bod y farn ynglŷn â ble mae pob un o'r partïon hyn yn dibynnu i raddau ar bwy rydych yn siarad â nhw ar hyn o bryd. Rwy'n credu er enghraifft ein bod wedi cael trafodaethau defnyddiol a ffrwythlon iawn gyda'r Gymdeithas Arweinwyr Ysgolion a Cholegau, yn enwedig, ynglŷn â rhai o'r elfennau hyn. Mae'r bartneriaeth gymdeithasol—rwyf wedi bod yn rhan o drefniadau fel hyn ers blynyddoedd lawer—yn bwysig iawn i mi. Ac mae'n fan lle mae rhai o'r materion dybryd hyn y mae'r gweithlu wedi bod yn galw am weithredu arnynt ers blynyddoedd lawer—. Mae'n lle da i'w datrys, yn enwedig o ran ADY, yn enwedig o ran llwyth gwaith, recriwtio, cadw staff, ymddygiad, presenoldeb—yr holl bethau hyn sy'n bwysig iawn i bawb sy'n gweithio yn ein hysgolion ac sydd â chysylltiad â nhw. Rwy’n gwbl agored i ymgysylltu ar bob un o'r materion hynny. Ond rwyf am ailadrodd fy mhwynt cyntaf ynglŷn â'r codiadau tâl—y codiadau cyflog—mai 3.5 y cant oedd yr uchaf y teimlwn y gallwn fynd. Ond rwyf wedi ymrwymo ac yn parhau i fod wedi ymrwymo i drafod unrhyw faterion eraill. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780557 129 En 2026-10-21T14:45:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=4502&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=4502&l=cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780558 130 Cy 2026-10-21T14:45:15 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=4517&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=4517&l=en 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Llefarydd y Ceidwadwyr Cymreig, Paul Davies. The Welsh Conservatives' spokesperson, Paul Davies. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780559 131 Cy 2026-10-21T14:45:17 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=4519&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=4519&l=en 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 145 145 Paul Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=145 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=145 Davies, Paul Diolch, Ddirprwy Lywydd. Cyn i mi ofyn fy nghwestiynau, hoffwn gofnodi fy niolch i Efa Gruffudd Jones am ei gwaith fel Comisiynydd y Gymraeg. Mae hi wedi bod yn eiriolwr cadarn dros yr iaith Gymraeg, a dwi'n dymuno'n dda iddi ar gyfer y dyfodol. Weinidog, mae adroddiad y Comisiwn Cymunedau Cymraeg, 'Cyrraedd pob cymuned, cryfhau'r Gymraeg', yn nodi y dylid ystyried gweithleoedd yn fannau allweddol ar gyfer defnyddio'r Gymraeg, ac mae'r adroddiad yn gwneud cyfres o argymhellion sydd â'r nod o gynyddu'r defnydd o'r Gymraeg yn y mannau yma. Pa gynnydd y mae Llywodraeth Cymru wedi ei wneud o ran gweithredu'r argymhellion hynny, a pha dystiolaeth sydd gyda chi fod mwy o bobl yn defnyddio'r Gymraeg yn rheolaidd yn eu gweithleoedd o ganlyniad i hynny? Thank you, Dirprwy Lywydd. Before I ask my questions, I would like to put on record my thanks to Efa Gruffudd Jones for her work as Welsh Language Commissioner. She's been a robust advocate for the Welsh language, and I wish her well for the future. Minister, the report of the Commission for Welsh-speaking Communities, 'Cymraeg in every community, strengthening the Welsh language', notes that workplaces should be considered as key locations for use of the Welsh language, and the report makes a series of recommendations with the aim of increasing the use of the Welsh language in those settings. What progress has the Welsh Government made in terms of implementing those recommendations, and what evidence do you have that more people are using the Welsh language regularly in their workplaces as a result of that? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780564 132 Cy 2026-10-21T14:46:07 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=4569&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=4569&l=en 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 12145 12145 Anna Brychan AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12145 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12145 Brychan, Anna Diolch yn fawr am y cwestiwn. Hoffwn i ategu fy niolch innau hefyd i Gomisiynydd y Gymraeg am ei gwaith hithau. Mi fyddwn ni, ym mis Rhagfyr, yn cyhoeddi ymgynghoriad ar strategaeth y Gymraeg, Deddf y Gymraeg ac Addysg (Cymru) 2025, a'r cod ar y gallu i siarad Cymraeg. Byddwn i'n gofyn i chi edrych ar y pwynt hwnnw ar yr hyn rŷn ni'n ei gyhoeddi achos byddwn ni'n dangos y taflwybr i sicrhau bod defnydd o'r Gymraeg, mynediad at y Gymraeg, Cymraeg yn ein cadarnleoedd, Cymraeg yn ein hysgolion ni, yn clymu at ei gilydd i un strategaeth gydlynus, yn seiliedig ar y cysyniad bod y Gymraeg yn perthyn i ni i gyd. Yn y cyd-destun hwnnw, byddwn ni'n dangos siẁd rydyn ni'n mynd i gyrraedd y nodau priodol o ran y cyfleoedd hyn, gan gynnwys y gweithle. Mi fydd yna fanylder yn dangos y ffordd ymlaen, yn cynnwys, felly, dargedau mwy penodol. Thank you very much for the question. I would like to add my thanks as well to the Welsh Language Commissioner for her work. We will, in December, be publishing a consultation on the Welsh language strategy, the Welsh Language and Education (Wales) Act 2025, and the Welsh language proficiency code. I would ask you to look at that point at what we will publish, because we will indicate what the trajectory is to ensure that the use of the Welsh language, access to the Welsh language, the Welsh language in our heartlands, the Welsh language in our schools, all tie together under one co-ordinated strategy that will be based on the concept that the Welsh language belongs to us all. In that context, we will show how we will reach those particular goals in terms of those opportunities, including the workplace. There will be detail showing that trajectory, including, therefore, more specific targets. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780575 133 Cy 2026-10-21T14:47:23 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=4645&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=4645&l=en 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 145 145 Paul Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=145 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=145 Davies, Paul Dwi'n diolch i chi am yr ymateb yna. Dwi'n edrych ymlaen i'r cyhoeddiad hynny ym mis Rhagfyr. Nawr, daeth y comisiwn i'r casgliad hefyd nad yw'r gyllideb bresennol ar gyfer cryfhau'r Gymraeg ar lefel gymunedol yn ddigonol, a thynnodd sylw at yr angen am fwy o gefnogaeth i helpu sefydliadau i ddatblygu gweithleoedd lle siaredir y Gymraeg. Galwodd hefyd am adolygiad o'r modd y gellir defnyddio cyllid cyhoeddus a mecanweithiau cymorth i hyrwyddo nodau 'Cymraeg 2050'. Yn sgil hynny, a allwch chi ddweud wrthym ni ba gyllid sydd ar gael ar hyn o bryd i gefnogi defnyddio'r Gymraeg mewn gweithleoedd ledled Cymru, ac a allwch chi ddweud a ydych chi'n credu bod y lefel bresennol o fuddsoddiad yn ddigonol i gyflawni'r newidiadau diwylliannol a sefydliadol y mae'r comisiwn yn eu rhagweld yn ei adroddiad? I thank you for that response. I look forward to seeing that publication in December. Now, the commission also came to the conclusion that the current budget for strengthening the Welsh language at community level was not sufficient, and it highlighted the need for greater support to help organisations to develop workplaces where the Welsh language is spoken. It also called for a review of the way in which public funding and support mechanisms can be used to support the aims of 'Cymraeg 2050'. In light of that, can you tell us what funding is currently available to support the use of the Welsh language in workplaces across Wales, and can you tell us whether you think that the current level of investment is adequate to deliver the cultural shifts that the commission anticipates in its report? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780586 134 Cy 2026-10-21T14:48:20 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=4702&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=4702&l=en 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 12145 12145 Anna Brychan AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12145 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12145 Brychan, Anna Efallai y bydd angen i fi ysgrifennu atoch chi gyda manylder y cwestiwn cyntaf. Ond ar yr hyn a fydd yn ofynnol er mwyn gwireddu'r uchelgais yn y strategaeth y byddwn ni yn ei chyhoeddi—byddwn ni'n cyhoeddi ar gyfer ymgynghoriad ym mis Rhagfyr, i mewn i'r flwyddyn nesaf—fel rhan o hynny, er mwyn ei chyflawni hi, mi fyddwn ni'n edrych ar yr hyn sydd ei angen o ran adnoddau i'w gwireddu hi. Bydd y ddau beth yn mynd law yn llaw. Perhaps I'll have to write to you with the detailed response to that first question. But on what will be needed in order to realise the ambition in the strategy that we will publish—it will be published for consultation in December, into next year—as part of that, in order to deliver that, we will be looking at what's needed in terms of resources to deliver it. Both things will go hand in hand. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780592 135 Cy 2026-10-21T14:48:54 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=4736&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=4736&l=en 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Mae cwestiwn 3 [OQ64738] gan Vikki Howells. Yn anffodus, mae'r Aelod wedi'i hoedi ar y ffordd nôl o ddigwyddiad yn Aberfan, felly symudaf ymlaen i gwestiwn 4, Anna Nicholl. Question 3 [OQ64738] is from Vikki Howells. Unfortunately, the Member has been delayed on her way back from an event at Aberfan, so I'll move on to question 4, Anna Nicholl. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780596 136 Cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language B Ysgolion a Gynhelir gan yr Eglwys yng Nghymru Church in Wales Maintained Schools 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780597 137 Cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language O 12178 12178 Anna Nicholl AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12178 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12178 Nicholl, Anna 4. Sut mae'r Gweinidog Cabinet yn sicrhau bod cymunedau'n cael eu cynnwys mewn penderfyniadau ynghylch dyfodol ysgolion a gynhelir gan yr Eglwys yng Nghymru yng Ngheredigion Penfro? OQ64786 4. How is the Cabinet Minister ensuring community involvement in decisions about the future of Church in Wales maintained schools in Ceredigion Penfro? OQ64786 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780599 138 Cy 2026-10-21T14:49:14 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=4756&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=4756&l=en 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 12145 12145 Anna Brychan AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12145 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12145 Brychan, Anna Diolch. Awdurdodau lleol sy'n gyfrifol am benderfyniadau ynghylch dyfodol ysgolion, ac mae'n rhaid iddyn nhw ddilyn gweithdrefnau statudol wrth gyflwyno cynigion. Mae hyn yn cynnwys ymgynghori â chymunedau, darparu digon o wybodaeth i bobl allu dod i farn ddeallus, ymgysylltu â phartneriaid perthnasol, gan gynnwys cyrff crefyddol, a rhoi sylw i ddymuniadau rhieni. Thank you. Local authorities are responsible for decisions on the future of schools, and they must follow statutory procedures when bringing forward proposals. This includes consulting communities, providing sufficient information to enable people to come to informed views, engaging with relevant partners, including religious bodies, and having regard to the wishes of parents. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780606 139 En 2026-10-21T14:49:43 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=4785&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=4785&l=cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 12178 12178 Anna Nicholl AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12178 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12178 Nicholl, Anna Diolch, Cabinet Minister. I'm concerned about the low level of confidence that parents, staff and governors in Pembrokeshire have told me that they have in the council involving them meaningfully in big decisions about the future of their schools. Examples include but are not limited to church schools. I wrote to the council back in September around decisions on the future of Cilgerran school, and I'm glad this is now resolved. But, Cabinet Minister, public trust and confidence is easily lost. As Pembrokeshire County Council now consults on proposals to close Tenby Church in Wales VC Primary School and neighbouring Greenhill school, replacing them with a new three-to-19 community school, can the Cabinet Minister assure us that she expects these decisions to be based on the meaningful involvement of parents and the wider community, including open and transparent information on all options available? Diolch, Weinidog Cabinet. Rwy'n pryderu am y lefel isel o hyder y mae rhieni, staff a llywodraethwyr yn sir Benfro wedi dweud wrthyf sydd ganddynt y bydd y cyngor yn eu cynnwys mewn ffordd ystyrlon mewn penderfyniadau mawr ynghylch dyfodol eu hysgolion. Mae enghreifftiau'n cynnwys, ond heb fod yn gyfyngedig i, ysgolion eglwysig. Ysgrifennais at y cyngor yn ôl ym mis Medi ynghylch penderfyniadau ar ddyfodol ysgol Cilgerran, ac rwy'n falch fod hyn bellach wedi'i ddatrys. Ond Weinidog Cabinet, mae ymddiriedaeth a hyder y cyhoedd yn hawdd eu colli. Wrth i Gyngor Sir Penfro ymgynghori ar gynigion i gau Ysgol Gynradd yr Eglwys yng Nghymru Dinbych-y-Pysgod, sy'n ysgol wirfoddol a gynhelir, ac ysgol gyfagos Greenhill, ac agor ysgol gymunedol newydd i blant tair i 19 oed yn eu lle, a all y Gweinidog Cabinet roi sicrwydd i ni ei bod yn disgwyl i'r penderfyniadau hyn fod yn seiliedig ar gyfranogiad ystyrlon rhieni a'r gymuned ehangach, gan gynnwys gwybodaeth agored a thryloyw am yr holl opsiynau sydd ar gael? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780562 140 En 2026-10-21T14:50:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=4802&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=4802&l=cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780565 141 En 2026-10-21T14:50:37 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=4839&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=4839&l=cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 12145 12145 Anna Brychan AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12145 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12145 Brychan, Anna Diolch. Local authorities are democratically accountable to their communities and are responsible for developing school organisation proposals. In so doing, they must comply with the requirements set out in the School Standards and Organisation (Wales) Act 2013, and the school organisation code, which is quite clear about the processes and involvement that is required in these cases. I do expect all proposers to comply fully with these statutory requirements and to engage openly and meaningfully with all those affected by any proposal. These decisions should be informed by the evidence gathered through consultation and taken in accordance with the legislative framework. You will be aware, because I've said it several times, that the role of Welsh Ministers in the statutory process means that I'm unable to comment on proposals that I may later be required to determine. But, in the context of all decisions, I would expect my first two points to be clear. Diolch. Mae awdurdodau lleol yn atebol yn ddemocrataidd i'w cymunedau ac yn gyfrifol am ddatblygu cynigion trefniadaeth ysgolion. Wrth wneud hynny, rhaid iddynt gydymffurfio â'r gofynion a nodir yn Neddf Safonau a Threfniadaeth Ysgolion (Cymru) 2013, a'r cod trefniadaeth ysgolion, sy'n eithaf clir ynghylch y prosesau a'r cyfranogiad sy'n ofynnol yn yr achosion hyn. Rwy'n disgwyl i bob cynigydd gydymffurfio'n llawn â'r gofynion statudol hyn ac ymgysylltu'n agored ac yn ystyrlon â phawb yr effeithir arnynt gan unrhyw gynnig. Dylai'r penderfyniadau hyn gael eu llywio gan y dystiolaeth a gesglir drwy ymgynghori a'u gwneud yn unol â'r fframwaith deddfwriaethol. Fe fyddwch yn ymwybodol, gan fy mod wedi'i ddweud sawl tro, fod rôl Gweinidogion Cymru yn y broses statudol yn golygu na allaf wneud sylwadau ar gynigion y gallai fod yn ofynnol imi wneud penderfyniad yn eu cylch yn nes ymlaen. Ond yng nghyd-destun pob penderfyniad, buaswn yn disgwyl i fy nau bwynt cyntaf fod yn glir. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780568 142 Cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language B Ysgolion Gwledig Rural Schools 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780569 143 Cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language O 12187 12187 Andrew Griffin AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12187 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12187 Griffin, Andrew 5. Pa asesiad y mae’r Gweinidog Cabinet wedi’i wneud o’r pwysau ariannol sy’n wynebu ysgolion gwledig yng Ngwynedd Maldwyn? OQ64722 5. What assessment has the Cabinet Minister made of the financial pressures facing rural schools in Gwynedd Maldwyn? OQ64722 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780571 144 En 2026-10-21T14:51:58 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=4920&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=4920&l=cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 12145 12145 Anna Brychan AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12145 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12145 Brychan, Anna Thank you. I seem to have lost you in my book. Wait a second. I'm sorry. Diolch. Ymddengys fy mod wedi eich colli yn fy llyfr. Arhoswch eiliad. Mae’n ddrwg gennyf. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780570 145 Cy 2026-10-21T14:52:05 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=4927&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=4927&l=en 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 12145 12145 Anna Brychan AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12145 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12145 Brychan, Anna Rydyn ni'n cydnabod y pwysau sylweddol ar draws ein hysgolion a'n hawdurdodau lleol ni, yn ogystal ag ymrwymiad y gweithlu addysg i barhau i gefnogi dysgwyr. Mae penderfyniadau ynghylch lefel y cyllid sydd ar gael i ysgolion, gan gynnwys ysgolion gwledig, yn cael eu gwneud gan bob awdurdod lleol wrth bennu eu cyllideb gyffredinol. We recognise the significant pressures across our schools and local authorities, and acknowledge the commitment of the education workforce in continuing to support learners. Decisions on the level of funding available to schools, including rural schools, are made by each local authority as part of their overall budget setting. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780576 146 En 2026-10-21T14:52:30 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=4952&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=4952&l=cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 12187 12187 Andrew Griffin AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12187 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12187 Griffin, Andrew Thank you, Cabinet Minister. In Gwynedd Maldwyn, we're already seeing the consequences of the financial pressures on these rural schools. Both Gwynedd and Powys have closed rural primary schools and further closures are being considered or progressed. I understand smaller schools can cost more per pupil to run, but these schools are often at the heart of their communities. When one closes, it's not just the school building that is lost; children may have to travel much further, parents have to reorganise their lives, and villages lose something that is very difficult to replace. And, of course, transporting those children elsewhere comes at a cost as well. So, can I ask the Cabinet Secretary whether the Welsh Government is properly accounting for those wider costs and the impact on rural communities when assessing the funding pressures facing our rural schools? Thank you. Diolch, Weinidog Cabinet. Yng Ngwynedd Maldwyn, rydym eisoes yn gweld canlyniadau'r pwysau ariannol ar yr ysgolion gwledig hyn. Mae Gwynedd a Phowys wedi cau ysgolion cynradd gwledig ac mae cau rhagor dan ystyriaeth neu ar y gweill. Rwy'n deall y gall ysgolion llai gostio mwy i'w rhedeg fesul disgybl, ond mae'r ysgolion hyn yn aml yn hollbwysig i'w cymunedau. Pan fydd un yn cau, nid adeilad yr ysgol yn unig sy'n cael ei golli; efallai y bydd yn rhaid i blant deithio'n llawer pellach, rhaid i rieni ad-drefnu eu bywydau, ac mae pentrefi'n colli rhywbeth y mae'n anodd iawn ei adfer. Ac wrth gwrs, mae cludo'r plant hynny i rywle arall yn costio hefyd. Felly, a gaf i ofyn i Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet a yw Llywodraeth Cymru’n cyfrif y costau ehangach hynny yn iawn a'r effaith ar gymunedau gwledig wrth asesu'r pwysau ariannol sy'n wynebu ein hysgolion gwledig? Diolch. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780582 147 Cy 2026-10-21T14:53:19 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=5001&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=5001&l=en 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 12145 12145 Anna Brychan AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12145 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12145 Brychan, Anna Diolch yn fawr. Rydyn ni'n gwybod yn iawn pa mor bwysig yw ysgolion i'n cymunedau gwledig, ac yng nghyd-destun ysgolion llai, er enghraifft, mae yna ofynion manwl iawn ynglŷn ag ymgynghori ynglŷn ag aildrefnu mewn unrhyw fodd. Mi fydd yr Aelod hefyd yn gwybod bod fy nghydweithiwr y Gweinidog dros ddygnwch gwledig yn edrych ar fesurau i feithrin a gwarchod dygnwch cymunedau gwledig, a bod ystyriaethau ynglŷn â chynnal gwasanaethau gyda phoblogaeth mwy gwasgaredig, er enghraifft, yn rhan o'r ystyriaethau hynny. Dwi'n credu mai'r ateb ehangach yw, o edrych ar y gofynion mewn cymunedau gwledig, fod yna gyfrifoldeb yn ehangach ar draws y Llywodraeth ar gyfer sicrhau ein bod ni'n deall yr heriau penodol yn yr ardaloedd hynny ac yn ymateb yn briodol iddyn nhw. Thank you very much. We understand just how important schools are for our rural communities, and in the context of smaller schools, for example, there are very detailed requirements in relation to consultation on any reorganisation that's proposed. The Member will also be aware that my colleague the Minister for rural resilience is looking at ways of nurturing and protecting the resilience of rural communities, and that considerations on sustaining services with a more dispersed population, for example, are part of those wider considerations. I think that the broader response is that, in looking at the needs of rural communities, there is a broader responsibility across Government in ensuring that we do understand the specific challenges faced by those areas and respond appropriately to them. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780591 148 Cy 2026-10-21T14:54:30 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=5072&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=5072&l=en 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 12186 12186 Beca Brown AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12186 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12186 Brown, Beca Mae heriau ysgolion gwledig fel y rhai yn fy etholaeth i yn symptom o heriau ehangach ein hardaloedd gwledig, gyda'r boblogaeth yn heneiddio, teuluoedd yn symud i ffwrdd, a gwasanaethau llywodraeth leol yn ddrutach i'w rhedeg ac yn anoddach i'w gweithredu. Er mwyn i ysgolion gwledig ffynnu, mae angen swyddi o ansawdd, cartrefi digonol a thrafnidiaeth gyhoeddus effeithiol, a dwi'n falch o weld y Llywodraeth yn gweithredu ar y materion hyn. Os bydd cymunedau gwledig yn ffynnu, yna bydd ysgolion gwledig yn ffynnu. Sut, felly, bydd y cynllun Ysgolion Cymunedol a Mwy yn grymuso’n hysgolion gwledig, yn ogystal â grymuso'r cymunedau maen nhw’n perthyn iddynt? The challenges facing rural schools like those in my constituency are a symptom of the broader challenges facing our rural areas, with an ageing population, families moving away and local authority services that are more expensive to run and more difficult to administer. For rural schools to flourish, we need high-quality jobs, adequate housing and effective public transport, and I'm very pleased to see the Government taking action on these matters. If rural communities prosper, then rural schools will prosper too. How, then, will the Community Schools Plus plan empower our rural schools, as well as empowering the communities to which they belong? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780560 149 Cy 2026-10-21T14:55:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=5102&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=5102&l=en 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780563 150 Cy 2026-10-21T14:55:15 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=5117&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=5117&l=en 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 12145 12145 Anna Brychan AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12145 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12145 Brychan, Anna Diolch yn fawr. Mi fydd yr Aelod efallai'n ymwybodol ein bod ni'n peilota'r cynllun ysgolion hynny ar hyn o bryd i edrych ar ddatblygu ein dealltwriaeth ni o'r heriau sydd yn eu hwynebu nhw, ac yn tynnu, fel roeddwn i'n dweud ynghynt, yr elfennau gwahanol yma o bolisïau at ei gilydd. Mi fydd hi'n ymwybodol hefyd fod trafnidiaeth ysgol yn flaenoriaeth benodol i'r Dirprwy Weinidog dros Drafnidiaeth, bod y Gweinidog dygnwch gwledig yn edrych ar y materion yma hefyd, a fy mod i innau hefyd yn edrych yn gyson ar yr heriau demograffig sydd mynd i effeithio ar sut rŷn ni'n darparu gwasanaethau ac addysg mewn cymunedau cefn gwlad, ac yng Nghymru yn ehangach, i ddweud y gwir. Felly, beth fydden i'n annog yr Aelod i edrych arno fe yw'r gwaith manwl ar draws nifer o feysydd gwahanol rŷn ni'n symud arno fe'n gyflym ac sydd yn bethau sydd yn berthnasol i'r cwestiwn a gododd hi, ond nad sydd o angenrheidrwydd wedi eu hynysu i'r portffolio addysg yn unig, ac rŷn ni wedi mynd ati'n fwriadus i sicrhau nad ydyn ni'n edrych ar y gofynion hyn trwy un lens yn unig. Thank you very much. The Member may be aware that we are currently piloting the Community Schools Plus programme at the moment in order to look at developing our understanding of the challenges facing those schools and, as I said earlier, drawing on those different elements of policies and bringing them together. I am, of course, aware, too, that school transport is a particular priority for the Deputy Minister for Transport, that the Minister for rural resilience is also looking at these issues and I, too, am looking at the demographic challenges that will impact on how we provide services and education, particularly in rural communities and in Wales more broadly, too. So, what I would encourage the Member to look at is the detailed work happening across a number of different areas, which we are progressing quickly, as areas that relate to her question but are not necessarily reserved to the education portfolio, and we have taken meaningful steps to ensure that we don't look at these issues in isolation. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780578 151 Cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language B Dysgwyr sy'n Oedolion Adult Learners 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780579 152 Cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language O 12141 12141 Zaynub Akbar AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12141 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12141 Akbar, Zaynub 6. Beth mae Llywodraeth Cymru yn ei wneud i gefnogi dysgwyr sy'n oedolion sy'n ailhyfforddi ar gyfer gyrfaoedd newydd? OQ64766 6. What is the Welsh Government doing to support adult learners who are retraining for new careers? OQ64766 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780581 153 Cy 2026-10-21T14:56:55 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=5217&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=5217&l=en 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 8643 8643 Cefin Campbell AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8643 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8643 Deputy Minister for Skills and Tertiary Education Y Dirprwy Weinidog Sgiliau ac Addysg Drydyddol Campbell, Cefin Diolch am y cwestiwn. Thank you for the question. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780580 154 En 2026-10-21T14:56:56 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=5218&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=5218&l=cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 8643 8643 Cefin Campbell AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8643 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8643 Campbell, Cefin The Welsh Government is committed to lifelong learning and ensuring that adults can access opportunities to develop new skills, retrain and progress throughout their lives. Through personal learning accounts, employability programmes and further education opportunities, we support adults retraining for new careers to realise their potential and progress into sustainable employment. Mae Llywodraeth Cymru wedi ymrwymo i ddysgu gydol oes a sicrhau y gall oedolion gael mynediad at gyfleoedd i ddatblygu sgiliau newydd, ailhyfforddi a chamu ymlaen drwy gydol eu bywydau. Drwy gyfrifon dysgu personol, rhaglenni cyflogadwyedd a chyfleoedd addysg bellach, rydym yn cefnogi oedolion sy'n ailhyfforddi ar gyfer gyrfaoedd newydd i wireddu eu potensial a chamu ymlaen i gyflogaeth gynaliadwy. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780584 155 En 2026-10-21T14:57:21 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=5243&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=5243&l=cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 12141 12141 Zaynub Akbar AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12141 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12141 Akbar, Zaynub Diolch, Weinidog. People retrain for many reasons: after losing a job, returning to work after raising a family, or starting a new chapter following a career break. Others come to Wales with valuable qualifications and skills that go unrecognised, despite the contribution they could make to our Welsh economy. At the Inspire! adult learning awards, I met learners determined to gain new skills and contribute to their communities. For many, adult learning is more than education; it is a vital opportunity to rebuild their careers and their lives here in Wales. One of my constituents, Yassmein Hussein, completed 13 adult learning courses through Cardiff and Vale College and Cardiff Council, leading her to win the shared futures award at the awards. Yassmein's story shows what people can achieve when they have access to the right learning opportunities. But not everyone gets that chance, and many adults still face barriers to retraining. So, I want to know how the Welsh Government is ensuring that adults who want to retrain for a new career can access the learning opportunities and support they need to make that transition. Diolch, Weinidog. Mae pobl yn ailhyfforddi am lawer o resymau: ar ôl colli swydd, dychwelyd i'r gwaith ar ôl magu teulu, neu ddechrau pennod newydd yn dilyn seibiant gyrfa. Mae eraill yn dod i Gymru gyda chymwysterau a sgiliau gwerthfawr nad ydynt yn cael eu cydnabod, er gwaethaf y cyfraniad y gallent ei wneud i'n heconomi yng Nghymru. Yng ngwobrau dysgu oedolion Ysbrydoli!, cyfarfûm â dysgwyr sy'n benderfynol o ennill sgiliau newydd a chyfrannu at eu cymunedau. I lawer, mae dysgu oedolion yn fwy nag addysg yn unig; mae'n gyfle hanfodol i ailadeiladu eu gyrfaoedd a'u bywydau yma yng Nghymru. Cwblhaodd un o'm hetholwyr, Yassmein Hussein, 13 cwrs dysgu oedolion drwy Goleg Caerdydd a'r Fro a Chyngor Caerdydd, a arweiniodd at ennill y wobr rhannu dyfodol yn y gwobrau. Mae stori Yassmein yn dangos yr hyn y gall pobl ei gyflawni pan fydd ganddynt fynediad at y cyfleoedd dysgu cywir. Ond nid yw pawb yn cael y cyfle hwnnw, ac mae llawer o oedolion yn dal i wynebu rhwystrau i ailhyfforddi. Felly, hoffwn wybod sut y mae Llywodraeth Cymru yn sicrhau y gall oedolion sydd eisiau ailhyfforddi ar gyfer gyrfa newydd gael mynediad at y cyfleoedd dysgu a'r cymorth sydd ei angen arnynt i wneud y newid hwnnw. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780595 156 En 2026-10-21T14:58:33 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=5315&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=5315&l=cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 8643 8643 Cefin Campbell AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8643 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8643 Campbell, Cefin Well, like you, I was there in the Inspire! adult learning awards, and what a terrific night it was, to hear the remarkable stories of adult learners across Wales, many who have overcome very personal barriers to achieve in their learning. It really was an inspirational evening and, for me, it's one of the highlights of the year to go to that event. What it shows is that adult learning is about more than just gaining qualifications or skills. It builds confidence, it increases resilience and it improves well-being, and I was delighted to be there to share in Yassmein's success that evening. In terms of your direct question, the Welsh Government is committed to ensuring that people of all ages have opportunities to learn throughout their lives. We do provide Medr with funding streams, which is allocated to further education colleges and other providers to support learners facing particular barriers. They may relate to disabilities, financial hardship, transport issues, childcare, mental health and well-being. This can include additional learning support, disability-related support, transport assistance, childcare, well-being services and so on, because we want to remove those barriers that stand in their way. Now, in particular, there is a community learning grant worth £6.5 million available to fund adult community learning in general, adult basic education, employability, English for speakers of other languages and well-being courses. These actually help people back into skills and work. There is also a learning grant for learners over the age of 19, and also a personal learning account programme, which aims to help individuals upskill or reskill, as you mentioned, in priority sectors. So, the Welsh Government is absolutely clear that we do support adults in their retraining and upskilling, and want to be as supportive as we can. Because lifelong learning means exactly that: it never stops. So, we are 100 per cent committed to that programme. Wel, fel chi, roeddwn yno yng ngwobrau dysgu oedolion Ysbrydoli!, ac am noson wych oedd hi, i gael clywed straeon rhyfeddol dysgwyr sy'n oedolion ledled Cymru, gyda llawer ohonynt wedi goresgyn rhwystrau personol iawn i gyflawni yn eu dysgu. Roedd yn noson ysbrydoledig iawn, ac i mi, mae mynd i'r digwyddiad hwnnw yn un o uchafbwyntiau'r flwyddyn. Yr hyn y mae'n ei ddangos yw bod addysg oedolion yn ymwneud â mwy nag ennill cymwysterau neu sgiliau yn unig. Mae'n meithrin hyder, mae'n cynyddu gwydnwch ac mae'n gwella lles, ac roeddwn wrth fy modd yn bod yno i rannu llwyddiant Yassmein y noson honno. O ran eich cwestiwn uniongyrchol, mae Llywodraeth Cymru wedi ymrwymo i sicrhau bod pobl o bob oed yn cael cyfleoedd i ddysgu drwy gydol eu hoes. Rydym yn darparu ffrydiau cyllido i Medr, sy'n cael eu dyrannu i golegau addysg bellach a darparwyr eraill i gefnogi dysgwyr sy'n wynebu rhwystrau penodol. Gallant ymwneud ag anableddau, caledi ariannol, problemau trafnidiaeth, gofal plant, iechyd meddwl a lles. Gall hyn gynnwys cymorth dysgu ychwanegol, cymorth sy'n gysylltiedig ag anabledd, cymorth trafnidiaeth, gofal plant, gwasanaethau lles ac yn y blaen, gan ein bod eisiau cael gwared ar y rhwystrau sy'n sefyll yn eu ffordd. Nawr, yn fwyaf arbennig, mae grant dysgu cymunedol gwerth £6.5 miliwn ar gael i ariannu dysgu cymunedol i oedolion yn gyffredinol, addysg sylfaenol i oedolion, cyflogadwyedd, Saesneg ar gyfer siaradwyr ieithoedd eraill a chyrsiau lles. Mae'r rhain yn helpu pobl i ddychwelyd at sgiliau a gwaith. Mae grant dysgu ar gael hefyd ar gyfer dysgwyr dros 19 oed, a rhaglen cyfrifon dysgu personol, sy'n anelu at helpu unigolion i uwchsgilio neu ailsgilio, fel y sonioch chi, mewn sectorau â blaenoriaeth. Felly, mae Llywodraeth Cymru yn gwbl glir ein bod yn cefnogi oedolion i ailhyfforddi ac uwchsgilio, ac eisiau bod mor gefnogol ag y gallwn. Oherwydd mae dysgu gydol oes yn golygu yn union hynny: nid yw byth yn dod i ben. Felly, rydym wedi ymrwymo 100 y cant i'r rhaglen honno. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780561 157 En 2026-10-21T15:00:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=5402&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=5402&l=cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780572 158 Cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language B Athrawon sy'n Gadael y Proffesiwn Teachers Leaving the Profession 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780573 159 Cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language O 12174 12174 Cai Parry-Jones AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12174 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12174 Parry-Jones, Cai 7. Pa gamau y mae Llywodraeth Cymru yn eu cymryd i ganfod y rhesymau pam y mae athrawon yn gadael y proffesiwn? OQ64775 7. What action is the Welsh Government taking to establish the reasons for teachers leaving the profession? OQ64775 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780574 160 En 2026-10-21T15:01:23 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=5485&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=5485&l=cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 12145 12145 Anna Brychan AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12145 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12145 Brychan, Anna Improving recruitment and retention is one of my priorities. We already know that teachers leave the profession for a range of reasons, including workload, well-being and working conditions. We are drawing on national and international evidence and working with our social partners to take practical action to address these issues. Gwella recriwtio a chadw staff yw un o fy mlaenoriaethau. Rydym eisoes yn gwybod bod athrawon yn gadael y proffesiwn am ystod o resymau, gan gynnwys llwyth gwaith, lles ac amodau gwaith. Rydym yn pwyso ar dystiolaeth genedlaethol a rhyngwladol ac yn gweithio gyda'n partneriaid cymdeithasol i roi camau ymarferol ar waith i fynd i'r afael â'r materion hyn. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780577 161 Cy 2026-10-21T15:01:42 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=5504&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=5504&l=en 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 12174 12174 Cai Parry-Jones AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12174 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12174 Parry-Jones, Cai Diolch, Weinidog. Ym mis Mawrth, cyfaddefodd cynllun gweithlu Llywodraeth Cymru nad oedd ganddyn nhw ddata ynghylch pam mae athrawon yn gadael. Nododd Estyn yn union yr un broblem 19 mlynedd yn ôl. Mae ffigurau diweddaraf Cyngor y Gweithlu Addysg yn dangos bod mwy na 3,000 o athrawon ysgol wedi gadael y gofrestr yn y flwyddyn hyd at fis Mawrth, y nifer uchaf mewn pum mlynedd. Ond dydyn ni ddim yn gwybod pam. Does yna ddim system genedlaethol i ofyn i’r athrawon eu hunain pam maen nhw wedi gadael. Mae Lloegr a’r Alban yn gwneud hynny. Pan nad yw Cymru? A wnaiff y Gweinidog ofyn i Gyngor y Gweithlu Addysg ddechrau gofyn i athrawon sy’n gadael y gofrestr pam yr aethant, er mwyn inni ddeall sut fedrwn ni stopio mwy o athrawon rhag gadael yn y dyfodol? Thank you, Minister. In March, the Welsh Government workforce plan admitted that they did not have data as to why teachers leave the profession. Estyn noted exactly the same concern 19 years ago. The latest figures from the Education Workforce Council show that more than 3,000 schoolteachers have left the register in the year up to March, the highest number in five years. But we don't know why. There is no national system in place to ask the teachers themselves why they have left. England and Scotland do that. Why doesn't Wales? Will the Minister ask the Education Workforce Council to start asking teachers who are leaving the register why they did so, so that we can understand how we can stop more teachers from leaving in the future? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780600 162 Cy 2026-10-21T15:02:33 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=5555&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=5555&l=en 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 12145 12145 Anna Brychan AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12145 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12145 Brychan, Anna Diolch. Dydw i ddim yn credu ei bod hi'n gywir i ddweud nad oes tystiolaeth gyda ni. Mae nifer o adroddiadau wedi ymchwilio i’r broblem benodol hon—un yn gymharol ddiweddar gan Cardiff Met, er enghraifft, y brifysgol yng Nghaerdydd, a gyhoeddwyd yn 2024. Mae’r OECD hefyd wedi edrych ar yr heriau yma yng nghyd-destun y gwaith y maen nhw wedi’i wneud yng Nghymru. Mae un o bwyllgorau’r Senedd hefyd wedi edrych yn fanwl ar y broblem yma. Yr un casgliad maen nhw i gyd wedi dod iddo, i bob pwrpas, sef bod y baich gwaith yn ormodol ac yn drwm. Mae teimlad hefyd nad yw cymdeithas yn gwerthfawrogi ymdrechion athrawon fel yr oedd ar un cyfnod. Rwy’n credu bod dyletswydd arnom i gyd i edrych ar siẁd rydyn ni yn siarad am y proffesiwn addysgu; gallwn ni i gyd fod o gymorth yn y cyd-destun hwnnw o leiaf. Mae hefyd cwestiynau ynglŷn â’r llwybr proffesiynol—dyrchafiadau felly, wrth i rywun symud drwy’r system. Wedyn, mae yna feysydd a phynciau penodol lle mae’n arbennig o anodd i recriwtio a chadw athrawon. Mae dibyniaeth hefyd ar athrawon sydd efallai wedi’u cymhwyso i ddysgu un pwnc, ond sydd yn cael eu gofyn yn gynyddol i addysgu un arall. Mae’r rhain i gyd yn faterion sydd yn dylanwadu ar ein gallu ni i recriwtio a chadw athrawon, ac mae hwn wedi bod, yn amlwg, yn flaenoriaeth i mi dros y cyfnod diwethaf. Dyna pam, er enghraifft, gwnaethom ni roi taliadau ychwanegol yn eu lle i recriwtio i rai pynciau sydd yn arbennig o anodd, ac wedyn yn edrych ar y gofynion ehangach gyda chynrychiolyddion o’r gweithlu eu hunain. Thank you. I don't think it's correct to say that we don't have any evidence. There are a number of reports that have looked into this specific problem—one quite recently carried out by Cardiff Met, for example, which was published in 2024. The OECD has also looked at these challenges in the context of work that they have done in Wales. One of the Senedd committees has also looked in detail at this issue. They've all come to the same conclusion, to all intents and purposes, namely that the workload is excessive and is a heavy workload. There's also a feeling that society does not appreciate the efforts of teachers as it did at one stage in the past. I think that we all have a responsibility to examine how we speak about the education profession; we can all be of help in that context, at least. There are also questions about the professional pathway—in terms of promotions and so on, as you move through the system. Then, there are specific subject areas where it is especially difficult to recruit and retain teachers. There is a dependence as well on teachers who are perhaps qualified to teach one subject but are increasingly asked to teach another subject. These are all issues that influence our ability to recruit and to retain teachers, and this has, clearly, been a priority for me over the recent period. That is why, for example, we provided those additional payments for recruitment to difficult-to-recruit subjects, and also are looking then at the broader requirements with representatives from the workforce itself. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780614 163 Cy 2026-10-21T15:04:40 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=5682&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=5682&l=en 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry A'r cwestiwn olaf, cwestiwn 8—Llŷr Powell. And the final question, question 8—Llŷr Powell. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780615 164 Cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language B Diogelwch Disgyblion Pupil Safety 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780616 165 Cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language O 11971 11971 Llŷr Powell AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=11971 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=11971 Powell, Llyr 8. Pa gamau y mae Llywodraeth Cymru yn eu cymryd i wella diogelwch disgyblion? OQ64768 8. What action is the Welsh Government taking to improve pupil safety? OQ64768 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780617 166 En 2026-10-21T15:04:49 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=5691&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=5691&l=cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 12145 12145 Anna Brychan AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12145 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12145 Brychan, Anna The safety and well-being of learners is an absolute priority for the Welsh Government. We continue to work closely with schools, local authorities, the police and other partners to prevent harm, identify emerging risks and ensure that appropriate arrangements are in place to respond effectively when concerns arise. Mae diogelwch a lles dysgwyr yn flaenoriaeth absoliwt i Lywodraeth Cymru. Rydym yn parhau i weithio'n agos gydag ysgolion, awdurdodau lleol, yr heddlu a phartneriaid eraill i atal niwed, nodi risgiau sy'n dod i'r amlwg a sicrhau bod trefniadau priodol ar waith i ymateb yn effeithiol pan fydd pryderon yn codi. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780566 167 En 2026-10-21T15:05:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=5702&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=5702&l=cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780567 168 En 2026-10-21T15:05:10 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=5712&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=5712&l=cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 11971 11971 Llŷr Powell AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=11971 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=11971 Powell, Llyr Thank you for that answer, Minister. In September, more than 300 pupils in the Caerphilly borough lost their free school transport because, as the council said, they fall within the two-mile measurement of the Learner Travel (Wales) Measure 2008. Now, the problem with that is that the Measure is looking at distance but not incline. I've walked this route with campaigners and parents and children themselves—I went from Aberbargoed to Bargoed—and it's the incline that is the tricky part. During different weathers, whether it's the heat we experienced in the summer, or even cold winter days, when that road can be slippery, it does become a risk. Will the Government now look at reviewing the Learner Travel (Wales) Measure 2008 and look to include the advice on inclines and the difficult weather paths that this could create? Diolch am yr ateb hwnnw, Weinidog. Ym mis Medi, collodd dros 300 o ddisgyblion ym mwrdeistref Caerffili eu cludiant ysgol am ddim oherwydd, fel y dywedodd y cyngor, maent o fewn mesuriad dwy filltir Mesur Teithio gan Ddysgwyr (Cymru) 2008. Nawr, y broblem gyda hynny yw bod y Mesur yn edrych ar bellter ond nid ar lethr. Rwyf wedi cerdded y llwybr hwn gydag ymgyrchwyr a rhieni a phlant eu hunain—euthum o Aberbargoed i Bargoed—a'r llethr yw'r rhan anodd. Mewn gwahanol fathau o dywydd, naill ai'r gwres a brofwyd gennym yn yr haf, neu ddyddiau oer y gaeaf hyd yn oed, pan fo'r ffordd honno'n gallu bod yn llithrig, mae'n dod yn risg. A wnaiff y Llywodraeth edrych ar adolygu Mesur Teithio gan Ddysgwyr (Cymru) 2008 a cheisio cynnwys y cyngor ar lethrau a'r llwybrau tywydd anodd y gallai hyn eu creu? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780583 169 En 2026-10-21T15:06:05 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=5767&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=5767&l=cy 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 12145 12145 Anna Brychan AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12145 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12145 Brychan, Anna Thank you. As I referred to in an earlier answer around school transport more broadly, this has been a challenge on many levels—access to Welsh-medium education, for example. The cost of transport has been an increasing concern and that's why, with my colleague the Minister for transport, we are looking at school transport in particular as an immediate priority and linking that, which may be of interest to you as well, to additional learning needs learners for whom this is a pressing priority. I can't commit this afternoon to looking at the learner travel Measure again, but, certainly, issues more broadly around access to school and transport to get learners there safely are right at the top of my colleague's agenda, I know. Diolch. Fel y nodais mewn ateb cynharach ynglŷn â chludiant ysgol yn ehangach, mae hyn wedi bod yn her ar sawl lefel—mynediad at addysg cyfrwng Cymraeg, er enghraifft. Mae cost trafnidiaeth wedi bod yn bryder cynyddol a dyna pam fy mod, gyda fy nghyd-Aelod y Gweinidog trafnidiaeth, yn edrych ar gludiant ysgol yn arbennig fel blaenoriaeth uniongyrchol a chysylltu hynny, a allai fod o ddiddordeb i chi hefyd, â dysgwyr anghenion dysgu ychwanegol y mae hyn yn flaenoriaeth ddybryd iddynt. Ni allaf ymrwymo y prynhawn yma i edrych ar y Mesur Teithio gan Ddysgwyr eto, ond yn sicr, rwy'n gwybod bod materion ehangach ynghylch mynediad at ysgolion a thrafnidiaeth i gael dysgwyr yno'n ddiogel ar frig agenda fy nghyd-Aelod. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780593 170 Cy 2026-10-21T15:06:58 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=5820&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=5820&l=en 261021-3 2. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Addysg a’r Gymraeg 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Education and the Welsh Language C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Diolch yn fawr iawn i chi, Weinidog a Dirprwy Weinidog. Thank you very much, Minister and Deputy Minister. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780598 171 Cy 2026-10-21T15:07:01 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=5823&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=5823&l=en 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Awn ymlaen i eitem 3, cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd. Cwestiwn 1, Carmelo Colasanto. We move on to item 3, questions to the Senedd Commission. Question 1, Carmelo Colasanto. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780603 172 Cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission B Cefnogi Busnesau Supporting Businesses 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780604 173 Cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission O 12152 12152 Carmelo Colasanto AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12152 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12152 Colasanto, Carmelo 1. Sut mae caffael y Comisiwn yn cefnogi busnesau yng Nghymru? OQ64772 1. How does the Commission's procurement support businesses in Wales? OQ64772 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780605 174 En 2026-10-21T15:07:16 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=5838&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=5838&l=cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw The Commission supports Welsh businesses by making procurement opportunities both visible and accessible. All suppliers are treated fairly and consistently under procurement law. Contracts worth more than £30,000 are advertised on Sell2Wales, allowing companies to express an interest and to tender. We also explore the market; we identify potential Welsh suppliers and alert them to suitable opportunities. We monitor spending with Wales-based suppliers through a corporate key performance indicator reported annually. At present, that is being exceeded—it's 55 per cent against our target of 50 per cent. For larger contracts involving subcontractors, we seek opportunities for Welsh businesses to join supply chains. These measures strengthen participation while maintaining an open, transparent and legally compliant procurement process for all involved. Mae'r Comisiwn yn cefnogi busnesau Cymru drwy wneud cyfleoedd caffael yn weladwy ac yn hygyrch. Mae pob cyflenwr yn cael ei drin yn deg ac yn gyson o dan gyfraith gaffael. Mae contractau gwerth mwy na £30,000 yn cael eu hysbysebu ar GwerthwchiGymru, gan ganiatáu i gwmnïau fynegi diddordeb ac i dendro. Rydym hefyd yn archwilio'r farchnad; rydym yn nodi darpar gyflenwyr Cymreig ac yn rhoi gwybod iddynt am gyfleoedd addas. Rydym yn monitro gwariant gyda chyflenwyr yng Nghymru drwy ddangosydd perfformiad allweddol corfforaethol yr adroddir yn ei gylch yn flynyddol. Ar hyn o bryd, fe ragorir ar y dangosydd—mae'n 55 y cant yn erbyn ein targed o 50 y cant. Ar gyfer contractau mwy sy'n cynnwys isgontractwyr, rydym yn chwilio am gyfleoedd i fusnesau Cymru ymuno â chadwyni cyflenwi. Mae'r mesurau hyn yn cryfhau cyfranogiad gan gynnal proses gaffael agored a thryloyw sy'n cydymffurfio â'r gyfraith i bawb sydd ynghlwm wrthi. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780602 175 En 2026-10-21T15:08:11 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=5893&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=5893&l=cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 12152 12152 Carmelo Colasanto AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12152 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12152 Colasanto, Carmelo Diolch, Lywydd. The Senedd should lead by example in how public money is spent. In 2018-19, the Commission introduced a performance indicator tracking procurement spending with Welsh suppliers. Following scrutiny of its 2020-21 accounts, the Public Accounts and Public Administration Committee recommended splitting the contracts into smaller lots so that the smaller Welsh firms could compete. The Commission accepted that recommendation. The Welsh Government has now pledged to increase public procurement spending with Wales-based suppliers towards 70 per cent. Small and medium-sized businesses account for over 99 per cent of enterprises in Wales. Businesses across Carmarthenshire, from Llanelli to Ammanford and Carmarthen should have a fair opportunity to compete for those contracts funded by Welsh taxpayers, but knowing how much the Commission spends with Welsh suppliers tells us little about whether that money is reaching businesses across the whole of Wales. So, will the Commission publish a regional breakdown of its procurement model spending, including how much goes to small and medium-sized businesses? And what practical steps is it taking to ensure that the smallest firms in areas such as Carmarthenshire can compete for contracts, including splitting larger contracts into smaller lots where appropriate? Diolch, Lywydd. Dylai'r Senedd arwain drwy esiampl o ran sut y caiff arian cyhoeddus ei wario. Yn 2018-19, cyflwynodd y Comisiwn ddangosydd perfformiad sy'n olrhain gwariant caffael gyda chyflenwyr o Gymru. Yn dilyn craffu ar ei gyfrifon 2020-21, argymhellodd y Pwyllgor Cyfrifon Cyhoeddus a Gweinyddiaeth Gyhoeddus y dylid rhannu'r contractau'n lotiau llai fel y gallai'r cwmnïau llai o Gymru gystadlu. Derbyniodd y Comisiwn yr argymhelliad hwnnw. Mae Llywodraeth Cymru bellach wedi addo cynyddu gwariant caffael cyhoeddus gyda chyflenwyr yng Nghymru hyd at 70 y cant. Busnesau bach a chanolig yw dros 99 y cant o fentrau yng Nghymru. Dylai busnesau ar draws sir Gaerfyrddin, o Lanelli i Rydaman a Chaerfyrddin gael cyfle teg i gystadlu am y contractau a ariennir gan drethdalwyr Cymru, ond nid yw gwybod faint y mae'r Comisiwn yn ei wario gyda chyflenwyr o Gymru yn dweud fawr ddim wrthym ynglŷn ag a yw'r arian hwnnw'n cyrraedd busnesau ledled Cymru gyfan. Felly, a wnaiff y Comisiwn gyhoeddi dadansoddiad rhanbarthol o wariant ei fodel caffael, gan gynnwys faint sy'n mynd i fusnesau bach a chanolig? A pha gamau ymarferol y mae'n eu cymryd i sicrhau bod y cwmnïau lleiaf mewn ardaloedd fel sir Gaerfyrddin yn gallu cystadlu am gontractau, gan gynnwys rhannu contractau mwy yn lotiau llai lle bo hynny'n briodol? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780609 176 En 2026-10-21T15:09:23 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=5965&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=5965&l=cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Indeed. Well, one of the good illustrations of this is, of course, what we do in terms of the contract we have here with the public food suppliers. Interestingly, I noted that we're exceeding the KPI in aggregate by 55 per cent against our target of 50 per cent, but actually the food procurement by our catering suppliers here, using good Welsh suppliers that do, indeed, break down the individual contracts to really favour smaller suppliers within the Welsh food supply chain, they are achieving in excess of 70 per cent with Welsh suppliers. So, we're actually doing well. But we're always open to more ideas. I'll take away the thoughts that you've given us and see whether we can disaggregate the data even more. But I have to say the story is one of positive success. Yn wir. Wel, un o'r pethau sy'n dangos hyn yn dda, wrth gwrs, yw'r hyn a wnawn gyda'r contract sydd gennym yma gyda'r cyflenwyr bwyd cyhoeddus. Yn ddiddorol, nodais ein bod yn rhagori ar y dangosydd perfformiad allweddol o 55 y cant yn erbyn ein targed o 50 y cant, ond mewn gwirionedd mae'r bwyd sy'n cael ei gaffael gan ein cyflenwyr arlwyo yma, gan ddefnyddio cyflenwyr Cymreig da sydd yn wir yn rhannu'r contractau unigol yn rhai llai i ffafrio cyflenwyr llai o faint o fewn y gadwyn gyflenwi bwyd yng Nghymru, maent yn cyflawni dros 70 y cant gyda chyflenwyr o Gymru. Felly, rydym yn gwneud yn dda mewn gwirionedd. Ond rydym bob amser yn agored i fwy o syniadau. Fe ystyriaf y syniadau rydych chi wedi'u rhoi i ni a gweld a allwn ni ddadgyfuno'r data ymhellach eto. Ond mae'n rhaid imi ddweud bod y stori'n un o lwyddiant cadarnhaol. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780585 177 En 2026-10-21T15:10:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=6002&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=6002&l=cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780587 178 Cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission B Sbectolau Clyfar Smartglasses 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780588 179 Cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission O 12167 12167 Sarah Cooper-Lesadd AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12167 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12167 Cooper-Lesadd, Sarah 2. Pa fesurau diogelu y bydd y Comisiwn yn eu rhoi ar waith o ran defnyddio sbectolau clyfar ar ystad y Senedd? OQ64771 2. What safeguards will the Commission put in place regarding the use of smartglasses on the Senedd estate? OQ64771 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780589 180 En 2026-10-21T15:10:20 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=6022&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=6022&l=cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Diolch. The Commission already has safeguards in place that restrict filming and recording on the Senedd estate without relevant authorisation. Importantly, those restrictions are technology neutral, and they apply regardless of whether recording is undertaken using conventional equipment, a phone, smartglasses or any other device. However, we recognise that wearable and AI-enabled technologies are developing rapidly. I've therefore commissioned a review of our policies and guidance to ensure that they remain effective and keep pace with these developments. Our aim is to ensure that Members and their staff, Commission officials and the Senedd estate are properly protected, while allowing the legitimate benefits of new technologies, including, by the way, accessibility benefits, to be realised where their use is appropriate and properly authorised. Diolch. Mae gan y Comisiwn fesurau diogelu eisoes ar waith sy'n cyfyngu ar ffilmio a recordio ar ystad y Senedd heb awdurdodiad perthnasol. Yn bwysig, mae'r cyfyngiadau hynny'n niwtral o ran technoleg, ac maent yn berthnasol p'un a yw recordio'n digwydd gan ddefnyddio offer confensiynol, ffôn, sbectol clyfar neu unrhyw ddyfais arall. Fodd bynnag, rydym yn cydnabod bod technolegau gwisgadwy wedi'u galluogi gan ddeallusrwydd artiffisial yn datblygu'n gyflym. Felly, rwyf wedi comisiynu adolygiad o'n polisïau a'n canllawiau i sicrhau eu bod yn parhau i fod yn effeithiol ac yn cadw i fyny â'r datblygiadau hyn. Ein nod yw sicrhau bod Aelodau a'u staff, swyddogion y Comisiwn ac ystad y Senedd yn cael eu diogelu'n briodol, tra'n caniatáu i fanteision cyfreithlon technolegau newydd, gan gynnwys, gyda llaw, manteision hygyrchedd, gael eu gwireddu lle mae eu defnydd yn briodol ac wedi'i awdurdodi'n briodol. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780601 181 En 2026-10-21T15:11:14 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=6076&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=6076&l=cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 12167 12167 Sarah Cooper-Lesadd AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12167 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12167 Cooper-Lesadd, Sarah The Member says his glasses caused a stir. They certainly did. The Commission is undertaking a review, the Cabinet Office has enforced a ban, and it's only a matter of time before other organisations follow suit. The review isn't the problem; the gap before it concludes is. The Cabinet Office has already taken action very swiftly, so I'd be grateful to know the Commission's position while that review is under way. I would also argue that this is a question of equity. Everyone should be on a fair and equal footing. A Member wearing a recording device has an advantage over every other person in the room, and they have no idea that they may be filmed. So, whether the glasses weren't filming isn't the point—nobody else can tell, and a rule that depends on checking after isn't a safeguard. Mae'r Aelod yn dweud bod ei sbectol wedi achosi cynnwrf. Fe wnaethant hynny yn sicr. Mae'r Comisiwn yn cynnal adolygiad, mae Swyddfa'r Cabinet wedi gosod gwaharddiad, a dim ond mater o amser yw hi cyn i sefydliadau eraill ddilyn eu hesiampl. Nid yr adolygiad yw'r broblem, ond y bwlch cyn iddo gwblhau. Mae Swyddfa'r Cabinet eisoes wedi gweithredu'n gyflym iawn, felly hoffwn wybod safbwynt y Comisiwn tra bod yr adolygiad hwnnw ar y gweill. Buaswn yn dadlau hefyd fod hyn yn fater o gydraddoldeb. Dylai pawb fod ar sail deg a chyfartal. Mae gan Aelod sy'n gwisgo dyfais recordio fantais dros bob person arall yn yr ystafell, ac nid oes ganddynt unrhyw syniad y gallant gael eu ffilmio. Felly, nid nad oedd y sbectol yn ffilmio yw'r pwynt—ni all unrhyw un arall ddweud, ac nid yw rheol sy'n dibynnu ar wirio wedyn yn fesur diogelwch. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780607 182 En 2026-10-21T15:12:05 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=6127&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=6127&l=cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Thank you very much. First of all, on the Cabinet Office, the Cabinet Office may have made a decision on this, and it's perfectly open to Welsh Government to make a decision on how they pursue this policy as well. Also, courts and tribunals have banned the use of film and recording devices outright. Just to reiterate, there is a clear ruling here already, in a technology-neutral way, on any filming and recording device on the Senedd premises. I shouldn't need to remind Members of that. They're fully aware, they went through induction, everybody's aware. I've written out subsequently as well. On the issue of equity, that's a valid point. It's been raised by other Members. I've actually had some very good written representations about ideas that could be fed into the review. So, I would strongly suggest that all Members, actually, contribute to this review going forward, but recognising that some of this assistive technology has benefits, not least that it has been identified by many within the disability lobby as well to say, 'We want to see the proper, appropriate, authorised use of this in the right situation.' So, I can just give a further brief update. The initial review of smartglasses and other advancing technologies is now well advanced. I'll be writing to Members before recess to set out further explanation of the way in which the review will carry out its work, including the ways in which Members will be able to participate so that all views can then be taken into account. Just to say, if we get to this point at the speed that we are going, we will be ahead of other Parliaments in actually putting the right procedures in place for this technology. Diolch yn fawr. Yn gyntaf oll, ar Swyddfa'r Cabinet, efallai fod Swyddfa'r Cabinet wedi gwneud penderfyniad ar hyn, ac mae'n berffaith agored i Lywodraeth Cymru wneud penderfyniad ar sut y maent hwy'n mynd ar drywydd y polisi hwn hefyd. Hefyd, mae llysoedd a thribiwnlysoedd wedi gwahardd defnyddio dyfeisiau ffilm a recordio yn llwyr. I ailadrodd, mae dyfarniad clir yma eisoes, mewn ffordd niwtral o ran technoleg, ar unrhyw ddyfais ffilmio a recordio ar safle'r Senedd. Ni ddylai fod angen imi atgoffa'r Aelodau o hynny. Maent yn gwbl ymwybodol, fe aethant drwy'r camau sefydlu, mae pawb yn ymwybodol. Rwyf wedi ysgrifennu ar hyn wedyn hefyd. Ar fater tegwch, mae hwnnw'n bwynt dilys. Mae wedi cael ei godi gan Aelodau eraill. Cefais sylwadau ysgrifenedig da iawn am syniadau y gellid eu bwydo i mewn i'r adolygiad. Felly, buaswn yn awgrymu'n gryf fod yr holl Aelodau'n cyfrannu at yr adolygiad hwn yn y dyfodol, ond gan gydnabod bod gan rywfaint o'r dechnoleg gynorthwyol hon fanteision, nid yn lleiaf ei bod wedi'i nodi gan lawer yn y lobi anabledd hefyd sy'n dweud, 'Rydym am weld defnydd priodol, wedi'i awdurdodi o hyn yn y sefyllfa gywir.' Felly, gallaf roi diweddariad byr pellach. Mae'r adolygiad cychwynnol o sbectolau clyfar a thechnolegau datblygedig eraill bellach wedi datblygu'n dda. Byddaf yn ysgrifennu at yr Aelodau cyn y toriad i nodi esboniad pellach o'r ffordd y bydd yr adolygiad yn cyflawni ei waith, gan gynnwys y ffyrdd y bydd yr Aelodau'n gallu cymryd rhan fel y gellir ystyried pob barn wedyn. Ac os cyrhaeddwn y pwynt hwn ar y cyflymder rydym yn mynd, byddwn ar y blaen i Seneddau eraill yn rhoi'r gweithdrefnau cywir ar waith ar gyfer y dechnoleg hon. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780608 183 En 2026-10-21T15:13:36 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=6218&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=6218&l=cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 11971 11971 Llŷr Powell AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=11971 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=11971 Powell, Llyr I appreciate the Llywydd's answer on the Commission's position there. Llywydd, for this review that's taking place with smartglasses, could you confirm whether you're going to be reaching out to charities right now? A lot of them have come forward, like the RNIB, who represent people who are blind or partially sighted, who say this technology has now created an equal playing field. Allowing people who have these glasses who are registered blind or partially sighted on to the estate I think is important in terms of the inclusive side of things. As well, Dyslexia UK is another charity that has come out and actually said these glasses and technology can help equalise the playing field for people's lives in reading in certain colours, and, going forward, I think it's important that the Commission looks to these charities that are coming out expressing views, to make sure the Parliament is as equal as possible. And in terms of equity, I think it's important that Members should be on an equal playing field. Maybe some Members should be given glasses to help read the manifestos on which they were elected to this Chamber. Rwy'n gwerthfawrogi ateb y Llywydd ar safbwynt y Comisiwn. Lywydd, ar gyfer yr adolygiad hwn sy'n digwydd gyda sbectolau clyfar, a wnewch chi gadarnhau y byddwch yn estyn allan at elusennau nawr? Mae llawer ohonynt wedi dweud, fel yr RNIB, sy'n cynrychioli pobl sy'n ddall neu'n gweld yn rhannol, fod y dechnoleg hon bellach wedi sicrhau tegwch. Rwy'n credu bod caniatáu i bobl sydd â'r sbectolau hyn ac sydd wedi'u cofrestru'n ddall neu'n gweld yn rhannol ar yr ystad yn bwysig o ran yr ochr gynhwysol i bethau. Hefyd, mae Dyslexia UK yn elusen arall sydd wedi dweud y gall y sbectol a'r dechnoleg hon helpu i sicrhau tegwch ym mywydau pobl wrth ddarllen mewn lliwiau penodol, ac yn y dyfodol, rwy'n credu ei bod yn bwysig i'r Comisiwn edrych ar yr elusennau hyn sy'n mynegi barn, er mwyn gwneud yn siŵr bod y Senedd mor deg â phosibl. Ac o ran cydraddoldeb, rwy'n credu ei bod yn bwysig i'r holl Aelodau gael yr un chwarae teg. Efallai y dylid rhoi sbectol i rai Aelodau i'w helpu i ddarllen y maniffestos y cawsant eu hethol arnynt i'r Siambr hon. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780611 184 En 2026-10-21T15:14:41 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=6283&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=6283&l=cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Simply to add to what I was saying, I think all views are welcome in this. That does include those from organisations outside who do see legitimate use of assistive technology. However, we also need those views about, where any filming and recording devices are used, whether our rules are currently fit for purpose or not, and where these devices may be used in future. So, I'm not pre-empting any outcome of that review, but we're moving on at pace and we do want all views to be heard. Meanwhile, as I said in the opening part of my answer, the issue here is the integrity of this place, both for Members, staff, visitors and all others who use this, to know that we can do our business in the way that we want it to be done properly. I ychwanegu at yr hyn roeddwn i'n ei ddweud, rwy'n credu bod croeso i bob safbwynt ar hyn. Mae hynny'n cynnwys rhai gan sefydliadau y tu allan sy'n gweld defnydd cyfreithlon o dechnoleg gynorthwyol. Fodd bynnag, mae angen safbwyntiau arnom hefyd ynglŷn â ble y gwneir defnydd o unrhyw ddyfeisiau ffilmio a recordio, a yw ein rheolau'n addas i'r diben ar hyn o bryd ai peidio, a ble y gellir defnyddio'r dyfeisiau hyn yn y dyfodol. Felly, nid wyf yn achub y blaen ar unrhyw ganlyniad i'r adolygiad hwnnw, ond rydym yn symud ymlaen yn gyflym ac rydym am i bob barn gael ei chlywed. Yn y cyfamser, fel y dywedais yn rhan agoriadol fy ateb, y cwestiwn sy'n codi yma yw uniondeb y lle hwn, er mwyn i Aelodau, staff, ymwelwyr a phawb arall sy'n defnyddio'r dechnoleg wybod y gallwn wneud ein gwaith yn y ffordd briodol yr ydym am iddo gael ei wneud. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780618 185 En 2026-10-21T15:15:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=6302&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=6302&l=cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780619 186 Cy 2026-10-21T00:00:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=-48598&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=-48598&l=en 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780620 187 Cy 2026-10-21T15:15:34 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=6336&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=6336&l=en 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780621 188 En 2026-10-21T15:15:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=6302&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=6302&l=cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780625 189 Cy 2026-10-21T00:00:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=-48598&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=-48598&l=en 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780626 190 Cy 2026-10-21T15:15:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=6302&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=6302&l=en 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780627 191 En 2026-10-21T15:15:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=6302&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=6302&l=cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780629 192 Cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission B Polisi Darlledu Broadcasting Policy 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780630 193 Cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission O 12154 12154 Catherine Cullen AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12154 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12154 Cullen, Catherine 3. A yw'r Comisiwn wedi cael cyngor annibynnol ynghylch a yw ei bolisi darlledu yn deg, yn gymesur ac yn cael ei gymhwyso'n gyson? OQ64743 3. Has the Commission obtained independent advice on whether its broadcasting policy is fair, proportionate and consistently applied? OQ64743 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780631 194 En 2026-10-21T15:15:44 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=6346&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=6346&l=cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Thank you. The Commission’s broadcasting policy drew on a report by an independent adviser, which examined the Senedd’s historical position, looked at five other legislatures and considered relevant policy principles. I recently agreed that this policy could be reviewed. In September, Commissioners were asked to consider four options. It was determined that further consultation was required between the Commission and party groups, and this is now under way, with officials already having met or briefed most party groups. Diolch. Roedd polisi darlledu'r Comisiwn yn pwyso ar adroddiad gan gynghorydd annibynnol, a archwiliodd safbwynt y Senedd yn y gorffennol, ac edrychodd ar bum deddfwrfa arall ac ystyried egwyddorion polisi perthnasol. Cytunais yn ddiweddar y gellid adolygu'r polisi hwn. Ym mis Medi, gofynnwyd i'r Comisiynwyr ystyried pedwar opsiwn. Penderfynwyd bod angen ymgynghori pellach rhwng y Comisiwn a grwpiau'r pleidiau, ac mae hyn bellach ar y gweill, gyda swyddogion eisoes wedi cyfarfod â'r rhan fwyaf o grwpiau'r pleidiau neu wedi eu briffio. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780632 195 En 2026-10-21T15:16:14 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=6376&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=6376&l=cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 12154 12154 Catherine Cullen AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12154 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12154 Cullen, Catherine Diolch. GB News is still excluded from the Senedd's internal television screens, and the justification was that comments made were contrary to the Parliament's values. However, the very broadcasting protocol itself was developed by an unnamed independent adviser to the Senedd Commission. So, what are the values of this adviser and on what political spectrum do they lie? The fact is the inclusion of Sky News as a commercial broadcaster undercuts the rule of allowing only public service broadcasters on the internal Senedd television screens. GB News is also a licensed news and current affairs broadcaster like Sky News, and its programmes cover issues affecting people across Wales, including perspectives that challenge the Welsh Government's policies. So, while I recognise the Commission's responsibility to maintain appropriate standards, these standards must be applied fairly, consistently and proportionately. So, could we have discussions on this sooner rather than later, and can we all have an opinion on this, so that we can get GB News back where it belongs on our internal tv screens? Diolch. Mae GB News yn dal i gael ei wahardd o sgriniau teledu mewnol y Senedd, a'r cyfiawnhad oedd bod sylwadau a wnaed yn groes i werthoedd y Senedd. Fodd bynnag, datblygwyd y protocol darlledu ei hun gan gynghorydd annibynnol di-enw i Gomisiwn y Senedd. Felly, beth yw gwerthoedd y cynghorydd hwn ac ar ba sbectrwm gwleidyddol y mae'n sefyll? Y gwir yw bod cynnwys Sky News fel darlledwr masnachol yn tanseilio'r rheol o ganiatáu darlledwyr gwasanaeth cyhoeddus yn unig ar sgriniau teledu mewnol y Senedd. Mae GB News hefyd yn ddarlledwr newyddion a materion cyfoes trwyddedig fel Sky News, ac mae ei raglenni'n ymdrin â materion sy'n effeithio ar bobl ledled Cymru, gan gynnwys safbwyntiau sy'n herio polisïau Llywodraeth Cymru. Felly, er fy mod yn cydnabod cyfrifoldeb y Comisiwn i gynnal safonau priodol, rhaid cymhwyso'r safonau hyn yn deg, yn gyson ac yn gymesur. Felly, a gawn ni drafodaethau ar hyn yn gynt yn hytrach nag yn hwyrach, ac a gawn ni i gyd farn ar hyn, fel y gallwn gael GB News yn ôl lle mae'n perthyn ar ein sgriniau teledu mewnol? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780633 196 En 2026-10-21T15:17:22 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=6444&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=6444&l=cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw So, Catherine, we are keeping consistency here that this is appearing in every Commissioner's questions, but simply to say the independent adviser's report remained part of the evidence that was also presented to Commissioners. That included, by the way, comparison with Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Westminster and Victoria and other parliaments. But the framework we're now using is one that looks at transparent, objective criteria rather than judgments about individual broadcasters' particular viewpoints and so on. The original policy, by the way, that stands at the moment to amend what channels were available on internal tvs was agreed by the majority of the previous Commissioners, and in answer to your point, it ensures access to channels that have public service obligations and also provides one additional news channel, Sky News, to ensure plurality of news stations. You asked whether we're getting on with it: yes, as I said in my opening remarks, we're already engaging with political groups. Felly, Catherine, rydym yn cynnal cysondeb yma fod hyn yn ymddangos yng nghwestiynau pob Comisiynydd, ond os caf ddweud yn syml fod adroddiad y cynghorydd annibynnol wedi parhau'n rhan o'r dystiolaeth a gyflwynwyd i Gomisiynwyr hefyd. Roedd honno'n cynnwys, gyda llaw, cymhariaeth ag Awstralia, Canada, Seland Newydd, San Steffan a Victoria a seneddau eraill. Ond mae'r fframwaith rydym ni'n ei ddefnyddio nawr yn un sy'n edrych ar feini prawf tryloyw, gwrthrychol yn hytrach na dyfarniadau am safbwyntiau penodol darlledwyr unigol ac yn y blaen. Cytunwyd ar y polisi gwreiddiol, gyda llaw, sy'n sefyll ar hyn o bryd i ddiwygio pa sianeli oedd ar gael ar setiau teledu mewnol gan y mwyafrif o'r Comisiynwyr blaenorol, ac mewn ymateb i'ch pwynt, mae'n sicrhau mynediad at sianeli sydd â rhwymedigaethau gwasanaeth cyhoeddus a hefyd yn darparu un sianel newyddion ychwanegol, Sky News, i sicrhau lluosogrwydd o orsafoedd newyddion. Fe wnaethoch chi ofyn a ydym yn bwrw ymlaen â hyn: ydym, fel y dywedais yn fy sylwadau agoriadol, rydym eisoes yn ymgysylltu â'r grwpiau gwleidyddol. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780638 197 En 2026-10-21T15:18:24 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=6506&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=6506&l=cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 4983 4983 Jane Dodds AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4983 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4983 Dodds, Jane And I rise again, with the greatest of respect to the Member, who is persistent and consistent at the very least. But I am perplexed, and I wonder if the Member is listening. No. I am perplexed why the Member keeps raising this issue. So, let's just be clear: GB News is repeatedly embroiled in serious controversies. Last June—[Interruption.] Dirprwy Lywydd, may I carry on in some silence, please? Diolch. Just last week, a GB News presenter apologised in court and agreed to pay substantial damages to a UK politician. Meanwhile, Ofcom is investigating the channel. Ofcom is investigating the channel following more than 12,000 complaints about a guest— Ac rwy'n codi eto, gyda'r parch mwyaf at yr Aelod, sy'n ddyfal ac yn gyson o leiaf. Ond mae'n peri penbleth i mi, ac rwy'n meddwl tybed a yw'r Aelod yn gwrando. Na. Mae'n peri penbleth i mi pam y mae'r Aelod yn parhau i godi'r mater hwn. Felly, gadewch inni fod yn glir: mae GB News wedi bod ynghlwm dro ar ôl tro wrth anghydfodau difrifol. Fis Mehefin diwethaf—[Torri ar draws.] Ddirprwy Lywydd, a gaf i dawelwch i barhau, os gwelwch yn dda? Diolch. Yr wythnos diwethaf, ymddiheurodd cyflwynydd GB News yn y llys a chytunodd i dalu iawndal sylweddol i wleidydd o'r DU. Yn y cyfamser, mae Ofcom yn ymchwilio i'r sianel. Mae Ofcom yn ymchwilio i'r sianel yn dilyn mwy na 12,000 o gwynion am westai— 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780653 198 En 2026-10-21T15:19:25 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=6567&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=6567&l=cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Jane, have you got a question for the Llywydd? Jane, a oes gennych chi gwestiwn i'r Llywydd? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780655 199 En 2026-10-21T15:19:27 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=6569&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=6569&l=cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 4983 4983 Jane Dodds AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4983 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4983 Dodds, Jane I have, I have. But, Dirprwy Lywydd, I've been interrupted, so I'm coming to that, thank you. Twelve thousand complaints about a guest appearing to associate Pride, the organisation, with child sexual exploitation and bestiality. And once again, we are here about GB News. Oes, mae. Ond Ddirprwy Lywydd, torrwyd ar fy nhraws, felly rwy'n dod at hynny, diolch. Cafwyd 12,000 o gwynion am westai a oedd i'w weld yn cysylltu Pride, y sefydliad, â chamfanteisio'n rhywiol ar blant a milgydiad. Ac unwaith eto, rydym ni yma'n siarad am GB News. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780658 200 En 2026-10-21T15:19:47 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=6589&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=6589&l=cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Can we have the question for the Llywydd, please? A gawn ni'r cwestiwn i'r Llywydd, os gwelwch yn dda? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780662 201 En 2026-10-21T15:19:48 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=6590&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=6590&l=cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 4983 4983 Jane Dodds AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4983 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4983 Dodds, Jane My question to the Llywydd is: will the Llywydd agree that broadcasting GB News would be at odds with the principles of respect, dignity and integrity that should underpin the Senedd? Diolch yn fawr iawn. Fy nghwestiwn i'r Llywydd yw: a yw'r Llywydd yn cytuno y byddai darlledu GB News yn groes i egwyddorion parch, urddas ac uniondeb a ddylai fod yn sylfaen i'r Senedd? Diolch yn fawr iawn. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780590 202 En 2026-10-21T15:20:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=6602&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=6602&l=cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780628 203 En 2026-10-21T15:20:05 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=6607&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=6607&l=cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw The Member tempts me to pre-empt where the review is going and also to pre-empt the views of individual Commissioners. There are four Commissioners that sit with me in deliberation on this and I think, out of respect for them, I have to wait to see the views of Members being put forward. They'll have heard the views put forward by all Members and will come to, I'm sure, a good and fair and reasonable decision on the four options that have been put in front of them. By the way, just to remind Members, one of those options is, of course, focusing on the primary use of parliamentary monitors on the estate, which is to inform Members of what is going on in this place. However, there are also alternative views that say that Members should have ready access to breaking news and so on. We're comparing with other Parliaments as well as to what is currently done there. So, all views are genuinely welcomed. Mae'r Aelod yn fy nhemtio i achub y blaen ar ble mae'r adolygiad yn mynd a hefyd i achub y blaen ar farn Comisiynwyr unigol. Mae pedwar Comisiynydd yn ystyried hyn gyda mi, ac allan o barch atynt hwy, rhaid imi aros i weld safbwyntiau'r Aelodau'n cael eu cyflwyno. Byddant wedi clywed y safbwyntiau a gyflwynwyd gan yr holl Aelodau a byddant yn dod i benderfyniad da a theg a rhesymol, rwy'n siŵr, ar y pedwar opsiwn a roddwyd o'u blaenau. Gyda llaw, i atgoffa'r Aelodau, un o'r opsiynau hynny yw canolbwyntio ar y prif ddefnydd o fonitorau seneddol ar yr ystad, sef hysbysu Aelodau am yr hyn sy'n digwydd yn y lle hwn. Fodd bynnag, mae yna safbwyntiau amgen hefyd sy'n dweud y dylai Aelodau gael mynediad parod at newyddion sy'n torri ac yn y blaen. Rydym yn cymharu â Seneddau eraill hefyd ynglŷn â'r hyn sy'n cael ei wneud yno ar hyn o bryd. Felly, mae croeso go iawn i bob safbwynt. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780640 204 Cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission B Hyfforddiant Diogelu Safeguarding Training 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780641 205 Cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission O 330 330 Sera Evans AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=330 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=330 Evans, Sera 4. Pa ystyriaeth y mae'r Comisiwn wedi'i roi i gyflwyno hyfforddiant diogelu gorfodol ar gyfer yr holl Aelodau o'r Senedd a'u staff cymorth? OQ64741 4. What consideration has the Commission given to introducing mandatory safeguarding training for all Members of the Senedd and their support staff? OQ64741 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780642 206 En 2026-10-21T15:21:04 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=6666&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=6666&l=cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Diolch. The Commission cannot formally mandate training for Members, who are of course elected office holders, or their staff, who are employed by those individual Members. However, the Commission treats learning or briefings that inform and protect Members, their staff and the Senedd from legal, regulatory or reputational risk as necessary and recommend them as essential. We provide training and support to help Members understand their responsibilities and ensure their staff are appropriately trained, and we continue to promote participation through accessible, appropriately sequenced provision. Participation by Members and Member support staff is vital. It has been particularly helpful in the past when party groups have required their Members to attend particular training, while employing Members may require—and, depending on the subject, may be responsible for ensuring—that their staff complete appropriate training. Diolch. Ni all y Comisiwn orfodi hyfforddiant ffurfiol i Aelodau, sydd wrth gwrs yn ddeiliaid swyddi etholedig, na'u staff, sy'n cael eu cyflogi gan yr Aelodau unigol hynny. Fodd bynnag, mae'r Comisiwn yn trin dysgu neu sesiynau briffio sy'n hysbysu ac yn diogelu Aelodau, eu staff a'r Senedd rhag risg gyfreithiol neu reoleiddiol neu risg i enw da yn ôl yr angen ac yn eu hargymell fel rhai hanfodol. Rydym yn darparu hyfforddiant a chefnogaeth i helpu Aelodau i ddeall eu cyfrifoldebau a sicrhau bod eu staff wedi'u hyfforddi'n briodol, ac rydym yn parhau i hyrwyddo cyfranogiad trwy ddarpariaeth hygyrch, wedi'i dilyniannu'n briodol. Mae cyfranogiad Aelodau a staff cymorth Aelodau yn hanfodol. Mae wedi bod yn arbennig o ddefnyddiol yn y gorffennol pan fo grwpiau'r pleidiau wedi gofyn i'w haelodau fynychu hyfforddiant penodol, tra gall defnyddio Aelodau alw am—ac yn dibynnu ar y pwnc, gall fod yn gyfrifol am sicrhau—bod eu staff yn cwblhau hyfforddiant priodol. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780645 207 En 2026-10-21T15:21:59 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=6721&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=6721&l=cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 330 330 Sera Evans AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=330 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=330 Evans, Sera Diolch, Lywydd. The Commission's own guidance makes clear that while safeguarding is everyone's responsibility, it has designated safeguarding officers who act as a central point of contact for managing concerns. This is standard practice. However, individual Members are responsible for safeguarding arrangements within their own offices, and although the Commission advises Members and their staff to mirror its safeguarding policy, there really isn't an equivalent safeguarding structure, as it were, or central point of contact for Members themselves. You mentioned political groups, Llywydd, but what consideration has the Commission seriously given to how safeguarding arrangements for Members and their support staff could be strengthened, including through that mandatory training I mentioned and clearer procedures to ensure that everyone knows how to raise concerns and that both the people we represent and those working to represent them are properly protected? Diolch, Lywydd. Mae canllawiau'r Comisiwn ei hun yn dweud yn glir, er bod diogelu'n gyfrifoldeb i bawb, fod ganddo swyddogion diogelu wedi'u dynodi sy'n gweithredu fel pwynt cyswllt canolog ar gyfer rheoli pryderon. Mae hyn yn arfer safonol. Fodd bynnag, Aelodau unigol sy'n gyfrifol am drefniadau diogelu yn eu swyddfeydd eu hunain, ac er bod y Comisiwn yn cynghori Aelodau a'u staff i adlewyrchu ei bolisi diogelu, nid oes strwythur diogelu cyfatebol mewn gwirionedd na phwynt cyswllt canolog i'r Aelodau eu hunain. Fe wnaethoch chi sôn am grwpiau gwleidyddol, Lywydd, ond pa ystyriaeth y mae'r Comisiwn wedi'i roi o ddifrif i sut y gellid cryfhau trefniadau diogelu ar gyfer Aelodau a'u staff cymorth, gan gynnwys drwy'r hyfforddiant gorfodol a grybwyllais a gweithdrefnau cliriach i sicrhau bod pawb yn gwybod sut i godi pryderon a bod y bobl gynrychiolwn a'r rhai sy'n gweithio i'w cynrychioli yn cael eu diogelu'n briodol? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780648 208 En 2026-10-21T15:22:53 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=6775&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=6775&l=cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Diolch yn fawr. I think I've mentioned the point in terms of mandatory training. Members are elected office holders, so we cannot formally mandate training for Members, but you rightly raise the issue of the role of group offices. In the interests of their Members and their staff, we've stressed how critical we see these opportunities that are provided. If it is of help to Members, once again, I can happily write out to Members and business managers to explain to them how they can direct their Members to safeguarding training. The safeguarding policy statement is on the hwb online and includes, by the way, matters such as appointing a safeguarding lead, safer recruitment, secure record keeping, reporting arrangements, safe physical and digital environments, and much more as well. So, we're providing every possible opportunity that there can be, both for Members' benefit and for their staff's benefit. I'll take away and consider, Sera, from the question whether it would be helpful to write out once again to business managers and Members to remind them of how they can do this. Diolch yn fawr. Rwy'n credu fy mod wedi sôn am y pwynt ynghylch hyfforddiant gorfodol. Mae Aelodau'n ddeiliaid swyddi etholedig, felly ni allwn orfodi hyfforddiant ar gyfer Aelodau yn ffurfiol, ond rydych chi'n iawn i godi mater rôl swyddfeydd y grwpiau. Er budd eu Haelodau a'u staff, rydym wedi pwysleisio pa mor hanfodol yr ystyriwn y cyfleoedd a ddarperir. Os yw o gymorth i Aelodau, unwaith eto, rwy'n hapus i ysgrifennu at Aelodau a rheolwyr busnes i esbonio iddynt sut y gallant gyfeirio eu Haelodau at hyfforddiant diogelu. Mae'r datganiad polisi diogelu ar yr hwb ar-lein, a gyda llaw, mae'n cynnwys materion fel penodi arweinydd diogelu, recriwtio mwy diogel, cadw cofnodion diogel, trefniadau adrodd, amgylcheddau ffisegol a digidol diogel, a llawer mwy hefyd. Felly, rydym yn darparu pob cyfle posibl, er budd yr Aelodau ac er budd eu staff. Yn sgil y cwestiwn, Sera, fe wnaf ystyried a fyddai'n ddefnyddiol ysgrifennu unwaith eto at reolwyr busnes ac Aelodau i'w hatgoffa sut y gallant wneud hyn. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780673 209 En 2026-10-21T15:24:05 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=6847&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=6847&l=cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 12175 12175 Shav Taj AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12175 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12175 Taj, Shav As Sera clearly points out, Welsh Government policy is very clear that safeguarding is everyone's responsibility. So, if safeguarding training is expected across so many other areas of public service, why should those seeking help from their elected representatives expect anything less? Therefore, does the Commission agree that safeguarding training is essential not only to help Members and their staff recognise the signs of abuse, neglect or exploitation, but also to give the public confidence that they will be treated safely, fairly and consistently by any Member, as elected representatives, and their staff, of course, too? Fel y mae Sera'n nodi'n glir, mae polisi Llywodraeth Cymru yn glir iawn fod diogelu'n gyfrifoldeb i bawb. Felly, os disgwylir hyfforddiant diogelu ar draws cymaint o feysydd eraill o wasanaeth cyhoeddus, pam y dylai'r rhai sy'n ceisio cymorth gan eu cynrychiolwyr etholedig ddisgwyl unrhyw beth yn llai na hynny? Felly, a yw'r Comisiwn yn cytuno bod hyfforddiant diogelu yn hanfodol nid yn unig i helpu Aelodau a'u staff i adnabod arwyddion camdriniaeth, esgeulustod neu ecsbloetio, ond hefyd i roi hyder i'r cyhoedd y byddant yn cael eu trin yn ddiogel, yn deg ac yn gyson gan unrhyw Aelod, fel cynrychiolwyr etholedig, a'u staff hefyd wrth gwrs? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780677 210 En 2026-10-21T15:24:44 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=6886&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=6886&l=cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Yes, we've stressed—I stressed in my opening remarks—how we consider that this training that we offer is vital. It really is. And it's also vital for the protection of the individual Members as well, because they know that if they've undertaken the training, they are better protected themselves, and so are their staff. And also the public then can have confidence. But, again, I come back to the point here: we can do a lot through business managers, we can do a lot through individual Members. We are making this very easily accessible to Members, but perhaps I could stress how critical this training is, to then appeal to all Members and business managers to take it back to their groups and encourage their Members to do it. Rydym wedi pwysleisio—fe bwysleisiais i yn fy sylwadau agoriadol—sut rydym yn ystyried bod yr hyfforddiant a gynigiwn yn hanfodol. Mae'n wir. Ac mae hefyd yn hanfodol ar gyfer diogelu'r Aelodau unigol hefyd, oherwydd maent yn gwybod os ydynt wedi gwneud yr hyfforddiant, eu bod wedi'u diogelu'n well eu hunain, a'u staff hefyd. A gall y cyhoedd fod â hyder wedyn. Ond unwaith eto, rwy'n dod yn ôl at y pwynt: gallwn wneud llawer trwy reolwyr busnes, gallwn wneud llawer trwy Aelodau unigol. Rydym yn gwneud hyn yn hawdd iawn i Aelodau, ond efallai y caf bwysleisio pa mor hanfodol yw'r hyfforddiant hwn, ac apelio wedyn ar yr holl Aelodau a rheolwyr busnes i fynd ag ef yn ôl at eu grwpiau ac annog eu Haelodau i'w wneud. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780610 211 En 2026-10-21T15:25:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=6902&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=6902&l=cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780622 212 Cy 2026-10-21T00:00:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=-48598&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=-48598&l=en 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780623 213 Cy 2026-10-21T15:25:27 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=6929&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=6929&l=en 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780624 214 Cy 2026-10-21T15:25:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=6902&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=6902&l=en 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780634 215 Cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission B Gwaith Adnewyddu yn Nhŷ Hywel Tŷ Hywel Renovations 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780635 216 Cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission O 212 212 Janet Finch-Saunders AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=212 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=212 Finch-Saunders, Janet 5. A wnaiff y Comisiwn nodi costau'r gofod swyddfa dros dro i staff yn ystod y gwaith adnewyddu yn Nhŷ Hywel? OQ64763 5. Will the Commission set out the costs of the temporary office space for staff during the Tŷ Hywel renovations? OQ64763 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780636 217 En 2026-10-21T15:25:36 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=6938&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=6938&l=cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 8579 8579 Peredur Owen Griffiths AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8579 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8579 Commissioner Comisiynydd Griffiths, Peredur Owen Diolch yn fawr, Janet, for your question. The Commission is currently in discussion with landlords in the Cardiff Bay area to secure suitable temporary accommodation while the refurbishment of Tŷ Hywel takes place. Clearly, there will be costs involved. These include rent, fitting out the offices, service charges, utilities, and any costs associated with returning the buildings at the end of leases. Those costs are still being negotiated, so I'm not in a position to give you a precise figure at this point in time, but I think it's important to point out here that moving Members and staff out of Tŷ Hywel will allow for refurbishment to be completed much more quickly, and that brings significant savings as well. In fact, all the options we're currently considering are expected to be at least cost neutral compared with keeping Members in Tŷ Hywel while work takes place. So, I want to reassure you, Janet, that we're looking carefully at the costs, with value for money very much at the heart of our considerations. Diolch yn fawr am eich cwestiwn, Janet. Ar hyn o bryd mae'r Comisiwn mewn trafodaethau gyda landlordiaid yn ardal Bae Caerdydd i sicrhau llety dros dro addas tra bod gwaith adnewyddu Tŷ Hywel yn digwydd. Yn amlwg, bydd costau ynghlwm wrth hynny. Mae'r rhain yn cynnwys rhent, gwaith gosod y swyddfeydd, taliadau gwasanaeth, cyfleustodau, ac unrhyw gostau sy'n gysylltiedig â dychwelyd yr adeiladau ar ddiwedd lesoedd. Mae'r costau hynny'n dal i gael eu negodi, felly nid wyf mewn sefyllfa i roi ffigur manwl gywir i chi ar hyn o bryd, ond credaf ei bod yn bwysig nodi yma y bydd symud Aelodau a staff allan o Dŷ Hywel yn caniatáu i'r gwaith adnewyddu gael ei gwblhau'n gyflymach o lawer, ac mae hynny'n sicrhau arbedion sylweddol hefyd. Mewn gwirionedd, disgwylir i'r holl opsiynau rydym yn eu hystyried ar hyn o bryd fod yn niwtral o ran cost fan lleiaf o'i gymharu â chadw Aelodau yn Nhŷ Hywel tra bod y gwaith yn digwydd. Felly, rwyf am eich sicrhau, Janet, ein bod yn edrych yn ofalus ar y costau, gyda gwerth am arian yn ganolog yn ein hystyriaethau. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780639 218 En 2026-10-21T15:26:34 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=6996&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=6996&l=cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 212 212 Janet Finch-Saunders AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=212 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=212 Finch-Saunders, Janet Diolch. Over 500 Commission staff work in Tŷ Hywel, and then, of course, you do have the 96 Members and our members of staff. The refurbishment of Tŷ Hywel is set to last approximately three years. We've only got three and a half years left of this current term. These refurbishments, complete, are set to cost around £42 million, but with the relocation and decanting of this high number of staff and Members, it is bound to be a very costly exercise. You could even have duplication. You could have a situation where you're keeping all the lights and all the heating going in this building whilst it's being refurbed, and we're paying those heating costs—a duplication of costs. This at a time when people are facing so many increased costs of living themselves within their families. As a previous proud Conservative Commissioner, it is true, and it should be on record, that I opposed such a massive spend of taxpayers' money, because I believe that it is taxpayers' money that's being spent, and it is vital that we are as transparent as possible. Diolch. Mae dros 500 o staff y Comisiwn yn gweithio yn Nhŷ Hywel, ac yna, wrth gwrs, mae gennych y 96 Aelod a'n haelodau staff. Disgwylir i'r gwaith o adnewyddu Tŷ Hywel bara tua thair blynedd. Dim ond tair blynedd a hanner sydd gennym ar ôl o'r tymor presennol hwn. Disgwylir i'r gwaith adnewyddu, wedi'i gwblhau, gostio tua £42 miliwn, ond gydag adleoli a dadleoli'r nifer uchel hwn o staff ac Aelodau, mae'n sicr y bydd yn ymarfer costus iawn. Gallech hyd yn oed gael dyblygu. Gallech gael sefyllfa lle rydych chi'n cadw'r holl oleuadau a'r holl wres i fynd yn yr adeilad hwn tra'i fod yn cael ei adnewyddu, a byddwn yn talu'r costau gwresogi hynny—yn dyblygu costau. A hyn ar adeg pan fo pobl yn wynebu cymaint o gostau byw eu hunain yn eu teuluoedd. Fel cyn Gomisiynydd Ceidwadol balch, mae'n wir, a dylai fod wedi'i gofnodi, fy mod wedi gwrthwynebu gwariant mor enfawr o arian trethdalwyr, oherwydd rwy'n credu mai arian trethdalwyr sy'n cael ei wario, ac mae'n hanfodol ein bod mor dryloyw â phosibl. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780643 219 En 2026-10-21T15:27:47 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=7069&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=7069&l=cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Can we have the question, please? A gawn ni'r cwestiwn, os gwelwch yn dda? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780647 220 En 2026-10-21T15:27:49 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=7071&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=7071&l=cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 212 212 Janet Finch-Saunders AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=212 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=212 Finch-Saunders, Janet Yes, it’s coming right now. Will the Commissioner commit to providing a complete and transparent breakdown of these ever-increasing costings as the plans progress? Diolch. Cewch, mae'n dod nawr. A wnaiff y Comisiynydd ymrwymo i ddarparu dadansoddiad cyflawn a thryloyw o'r costau cynyddol hyn wrth i'r cynlluniau fynd rhagddynt? Diolch. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780652 221 En 2026-10-21T15:28:07 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=7089&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=7089&l=cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 8579 8579 Peredur Owen Griffiths AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8579 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8579 Griffiths, Peredur Owen Diolch, Janet, for your supplementary question, and I appreciate the importance of keeping costs to a minimum, particularly when we're talking about temporary accommodation. I think, in my initial answer, I did state that what we currently expect is for it to be at least cost neutral, if we were to stay in Tŷ Hywel or to move out, because, obviously, the timescale of the project would be reduced because contractors could get on with the work. So, that's certainly under consideration at the moment. And whilst we're still in commercially sensitive negotiations on the precise costs, I want to assure you that it's about delivering the project most efficiently, minimising disruption and securing the best possible value for public money. And all those details will be available in due course, once those negotiations have been finalised. Diolch am eich cwestiwn atodol, Janet, ac rwy'n gwerthfawrogi pwysigrwydd cadw costau mor isel â phosibl, yn enwedig pan fyddwn yn siarad am adeilad dros dro. Yn fy ateb cychwynnol, rwy'n credu fy mod wedi dweud mai'r hyn a ddisgwyliwn ar hyn o bryd yw iddo fod yn niwtral o ran cost fan lleiaf, pe baem yn aros yn Nhŷ Hywel neu'n symud allan, oherwydd, yn amlwg, byddai amserlen y prosiect yn fyrrach oherwydd gallai contractwyr barhau â'r gwaith. Felly, mae hynny'n sicr yn cael ei ystyried ar hyn o bryd. Ac er ein bod yn dal i fod mewn trafodaethau masnachol sensitif ar yr union gostau, rwyf am eich sicrhau ei fod yn ymwneud â chyflawni'r prosiect yn fwyaf effeithlon, gan leihau aflonyddwch a sicrhau'r gwerth gorau posibl am arian cyhoeddus. A bydd yr holl fanylion hynny ar gael maes o law, pan fydd y trafodaethau hynny wedi'u cwblhau. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780659 222 En 2026-10-21T15:29:10 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=7152&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=7152&l=cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 12173 12173 Nick Carter AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12173 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12173 Carter, Nick Firstly, I should declare an interest in so far as I've spent over 30 years working in the commercial property market. I fully understand that a decision needs to be made on the future of Tŷ Hywel, and that during the sixth Senedd, under the previous Welsh Government, the current proposal for Bay 32 was agreed by the Commission to be significantly cheaper than the only other alternative. Doing nothing is not an option and, unfortunately, it looks like it will fall on Members of this Senedd to deal with the issues around Tŷ Hywel's lease expiring. Therefore, I think that it is important that every Member recognises the potential disruption coming next summer, based on the current programme, as our offices are moved offsite for the rest of the Senedd term. So, before the final decision is made, can more detailed proposals be presented to Members on the temporary relocation plan, especially on how our new offices will be arranged, and how they will link with this Siambr, so that the implications for our work here can be fully understood? Yn gyntaf, dylwn ddatgan buddiant i'r graddau fy mod wedi treulio dros 30 mlynedd yn gweithio yn y farchnad eiddo masnachol. Rwy'n deall yn iawn fod angen gwneud penderfyniad ar ddyfodol Tŷ Hywel, ac yn ystod y chweched Senedd, o dan Lywodraeth Cymru flaenorol, cytunodd y Comisiwn fod y cynnig presennol ar gyfer Bae 32 gryn dipyn yn rhatach na'r unig ddewis arall. Nid yw gwneud dim yn opsiwn ac yn anffodus, mae'n edrych yn debyg mai Aelodau'r Senedd hon fydd yn gorfod delio â'r materion sy'n codi o'r ffaith bod les Tŷ Hywel yn dod i ben. Felly, credaf ei bod yn bwysig fod pob Aelod yn cydnabod yr aflonyddwch posibl sy'n dod yr haf nesaf, yn seiliedig ar y rhaglen bresennol, wrth i'n swyddfeydd gael eu symud oddi ar y safle am weddill tymor y Senedd. Felly, cyn i'r penderfyniad terfynol gael ei wneud, a ellir cyflwyno cynigion mwy manwl i'r Aelodau ar y cynllun adleoli dros dro, yn enwedig ar y ffordd y caiff ein swyddfeydd newydd eu trefnu, a sut y byddant yn cysylltu â'r Siambr hon, fel y gellir deall y goblygiadau i'n gwaith yma'n llawn? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780613 223 En 2026-10-21T15:30:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=7202&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=7202&l=cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780664 224 Cy 2026-10-21T15:33:01 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=7383&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=7383&l=en 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780646 225 Cy 2026-10-21T15:31:24 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=7286&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=7286&l=en 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780637 226 En 2026-10-21T15:30:05 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=7207&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=7207&l=cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 8579 8579 Peredur Owen Griffiths AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8579 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8579 Griffiths, Peredur Owen Diolch, Nick. I think that's a very fair point. I absolutely recognise the concerns that Members will have about the potential disruption to work. The original intention was to keep Members in Tŷ Hywel while the refurbishment took place, precisely to minimise those disruptions. However, having tested the options carefully, it became clear that the risks from noise, vibration, dust and potential delays were simply too great. We could have ended up with far more disruption and much less certainty for Members and for staff. We're now working to secure high-quality alternative accommodation very close to the Senedd, which will retain the full range of support services that Members need to do their jobs efficiently. Importantly, moving everyone out temporarily will also allow for refurbishment work to progress much more quickly. The savings from that should at least offset the additional accommodation costs and could potentially deliver an overall saving. A detailed relocation plan is being developed, and I agree with Nick that Members need to understand exactly what those arrangements will mean for them and their staff. Our priority must be to make the transition as smooth as possible, minimise disruption to the work of the Senedd, and ensure that Members can return to a refurbished Tŷ Hywel under the current programme by April 2030. Diolch, Nick. Credaf fod hwnnw'n bwynt teg iawn. Rwy'n llwyr gydnabod y pryderon a fydd gan yr Aelodau ynglŷn â'r tarfu posibl ar eu gwaith. Y bwriad gwreiddiol oedd cadw'r Aelodau yn Nhŷ Hywel tra bo'r gwaith adnewyddu'n mynd rhagddo er mwyn lleihau'r tarfu hwnnw. Fodd bynnag, ar ôl profi'r opsiynau'n ofalus, daeth yn amlwg fod y perygl o sŵn, dirgryndod, llwch ac oedi posibl yn ormod. Gallem wynebu llawer mwy o darfu a llawer llai o sicrwydd i'r Aelodau ac i'r staff yn y pen draw. Rydym yn gweithio nawr i sicrhau adeilad amgen o ansawdd uchel yn agos iawn at y Senedd, a fydd yn cadw'r ystod lawn o wasanaethau cymorth sydd eu hangen ar Aelodau i wneud eu gwaith yn effeithlon. Yn bwysig, bydd symud pawb allan dros dro hefyd yn caniatáu i waith adnewyddu fynd rhagddo'n llawer cyflymach. Dylai'r arbedion o hynny o leiaf wrthbwyso costau ychwanegol yr adeilad, a gallai arwain o bosibl at arbediad cyffredinol. Mae cynllun adleoli manwl yn cael ei ddatblygu, ac rwy'n cytuno â Nick fod angen i'r Aelodau ddeall beth yn union fydd y trefniadau hynny'n ei olygu iddynt hwy a'u staff. Rhaid inni flaenoriaethu gwneud y cyfnod pontio mor llyfn â phosibl, lleihau'r tarfu ar waith y Senedd, a sicrhau y gall yr Aelodau ddychwelyd i Dŷ Hywel wedi'i adnewyddu o dan y rhaglen bresennol erbyn mis Ebrill 2030. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780649 227 Cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission B Mannau Manwerthu'r Senedd Senedd Retail Outlets 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780650 228 Cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission O 12146 12146 Joe Martin AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12146 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12146 Martin, Joe 6. Beth yw proses y Comisiwn ar gyfer penderfynu pa eitemau sydd ar gael i'w gwerthu i'r cyhoedd ym mannau manwerthu'r Senedd? OQ64769 6. What is the Commission's process for deciding what is available for sale to the public from Senedd retail outlets? OQ64769 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780651 229 En 2026-10-21T15:31:34 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=7296&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=7296&l=cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Commission officials are responsible for deciding what products are available in the Senedd shop. Products stocked are regularly reviewed and updated. Goods for sale in the shop range from, but are not exclusive to, branded souvenirs, local artisan goods, Welsh food and drink, and products that inform and engage on a broad range of topics. A comprehensive review to inform a refreshed shop strategy has been under way since July and has included support from an independent retail consultant. A refreshed shop strategy will go to Commissioners for consideration in the coming months. Swyddogion y Comisiwn sy'n gyfrifol am benderfynu pa gynhyrchion sydd ar gael yn siop y Senedd. Caiff y cynhyrchion a gaiff eu stocio eu hadolygu a'u diweddaru'n rheolaidd. Mae nwyddau sydd ar werth yn y siop yn amrywio o, ond heb fod yn gyfyngedig i, swfenîrs wedi'u brandio, nwyddau artisan lleol, bwyd a diod o Gymru, a chynhyrchion sy'n darparu gwybodaeth ac yn gysylltiedig ag ystod eang o bynciau. Mae adolygiad cynhwysfawr i lywio strategaeth wedi'i hadnewyddu ar gyfer y siop wedi bod ar y gweill ers mis Gorffennaf ac mae wedi cynnwys cefnogaeth gan ymgynghorydd manwerthu annibynnol. Bydd strategaeth wedi'i hadnewyddu ar gyfer y siop yn dod gerbron y Comisiynwyr i'w hystyried yn y misoedd nesaf. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780657 230 En 2026-10-21T15:32:10 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=7332&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=7332&l=cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 12146 12146 Joe Martin AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12146 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12146 Martin, Joe Thank you, Commissioner. In the Welsh Parliament's bookshop, there are several books that promote the immensely harmful trans ideology to children. This is all the more concerning given that the Welsh Government supports children's access to puberty blockers. Children can't be born in the wrong body and they shouldn't be injected with cross-sex hormones. Those two statements should not be controversial. Commissioner, will you have those books removed from the Welsh Parliament's bookshop?  Diolch, Gomisiynydd. Yn siop lyfrau Senedd Cymru, mae sawl llyfr sy'n hyrwyddo'r ideoleg draws hynod niweidiol i blant. Mae hyn yn fwy annifyr byth o ystyried bod Llywodraeth Cymru yn cefnogi mynediad i blant at feddyginiaeth atal y glasoed. Ni all plant gael eu geni yn y corff anghywir ac ni ddylid eu chwistrellu â hormonau croesrywiol. Ni ddylai'r ddau ddatganiad hwnnw fod yn ddadleuol. Gomisiynydd, a wnewch chi gael gwared ar y llyfrau hynny o siop lyfrau Senedd Cymru? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780660 231 En 2026-10-21T15:32:33 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=7355&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=7355&l=cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Like most parliamentary gift shops, the Senedd shop sells a broad mix of products. We're always looking for ways to improve the gift shop and we welcome Members' and customers' feedback. But the Senedd Commission is also firmly committed to advancing diversity and inclusion, ensuring that the Senedd is welcoming and accessible and representative of the people of Wales. So, it's no surprise that that approach may be reflected in some of the items available for purchase. Fel y rhan fwyaf o siopau anrhegion seneddol, mae siop y Senedd yn gwerthu amrywiaeth eang o gynhyrchion. Rydym bob amser yn chwilio am ffyrdd o wella'r siop anrhegion ac rydym yn croesawu adborth gan Aelodau a chwsmeriaid. Ond mae Comisiwn y Senedd hefyd wedi ymrwymo'n gadarn i hyrwyddo amrywiaeth a chynhwysiant, gan sicrhau bod y Senedd yn groesawgar ac yn hygyrch ac yn cynrychioli pobl Cymru. Felly, nid yw'n syndod y gallai'r ymagwedd honno gael ei hadlewyrchu yn rhai o'r eitemau sydd ar gael i'w prynu. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780665 232 Cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission B Dyfodol Tŷ Hywel The Future of Tŷ Hywel 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780666 233 Cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission O 8696 8696 Steve Bayliss AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8696 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8696 Bayliss, Steve 7. A wnaiff y Comisiwn gyhoeddi'r arfarniad o gostau oes gyfan ac opsiynau ar gyfer dyfodol Tŷ Hywel cyn llofnodi unrhyw gontractau rhwymol pellach? OQ64760 7. Will the Commission publish the whole-life costs and options appraisal for the future of Tŷ Hywel before signing any further binding contracts? OQ64760 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780667 234 En 2026-10-21T15:33:17 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=7399&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=7399&l=cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 8579 8579 Peredur Owen Griffiths AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8579 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8579 Griffiths, Peredur Owen Diolch, Steve, for your question. The Commission has undertaken a public, open and competitive procurement process to look at the options available to us when the current lease of Tŷ Hywel comes to an end in 2032. Throughout that process, value for money has been absolutely central to our considerations. We've looked not just at immediate costs, but at the longer term financial implications of each option, including the cost of doing the bare minimum and remaining in Tŷ Hywel under the current arrangements. That work identified the options we're now taking forward as offering the best value for money and at a considerable margin. The final financial details are still being worked through and will form part of the full business case, which will inform the Commission's decision in December on whether to proceed. I fully appreciate that the Member will want to see those figures, and rightly so. However, we're dealing with commercially sensitive information, and publishing it before contracts are signed could undermine our negotiating position. But I want to reassure Members that we will share that information with them as soon as we're in a position to do so.  Diolch am eich cwestiwn, Steve. Mae'r Comisiwn wedi cynnal proses gaffael gyhoeddus, agored a chystadleuol i edrych ar yr opsiynau sydd ar gael i ni pan ddaw les bresennol Tŷ Hywel i ben yn 2032. Drwy gydol y broses honno, mae gwerth am arian wedi bod yn gwbl ganolog i'n hystyriaethau. Rydym wedi edrych nid yn unig ar gostau uniongyrchol, ond ar oblygiadau ariannol mwy hirdymor pob opsiwn, gan gynnwys cost gwneud cyn lleied â phosibl ac aros yn Nhŷ Hywel o dan y trefniadau presennol. Nododd y gwaith hwnnw yr opsiynau rydym yn bwrw ymlaen â nhw nawr fel y rhai sy'n cynnig y gwerth gorau am arian o gryn dipyn. Mae'r manylion ariannol terfynol yn dal i gael eu cyfrifo, a byddant yn rhan o'r achos busnes llawn, a fydd yn llywio penderfyniad y Comisiwn ym mis Rhagfyr i weld a ddylid bwrw ymlaen. Rwy'n derbyn yn llwyr y bydd yr Aelod eisiau gweld y ffigurau hynny, ac yn briodol felly. Fodd bynnag, rydym yn delio â gwybodaeth sy'n sensitif yn fasnachol, a gallai ei chyhoeddi cyn llofnodi contractau danseilio ein safbwynt negodi. Ond hoffwn roi sicrwydd i'r Aelodau y byddwn yn rhannu'r wybodaeth honno gyda nhw cyn gynted ag y byddwn mewn sefyllfa i wneud hynny. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780678 235 En 2026-10-21T15:34:20 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=7462&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=7462&l=cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 8696 8696 Steve Bayliss AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8696 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8696 Bayliss, Steve Thank you for that. This decision will commit public money for decades, and Members need to see the figures before the Commission commits to the deal. On 8 October, officials told the Finance Committee that the business case uses a 50-year appraisal period. The Commission has also confirmed a right to renew the existing Tŷ Hywel lease for a further 25 years. That option must be tested on a like-for-like basis against the preferred proposal. Will the Commissioner publish a comparison of the whole-life costs of both options, covering rent, refurbishment, temporary accommodation and maintenance? Will it use the same appraisal period and set out the assumptions made beyond the renewal term? And will Members have sufficient time to scrutinise that comparison before any further binding contractual commitment is made? Diolch.  Diolch. Bydd y penderfyniad hwn yn ymrwymo arian cyhoeddus am ddegawdau, ac mae angen i'r Aelodau weld y ffigurau cyn i'r Comisiwn ymrwymo i'r cytundeb. Ar 8 Hydref, dywedodd swyddogion wrth y Pwyllgor Cyllid fod yr achos busnes yn defnyddio cyfnod gwerthuso o 50 mlynedd. Mae'r Comisiwn hefyd wedi cadarnhau hawl i adnewyddu les bresennol Tŷ Hywel am 25 mlynedd arall. Rhaid profi'r opsiwn hwnnw ar sail debyg am debyg yn erbyn y cynnig a ffefrir. A wnaiff y Comisiynydd gyhoeddi cymhariaeth o gostau oes gyfan y ddau opsiwn, gan gynnwys rhent, gwaith adnewyddu, adeilad dros dro a chynnal a chadw? A fydd yn defnyddio'r un cyfnod gwerthuso ac yn nodi'r rhagdybiaethau a wnaed y tu hwnt i'r tymor adnewyddu? Ac a fydd gan yr Aelodau ddigon o amser i graffu ar y gymhariaeth honno cyn gwneud unrhyw ymrwymiad cytundebol rhwymol pellach? Diolch. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780656 236 En 2026-10-21T15:35:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=7502&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=7502&l=cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780661 237 En 2026-10-21T15:35:19 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=7521&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=7521&l=cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 8579 8579 Peredur Owen Griffiths AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8579 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8579 Griffiths, Peredur Owen Diolch for that supplementary question. I fully appreciate that Members want the reassurance that we're getting the best value for public money, and rightly so. It's also important to recognise that doing nothing is not a cost-free option. Staying in Tŷ Hywel under the current arrangements would mean increasing maintenance costs, significant investment in an ageing building, and potential rent increases.  A full business case will examine all of these costs alongside the proposed development, so that the Commission can make an informed decision in December. It also recognises the importance of transparency, and while we must protect commercially sensitive information during negotiations, we are committed to sharing the financial details with the Finance Committee and Members as soon as we're able to do so.  Diolch am eich cwestiwn atodol. Rwy'n derbyn yn llwyr fod yr Aelodau eisiau'r sicrwydd ein bod yn cael y gwerth gorau am arian cyhoeddus, ac yn briodol felly. Mae hefyd yn bwysig cydnabod nad yw gwneud dim yn opsiwn di-gost. Byddai aros yn Nhŷ Hywel o dan y trefniadau presennol yn golygu costau cynnal a chadw cynyddol, buddsoddiad sylweddol mewn adeilad sy'n heneiddio, a chynnydd posibl mewn rhent. Bydd achos busnes llawn yn archwilio'r holl gostau hyn ochr yn ochr â'r datblygiad arfaethedig, fel y gall y Comisiwn wneud penderfyniad gwybodus ym mis Rhagfyr. Mae hefyd yn cydnabod pwysigrwydd tryloywder, ac er bod yn rhaid inni ddiogelu gwybodaeth sy'n sensitif yn fasnachol yn ystod trafodaethau, rydym wedi ymrwymo i rannu'r manylion ariannol gyda'r Pwyllgor Cyllid a'r Aelodau cyn gynted ag y gallwn wneud hynny. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780668 238 Cy 2026-10-21T15:36:04 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=7566&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=7566&l=en 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Y cwestiwn olaf, cwestiwn 8, Lindsay Whittle.  The final question, question 8, Lindsay Whittle.  16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780670 239 Cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission B Gwaith Allgymorth Outreach Work 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780671 240 Cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission O 518 518 Lindsay Whittle AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=518 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=518 Whittle, Lindsay 8. Sut mae'r Comisiwn yn ymgysylltu ag aelodau o'r cyhoedd yn Blaenau Gwent Caerffili Rhymni i wella gwaith allgymorth a helpu pobl i ddeall beth mae'r Senedd yn ei wneud a sut mae'n effeithio ar eu bywydau? OQ64776 8. How is the Commission engaging with members of the public in Blaenau Gwent Caerffili Rhymni to improve outreach work and help people understand what the Senedd does and how it affects their lives? OQ64776 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780672 241 Cy 2026-10-21T15:36:27 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=7589&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=7589&l=en 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Diolch, Lindsay. Rydym yn cydnabod pa mor bwysig yw gwaith allgymorth cymunedol o ran helpu pobl i ddeall gwaith y Senedd. Yn ystod y flwyddyn ddiwethaf, mae ein tîm addysg ac ymgysylltu â phobl ifanc wedi cyflwyno 29 o sesiynau allgymorth mewn ysgolion, colegau a grwpiau ieuenctid yn yr ardal, gan weithio gyda mwy na 2,000 o bobl ifanc. Mae 11 o sesiynau addysg eraill wedi’u cynnal yma ym Mae Caerdydd, a hynny gyda 337 o bobl ifanc o’r ardal.   Yn ystod cyfnod yr etholiad, fe wnaethom ni waith allgymorth mewn cymunedau ar draws pob etholaeth, gan ddefnyddio sesiynau sydyn a sgyrsiau mewn lleoliadau cymunedol cyfarwydd i ymgysylltu’n uniongyrchol â phobl leol, ateb eu cwestiynau, a gwella’u dealltwriaeth o rôl y Senedd. Roedd hwn yn cynnwys gweithgarwch ym Mlaenau Gwent Caerffili Rhymni. Thank you, Lindsay. We recognise how important community outreach work is in supporting and understanding the work of the Senedd. During the last year, our education and youth engagement team has delivered 29 outreach sessions in schools, colleges and youth groups in the area, working with more than 2,000 young people. A further 11 education sessions have been held here in Cardiff Bay, involving 337 young people from that area.  During the election period, we took our outreach into communities across all constituencies, using pop-ups and conversations in familiar community settings to engage directly with local people, to answer their questions, and to increase understanding of the Senedd's role. This included activity in Blaenau Gwent Caerffili Rhymni.  16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780679 242 Cy 2026-10-21T15:37:32 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=7654&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=7654&l=en 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 518 518 Lindsay Whittle AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=518 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=518 Whittle, Lindsay Diolch am yr ateb, Gomisiynydd, ond rydw i’n gwybod bod teimlad cryf ymysg llawer o bobl yn ein cymunedau ni, o Fryn-mawr a Thredegar, hyd at Gaerffili a Rhymni, a Thorfaen hefyd, bod y Senedd yn teimlo fel rhywbeth sydd 'draw yno yng Nghaerdydd' ac yn bell oddi wrth eu bywydau bob dydd. A fydd y Comisiwn yn ymrwymo i drio cynyddu’r nifer o ymweliadau wyneb yn wyneb—achos mae hynny’n bwysig, dwi’n credu—a phrosiectau allgymorth uniongyrchol yn y meysydd lleol hyn, yn lle dibynnu ar ddeunyddiau digidol yn unig, i sicrhau nad yw pobl leol yn teimlo eu bod wedi eu hanghofio? Thank you for the answer, but I know that there is a strong feeling amongst many people in our communities, from Brynmawr and Tredegar, through to Caerphilly and Rhymney, and Torfaen as well, that the Senedd feels like something that is 'over there in Cardiff' and is far removed from their everyday lives. Will the Commission commit to trying to increase the number of face-to-face visits—because they're so important, I believe—and also try to increase the direct outreach projects in these local areas, rather than relying solely on digital material, to ensure that local people do not feel that they've been forgotten? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780693 243 En 2026-10-21T15:38:31 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=7713&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=7713&l=cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw We've received a fair bit of recognition in the Senedd, actually, for our outreach work. I mentioned in my opening response the 29 outreach sessions within that local area—within your constituency—within the last year. We could always do more, of course, and our team is keen to get out there, and invites Members along as well, because we think Members here, across the Siambr, are an important part of that engagement process.  Rydym wedi cael cryn dipyn o gydnabyddiaeth yn y Senedd am ein gwaith allgymorth. Soniais yn fy ymateb agoriadol am y 29 sesiwn allgymorth yn yr ardal leol honno—yn eich etholaeth chi—yn y flwyddyn ddiwethaf. Gallwn wneud mwy bob amser, wrth gwrs, ac mae ein tîm yn awyddus i fynd allan yno, ac yn gwahodd yr Aelodau hefyd, gan y credwn fod yr Aelodau yma, ar draws y Siambr, yn rhan bwysig o'r broses ymgysylltu honno. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780696 244 Cy 2026-10-21T15:38:57 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=7739&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=7739&l=en 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Mae'n bwysig iawn.  It is very important.  16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780701 245 En 2026-10-21T15:38:59 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=7741&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=7741&l=cy 261021-4 3. Cwestiynau i Gomisiwn y Senedd 3. Questions to the Senedd Commission C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw We'll continue with that. I think it's a very important part of spreading the message and the understanding of what we do here, and how schools can engage, and how their voice can be heard as well, bringing it back to the Siambr. Thank you for the question; it's very helpful indeed.  Byddwn yn parhau â hynny. Rwy'n credu bod hyn yn rhan bwysig iawn o ledaenu'r neges a'r ddealltwriaeth o'r hyn a wnawn yma, a sut y gall ysgolion ymgysylltu, a sut y gellir clywed eu llais hefyd, gan ddod ag ef yn ôl i'r Siambr. Diolch am eich cwestiwn; mae'n ddefnyddiol iawn yn wir. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780707 246 Cy 2026-10-21T15:39:15 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=7757&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=7757&l=en 261021-5 4. Cwestiynau Amserol 4. Topical Questions C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Symudwn ymlaen i eitem 4, cwestiynau amserol. Nick Carter.  We'll move on to item 4, the topical questions. Nick Carter. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780709 247 Cy 261021-5 4. Cwestiynau Amserol 4. Topical Questions B Afon Taf The River Taff 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780710 248 Cy 261021-5 4. Cwestiynau Amserol 4. Topical Questions O 12173 12173 Nick Carter AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12173 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12173 Carter, Nick 1. A wnaiff y Gweinidog Cabinet ddatganiad am y gollyngiad tanwydd eang yn Afon Taf? TQ1507 1. Will the Cabinet Minister make a statement on the widespread fuel leak in the River Taff? TQ1507 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780711 249 En 2026-10-21T15:39:29 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=7771&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=7771&l=cy 261021-5 4. Cwestiynau Amserol 4. Topical Questions C 425 425 Llyr Gruffydd AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=425 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=425 Cabinet Minister for Rural Resilience and Sustainability Y Gweinidog Cabinet dros Wydnwch Gwledig a Chynaliadwyedd Gruffydd, Llyr Diolch yn fawr iawn. Natural Resources Wales has confirmed that the fuel discharge has now stopped, with mitigation measures preventing residual fuel from reaching the River Taff. Clean-up and assessment of potential environmental impacts on the river habitat and wildlife continue, and NRW will of course continue to monitor developments closely.  Diolch yn fawr iawn. Mae Cyfoeth Naturiol Cymru wedi cadarnhau bod y gollyngiad tanwydd bellach ar ben, gyda mesurau lliniaru yn atal tanwydd gweddilliol rhag cyrraedd afon Taf. Mae'r gwaith glanhau ac asesu'r effeithiau amgylcheddol posibl ar gynefinoedd yr afon a bywyd gwyllt yn parhau, a bydd Cyfoeth Naturiol Cymru yn parhau i fonitro datblygiadau'n agos. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780716 250 En 2026-10-21T15:39:49 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=7791&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=7791&l=cy 261021-5 4. Cwestiynau Amserol 4. Topical Questions C 12173 12173 Nick Carter AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12173 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12173 Carter, Nick Cabinet Minister, last Friday evening, residents of Caerdydd Ffynnon Taf in Nantgarw and Taff's Well, as well as communities in Tongwynlais and Gwaelod-y-garth, alerted NRW to a pollution incident in the River Taff, following a toxic leak from GE Aerosapce Wales's engine maintenance plant. We have been told that up to 25,000 litres of kerosene spilled into the river. The impact on people's health and the environmental damage, at least 2 miles downstream, was immediate. Members of the community we have met have spoken of unbearable conditions, which cause headaches, sickness and drowsiness. And then there has been the deadly impact on wildlife and the natural environment all along the river. We have spoken to South Wales Fire and Rescue Service, who were called by NRW, and were first on the scene. They suggested that an incident occurred on the site sometime before they arrived. Finally, we have met with GE Aerospace, who have confirmed that they were the source of the leak and have assured us that the fuel lines have now been isolated to prevent any further spillage. We welcome the ongoing work being undertaken by Natural Resources Wales, Public Health Wales and the emergency services to assess and respond to this extremely serious incident, but many questions remain to be answered. What assurance have you received regarding the volume and chemical make-up of the fuel released, and what further risk is there given that this is an area prone to flooding? What discussions have you had with Natural Resources Wales regarding the next steps being taken around the clean-up operation and habitat restoration, and how long this is likely to last? When can we expect a full and transparent review to identify how, why and when exactly this incident occurred, what safeguards are in place, and what is being done to ensure that this won't happen again? Diolch. Weinidog Cabinet, nos Wener diwethaf, dywedwyd wrth CNC gan drigolion Caerdydd Ffynnon Taf yn Nantgarw a Ffynnon Taf, yn ogystal â chymunedau yn Nhongwynlais a Gwaelod-y-garth, am ddigwyddiad llygredd yn afon Taf, yn dilyn gollyngiad gwenwynig o waith cynnal a chadw injans GE Aerospace Wales. Dywedwyd wrthym fod hyd at 25,000 litr o gerosin wedi gollwng i'r afon. Roedd yr effaith ar iechyd pobl a'r niwed amgylcheddol, o leiaf 2 filltir i lawr yr afon, yn uniongyrchol. Mae aelodau o'r gymuned rydym wedi cyfarfod â nhw wedi sôn am amodau annioddefol, sy'n achosi cur pen, salwch a syrthni. At hynny, bu'r effaith ar fywyd gwyllt a'r amgylchedd naturiol ar hyd yr afon yn angheuol. Rydym wedi siarad â Gwasanaeth Tân ac Achub De Cymru, a gafodd eu galw gan CNC, a nhw oedd y cyntaf i gyrraedd y lleoliad. Fe wnaethant awgrymu bod digwyddiad wedi digwydd ar y safle rywbryd cyn iddynt gyrraedd. Yn olaf, rydym wedi cyfarfod â GE Aerospace, sydd wedi cadarnhau mai nhw oedd ffynhonnell y gollyngiad ac maent wedi rhoi sicrwydd i ni fod y pibellau tanwydd bellach wedi'u hynysu er mwyn atal unrhyw ollyngiadau pellach. Rydym yn croesawu'r gwaith parhaus gan Cyfoeth Naturiol Cymru, Iechyd Cyhoeddus Cymru a'r gwasanaethau brys i asesu ac ymateb i'r digwyddiad hynod ddifrifol hwn, ond mae llawer o gwestiynau'n parhau heb eu hateb. Pa sicrwydd rydych chi wedi'i gael ynghylch cyfaint a chyfansoddiad cemegol y tanwydd a ollyngwyd, a pha risg bellach sydd yna o ystyried bod hon yn ardal sy'n dueddol o gael llifogydd? Pa drafodaethau a gawsoch gyda Cyfoeth Naturiol Cymru ynghylch y camau nesaf sydd i'w cymryd o ran y gwaith glanhau ac adfer cynefinoedd, a pha mor hir y mae hyn yn debygol o bara? Pryd y gallwn ddisgwyl adolygiad llawn a thryloyw i nodi sut, pam a phryd yn union y digwyddodd y digwyddiad hwn, pa fesurau diogelwch sydd ar waith, a beth sy'n cael ei wneud i sicrhau na fydd hyn yn digwydd eto? Diolch. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780669 251 En 2026-10-21T15:40:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=7802&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=7802&l=cy 261021-5 4. Cwestiynau Amserol 4. Topical Questions C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780708 252 En 2026-10-21T15:41:29 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=7891&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=7891&l=cy 261021-5 4. Cwestiynau Amserol 4. Topical Questions C 425 425 Llyr Gruffydd AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=425 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=425 Gruffydd, Llyr Diolch yn fawr for your question—or for your questions, I should say; there are a number of questions there, but rightly need responding to. The first thing I would say is that I have spoken directly with Natural Resources Wales about this significant incident and the ongoing response. I fully recognise the concern that it has caused for local communities and for those with an interest in or an involvement with or living nearby the River Taff. NRW have confirmed to me, as I said in my initial answer, that fuel discharge has now stopped and that current mitigation measures are preventing residual fuel in the tributary from reaching the River Taff, and clean-up and environmental assessments are continuing. You asked about the volume particularly, but also the source and maybe a little bit about the precise circumstances of the release. Those remain matters for NRW's ongoing investigation, but you're right: early reporting made claims that a considerable amount, estimated at up to 25,000 litres, may have been lost into the site's surface water drainage system. But I wouldn't want to present that estimate as some sort of final confirmed figure, because, as I say, investigations continue. For example, my understanding is that the tank could potentially contain that much; it's not clear yet how much was in it. And, of course, not all of it would have found its way into the river—some of it would have been contained or collected on site before reaching there. So, we need to be mindful of that, but, obviously, this will become clearer over time. The pollutant has, though, been identified as kerosene. I've discussed the ongoing response with NRW, and I'll continue to keep closely sighted on developments there. The site operator's specialist contractor, who they brought in very early on, continue recovery and clean-up activity, including maintaining and replacing containment booms, whilst NRW continues to assess the environmental impact. NRW officers have observed impacts on aquatic invertebrates, which may be linked to this incident. The information currently available doesn't provide a firm timescale for completion of the clean-up—which is another question you asked—or any subsequent habitat restoration that might follow as a consequence. Again, I wouldn't want to speculate on that today, but that work is ongoing. NRW will continue to work with the site operator to establish the cause, and they will ensure that all possible steps are taken to prevent further spills. The circumstances of the incident and its environmental impacts remain under investigation, and it would therefore not be appropriate for me to speculate on who is responsible, or anticipate any regulatory or enforcement action that might follow. But, again, I would reiterate—I'm sure, on behalf of everyone here—our thanks to all of those who have been involved in the response effort, which, I have to say, happened promptly and in a very effective manner. Diolch yn fawr am eich cwestiwn—neu am eich cwestiynau, dylwn ddweud; roedd nifer o gwestiynau yno, ond mae angen ymateb iddynt yn briodol. Y peth cyntaf y buaswn yn ei ddweud yw fy mod wedi siarad yn uniongyrchol â Cyfoeth Naturiol Cymru ynglŷn â'r digwyddiad difrifol hwn a'r ymateb parhaus. Rwy'n llwyr gydnabod y pryder y mae wedi'i achosi i gymunedau lleol ac i'r rhai sydd â buddiant yn afon Taf neu sy'n ymwneud â hi neu sy'n byw gerllaw. Mae CNC wedi cadarnhau i mi, fel y dywedais yn fy ateb cychwynnol, fod y gollyngiadau tanwydd bellach ar ben a bod mesurau lliniaru cyfredol yn atal tanwydd gweddilliol yn yr is-afon rhag cyrraedd afon Taf, ac mae'r gwaith glanhau ac asesiadau amgylcheddol yn parhau. Fe ofynnoch chi am y cyfaint yn arbennig, ond hefyd y ffynhonnell ac efallai ychydig am amgylchiadau penodol y gollyngiad. Mae'r rheini'n parhau i fod yn faterion ar gyfer ymchwiliad parhaus CNC, ond rydych chi'n llygad eich lle: roedd adroddiadau cynnar yn honni y gallai cryn dipyn o danwydd, hyd at 25,000 litr yn ôl amcangyfrifon, fod wedi gollwng i system ddraenio dŵr wyneb y safle. Ond ni fuaswn eisiau cyflwyno'r amcangyfrif hwnnw fel rhyw fath o ffigur terfynol wedi'i gadarnhau, oherwydd fel y dywedais, mae'r ymchwiliadau'n parhau. Er enghraifft, fy nealltwriaeth i yw ei bod yn bosibl y gallai'r tanc gynnwys cymaint o danwydd â hynny; nid yw'n glir eto faint oedd ynddo. Ac wrth gwrs, ni fyddai'r cyfan ohono wedi mynd i'r afon—byddai rhywfaint ohono wedi'i atal neu ei gasglu ar y safle cyn cyrraedd yr afon. Felly, mae angen inni fod yn ymwybodol o hynny, ond yn amlwg, bydd hyn yn dod yn gliriach dros amser. Fodd bynnag, cadarnhawyd mai cerosin oedd y llygrydd. Rwyf wedi trafod yr ymateb parhaus gyda CNC, a byddaf yn parhau i gadw llygad barcud ar y datblygiadau yno. Mae contractwr arbenigol gweithredwr y safle, y daethant i mewn â nhw'n gynnar iawn, yn parhau â gweithgarwch adfer a glanhau, gan gynnwys cynnal a chadw ac ailosod bwmau cyfyngu, tra bo CNC yn parhau i asesu'r effaith amgylcheddol. Mae swyddogion CNC wedi nodi effeithiau ar infertebratau dyfrol, a allai fod yn gysylltiedig â'r digwyddiad hwn. Nid yw'r wybodaeth sydd ar gael ar hyn o bryd yn darparu amserlen gadarn ar gyfer cwblhau'r gwaith glanhau—sy'n gwestiwn arall a ofynnwyd gennych—nac unrhyw waith adfer cynefinoedd dilynol a allai ddigwydd o ganlyniad. Unwaith eto, ni fuaswn eisiau dyfalu ynghylch hynny heddiw, ond mae'r gwaith hwnnw'n parhau. Bydd CNC yn parhau i weithio gyda gweithredwr y safle i nodi'r achos, a byddant yn sicrhau bod pob cam posibl yn cael ei gymryd i atal gollyngiadau pellach. Mae amgylchiadau'r digwyddiad a'i effeithiau amgylcheddol yn parhau i fod yn destun ymchwiliad, ac felly ni fyddai'n briodol imi ddyfalu pwy sy'n gyfrifol, na cheisio darogan unrhyw gamau rheoleiddio neu orfodi a allai ddilyn. Ond unwaith eto, rwyf am ailadrodd—ar ran pawb yma, rwy'n siŵr—ein diolch i bawb sydd wedi bod yn rhan o'r ymateb, a ddigwyddodd, rhaid imi ddweud, yn brydlon ac mewn modd effeithiol iawn. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780720 253 En 2026-10-21T15:44:42 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=8084&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=8084&l=cy 261021-5 4. Cwestiynau Amserol 4. Topical Questions C 8696 8696 Steve Bayliss AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8696 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8696 Bayliss, Steve Thank you to the Member for raising this. Cabinet Minister, I spent over 20 years with South Wales Fire and Rescue Service, so I recognise the efforts of crews, Natural Resources Wales officers, and everyone containing pollution. But the facts are deeply concerning: kerosene from GE Aerospace's Nantgarw site has affected around 4 km of the Taff. Dead fish have been recovered, residents have been advised to close windows and doors, and fumes are present. GE Aerospace said it isolated the source on Friday, yet on Monday Natural Resources Wales said it was still investigating the drainage system to stop further pollution. Stopping the original leak is not the same as stopping pollution reaching the river. And this is not the first time; in 2024, pollution from PB Gelatins UK in Treforest killed fish. The outcome announced this June was the enforcement undertaking, including a £50,000 donation and nearly £15,000 in costs. Cabinet Minister, you chaired the committee that reported Natural Resources Wales's own concerns that its fines and sanctions weren't enough to deter polluters. You now oversee Natural Resources Wales. Our Reform manifesto commits us to dismantling and fundamentally restructuring Natural Resources Wales, bringing strategic policy under ministerial oversight while environmental protections continue without interruptions. The public deserve to know what went wrong, who is accountable and who will pay to put it right. So, Cabinet Minister, will you commit to a written statement to this Senedd within 14 days, setting out how much fuel was released, the damage identified so far, the timetable for Natural Resources Wales's investigation and any enforcement decision, and how all legal recoverable costs will be pursued from those found responsible and not the Welsh taxpayer? Diolch. Diolch i'r Aelod am godi hyn. Weinidog Cabinet, treuliais dros 20 mlynedd gyda Gwasanaeth Tân ac Achub De Cymru, felly rwy'n cydnabod ymdrechion criwiau, swyddogion Cyfoeth Naturiol Cymru, a phawb sy'n rheoli llygredd. Ond mae'r ffeithiau'n peri cryn bryder: mae cerosin o safle GE Aerospace yn Nantgarw wedi effeithio ar oddeutu 4 km o afon Taf. Mae pysgod marw wedi'u casglu, mae trigolion wedi cael eu cynghori i gau ffenestri a drysau, ac mae mygdarth yn bresennol. Dywedodd GE Aerospace eu bod wedi ynysu'r ffynhonnell ddydd Gwener, ond ddydd Llun, dywedodd Cyfoeth Naturiol Cymru eu bod yn dal i ymchwilio i'r system ddraenio i atal llygredd pellach. Nid yw atal y gollyngiad gwreiddiol yr un peth ag atal llygredd rhag cyrraedd yr afon. Ac nid dyma'r tro cyntaf; yn 2024, lladdwyd pysgod yn Nhrefforest gan lygredd o PB Gelatins UK. Y canlyniad a gyhoeddwyd ym mis Mehefin eleni oedd yr ymgymeriad gorfodi, gan gynnwys rhodd o £50,000 a bron i £15,000 mewn costau. Weinidog Cabinet, chi oedd cadeirydd y pwyllgor a adroddodd ar bryderon Cyfoeth Naturiol Cymru eu hunain nad oedd eu dirwyon a'u sancsiynau yn ddigon i rwystro llygrwyr. Rydych chi nawr yn goruchwylio Cyfoeth Naturiol Cymru. Mae maniffesto Reform yn ein hymrwymo i ddatgymalu ac ailstrwythuro Cyfoeth Naturiol Cymru yn gyfan gwbl, gan ddod â pholisi strategol o dan oruchwyliaeth weinidogol tra bod amddiffyniadau amgylcheddol yn parhau heb ymyrraeth. Mae'r cyhoedd yn haeddu gwybod beth a aeth o'i le, pwy sy'n atebol a phwy fydd yn talu i'w unioni. Felly, Weinidog Cabinet, a wnewch chi ymrwymo i wneud datganiad ysgrifenedig i'r Senedd hon o fewn 14 diwrnod, yn nodi faint o danwydd a ollyngwyd, y niwed a nodwyd hyd yma, yr amserlen ar gyfer ymchwiliad Cyfoeth Naturiol Cymru ac unrhyw benderfyniad gorfodi, a sut y bydd y rhai a geir yn gyfrifol ac nid trethdalwyr Cymru yn talu'r holl gostau cyfreithiol sy'n adenilladwy? Diolch. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780644 254 En 2026-10-21T15:45:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=8102&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=8102&l=cy 261021-5 4. Cwestiynau Amserol 4. Topical Questions C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780676 255 En 2026-10-21T15:46:57 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=8219&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=8219&l=cy 261021-5 4. Cwestiynau Amserol 4. Topical Questions C 425 425 Llyr Gruffydd AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=425 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=425 Gruffydd, Llyr Thank you for the question. Frankly, everything you've asked for is in train. It will be the responsibility of NRW to provide all of that information. On cost recovery, clearly, they will need to establish liability, if there is liability, and then they will proceed in the appropriate manner, either through the courts or whichever way they believe is most appropriate. I have to question, if you dismantle NRW, as you describe it, the question remains, who would actually be dealing with these situations when they arise? Maybe that's something that you may wish to ponder. Diolch am eich cwestiwn. A dweud y gwir, mae popeth rydych chi wedi gofyn amdano ar y gweill. Cyfrifoldeb CNC fydd darparu'r holl wybodaeth honno. Ar adennill costau, yn amlwg, bydd angen iddynt sefydlu atebolrwydd, os oes atebolrwydd, ac yna byddant yn bwrw ymlaen yn y modd priodol, naill ai drwy'r llysoedd neu ba bynnag ffordd y credant sydd fwyaf priodol. Rhaid imi gwestiynu, os byddwch yn datgymalu Cyfoeth Naturiol Cymru, fel rydych chi'n ei ddisgrifio, mae'r cwestiwn yn parhau, pwy fyddai'n delio â'r sefyllfaoedd hyn pan fyddant yn codi? Efallai fod hynny'n rhywbeth y gallech chi fod eisiau ei ystyried. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780680 256 En 2026-10-21T15:47:32 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=8254&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=8254&l=cy 261021-5 4. Cwestiynau Amserol 4. Topical Questions C 12175 12175 Shav Taj AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12175 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12175 Taj, Shav In addition to the questions that have already been raised—this is a constituency that I also represent, Caerdydd Ffynnon Taf—we've seen a number of authorities involved in the immediate response, including Natural Resources Wales and Public Health Wales: could the Minister therefore confirm actually which body is ultimately responsible for co-ordinating clear and effective messaging for the public, and also any signs of warnings in advance? Also, building on what Nick said around safeguarding, what safeguards are in place to make sure that residents who live near the river, and the many, many visitors, of course, to the Taff trail, are informed about the potential health risks before they come into contact with contaminated water? Not everyone looks at Facebook, for example. Not everyone is going to get an alert on their phone. How are we going to make sure that the public know, especially if they've got children or dogs, for example, not to go into the river? Yn ogystal â'r cwestiynau sydd eisoes wedi'u codi—mae hon yn etholaeth rwyf innau hefyd yn ei chynrychioli, Caerdydd Ffynnon Taf—rydym wedi gweld nifer o awdurdodau’n cyfrannu at yr ymateb uniongyrchol, gan gynnwys Cyfoeth Naturiol Cymru ac Iechyd Cyhoeddus Cymru: a wnaiff y Gweinidog gadarnhau felly pa gorff sy’n gyfrifol yn y pen draw am gydgysylltu negeseuon clir ac effeithiol i’r cyhoedd, a hefyd unrhyw arwyddion o rybuddion ymlaen llaw? Hefyd, gan adeiladu ar yr hyn a ddywedodd Nick ynghylch diogelu, pa fesurau diogelu sydd ar waith i sicrhau bod trigolion sy’n byw ger yr afon, a’r nifer fawr o ymwelwyr, wrth gwrs, â Thaith Taf, yn cael gwybod am y risgiau iechyd posibl cyn iddynt ddod i gysylltiad â dŵr halogedig? Nid yw pawb yn edrych ar Facebook, er enghraifft. Nid yw pawb yn mynd i gael rhybudd ar eu ffôn. Sut y gallwn sicrhau bod y cyhoedd yn gwybod, yn enwedig os oes ganddynt blant neu gŵn, er enghraifft, i beidio â mynd i mewn i’r afon? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780687 257 En 2026-10-21T15:48:35 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=8317&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=8317&l=cy 261021-5 4. Cwestiynau Amserol 4. Topical Questions C 425 425 Llyr Gruffydd AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=425 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=425 Gruffydd, Llyr Thank you for those questions. NRW are leading the effort in that environmental context, that is their role, but they are also liaising very closely with Public Health Wales and fire and rescue services as well. In terms of public health, you're right, there have been messages put out there by Public Health Wales; some will see them, others, unfortunately, will not. That's a constant challenge in these situations, and any learning that can be taken from any event is taken on board, I hope, and reflected upon. The advice has been clear. Obviously, if you can smell kerosene, then the advice is to keep windows and doors closed and avoid contact with any affected water—that goes for pets and children particularly. Anyone who does consequently feel unwell or concerned needs to contact NHS Wales 111, and the system will respond to that in the best way it can. I think public bodies have been providing that information as best they can, but there will always be room for improvement in that sphere. Diolch am eich cwestiynau. Mae CNC yn arwain yr ymdrech yn y cyd-destun amgylcheddol hwnnw, dyna yw eu rôl, ond maent hefyd yn cysylltu'n agos iawn ag Iechyd Cyhoeddus Cymru a'r gwasanaethau tân ac achub hefyd. O ran iechyd y cyhoedd, rydych chi'n llygad eich lle, mae negeseuon wedi'u cyhoeddi gan Iechyd Cyhoeddus Cymru; bydd rhai yn eu gweld, ac yn anffodus, ni fydd eraill. Mae honno'n her gyson yn y sefyllfaoedd hyn, ac mae unrhyw wersi y gellir eu dysgu o unrhyw ddigwyddiad yn cael eu nodi, rwy'n gobeithio, a'u hystyried. Mae'r cyngor wedi bod yn glir. Yn amlwg, os gallwch arogli cerosin, y cyngor yw cadw ffenestri a drysau ar gau ac osgoi cysylltiad ag unrhyw ddŵr yr effeithiwyd arno—mae hynny'n wir am anifeiliaid anwes a phlant yn arbennig. Mae angen i unrhyw un sy'n teimlo'n sâl neu'n bryderus o ganlyniad gysylltu â GIG Cymru 111, a bydd y system yn ymateb i hynny yn y ffordd orau y gall. Rwy'n credu bod cyrff cyhoeddus wedi bod yn darparu'r wybodaeth honno cystal ag y gallant, ond mae lle i wella bob amser o ran hynny. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780692 258 En 2026-10-21T15:49:51 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=8393&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=8393&l=cy 261021-5 4. Cwestiynau Amserol 4. Topical Questions C 12176 12176 Paul Rock AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12176 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12176 Rock, Paul I was appalled at the weekend to learn about the kerosene leak from the GE Aerospace site in Nantgarw in my constituency. I'm really concerned about the environmental impact of this pollution as it seeps into the waterways and into the River Taff that runs right through the heart of our city, right down to this place. I understand Natural Resources Wales were made aware of the incident on Friday and have been taking action with fuel-absorbing barriers at the confluence between the tributary and the Taff, but there are some discrepancies between the two organisations' public statements that we've seen. GE Aerospace claimed that the source of the spill was fully identified and isolated on Friday, but NRW have said that they're still seeking to confirm the source. Cabinet Minister, I'm glad to hear that you're being briefed by NRW. Could you confirm whether or not GE Aerospace are fully co-operating with the investigation? Will GE Aerospace be held fully accountable for their failures, which allowed this to happen? And what will be done to assess and remediate impacts on the fish and animals that live in and around the River Taff, and how will that be paid for? Cefais fy mrawychu dros y penwythnos wrth glywed am y gollyngiad cerosin o safle GE Aerospace yn Nantgarw yn fy etholaeth. Rwy'n bryderus iawn ynghylch effaith amgylcheddol y llygredd hwn wrth iddo dreiddio i'r dyfrffyrdd ac i afon Taf sy'n rhedeg drwy galon ein dinas, yr holl ffordd i lawr i'r lle hwn. Rwy'n deall bod Cyfoeth Naturiol Cymru wedi cael gwybod am y digwyddiad ddydd Gwener ac wedi bod yn cymryd camau gyda rhwystrau amsugno tanwydd wrth y cydlifiad rhwng yr is-afon ac afon Taf, ond mae rhai anghysondebau rhwng y datganiadau cyhoeddus a welsom gan y ddau sefydliad. Honnodd GE Aerospace fod ffynhonnell y gollyngiad wedi'i nodi a'i hynysu'n llawn ddydd Gwener, ond mae CNC wedi dweud eu bod yn dal i geisio cadarnhau'r ffynhonnell. Weinidog Cabinet, rwy'n falch o glywed eich bod yn cael eich briffio gan CNC. A allwch chi gadarnhau p'un a yw GE Aerospace yn cydweithredu'n llawn â'r ymchwiliad ai peidio? A fydd GE Aerospace yn cael eu dal yn gwbl atebol am eu methiannau, a ganiataodd i hyn ddigwydd? A beth a wneir i asesu ac i adfer yr effeithiau ar y pysgod a'r anifeiliaid sy'n byw yn ac o amgylch afon Taf, a sut y caiff hynny ei ariannu? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780654 259 En 2026-10-21T15:50:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=8402&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=8402&l=cy 261021-5 4. Cwestiynau Amserol 4. Topical Questions C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780675 260 En 2026-10-21T15:51:03 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=8465&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=8465&l=cy 261021-5 4. Cwestiynau Amserol 4. Topical Questions C 425 425 Llyr Gruffydd AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=425 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=425 Gruffydd, Llyr Look, until the investigations have been completed, I am loath to point the finger as much as Members would like me to. Clearly, where liability is identified—let's put it that way—then NRW will take appropriate action. That is their role and that is what we all expect of them. In terms of seeking the source of the incident, my understanding is that whilst maybe it had been identified early on, once it was in the drainage system, which can be very complex, it's very difficult then to know exactly where that goes. So, maybe there's a bit of confusion around the source as opposed to the numbers of ways that that water could actually escape the site. But again, all of this will come out in the wash once the initial response and recovery has taken place. There will be a process then to make sure that we look at the results of all of that. In terms of the environmental impact, of course—and that is clearly an important factor here—NRW are waiting for results of samples for biological and ecological investigations. Drone surveys have been conducted so that they can visually assess the impact as well. I am told that 10 dead fish have been recovered from the river as a consequence of this. Ten dead fish. But, of course, impacts on invertebrates will mean greater ecological impacts as well, and I'm not downplaying that for a second. Edrychwch, hyd nes bod yr ymchwiliadau wedi'u cwblhau, rwy'n gyndyn i bwyntio bys i'r graddau y byddai'r Aelodau'n hoffi i mi ei wneud. Yn amlwg, lle nodir atebolrwydd—gadewch inni ei roi felly—bydd CNC yn rhoi camau priodol ar waith. Dyna yw eu rôl a dyna y mae pob un ohonom yn ei ddisgwyl ganddynt. O ran chwilio am ffynhonnell y digwyddiad, er efallai ei fod wedi'i nodi'n gynnar, pan gyrhaeddodd y system ddraenio, a all fod yn gymhleth iawn, fy nealltwriaeth i yw ei bod hi'n anodd iawn gwybod i ble'n union y mae'n mynd. Felly, efallai fod rhywfaint o ddryswch ynghylch y ffynhonnell yn hytrach na nifer y ffyrdd y gallai'r dŵr hwnnw ddianc o'r safle mewn gwirionedd. Ond unwaith eto, bydd hyn oll yn dod i'r amlwg pan fydd yr ymateb cychwynnol a'r gwaith adfer wedi'i gwblhau. Bydd proses wedyn i sicrhau ein bod yn edrych ar ganlyniadau hynny i gyd. O ran yr effaith amgylcheddol, wrth gwrs—ac mae hynny'n amlwg yn ffactor pwysig yma—mae CNC yn aros am ganlyniadau samplau ar gyfer ymchwiliadau biolegol ac ecolegol. Mae arolygon drôn wedi'u cynnal fel y gallant asesu'r effaith yn weledol hefyd. Dywedir wrthyf fod 10 pysgodyn marw wedi'u casglu o'r afon o ganlyniad i hyn. Deg pysgodyn marw. Ond wrth gwrs, bydd effeithiau ar infertebratau yn golygu effeithiau ecolegol mwy hefyd, ac nid wyf yn bychanu hynny am eiliad. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780681 261 Cy 2026-10-21T15:52:46 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=8568&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=8568&l=en 261021-5 4. Cwestiynau Amserol 4. Topical Questions C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Ac yn olaf, Weinidog, Leticia Gonzalez. And finally, Minister, Leticia Gonzalez. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780682 262 En 2026-10-21T15:52:49 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=8571&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=8571&l=cy 261021-5 4. Cwestiynau Amserol 4. Topical Questions C 12155 12155 Leticia Gonzalez AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12155 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12155 Gonzalez, Leticia Thank you, Llywydd. There has been a lot of attention recently on the legacy of industrial contamination in Wales and its devastating impact on local communities and the environment. But this week's shocking news demonstrates that it's not just an issue from our past that we're dealing with, but something from our present too. Can the Cabinet Minister confirm that you're working closely with the Cabinet Minister for health and with Public Health Wales on providing assurance to residents across my constituency of Caerdydd Penarth impacted by this leak? Diolch, Lywydd. Mae llawer o sylw wedi bod yn ddiweddar i waddol halogiad diwydiannol yng Nghymru a'i effaith ddinistriol ar gymunedau lleol a'r amgylchedd. Ond mae newyddion syfrdanol yr wythnos hon yn dangos nad mater o'n gorffennol yn unig rydym yn delio ag ef, ond rhywbeth o'n presennol hefyd. A all y Gweinidog Cabinet gadarnhau eich bod yn gweithio'n agos gyda'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros iechyd ac Iechyd Cyhoeddus Cymru i roi sicrwydd i drigolion ledled fy etholaeth, Caerdydd Penarth, y mae'r gollyngiad hwn wedi effeithio arnynt? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780685 263 En 2026-10-21T15:53:20 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=8602&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=8602&l=cy 261021-5 4. Cwestiynau Amserol 4. Topical Questions C 425 425 Llyr Gruffydd AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=425 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=425 Gruffydd, Llyr Yes. And? [Laughter.] Gallaf. Ac? [Chwerthin.] 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780686 264 En 2026-10-21T15:53:21 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=8603&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=8603&l=cy 261021-5 4. Cwestiynau Amserol 4. Topical Questions C 12155 12155 Leticia Gonzalez AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12155 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12155 Gonzalez, Leticia Sorry. And does the Welsh Government reaffirm its stance on the polluter-pays principle, ensuring that those responsible bear the cost of addressing its remediation? Mae’n ddrwg gennyf. Ac a yw Llywodraeth Cymru yn ailddatgan ei safbwynt ar yr egwyddor mai’r llygrwr sy’n talu, gan sicrhau mai'r rhai sy'n gyfrifol sy'n talu'r costau cyweirio? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780691 265 En 2026-10-21T15:53:32 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=8614&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=8614&l=cy 261021-5 4. Cwestiynau Amserol 4. Topical Questions C 425 425 Llyr Gruffydd AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=425 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=425 Gruffydd, Llyr Yes and yes. And you will note, of course, that the Deputy Minister with responsibility for public health is here to make sure that all of Members' concerns are fully taken on board. This is an ongoing issue, not just particularly in relation to this incident. These are the challenges that we will continually have to face. A changing climate makes that battle more difficult as well, as we experience more extreme weather events, which no doubt will test infrastructure and these kinds of facilities to a greater extent in years to come. It does remind us that we always need to be vigilant, always need to be diligent, and I would encourage, by the way, members of the public to make full use of NRW's hotline. There is a hotline there. People can go to their MSs, they can go and put stuff on social media, but ultimately, if you want a swift response, you need to let NRW know first. That would be another plea of mine today. Diolch. Ydy. Ac fe sylwch, wrth gwrs, fod y Dirprwy Weinidog sy'n gyfrifol am iechyd y cyhoedd yma i sicrhau bod holl bryderon yr Aelodau'n cael eu hystyried yn llawn. Mae hwn yn fater parhaus, ac nid mewn perthynas â'r digwyddiad penodol hwn yn unig. Dyma'r heriau y bydd yn rhaid i ni eu hwynebu'n barhaus. Mae hinsawdd sy'n newid yn gwneud y frwydr honno'n fwy anodd hefyd, wrth inni wynebu digwyddiadau tywydd mwy eithafol, a fydd, heb os, yn profi'r seilwaith a'r mathau hyn o gyfleusterau i raddau mwy yn y blynyddoedd i ddod. Mae'n ein hatgoffa bod angen inni fod yn wyliadwrus bob amser, fod angen inni fod yn ddiwyd bob amser, ac rwyf am annog aelodau'r cyhoedd, gyda llaw, i wneud defnydd llawn o linell gymorth CNC. Mae llinell gymorth ar gael. Gall pobl fynd at eu Haelod o'r Senedd, gallant roi pethau ar y cyfryngau cymdeithasol, ond yn y pen draw, os ydych chi eisiau ymateb cyflym, mae angen ichi roi gwybod i CNC yn gyntaf. Mae honno'n apêl arall gennyf heddiw. Diolch. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780694 266 Cy 2026-10-21T15:54:33 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=8675&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=8675&l=en 261021-5 4. Cwestiynau Amserol 4. Topical Questions C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Diolch yn fawr iawn, Weinidog. Roeddwn i'n disgwyl i chi ratlo off y rhif ffôn am yr hotline yna. [Chwerthin.] Diolch yn fawr iawn. Thank you very much, Cabinet Minister. I was waiting for you to rattle off the phone number for that hotline there. [Laughter.] Thank you very much.  16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780702 267 Cy 2026-10-21T15:54:40 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=8682&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=8682&l=en 261021-6 5. Datganiadau 90 Eiliad 5. 90-second Statements C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Symudwn ymlaen ar gyfer y datganiadau 90 eiliad. Yn gyntaf, Peter Fox. We'll move on now to the 90-second statements. First of all, Peter Fox.  16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780705 268 En 2026-10-21T15:54:48 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=8690&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=8690&l=cy 261021-6 5. Datganiadau 90 Eiliad 5. 90-second Statements C 4787 4787 Peter Fox AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4787 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4787 Fox, Peter Diolch, Ddirprwy Lywydd. I recently had the pleasure of visiting Big Pit National Coal Museum in Blaenavon, where I met with staff and learnt about the excellent work they are doing to preserve and promote Wales's rich industrial heritage. What impressed me most was the museum's commitment not only to protecting our history, but to engaging people of all ages, through education, community outreach and innovative exhibitions. Big Pit continues to play a vital role in ensuring that future generations understand the sacrifices and achievements of those who built our coalfield communities. During my visit, I also had the opportunity to see the Stories from Aberfan exhibition. And as we mark the sixtieth anniversary of the Aberfan disaster today, this exhibition is a poignant and powerful reminder of the 144 lives lost, the devastating impact on the community and the extraordinary courage and resilience shown in the decades since. The personal stories and artefacts on display help ensure that the memory of Aberfan endures and that the lessons of that tragedy are never forgotten. I would like to thank everyone in Big Pit for their dedication to preserving these important stories and sharing them with future generations, and I encourage all people to visit. Diolch, Ddirprwy Lywydd. Yn ddiweddar, cefais y pleser o ymweld ag Amgueddfa Lofaol Cymru Big Pit ym Mlaenafon, lle cyfarfûm â staff a dysgu am y gwaith rhagorol a wnânt i warchod a hyrwyddo treftadaeth ddiwydiannol gyfoethog Cymru. Yr hyn a wnaeth yr argraff fwyaf arnaf oedd ymrwymiad yr amgueddfa nid yn unig i ddiogelu ein hanes, ond i ymgysylltu â phobl o bob oed, drwy addysg, allgymorth cymunedol ac arddangosfeydd arloesol. Mae Big Pit yn parhau i chwarae rhan hanfodol yn sicrhau bod cenedlaethau'r dyfodol yn deall aberth a chyflawniadau'r rhai a adeiladodd ein cymunedau glofaol. Yn ystod fy ymweliad, cefais gyfle hefyd i weld arddangosfa Hanesion Aberfan. Ac wrth inni nodi 60 mlynedd ers trychineb Aberfan heddiw, mae'r arddangosfa hon yn atgof ingol a phwerus o'r 144 o fywydau a gollwyd, yr effaith ddinistriol ar y gymuned a'r dewrder a'r gwydnwch rhyfeddol a ddangoswyd yn y degawdau ers hynny. Mae'r hanesion personol a'r arteffactau yn yr arddangosfa yn helpu i sicrhau bod y cof am Aberfan yn parhau ac nad aiff gwersi'r drasiedi honno byth yn angof. Hoffwn ddiolch i bawb yn Big Pit am eu hymroddiad i ddiogelu'r hanesion pwysig hyn a'u rhannu â chenedlaethau'r dyfodol, ac rwy'n annog pawb i ymweld. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780663 269 En 2026-10-21T15:55:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=8702&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=8702&l=cy 261021-6 5. Datganiadau 90 Eiliad 5. 90-second Statements C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780683 270 Cy 2026-10-21T15:56:10 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=8772&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=8772&l=en 261021-6 5. Datganiadau 90 Eiliad 5. 90-second Statements C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780684 271 En 2026-10-21T15:56:12 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=8774&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=8774&l=cy 261021-6 5. Datganiadau 90 Eiliad 5. 90-second Statements C 330 330 Sera Evans AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=330 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=330 Evans, Sera Last week, I was, along with you and other cross-party colleagues, delighted to welcome Danielle Webb to the Senedd women's caucus. Danielle is an inspirational woman and I am fortunate to call her a friend and know her as a former colleague. As vice-chair of Little People UK, she spoke passionately about her experiences as a little person as part of Dwarfism Awareness Month. She highlighted the everyday challenges that many little people face—as students, when entering employment, commuting or simply navigating spaces that too often fail to accommodate them. There are between 3,000 and 7,000 people with dwarfism in the UK and over 200 different types of dwarfism. Depending on the condition, people may experience significant medical complications, including spinal stenosis, hydrocephalus and arthritis. Diagnosis and treatment can require genetic testing, scans and x-rays, as well as a co-ordinated team of medical specialists. Dwarfism Awareness Month is an opportunity to challenge misconceptions, raise understanding and confront the barriers that people with dwarfism face every day. We must listen to people like Danielle, champion their experiences and ensure our public spaces, workplaces and services are accessible and inclusive. Greater awareness must be matched by practical action so that people with dwarfism can participate fully in every aspect of life in Wales. Diolch. Yr wythnos diwethaf, roeddwn i, ynghyd â chi a chyd-Aelodau trawsbleidiol eraill, yn falch iawn o groesawu Danielle Webb i gawcws menywod y Senedd. Mae Danielle yn fenyw ysbrydoledig ac rwy'n ffodus i'w galw'n ffrind a'i hadnabod fel cyn-gydweithiwr. Fel is-gadeirydd Little People UK, siaradodd yn angerddol am ei phrofiadau fel person bach fel rhan o Fis Ymwybyddiaeth Corachedd. Tynnodd sylw at yr heriau y mae llawer o bobl fach yn eu hwynebu bob dydd—fel myfyrwyr, wrth ddechrau cyflogaeth, cymudo neu symud o gwmpas mannau nad ydynt, yn rhy aml, yn darparu ar eu cyfer. Mae rhwng 3,000 a 7,000 o bobl â chyflwr corachedd yn y DU a dros 200 o wahanol fathau o gyflyrau corachedd. Yn dibynnu ar y cyflwr, gall pobl brofi cymhlethdodau meddygol sylweddol, gan gynnwys stenosis yr asgwrn cefn, hydroseffalws ac arthritis. Gall diagnosis a thriniaeth alw am brofion genetig, sganiau a delweddau pelydr-x, yn ogystal â thîm cydlynol o arbenigwyr meddygol. Mae Mis Ymwybyddiaeth Corachedd yn gyfle i herio camsyniadau, gwella dealltwriaeth ac wynebu'r rhwystrau y mae pobl â chyflyrau corachedd yn eu hwynebu bob dydd. Rhaid inni wrando ar bobl fel Danielle, hyrwyddo eu profiadau a sicrhau bod ein mannau cyhoeddus, ein gweithleoedd a'n gwasanaethau yn hygyrch ac yn gynhwysol. Rhaid i weithredu ymarferol fynd law yn llaw â gwell ymwybyddiaeth er mwyn i bobl â chyflwr corachedd gymryd rhan lawn ym mhob agwedd ar fywyd yng Nghymru. Diolch. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780704 272 En 2026-10-21T15:57:54 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=8876&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=8876&l=cy 261021-6 5. Datganiadau 90 Eiliad 5. 90-second Statements C 12150 12150 Sara Crowley AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12150 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12150 Crowley, Sara Dirprwy Lywydd, this month marks Menopause Awareness Month, and on Sunday just gone, we recognised World Menopause Day. Until recently, when I thought about menopause, I naively pictured what I assume many people do: women of a certain age, hot flushes and many a conversation about the temperature of a room. Perhaps that highlights a lack of appropriate education around menopause growing up. I was wrong, and I'm learning that the hard way. Menopause can cause chronic pain, but also cognitive and mental health challenges that can affect work, relationships and everyday life. And for women who are neurodivergent, in particular those with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, those changes can bring additional challenges that we need to understand and talk about too. We also need to challenge the assumption that menopause only happens to women of a certain age. I want to take this moment to acknowledge premature ovarian insufficiency, or POI—something I had never heard of until I was diagnosed with it at 36. This coming Sunday marks the second-ever World POI Day, which in itself shows how much more awareness and understanding is still needed. Dirprwy Lywydd, I'll say it again: this Chamber works best when we use our time to shine a light on aspects of people's lives that too often go under the radar. So, to those living with menopause and POI, you deserve to be listened to, understood and supported. And during my time here, I will do what I can to make sure these experiences are seen, heard and taken seriously. Diolch yn fawr. Ddirprwy Lywydd, mae'n Fis Ymwybyddiaeth Menopos y mis hwn, a ddydd Sul, fe wnaethom gydnabod Diwrnod Menopos y Byd. Tan yn ddiweddar, pan oeddwn yn meddwl am y menopos, roeddwn i'n dychmygu, yn naïf, yr hyn rwy'n tybio y mae llawer o bobl yn ei ddychmygu: menywod o oedran penodol, chwiwiau poeth a llawer o sgyrsiau am dymheredd ystafell. Efallai fod hynny'n tynnu sylw at ddiffyg addysg briodol ynglŷn â'r menopos wrth dyfu i fyny. Roeddwn yn anghywir, ac rwy'n dysgu hynny y ffordd anodd. Gall y menopos achosi poen cronig, a heriau iechyd gwybyddol a meddyliol hefyd a all effeithio ar waith, perthnasoedd a bywyd bob dydd. Ac i fenywod sy'n niwrowahanol, yn enwedig y rhai sydd ag anhwylder diffyg canolbwyntio a gorfywiogrwydd, gall y newidiadau hynny greu heriau ychwanegol y mae angen inni eu deall a siarad amdanynt. Mae angen inni herio'r rhagdybiaeth mai dim ond menywod o oedran penodol sy'n mynd drwy'r menopos. Hoffwn achub ar y cyfle hwn i gydnabod methiant ofarïaidd cynamserol, neu POI—rhywbeth nad oeddwn erioed wedi clywed amdano hyd nes imi gael diagnosis ohono yn 36 oed. Dydd Sul nesaf yw ail Ddiwrnod POI y Byd erioed, sydd ynddo'i hun yn dangos faint yn rhagor o ymwybyddiaeth a dealltwriaeth sydd ei angen o hyd. Ddirprwy Lywydd, fe ddywedaf eto: mae'r Siambr hon yn gweithio orau pan fyddwn yn defnyddio ein hamser i daflu goleuni ar agweddau ar fywydau pobl sy'n mynd o dan y radar yn rhy aml. Felly, i'r rhai sy'n byw gyda menopos a POI, rydych chi'n haeddu cael eich clywed, eich deall a'ch cefnogi. Ac yn fy amser yma, fe wnaf bopeth yn fy ngallu i sicrhau bod y profiadau hyn yn cael eu gweld, eu clywed a'u cymryd o ddifrif. Diolch yn fawr. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780712 273 Cy 2026-10-21T15:59:24 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=8966&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=8966&l=en 261021-6 5. Datganiadau 90 Eiliad 5. 90-second Statements C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Diolch. Ac yn olaf, Alun Cox. Thank you. And finally, Alun Cox. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780715 274 En 2026-10-21T15:59:27 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=8969&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=8969&l=cy 261021-6 5. Datganiadau 90 Eiliad 5. 90-second Statements C 4491 4491 Alun Cox AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4491 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4491 Cox, Alun Diolch, Ddirprwy Lywydd. I'd like to congratulate Cwm Taf Morgannwg public health team and the Treherbert learning community team, who recently won the inclusion and respect award at this year's Seren awards. Their work forms part of the wider Treherbert initiative, with Grow Rhondda as a key partner. The initiative asked one simple question: what was needed to help people in Treherbert to live healthier lives? This question was taken directly to the people and some clear themes began to emerge: affordable healthy food, mental health support, youth facilities and much more. Importantly, following this, work has started to act on some of these priorities, resulting, for example, in the creation of a low-cost fruit and veg market at Grow Rhondda's cafe, where nothing costs more than £1.50. This shows the importance of working with and listening to a community when looking for concrete actions to improve people's lives. So, congratulations once again to Cwm Taf Morgannwg public health and Treherbert learning community team, and I look forward to seeing what the future holds and what further activities they deliver. Diolch. Diolch, Ddirprwy Lywydd. Hoffwn longyfarch tîm iechyd y cyhoedd Cwm Taf Morgannwg a thîm cymuned ddysgu Treherbert, a enillodd y wobr cynhwysiant a pharch yn ddiweddar yng ngwobrau Seren eleni. Mae eu gwaith yn rhan o fenter ehangach Treherbert, gyda Grow Rhondda yn bartner allweddol. Gofynnodd y fenter un cwestiwn syml: beth oedd ei angen i helpu pobl yn Nhreherbert i fyw bywydau iachach? Cyflwynwyd y cwestiwn hwn yn uniongyrchol i'r bobl a daeth rhai themâu clir i'r amlwg: bwyd iach fforddiadwy, cymorth iechyd meddwl, cyfleusterau ieuenctid a llawer mwy. Yn bwysig, yn dilyn hyn, mae gwaith wedi dechrau i weithredu ar rai o'r blaenoriaethau hyn, gan arwain, er enghraifft, at greu marchnad ffrwythau a llysiau rhad yng nghaffi Grow Rhondda, lle nad oes unrhyw beth yn costio mwy na £1.50. Mae hyn yn dangos pwysigrwydd gweithio gyda chymuned a gwrando arni wrth chwilio am gamau gweithredu pendant i wella bywydau pobl. Felly, llongyfarchiadau unwaith eto i dîm iechyd y cyhoedd Cwm Taf Morgannwg a thîm cymuned ddysgu Treherbert, ac edrychaf ymlaen at weld beth sydd gan y dyfodol i'w gynnig a pha weithgareddau pellach y maent yn eu cyflawni. Diolch. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780674 275 En 2026-10-21T16:00:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=9002&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=9002&l=cy 261021-6 5. Datganiadau 90 Eiliad 5. 90-second Statements C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780697 276 Cy 2026-10-21T16:00:43 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=9045&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=9045&l=en 261021-6 5. Datganiadau 90 Eiliad 5. 90-second Statements C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780688 277 Cy 2026-10-21T16:00:41 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=9043&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=9043&l=en 261021-6 5. Datganiadau 90 Eiliad 5. 90-second Statements C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Diolch yn fawr iawn. Thank you very much. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780690 278 Cy 2026-10-21T16:00:42 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=9044&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=9044&l=en 261021-7 6. Dadl Ddeddfwriaethol Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Bil y GIG yn gyntaf 6. Members' Legislative Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): An NHS first Bill C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Eitem 6 ar yr agenda heddiw, dadl ddeddfwriaethol Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv), Bil y GIG yn gyntaf. Cyn i mi alw ar Gwyn Williams, mae nifer fawr o siaradwyr yn gobeithio dod i mewn heddiw. Dwi'n mynd i ofyn i chi a ydych chi'n fodlon trio cwtogi er mwyn bod yn deg i'ch cyd-Aelodau er mwyn i mi drio galw cymaint â dwi'n gallu mewn hanner awr. Galwaf ar Gwyn Williams i wneud y cynnig. Item 6 on the agenda today is the Members' legislative debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv), an NHS first Bill. Before I call on Gwyn Williams, there are many speakers who wish to be called today. I'm going to ask you if you can keep your contributions as succinct as possible to ensure that I can call as many Members as possible in the half an hour allocated. I call on Gwyn Williams to move the motion. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780698 279 Cy 261021-7 6. Dadl Ddeddfwriaethol Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Bil y GIG yn gyntaf 6. Members' Legislative Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): An NHS first Bill I Cynnig NDM9275 Gwyn Williams Cefnogwyd gan Cristiana Emsley, Gareth Beer, Huw Thomas, Jane Dodds, Janet Finch-Saunders, John Davies, Kiera Marshall, Leticia Gonzalez, Lindsay Whittle, Lis McLean, Lyn Ackerman, Mike Hedges, Niamh Salkeld, Nick Carter, Paul Rock, Safa Elhassan, Sarah Cooper-Lesadd, Sera Evans, Shav Taj, Zaynub Akbar Cynnig bod y Senedd: 1. Yn nodi'r cynnig ar gyfer Bil y GIG yn gyntaf. 2. Yn nodi mai diben y Bil fyddai: a) cynyddu, lle bynnag y bo'n bosibl, ddarpariaeth meddygfeydd a chlinigau menter rhestr aros yn y GIG yn hytrach na thrwy'r sector preifat; b) ei gwneud yn ofynnol i bob bwrdd iechyd geisio a datblygu cynlluniau wedi'u costio ar gyfer gweithgareddau clinigol ychwanegol gan adrannau o fewn eu sefydliadau eu hunain cyn llunio contractau gyda darparwyr preifat; c) sefydlu rhagdybiaeth o blaid cynlluniau a arweinir gan y GIG dros ddarpariaeth y sector preifat mewn ymdrech i leihau rhestrau aros; d) rhoi awdurdod i arweinwyr clinigol y GIG wrthod cynigion darparwyr preifat pan gânt eu hystyried yn anniogel yn glinigol neu os oes diffyg trefniadau dilynol priodol; ac e) cyflwyno dyletswydd ar fyrddau iechyd i gyhoeddi data yn dryloyw ar ddefnyddio darpariaeth y sector preifat. Motion NDM9275 Gwyn Williams Supported by Cristiana Emsley, Gareth Beer, Huw Thomas, Jane Dodds, Janet Finch-Saunders, John Davies, Kiera Marshall, Leticia Gonzalez, Lindsay Whittle, Lis McLean, Lyn Ackerman, Mike Hedges, Niamh Salkeld, Nick Carter, Paul Rock, Safa Elhassan, Sarah Cooper-Lesadd, Sera Evans, Shav Taj, Zaynub Akbar To propose that the Senedd: 1. Notes the proposal for an NHS first Bill. 2. Notes that the purpose of the Bill would be to: a) increase, wherever possible, the delivery of waiting list initiative surgeries and clinics within the NHS, rather than through the private sector; b) require all health boards to seek and develop costed plans for additional clinical activity from departments within their own organisations before entering into contracts with private providers; c) establish a presumption in favour of NHS-led plans over private sector provision in efforts to reduce waiting lists; d) provide NHS clinical leads with the authority to refuse private provider proposals where they are considered clinically unsafe or lack appropriate follow-up arrangements; and e) introduce a duty on health boards to transparently publish data on the use of private sector provision. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780699 280 Cy 261021-7 6. Dadl Ddeddfwriaethol Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Bil y GIG yn gyntaf 6. Members' Legislative Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): An NHS first Bill I Cynigiwyd y cynnig. Motion moved. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780703 281 En 2026-10-21T16:01:12 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=9074&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=9074&l=cy 261021-7 6. Dadl Ddeddfwriaethol Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Bil y GIG yn gyntaf 6. Members' Legislative Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): An NHS first Bill C 5083 5083 Gwyn Williams https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5083 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5083 Williams, Gwyn Diolch yn fawr, Ddirprwy Lywydd. This debate, in a nutshell, is, essentially, about putting the NHS first when deciding how to reduce waiting lists, and I'm grateful for the cross-party support on this matter. I should declare an obvious interest, which you're all expecting me to say anyway, that I'm a consultant eye doctor at Singleton Hospital in Swansea. I've worked in the NHS for 23 years as a doctor and 10 as a consultant. I believe in the NHS, work in the NHS, and I've seen the problems and opportunities first-hand. Our clinicians know their patients, they know the hospitals and, more importantly, they know the systems that they work in. We should give them the opportunity to put forward plans for reducing waiting lists before asking private providers if they can do so. And this is not party political, or at least it shouldn't be. I believe we all want people across Wales to receive safe, timely care. We want waiting lists to fall and we want public money to deliver the greatest possible benefits for our patients. So, what does this proposal ask for? Three things: to favour NHS-led provision; to give clinical leads the power to reject unsafe private proposals or inadequate follow-up arrangements; and to demand transparent publication of data on private provision from every health board. And why? Because I believe that putting the NHS first can help us deliver safer care, work more efficiently and make better use of NHS money. And I will take each one of these things in turn. Deliver safer care. One appointment or a surgery is only one part of the process in a patient's diagnosis and treatment journey. It isn't, and, indeed, can't be, a stand-alone thing. Likewise, an operation also. What happens afterwards matters too, and, indeed, before, with listing and pre assessment. It's obviously not hugely safe to send one link of this chain to an unfamiliar provider and then the patient is returned. Clinicians all over Wales can speak about experiences, for example, with patients returning to the NHS with some form of complication following a cataract operation, for example, privately via outsourcing. These complications can and should require urgent treatment, which then takes priority over elective cases, such as macula hole repairs. The proposed legislation would give clinical leads the authority to refuse private arrangements they consider unsafe or which lack appropriate follow-up care. The people responsible for patients' care must have a say in how that care is provided—the people who mop up the mess. Secondly, to work more efficiently. Local NHS teams know the patients, the department and the systems, yet decisions to outsource or insource work to companies can be taken several levels above them, before they have the opportunity to offer an in-house solution. Oftentimes, if the patients are not known to the company clinicians, who also can't access records and are not responsible for follow-up—we don't have an electronic patient record all around Wales, for example—decisions are deferred, as it is merely an exercise in kicking the can down the road to make the figures look temporarily better. But it always catches up worse than before. I'm a fan of the HBO miniseries Chernobyl, where Professor Valery Legasov says, 'Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. Sooner or later that debt is paid.' And when is that? When the contract ends in this case. This proposal would require health boards to seek the development of those solutions first: additional waiting list initiative clinics and operating lists within the NHS, planned by the teams who understand the service. And we also need to consider the effect on our workforce. When clinicians cut their NHS hours to do more private-provider work, which does remunerate better, it has to be said, the private sector grows and the NHS capacity atrophies. We become more dependent on the very provision that is drawing our staff away, and we're, in fact, paying to drain the very service we need to strengthen. If an NHS team cannot undertake all the additional work, private provision would remain an option. This proposed Bill would merely establish a presumption in favour of NHS-led plans. Thirdly, to make better use of public money, if indeed we do put the NHS first. Private contracts use public money. I think Mabon recently quoted £1.5 million that was spent over the past few years on outsourcing. That money used in an NHS setting would have helped develop services and make a permanent improvement to departments all over Wales. We need to appreciate and understand the full cost of the contracts, including follow-up, complications and any work that then returns to NHS services. Cataracts, for example—obviously, I'm biased towards cataracts—[Laughter.]—are not undertaken and simply sent back. Complications are needing extra surgery, appointments in eye casualty, as well as administrative problems caused by one eye being operated on privately via outsourcing and the other eye falling through the cracks, which is a terrible image. [Laughter.] Health boards should publish transparent data on their use of private provision so we can see what has been purchased and assess what it delivers. And why does this matter to constituents across Wales? Because behind every waiting list figure is a person waiting for treatment. They need safe care, timely treatment, and confidence that someone will take responsibility for their follow-up. The decision we make today affects the NHS's ability to treat patients tomorrow. We need to reduce waiting lists while strengthening the service people will continue to depend on. And why does this matter to me personally? Because this is why I'm here. This is why I came into this job and why I sit in this chair: to give the clinicians delivering care the opportunity to put forward solutions. We have an opportunity to put NHS capacity, clinical judgment and accountability at the centre of decisions about waiting lists—not an expensive, unsafe, can-kicking, sticking-plaster exercise that erodes the health service upon which we depend. Let's stand up for the NHS. Let's put the NHS first. Let's show the people of Wales that we take their safety, their waiting times and their public money seriously, by giving the people who know the patients and deliver their care the opportunity to lead. Diolch yn fawr.  Diolch yn fawr, Ddirprwy Lywydd. Mae'r ddadl hon, yn gryno, yn ymwneud â rhoi'r GIG yn gyntaf wrth benderfynu sut i leihau rhestrau aros, ac rwy'n ddiolchgar am y gefnogaeth drawsbleidiol ar y mater hwn. Dylwn ddatgan buddiant amlwg, fel rydych chi i gyd yn disgwyl i mi ei wneud beth bynnag, fy mod i'n feddyg llygaid ymgynghorol yn Ysbyty Singleton yn Abertawe. Rwyf wedi gweithio yn y GIG ers 23 mlynedd fel meddyg a 10 fel meddyg ymgynghorol. Rwy'n credu yn y GIG, yn gweithio yn y GIG, ac rwyf wedi gweld y problemau a'r cyfleoedd yn uniongyrchol. Mae ein clinigwyr yn adnabod eu cleifion, maent yn adnabod yr ysbytai ac yn bwysicach fyth, maent yn adnabod y systemau y maent yn gweithio ynddynt. Dylem roi cyfle iddynt gyflwyno cynlluniau ar gyfer lleihau rhestrau aros cyn gofyn i ddarparwyr preifat wneud hynny. Ac nid mater o wleidyddiaeth plaid yw hyn, neu o leiaf nid dyna ddylai fod. Rwy'n credu ein bod ni i gyd eisiau i bobl ledled Cymru gael gofal diogel ac amserol. Rydym eisiau i restrau aros leihau ac rydym eisiau i arian cyhoeddus ddarparu'r buddion mwyaf posibl i'n cleifion. Felly, am beth y mae'r cynnig hwn yn gofyn? Tri pheth: ffafrio darpariaeth dan arweiniad y GIG; rhoi pŵer i arweinwyr clinigol wrthod cynigion preifat anniogel neu drefniadau dilynol annigonol; a mynnu bod pob bwrdd iechyd yn cyhoeddi data ar ddarpariaeth breifat. A pham? Oherwydd rwy'n credu y gall rhoi'r GIG yn gyntaf ein helpu i ddarparu gofal mwy diogel, gweithio'n fwy effeithlon a gwneud gwell defnydd o arian y GIG. Ac fe roddaf sylw i bob un o'r pethau hyn yn eu tro. Darparu gofal mwy diogel. Dim ond un rhan o'r broses yn nhaith diagnosis a thriniaeth claf yw un apwyntiad neu lawdriniaeth. Nid yw, ac yn wir, ni all fod, yn rhywbeth sy'n sefyll ar ei ben ei hun. Yn yr un modd, ni all llawdriniaeth wneud hynny chwaith. Mae'r hyn sy'n digwydd wedyn yn bwysig hefyd, a chynt yn wir, gyda rhestru ac asesiadau cyn llawdriniaeth. Mae'n amlwg nad yw'n hynod ddiogel i anfon un ddolen o'r gadwyn hon at ddarparwr anghyfarwydd a bod y claf yn cael ei ddychwelyd wedyn. Gall clinigwyr ledled Cymru siarad am brofiadau, er enghraifft, gyda chleifion yn dychwelyd i'r GIG gyda rhyw fath o gymhlethdod yn dilyn llawdriniaeth gataract, er enghraifft, yn breifat trwy gontract allanol. Fe all ac fe ddylai'r cymhlethdodau hyn alw am driniaeth frys, sydd wedyn yn cael blaenoriaeth dros achosion a gynlluniwyd, fel atgyweirio twll y macwla. Byddai'r ddeddfwriaeth arfaethedig yn rhoi awdurdod i arweinwyr clinigol wrthod trefniadau preifat y maent yn eu hystyried yn anniogel neu lle nad oes ganddynt ofal dilynol priodol. Rhaid i'r bobl sy'n gyfrifol am ofal cleifion gael llais yn y ffordd y caiff y gofal hwnnw ei ddarparu—y bobl sy'n clirio'r llanast. Yn ail, gweithio'n fwy effeithlon. Mae timau GIG lleol yn adnabod y cleifion, yr adran a'r systemau, ond mae penderfyniadau i allanoli gwaith i gwmnïau'n gallu cael eu gwneud sawl lefel uwch eu pennau, cyn iddynt gael cyfle i gynnig ateb mewnol. Yn aml, os nad yw clinigwyr y cwmni'n adnabod y cleifion, ac na allant gael mynediad at gofnodion ac nad ydynt yn gyfrifol am ofal dilynol—nid oes gennym gofnod electronig am gleifion ledled Cymru, er enghraifft—mae penderfyniadau'n cael eu gohirio er mwyn gwneud i'r ffigurau edrych yn well dros dro. Ond mae bob amser yn dal i fyny'n waeth nag o'r blaen. Rwy'n hoff o gyfres HBO Chernobyl, lle mae'r Athro Valery Legasov yn dweud, 'Mae pob celwydd a ddywedwn yn creu dyled i'r gwir. Yn hwyr neu'n hwyrach mae'r ddyled honno'n cael ei thalu.' A phryd y digwydd hynny? Pan ddaw'r contract i ben yn yr achos hwn. Byddai'r cynnig hwn yn ei gwneud yn ofynnol i fyrddau iechyd geisio datblygu'r atebion hynny yn gyntaf: clinigau ychwanegol i'r cynllun rhestrau aros a rhestrau llawdriniaethau o fewn y GIG, wedi'u cynllunio gan y timau sy'n deall y gwasanaeth. Ac mae angen inni ystyried yr effaith ar ein gweithlu hefyd. Pan fydd clinigwyr yn torri eu horiau GIG i wneud mwy o waith darparwr preifat, sy'n talu'n well, rhaid dweud, mae'r sector preifat yn tyfu ac mae capasiti'r GIG yn crebachu. Down yn fwy dibynnol ar yr union ddarpariaeth sy'n mynd â'n staff, ac mewn gwirionedd, rydym yn talu i ddraenio'r union wasanaeth y mae angen i ni ei gryfhau. Os na all tîm y GIG gyflawni'r holl waith ychwanegol, byddai darpariaeth breifat yn parhau i fod yn opsiwn. Byddai'r Bil arfaethedig hwn ond yn sefydlu rhagdybiaeth o blaid cynlluniau dan arweiniad y GIG. Yn drydydd, gwneud gwell defnydd o arian cyhoeddus, os yn wir ein bod yn rhoi'r GIG yn gyntaf. Mae contractau preifat yn defnyddio arian cyhoeddus. Rwy'n credu bod Mabon yn ddiweddar wedi dweud bod £1.5 miliwn wedi'i wario dros y blynyddoedd diwethaf ar gontractau allanol. Byddai'r arian hwnnw o'i ddefnyddio mewn lleoliad GIG wedi helpu i ddatblygu gwasanaethau a gwneud gwelliant parhaol i adrannau ledled Cymru. Mae angen inni werthfawrogi a deall cost lawn y contractau, gan gynnwys trefniadau dilynol, cymhlethdodau ac unrhyw waith sy'n dychwelyd i wasanaethau'r GIG wedyn. Nid yw cataractau, er enghraifft—yn amlwg, rwy'n rhagfarnu o blaid cataractau—[Chwerthin.]—yn cael eu gwneud a chânt eu hanfon yn ôl. Mae angen llawdriniaeth ychwanegol ar gymhlethdodau, apwyntiadau mewn adrannau anafiadau llygaid, yn ogystal â phroblemau gweinyddol a achosir gan un llygad yn cael llawdriniaeth breifat trwy gontract allanol a'r llygad arall yn disgyn drwy'r rhwyd, sy'n ddelwedd ofnadwy. [Chwerthin.] Dylai byrddau iechyd gyhoeddi data tryloyw ar eu defnydd o ddarpariaeth breifat fel y gallwn weld beth sydd wedi'i brynu ac asesu'r hyn y mae'n ei ddarparu. A pham y mae hyn yn bwysig i etholwyr ledled Cymru? Oherwydd y tu ôl i bob ffigur rhestr aros mae unigolyn sy'n aros am driniaeth. Mae angen gofal diogel arnynt, triniaeth amserol, a hyder y bydd rhywun yn ysgwyddo cyfrifoldeb am eu gofal dilynol. Mae'r penderfyniad a wnawn heddiw yn effeithio ar allu'r GIG i drin cleifion yfory. Mae angen inni leihau rhestrau aros gan gryfhau'r gwasanaeth y bydd pobl yn parhau i ddibynnu arno. A pham y mae hyn yn bwysig i mi'n bersonol? Am mai dyna pam fy mod i yma. Dyma pam y deuthum i'r swydd hon a pham rwy'n eistedd yn y gadair hon: i roi cyfle i'r clinigwyr sy'n darparu gofal gynnig atebion. Mae gennym gyfle i roi capasiti, barn glinigol ac atebolrwydd y GIG wrth wraidd penderfyniadau ynghylch rhestrau aros—nid ymarfer drud, anniogel sy'n gohirio, plastr dros dro, sy'n erydu'r gwasanaeth iechyd rydym yn dibynnu arno. Gadewch inni sefyll dros y GIG. Gadewch inni roi'r GIG yn gyntaf. Gadewch inni ddangos i bobl Cymru ein bod o ddifrif ynghylch eu diogelwch, eu hamseroedd aros a'u harian cyhoeddus, drwy roi cyfle i'r bobl sy'n adnabod y cleifion ac sy'n darparu eu gofal i arwain. Diolch yn fawr. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780695 282 En 2026-10-21T16:05:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=9302&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=9302&l=cy 261021-7 6. Dadl Ddeddfwriaethol Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Bil y GIG yn gyntaf 6. Members' Legislative Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): An NHS first Bill C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780719 283 En 2026-10-21T16:07:19 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=9441&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=9441&l=cy 261021-7 6. Dadl Ddeddfwriaethol Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Bil y GIG yn gyntaf 6. Members' Legislative Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): An NHS first Bill C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780721 284 En 2026-10-21T16:07:23 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=9445&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=9445&l=cy 261021-7 6. Dadl Ddeddfwriaethol Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Bil y GIG yn gyntaf 6. Members' Legislative Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): An NHS first Bill C 12142 12142 Benjamin Hodge Mckenna AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12142 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12142 Hodge Mckenna, Benjamin Reform UK, we support the NHS. We believe in an NHS that is free at the point of need. And we believe in an NHS that is properly funded and an NHS that puts its patients first. Too many people in Wales are waiting too long for treatment. Roughly a quarter of people are on a waiting list, and two-year waits have not been eradicated as was promised. A&E departments across Wales remain under tremendous pressure, and our planned care capacity is still short of what is required. Everybody who interacts with our NHS can see that the staff are under pressure, the estate needs investment, and the system is not delivering the outcomes that the public deserve. But we also know that throwing money at a problem doesn't automatically solve it. We cannot fix capacity issues in our NHS if we refuse to look at every practical tool available to us. Therefore, we cannot risk totally excluding independent healthcare providers if they can provide quality care that clears backlogs. I'm not interested in privatisation or charging patients. I'm interested in utilising additional capacity funded by the NHS purse and free to the patient. Now, I don't believe that the motion before us today seeks to completely exclude the private sector. But I'm concerned that, ultimately, the Bill could result in a set of legal requirements that make it too difficult for us to make use of independent capacity when it is needed. Patients want to be treated in a reasonable time and receive care that is safe and effective. If this Bill leads to a situation in which people are waiting years for NHS care because the system cannot utilise its independent capacity, then it would have failed in achieving the core mission of our NHS: putting patients first. I'm not opposed to the principle of ensuring that the NHS is properly managed and resourced before seeking alternative solutions. And I'm supportive of the measures that strengthen the NHS, improve the accountability of our health boards and encourage investment into our workforce and estates. But any Bill that effectively rules out practical capacity solutions could, ultimately, end up failing the very people it seeks to protect. Therefore, I will be looking forward to the detail of this Bill, and I will judge it on its ability to get people treated sooner whilst protecting the NHS's founding principle of free care at the point of need. Diolch yn fawr. Reform UK, rydym yn cefnogi'r GIG. Rydym yn credu mewn GIG sy'n rhad ac am ddim pryd a lle bynnag y bo'i angen. Ac rydym yn credu mewn GIG sy'n cael ei ariannu'n briodol a GIG sy'n rhoi ei gleifion yn gyntaf. Mae gormod o bobl yng Nghymru yn aros yn rhy hir am driniaeth. Mae tua chwarter y bobl ar restr aros, ac nid yw amseroedd aros o ddwy flynedd wedi'u dileu fel yr addawyd. Mae adrannau damweiniau ac achosion brys ledled Cymru yn parhau i fod o dan bwysau aruthrol, ac mae ein capasiti gofal wedi'i gynllunio yn dal i fod yn llai na'r hyn sydd ei angen. Gall pawb sy'n rhyngweithio â'n GIG weld bod y staff o dan bwysau, fod angen buddsoddiad ar yr ystad, ac nad yw'r system yn cyflawni'r canlyniadau y mae'r cyhoedd yn eu haeddu. Ond rydym hefyd yn gwybod nad yw taflu arian at broblem yn ei datrys yn awtomatig. Ni allwn ddatrys problemau capasiti yn ein GIG os ydym yn gwrthod edrych ar bob arf ymarferol sydd ar gael i ni. Felly, ni allwn greu risg o eithrio darparwyr gofal iechyd annibynnol yn llwyr os gallant ddarparu gofal o safon sy'n clirio ôl-groniadau. Nid oes gennyf ddiddordeb mewn preifateiddio na chodi tâl ar gleifion. Mae gennyf ddiddordeb mewn defnyddio capasiti ychwanegol wedi'i ariannu o bwrs y GIG ac yn rhad ac am ddim i'r claf. Nawr, nid wyf yn credu bod y cynnig sydd o'n blaenau heddiw yn ceisio eithrio'r sector preifat yn llwyr. Ond rwy'n pryderu y gallai'r Bil arwain at set o ofynion cyfreithiol sy'n ei gwneud hi'n rhy anodd inni ddefnyddio capasiti annibynnol pan fo angen. Mae cleifion eisiau cael eu trin o fewn amser rhesymol a derbyn gofal sy'n ddiogel ac yn effeithiol. Os yw'r Bil hwn yn arwain at sefyllfa lle mae pobl yn aros blynyddoedd am ofal y GIG am nad yw'r system yn gallu defnyddio ei gallu annibynnol, byddai wedi methu cyflawni cenhadaeth graidd ein GIG: rhoi cleifion yn gyntaf. Nid wyf yn gwrthwynebu'r egwyddor o sicrhau bod y GIG yn cael ei reoli a'i ariannu'n briodol cyn chwilio am atebion amgen. Ac rwy'n gefnogol i'r mesurau sy'n cryfhau'r GIG, yn gwella atebolrwydd ein byrddau iechyd ac yn annog buddsoddiad yn ein gweithlu a'n hystadau. Ond gallai unrhyw Fil sy'n eithrio atebion o ran capasiti ymarferol wneud cam yn y pen draw â'r union bobl y mae'n ceisio eu diogelu. Felly, rwy'n edrych ymlaen at weld manylion y Bil hwn, a byddaf yn ei farnu ar ei allu i gael triniaeth i bobl yn gynt tra'n diogelu egwyddor sylfaenol y GIG o ofal am ddim pryd a lle bynnag y bo'i angen. Diolch yn fawr. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780714 285 En 2026-10-21T16:10:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=9602&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=9602&l=cy 261021-7 6. Dadl Ddeddfwriaethol Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Bil y GIG yn gyntaf 6. Members' Legislative Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): An NHS first Bill C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780717 286 En 2026-10-21T16:10:21 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=9623&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=9623&l=cy 261021-7 6. Dadl Ddeddfwriaethol Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Bil y GIG yn gyntaf 6. Members' Legislative Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): An NHS first Bill C 332 332 Mike Hedges AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=332 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=332 Hedges, Mike Can I thank Gwyn for bringing this before us today? I'm a member of the Socialist Health Association, and committed to a publicly funded and publicly provided health service. The NHS, despite the waiting times and financial pressures, is supported by the vast majority of people in Wales. When you consider the cost of health provision in the USA, the NHS is excellent value for money. In the USA, medical costs are the major cause of personal bankruptcy. I believe in the direct provision of a publicly funded health service by publicly funded and employed health professionals. The private sector see opportunities to profit from the health service, taking the easy-to-provide services, not providing the expensive and difficult-to-provide. I support, wherever possible, delivery of waiting-list initiatives, surgeries and clinics within the NHS rather than through the private sector. The private sector is looking for opportunities to make a profit out of publicly funded health. My aim is a completely directly provided health service with no publicly funded health expenditure leaking out to the private sector. I support increasing surgical activity through weekend and evening clinics, opening new diagnostic and treatment centres and creating more community-based services to reduce hospital demand. We also have the advances in AI giving us analysis and treatment. All health boards should develop costed plans for additional clinic activity from departments within their organisations before considering entering into contracts with private providers. They must empower and trust clinical staff. I think that's one of the big problems we have: a lack of being prepared to trust the clinical staff. The BMA has expressed concern about the increasing role of private healthcare provision in the NHS, particularly regarding the privatisation of NHS services. They argue that private healthcare companies should be held to the same standards as NHS providers, including transparent reporting of patient safety incidents and performance. The BMA supports a new NHS provider selection regime to limit procurement arrangements with independent sector providers and ensure the sustainability of the NHS. They also advocate for better oversight of privatisation and recommend that independent sector providers for NHS services should be subject to the same requirements as NHS providers. I share the concern of many in the health service that increasing the reliance on private providers will erode the NHS's long-term sustainability and will end with us not having a national health service, but a publicly funded health service being used by the public in private hospitals and private areas. And the problem then becomes that the private sector won't want to do accident and emergency. They won't want to do anything that is difficult. They'll want to do the easier-to-deal-with. I think it really is important that we stand up for the NHS, which is what I'm doing now. Can I just, finally, say that the health service is funded to provide services, not as a cash point for the private sector? A gaf i ddiolch i Gwyn am gyflwyno hyn heddiw? Rwy'n aelod o'r Gymdeithas Iechyd Sosialaidd, ac wedi ymrwymo i wasanaeth iechyd a ariennir yn gyhoeddus ac a ddarperir yn gyhoeddus. Mae'r GIG, er gwaethaf yr amseroedd aros a'r pwysau ariannol, yn cael ei gefnogi gan y mwyafrif helaeth o bobl yng Nghymru. Pan ystyriwch gost darpariaeth iechyd yn UDA, mae'r GIG yn darparu gwerth ardderchog am arian. Yn UDA, costau meddygol yw prif achos methdaliad personol. Rwy'n credu mewn gwasanaeth iechyd a ddarperir yn uniongyrchol gan weithwyr iechyd proffesiynol ac a ariennir ac a gyflogir yn gyhoeddus. Mae'r sector preifat yn gweld cyfleoedd i elwa o'r gwasanaeth iechyd, gan gymryd y gwasanaethau hawdd eu darparu, nid darparu'r rhai drud ac anodd eu darparu. Lle bynnag y bo modd, rwy'n cefnogi cyflwyno cynlluniau rhestrau aros, llawdriniaethau a chlinigau o fewn y GIG yn hytrach na thrwy'r sector preifat. Mae'r sector preifat yn chwilio am gyfleoedd i elwa ar iechyd a ariennir yn gyhoeddus. Fy nod yw gwasanaeth iechyd a ddarperir yn hollol uniongyrchol heb unrhyw wariant iechyd a ariennir yn gyhoeddus yn gollwng allan i'r sector preifat. Rwy'n cefnogi cynyddu gweithgarwch llawfeddygol trwy glinigau penwythnos a gyda'r nos, agor canolfannau diagnostig a thriniaeth newydd a chreu mwy o wasanaethau cymunedol i leihau galw mewn ysbytai. Mae gennym ddatblygiadau mewn deallusrwydd artiffisial hefyd sy'n rhoi dadansoddiadau a thriniaethau i ni. Dylai pob bwrdd iechyd ddatblygu cynlluniau wedi'u costio ar gyfer gweithgarwch clinigol ychwanegol gan adrannau yn eu sefydliadau cyn ystyried ymrwymo i gontractau gyda darparwyr preifat. Rhaid iddynt rymuso ac ymddiried mewn staff clinigol. Rwy'n credu mai dyna un o'r problemau mawr sydd gennym: diffyg parodrwydd i ymddiried yn y staff clinigol. Mae Cymdeithas Feddygol Prydain wedi mynegi pryder am rôl gynyddol darpariaeth gofal iechyd preifat yn y GIG, yn enwedig o ran preifateiddio gwasanaethau'r GIG. Maent yn dadlau y dylai cwmnïau gofal iechyd preifat orfod cydymffurfio â'r un safonau â darparwyr y GIG, gan gynnwys adrodd yn dryloyw ar ddigwyddiadau diogelwch cleifion a pherfformiad. Mae Cymdeithas Feddygol Prydain yn cefnogi cyfundrefn newydd ar gyfer dewis darparwyr ar gyfer y GIG i gyfyngu ar drefniadau caffael gyda darparwyr sector annibynnol a sicrhau cynaliadwyedd y GIG. Maent hefyd yn dadlau dros well goruchwyliaeth ar breifateiddio ac yn argymell y dylai darparwyr y sector annibynnol ar gyfer gwasanaethau'r GIG orfod cydymffurfio â'r un gofynion â darparwyr y GIG. Rwy'n rhannu pryder llawer yn y gwasanaeth iechyd y bydd cynyddu'r ddibyniaeth ar ddarparwyr preifat yn erydu cynaliadwyedd hirdymor y GIG a phen draw hynny fydd colli ein gwasanaeth iechyd gwladol, a chael gwasanaeth iechyd a ariennir yn gyhoeddus ac a ddefnyddir gan y cyhoedd mewn ysbytai preifat a mannau preifat yn lle hynny. A'r broblem wedyn yw na fydd y sector preifat eisiau gwneud gofal damweiniau ac argyfwng. Ni fyddant eisiau gwneud unrhyw beth sy'n anodd. Byddant eisiau gwneud y pethau haws i ddelio â nhw. Rwy'n credu ei bod yn wirioneddol bwysig ein bod ni'n sefyll dros y GIG, a dyna rwy'n ei wneud nawr. A gaf i ddweud yn olaf, fod y gwasanaeth iechyd yn cael ei ariannu ar gyfer darparu gwasanaethau, nid fel peiriant arian parod i'r sector preifat? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780724 287 En 2026-10-21T16:13:09 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=9791&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=9791&l=cy 261021-7 6. Dadl Ddeddfwriaethol Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Bil y GIG yn gyntaf 6. Members' Legislative Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): An NHS first Bill C 336 336 Natasha Asghar AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=336 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=336 Asghar, Natasha My Welsh Conservative colleagues and I absolutely believe that we need to be doing more to increase capacity within the NHS. We need to be doing much more to drive down those shamefully high NHS waiting lists, which are leaving our constituents languishing in pain. We do need to have better data sharing and give consultants and specialists more control as well as authority. But that should not be at the expense of the private sector. The private sector has a place within our healthcare system. It is not the enemy. It can complement and build on the NHS offering. The NHS will always be the crème de la crème, but we should have as many weapons in our arsenal when it comes to providing patients with the best possible care. And that, as far as I'm concerned, includes the private sector. We should be utilising private providers. But, by going after the private sector, you're running the risk of increasing pressures on our already overstretched NHS. Not only can private providers be used to help bring down waiting times, but they can actually alleviate pressure on the health service in other ways too, by providing extra capacity and specialist expertise. I recently met with the Icon Group, an Australian firm, which is poised to reopen the old Rutherford cancer centre in Newport. Yes, it is a private company, but it stands ready to work with the Welsh Government and the health boards to see NHS patients. That's just one example, but there are many organisations out there in a similar position. Look at Newmedica. They are one of the biggest providers of NHS-funded ophthalmology services, treating nearly 14,500 patients all across Wales. Why would we actively seek to prevent them from carrying out their vital work? The motion before us would force all health boards to develop costed plans for extra NHS activity before entering into a private sector contract. Some would argue that this sounds reasonable on the face of it, but what happens when the NHS does not have the capacity to deliver quickly enough? Are we going to make patients wait even longer than they have to whilst another plan is drawn up? If an NHS department can deliver treatment promptly and cost-effectively, it should be given every single opportunity to do so. If an independent provider can safely treat a patient sooner, and at an appropriate cost, health boards must retain the flexibility to use that as an option. We do need to see more joined-up working between the NHS and the private sector, not less of it, which I fear is what is going to happen if this motion goes through. We are going to be supporting this motion today, and I will put on record that I do, in fact, fear that this is a case of cutting off your nose to spite your face against the private sector at the same time. Thank you. Mae fy nghyd-Aelodau yn y Ceidwadwyr Cymreig a minnau'n credu'n llwyr fod angen inni wneud mwy i gynyddu capasiti yn y GIG. Mae angen inni wneud llawer mwy i leihau rhestrau aros cywilyddus y GIG, sy'n gadael ein hetholwyr yn dihoeni mewn poen. Mae angen inni rannu data'n well a rhoi mwy o reolaeth ac awdurdod i feddygon ymgynghorol ac arbenigwyr. Ond ni ddylai hynny fod ar draul y sector preifat. Mae gan y sector preifat le yn ein system gofal iechyd. Nid y sector preifat yw'r gelyn. Gall ategu ac adeiladu ar gynnig y GIG. Y GIG fydd y crème de la crème bob amser, ond dylem gael cymaint o arfau yn ein harfogaeth ar gyfer darparu'r gofal gorau posibl i gleifion. Ac o'm rhan i, mae hynny'n cynnwys y sector preifat. Dylem fod yn defnyddio darparwyr preifat. Ond trwy fynd ar ôl y sector preifat, rydych chi'n creu risg o gynyddu pwysau ar ein GIG sydd eisoes dan bwysau. Nid yn unig y gellir defnyddio darparwyr preifat i helpu i leihau amseroedd aros, gallant leddfu'r pwysau ar y gwasanaeth iechyd mewn ffyrdd eraill hefyd, trwy ddarparu capasiti ychwanegol ac arbenigedd arbenigol. Yn ddiweddar, cyfarfûm ag Icon Group, cwmni o Awstralia, sy'n barod i ailagor hen ganolfan ganser Rutherford yng Nghasnewydd. Ydy, mae'n gwmni preifat, ond mae'n barod i weithio gyda Llywodraeth Cymru a'r byrddau iechyd i weld cleifion y GIG. Dim ond un enghraifft yw honno, ond mae yna lawer o sefydliadau allan yno mewn sefyllfa debyg. Edrychwch ar Newmedica. Maent ymhlith y rhai sy'n darparu fwyaf o wasanaethau offthalmoleg a ariennir gan y GIG, ac yn trin bron i 14,500 o gleifion ledled Cymru. Pam y byddem ni'n mynd ati i'w hatal rhag cyflawni eu gwaith hanfodol? Byddai'r cynnig o'n blaenau yn gorfodi pob bwrdd iechyd i ddatblygu cynlluniau wedi'u costio ar gyfer gweithgarwch ychwanegol y GIG cyn ymrwymo i gontract sector preifat. Byddai rhai'n dadlau bod hyn yn swnio'n rhesymol ar yr wyneb, ond beth sy'n digwydd pan nad oes gan y GIG allu i gyflawni'n ddigon cyflym? A ydym yn mynd i wneud i gleifion aros hyd yn oed yn hwy na sy'n rhaid iddynt tra bod cynllun arall yn cael ei lunio? Os gall adran GIG ddarparu triniaeth yn brydlon ac yn gosteffeithiol, dylid rhoi pob cyfle iddi wneud hynny. Os gall darparwr annibynnol drin claf yn ddiogel yn gynt, ac am gost briodol, rhaid i fyrddau iechyd gadw'r hyblygrwydd i ddefnyddio hynny fel opsiwn. Mae angen inni weld mwy o waith cydgysylltiedig rhwng y GIG a'r sector preifat, nid llai ohono, ac rwy'n ofni mai dyna fydd yn digwydd os aiff y cynnig hwn drwodd. Rydym yn mynd i gefnogi'r cynnig hwn heddiw, ac fe gofnodaf fy mod, mewn gwirionedd, yn ofni bod hwn yn achos o dorri'ch trwyn i sbeitio'ch wyneb yn erbyn y sector preifat ar yr un pryd. Diolch. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780713 288 En 2026-10-21T16:15:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=9902&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=9902&l=cy 261021-7 6. Dadl Ddeddfwriaethol Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Bil y GIG yn gyntaf 6. Members' Legislative Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): An NHS first Bill C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780718 289 En 2026-10-21T16:15:31 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=9933&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=9933&l=cy 261021-7 6. Dadl Ddeddfwriaethol Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Bil y GIG yn gyntaf 6. Members' Legislative Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): An NHS first Bill C 12189 12189 Safa Elhassan AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12189 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12189 Elhassan, Safa I, too, declare an interest as a consultant ophthalmologist working in the NHS in Swansea. Expensive contracts, fragmented care, lost opportunities to strengthen our NHS: these are the concerns that I recognise not just as a Member of the Senedd, but also a treating clinician. I thank my colleague Gwyn for bringing forth this proposal, which I support. We all want shorter waiting lists. We all want patients to be treated sooner. And we all recognise the extraordinary work that NHS staff are doing to make that happen. But the question is not simply how many patients we can treat today, but whether we can build the capacity to treat patients tomorrow.  Let me explain what I have witnessed. Patients that have had cataract pre-assessment by an external provider, that arrangement ends, the patient returns to the NHS, sometimes requiring another assessment before surgery proceeds. That's another appointment, another cost, and another delay. And when complications occur, patients rightly return to the NHS teams, adding to the workload of a service already under pressure. Colleagues in other specialties have reported similar frustrations. Deputy Llywydd, this is not about criticising individual providers. It's about questioning whether our system is making the best use of public money and clinical expertise, because waiting lists can appear shorter without the NHS becoming stronger. So, that's at the heart of this debate. In Swansea bay, our performance report identifies gaps in cataract pre-assessment capacity and opportunities to improve theatre utilisations. We have the clinicians, we have the expertise, and what we need is the capacity to deliver. And that means investing in assessment clinics, our theatres, our workforce, and the clinical leadership needed to redesign services. That means asking our front-line teams what they can achieve with the right support. And it means ensuring that our clinical leads are involved in decisions about external contracts, patient safety and continuity of care. And we also must be transparent about costs, outcomes and who remains responsible for patients when contracts end. Deputy Llywydd, I'm not arguing that external provision should never have a role. I'm arguing that temporary solutions must not be a substitute for permanent NHS capacity. Every pound that we spend should do more than reduce today's waiting list. Where possible, it should strengthen tomorrow's service. We're treating patients today, we're training the clinicians for tomorrow, and we're building our NHS for the future. And this principle is why I believe that this proposal should be advanced, and that's why I support it. Diolch. Rwyf innau hefyd yn datgan buddiant fel offthalmolegydd ymgynghorol sy'n gweithio yn y GIG yn Abertawe. Contractau drud, gofal tameidiog, cyfleoedd a gollwyd i gryfhau ein GIG: dyma'r pryderon rwy'n eu cydnabod nid yn unig fel Aelod o'r Senedd, ond hefyd fel clinigydd sy'n trin cleifion. Diolch i fy nghyd-Aelod Gwyn am gyflwyno'r cynnig hwn, ac rwy'n ei gefnogi. Rydym i gyd eisiau rhestrau aros byrrach. Rydym i gyd eisiau i gleifion gael eu trin yn gynt. Ac rydym i gyd yn cydnabod y gwaith anhygoel y mae staff y GIG yn ei wneud i alluogi hynny i ddigwydd. Ond nid faint o gleifion y gallwn eu trin heddiw yw'r cwestiwn, ond a allwn ni adeiladu'r capasiti i drin cleifion yfory. Gadewch imi esbonio'r hyn a welais. Cleifion a gafodd asesiadau cyn llawdriniaeth gataract gan ddarparwr allanol, daw'r trefniant hwnnw i ben, mae'r claf yn dychwelyd i'r GIG, ac angen asesiad arall cyn cael llawdriniaeth. Dyna apwyntiad arall, cost arall, ac oedi eto. A phan fydd cymhlethdodau'n digwydd, mae cleifion yn dychwelyd at dimau'r GIG, yn ddigon priodol, gan ychwanegu at lwyth gwaith gwasanaeth sydd eisoes dan bwysau. Mae cydweithwyr mewn arbenigeddau eraill wedi adrodd rhwystredigaethau tebyg. Ddirprwy Lywydd, nid mater o feirniadu darparwyr unigol yw hyn. Mae'n ymwneud â chwestiynu a yw ein system yn gwneud y defnydd gorau o arian cyhoeddus ac arbenigedd clinigol, oherwydd gall rhestrau aros ymddangos yn fyrrach heb i'r GIG ddod yn gryfach. Felly, dyna sydd wrth wraidd y ddadl hon. Ym mae Abertawe, mae ein hadroddiad perfformiad yn nodi bylchau o ran capasiti asesiadau cyn llawdriniaeth gataract a chyfleoedd i wella'r defnydd o theatrau. Mae gennym y clinigwyr, mae gennym yr arbenigedd, a'r hyn sydd ei angen arnom yw'r gallu i gyflawni. Ac mae hynny'n golygu buddsoddi mewn clinigau asesu, ein theatrau, ein gweithlu, a'r arweinyddiaeth glinigol sydd ei hangen i ailgynllunio gwasanaethau. Mae hynny'n golygu gofyn i'n timau rheng flaen beth y gallant ei gyflawni gyda'r gefnogaeth gywir. Ac mae'n golygu sicrhau bod ein harweinwyr clinigol yn rhan o benderfyniadau ynghylch contractau allanol, diogelwch cleifion a dilyniant mewn gofal. A rhaid inni hefyd fod yn dryloyw ynghylch costau, canlyniadau a phwy sy'n parhau'n gyfrifol am gleifion pan ddaw contractau i ben. Ddirprwy Lywydd, nid wyf yn dadlau na ddylai fod rôl byth i ddarpariaeth allanol. Rwy'n dadlau na ddylai atebion dros dro gymryd lle capasiti parhaol y GIG. Dylai pob punt a wariwn wneud mwy na lleihau'r rhestr aros heddiw. Lle bo'n bosibl, dylai gryfhau gwasanaeth ar gyfer yfory. Rydym yn trin cleifion heddiw, rydym yn hyfforddi'r clinigwyr ar gyfer yfory, ac rydym yn adeiladu ein GIG ar gyfer y dyfodol. A'r egwyddor hon yw'r rheswm pam y credaf y dylid datblygu'r cynnig hwn, a dyna pam rwy'n ei gefnogi. Diolch. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780727 290 En 2026-10-21T16:18:22 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=10104&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=10104&l=cy 261021-7 6. Dadl Ddeddfwriaethol Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Bil y GIG yn gyntaf 6. Members' Legislative Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): An NHS first Bill C 8650 8650 Gareth Beer AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8650 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8650 Beer, Gareth I believe that the NHS first Bill has worthy ambitions, as long as the NHS is able to deliver the care when required. All my constituents ask for is a local medical centre or a hospital that can treat them quickly, with local expertise. Gwyn Williams has often talked about how health board boundaries stop the movement of patients, staff and experts. This means that services are fragmented, duplicated and delayed. Patients should not be refused access simply because they live on the wrong side of a health board boundary. There must be no postcode lottery in treatment or outcomes. The ministerial advisory group recognised last year that de facto regional arrangements are already widely established and called for stronger regional working. To support the Bill, there is clear need for more medical staff. I welcome the Government's announcement of 253 additional graduate nursing jobs recently, but the Royal College of Nursing has said that the uncertainty has caused a huge reduction in people accepting nursing degrees in Wales. This Bill should also call for greater transparency. Health boards should publish clear information about the use of private providers, including costs, activities and outcomes. That would allow the public to judge whether spending leads to permanent NHS capacity or just short-term solutions. An NHS first approach must have stronger accountability. For too long, the Welsh Government has taken a hands-off approach to NHS management. Ministers must exercise firmer oversight and set clear expectations when performance, decision making or patient safety falls short. Successful practices should be shared across Wales. Our NHS needs management that is results driven, not process driven. We must allow our front-line health professionals to concentrate on what matters most: their patients. What's needed is faster treatment, safer care and better use of public money. It is about building capacity and resilience within a national health service that belongs to us all. Let us put the NHS first, break down the barriers that delay care, strengthen democratic oversight and ensure that every decision begins and ends with what is best for the patients in Wales. Diolch yn fawr. Rwy'n credu bod uchelgeisiau teilwng gan Fil y GIG yn gyntaf, cyhyd â bod y GIG yn gallu darparu'r gofal pan fo angen. Y cyfan y mae fy etholwyr yn gofyn amdano yw canolfan feddygol leol neu ysbyty a all eu trin yn gyflym, gydag arbenigedd lleol. Mae Gwyn Williams wedi siarad yn fynych ynglŷn â sut y mae ffiniau byrddau iechyd yn atal symudiad cleifion, staff ac arbenigwyr. Mae hyn yn golygu bod gwasanaethau'n dameidiog, wedi'u dyblygu ac yn profi oedi. Ni ddylid gwrthod mynediad i gleifion oherwydd eu bod yn byw ar yr ochr anghywir i ffin bwrdd iechyd. Ni ddylai fod loteri cod post o ran triniaeth na chanlyniadau. Cydnabu grŵp cynghori'r Gweinidog y llynedd fod trefniadau rhanbarthol de facto eisoes wedi'u sefydlu'n eang a galwodd am weithio rhanbarthol cryfach. Er mwyn cefnogi'r Bil, mae angen clir am fwy o staff meddygol. Rwy'n croesawu cyhoeddiad y Llywodraeth am 253 o swyddi nyrsys graddedig ychwanegol yn ddiweddar, ond mae'r Coleg Nyrsio Brenhinol wedi dweud bod yr ansicrwydd wedi achosi gostyngiad enfawr yn nifer y bobl sy'n cael graddau nyrsio yng Nghymru. Dylai'r Bil hwn alw am fwy o dryloywder hefyd. Dylai byrddau iechyd gyhoeddi gwybodaeth glir am y defnydd o ddarparwyr preifat, gan gynnwys costau, gweithgareddau a chanlyniadau. Byddai hynny'n caniatáu i'r cyhoedd farnu a yw gwariant yn arwain at gapasiti GIG parhaol neu atebion tymor byr yn unig. Rhaid i ddull GIG yn gyntaf gynnwys atebolrwydd cryfach. Am ormod o amser, mae Llywodraeth Cymru wedi mabwysiadu ymagwedd led braich at reoli'r GIG. Rhaid i Weinidogion arfer goruchwyliaeth gadarnach a gosod disgwyliadau clir pan fydd perfformiad, y broses o wneud penderfyniadau neu ddiogelwch cleifion yn dioddef. Dylid rhannu arferion llwyddiannus ledled Cymru. Mae ein GIG angen trefn reoli sy'n cael ei gyrru gan ganlyniadau, nid gan broses. Rhaid inni ganiatáu i'n gweithwyr iechyd proffesiynol rheng flaen ganolbwyntio ar y pethau pwysicaf: eu cleifion. Yr hyn sydd ei angen yw triniaeth gyflymach, gofal mwy diogel a gwell defnydd o arian cyhoeddus. Mae'n ymwneud â meithrin capasiti a gwydnwch mewn gwasanaeth iechyd gwladol sy'n perthyn i ni i gyd. Gadewch inni roi'r GIG yn gyntaf, chwalu'r rhwystrau sy'n peri oedi mewn gofal, cryfhau goruchwyliaeth ddemocrataidd a sicrhau bod pob penderfyniad yn dechrau ac yn gorffen gyda'r hyn sydd orau i gleifion Cymru. Diolch yn fawr. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780722 291 En 2026-10-21T16:20:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=10202&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=10202&l=cy 261021-7 6. Dadl Ddeddfwriaethol Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Bil y GIG yn gyntaf 6. Members' Legislative Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): An NHS first Bill C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780725 292 En 2026-10-21T16:20:54 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=10256&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=10256&l=cy 261021-7 6. Dadl Ddeddfwriaethol Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Bil y GIG yn gyntaf 6. Members' Legislative Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): An NHS first Bill C 12175 12175 Shav Taj AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12175 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12175 Taj, Shav Deputy Llywydd, nobody in this Chamber, obviously, wants patients to have to wait any longer for treatment. And if capacity is available that can safely get somebody their operation done sooner, I understand why Governments, including the previous Welsh Government, have looked at the private sector. But I think today's debate asks us to look beyond the immediate waiting lists and consider what kind of NHS we actually are wanting to build for the future. And that is where I believe the workforce has to be at the heart of this discussion. Here in Wales, 'Agenda for Change' provides the framework for pay and important terms and conditions for most directly employed NHS staff. Unison Cymru has warned that health boards cannot expect to recruit and retain staff without addressing NHS pay. It has also been absolutely explicit in calling for the NHS in Wales to be protected from privatisation. So, when public money is spent buying additional services and capacity outside of NHS Wales, we should ask not only, 'How many patients will this treat today?' but also, 'What does this actually do in terms of the capacity and workforce issues of our NHS for tomorrow?' This doesn't need to be an ideological argument. Where private capacity is absolutely necessary to get patients treated sooner, we should be pragmatic. This is why I support the principle of NHS first, but NHS first doesn't, obviously, have to mean NHS only. But our longer term ambition should always be much bigger; it should mean building the strength and capacity of our NHS and the public services around it. It means our NHS and our community care working together rather than treating health and social care as separate systems. It means recognising that health does not begin at the hospital door. It means addressing the socioeconomic inequalities that drive poor health. It means tackling mental health earlier before people reach crisis. And it means confronting some of the deepest causes of trauma and ill health in our communities, including violence against women and children, domestic abuse, and other forms of abuse. Because NHS first cannot simply mean asking where we treat somebody once they become ill. It must also mean creating the conditions in which fewer people become ill, fewer people reach crisis, and fewer families need emergency intervention. So for me, that is also about holding on to the founding principle of our NHS that healthcare is a public good, there for people when they need it, regardless of their means or their backgrounds. And as, of course, Aneurin Bevan put that principle simply: 'No society can legitimately call itself civilized if a sick person is denied medical aid because of lack of means.' Deputy Llywydd, our responsibility is obviously not simply to defend that principle, but to make it work for the challenges that Wales faces today. Bringing waiting lists down matters, but so does building the NHS, the workforce, the community services and that healthier society that ensures that we leave our NHS stronger than we first found it. Ddirprwy Lywydd, yn amlwg, nid oes neb yn y Siambr hon eisiau i gleifion orfod aros yn hwy am driniaeth. Ac os oes capasiti ar gael a all gael eu llawdriniaeth wedi'i gwneud yn ddiogel yn gynt i rywun, rwy'n deall pam y mae Llywodraethau, gan gynnwys Llywodraeth Cymru flaenorol, wedi edrych ar y sector preifat. Ond rwy'n credu bod y ddadl heddiw yn gofyn inni edrych y tu hwnt i'r rhestrau aros uniongyrchol ac ystyried pa fath o GIG rydym eisiau ei adeiladu ar gyfer y dyfodol. A dyna lle rwy'n credu bod yn rhaid i'r gweithlu gael rhan ganolog yn y drafodaeth. Yma yng Nghymru, mae 'Agenda ar gyfer Newid' yn darparu'r fframwaith ar gyfer cyflogau, a'r telerau ac amodau pwysig ar gyfer staff y GIG a gyflogir yn fwyaf uniongyrchol. Mae Unison Cymru wedi rhybuddio na all byrddau iechyd ddisgwyl recriwtio a chadw staff heb fynd i'r afael â chyflogau'r GIG. Mae hefyd wedi bod yn hollol eglur wrth alw am ddiogelu'r GIG yng Nghymru rhag preifateiddio. Felly, pan fydd arian cyhoeddus yn cael ei wario ar brynu gwasanaethau ychwanegol a chapasiti y tu allan i GIG Cymru, dylem ofyn nid yn unig, 'Faint o gleifion fydd hyn yn eu trin heddiw?' ond hefyd, 'Beth y mae hyn yn ei wneud mewn gwirionedd o ran y capasiti a materion gweithlu ein GIG ar gyfer yfory?' Nid oes angen i hon fod yn ddadl ideolegol. Lle mae capasiti preifat yn gwbl angenrheidiol i sicrhau bod cleifion yn cael triniaeth yn gynt, dylem fod yn bragmataidd. Dyna pam rwy'n cefnogi'r egwyddor o GIG yn gyntaf, ond nid oes raid i GIG yn gyntaf olygu GIG yn unig wrth gwrs. Ond dylai ein huchelgais fwy hirdymor bob amser fod yn llawer mwy; dylai olygu adeiladu cryfder a chapasiti ein GIG a'r gwasanaethau cyhoeddus o'i gwmpas. Mae'n golygu bod ein GIG a'n gofal cymunedol yn gweithio gyda'i gilydd yn hytrach na thrin iechyd a gofal cymdeithasol fel systemau ar wahân. Mae'n golygu cydnabod nad yw iechyd yn dechrau wrth ddrws yr ysbyty. Mae'n golygu mynd i'r afael â'r anghydraddoldebau economaidd-gymdeithasol sy'n arwain at iechyd gwael. Mae'n golygu mynd i'r afael ag iechyd meddwl yn gynt cyn i bobl wynebu argyfwng. Ac mae'n golygu wynebu rhai o achosion dyfnaf trawma a salwch yn ein cymunedau, gan gynnwys trais yn erbyn menywod a phlant, cam-drin domestig, a mathau eraill o gamdriniaeth. Oherwydd rhaid i GIG yn gyntaf olygu mwy na dim ond gofyn ble y byddwn yn trin rhywun pan fyddant yn sâl. Rhaid iddo hefyd olygu creu'r amodau lle mae llai o bobl yn mynd yn sâl, llai o bobl yn mynd i argyfwng, a llai o deuluoedd angen ymyrraeth argyfwng. Felly, i mi, mae hynny hefyd yn ymwneud â dal gafael ar egwyddor sylfaenol ein GIG fod gofal iechyd yn nwydd cyhoeddus, yno i bobl pan fydd ei angen arnynt, beth bynnag y bo'u modd neu eu cefndir. Ac fel y nododd Aneurin Bevan yr egwyddor honno'n syml: 'Ni all unrhyw gymdeithas alw ei hun yn waraidd os gwrthodir cymorth meddygol i rywun sâl oherwydd diffyg modd.' Ddirprwy Lywydd, ein cyfrifoldeb ni yn amlwg yw diogelu'r egwyddor honno, a gwneud iddi weithio ar gyfer yr heriau sy'n wynebu Cymru heddiw. Mae dod â rhestrau aros i lawr yn bwysig, ond felly hefyd y mae adeiladu'r GIG, y gweithlu, y gwasanaethau cymunedol a'r gymdeithas iachach honno sy'n sicrhau ein bod yn gadael ein GIG yn gryfach nag y daethom ato'n gyntaf. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780730 293 En 2026-10-21T16:24:09 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=10451&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=10451&l=cy 261021-7 6. Dadl Ddeddfwriaethol Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Bil y GIG yn gyntaf 6. Members' Legislative Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): An NHS first Bill C 12141 12141 Zaynub Akbar AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12141 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12141 Akbar, Zaynub Thank you to Gwyn for bringing this debate to the Chamber. I'm pleased to contribute to this debate, which shines a light on the importance of keeping our NHS in public ownership, and not fall victim to creeping privatisation. At some point, every one of us will rely on the NHS. It has cared for our loved ones and communities in their times of need. And we must protect a service that provides care free at the point of need. Cardiff is often a hub for specialist NHS services, serving people from all across Wales. My constituency of Caerdydd Ffynnon Taf is home to the University Hospital of Wales, Cardiff Royal Infirmary, Noah's Ark Children's Hospital for Wales and Velindre University NHS Trust. These hospitals have been caring for people from all across Wales for decades, and with roughly 700,000 people on NHS waiting lists in Wales, the answer must be to invest in our public health service. This is particularly important when it comes to women's health. Despite making up more than half of the population, women-specific healthcare needs have historically been overlooked and underfunded. Endometriosis is just one example. Roughly one in 10 women are affected by this debilitating condition, and given concerns about the future of Wales's only NHS British Society for Gynaecological Endoscopy-accredited endometriosis centre in Cardiff, protecting these specialist services must remain our priority. Greater reliance on private healthcare risks creating a two-tier system, where those who can afford treatment get help sooner, while others who can't are left waiting for years. So, Deputy Llywydd, ultimately, we must invest in our NHS and protect its public provision at the point of need. An NHS Bill that strengthens these principles would only be a positive step forward for the people of Wales. Diolch. Diolch i Gwyn am ddod â'r ddadl hon i'r Siambr. Rwy'n falch o gyfrannu at y ddadl sy'n taflu goleuni ar bwysigrwydd cadw ein GIG mewn dwylo cyhoeddus, a pheidio â dioddef preifateiddio cynyddol. Ar ryw adeg, bydd pob un ohonom yn dibynnu ar y GIG. Mae wedi gofalu am ein hanwyliaid a'n cymunedau ar eu hadegau o angen. Ac mae'n rhaid inni ddiogelu gwasanaeth sy'n darparu gofal am ddim pryd a lle bynnag y bo'i angen. Mae Caerdydd yn aml yn hyb ar gyfer gwasanaethau GIG arbenigol sy'n gwasanaethu pobl o bob cwr o Gymru. Mae fy etholaeth, Caerdydd Ffynnon Taf, yn gartref i Ysbyty Athrofaol Cymru, Ysbyty Brenhinol Caerdydd, Ysbyty Plant Arch Noa Cymru ac Ymddiriedolaeth GIG Prifysgol Felindre. Mae'r ysbytai hyn wedi bod yn gofalu am bobl o bob cwr o Gymru ers degawdau, a gydag oddeutu 700,000 o bobl ar restrau aros y GIG yng Nghymru, rhaid mai'r ateb yw buddsoddi yn ein gwasanaeth iechyd cyhoeddus. Mae hyn yn arbennig o bwysig yn achos iechyd menywod. Er eu bod yn fwy na hanner y boblogaeth, mae anghenion gofal iechyd penodol menywod wedi cael eu hanwybyddu a'u tanariannu yn y gorffennol. Dim ond un enghraifft yw endometriosis. Mae'r cyflwr gwanychol hwn yn effeithio ar oddeutu un o bob 10 menyw, ac o ystyried pryderon am ddyfodol unig ganolfan endometriosis achrededig gan Gymdeithas Endosgopi Gynaecolegol Prydeinig y GIG yng Nghaerdydd, rhaid i ddiogelu'r gwasanaethau arbenigol hyn barhau i fod yn flaenoriaeth i ni. Mae mwy o ddibyniaeth ar ofal iechyd preifat yn creu perygl o system ddwy haen, lle mae'r rhai sy'n gallu fforddio triniaeth yn cael help yn gynt, tra bod eraill na allant ei fforddio'n cael eu gadael i aros am flynyddoedd. Felly, Ddirprwy Lywydd, yn y pen draw, rhaid inni fuddsoddi yn ein GIG a diogelu ei ddarpariaeth gyhoeddus pryd a lle bynnag y bo'i angen. Byddai Bil GIG sy'n cryfhau'r egwyddorion hyn yn gam cadarnhaol ymlaen i bobl Cymru. Diolch. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780726 294 En 2026-10-21T16:25:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=10502&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=10502&l=cy 261021-7 6. Dadl Ddeddfwriaethol Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Bil y GIG yn gyntaf 6. Members' Legislative Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): An NHS first Bill C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780728 295 Cy 2026-10-21T16:26:10 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=10572&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=10572&l=en 261021-7 6. Dadl Ddeddfwriaethol Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Bil y GIG yn gyntaf 6. Members' Legislative Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): An NHS first Bill C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Diolch. Galwaf ar y Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal, Mabon ap Gwynfor. Thank you. I call on the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care, Mabon ap Gwynfor. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780729 296 Cy 2026-10-21T16:26:15 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=10577&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=10577&l=en 261021-7 6. Dadl Ddeddfwriaethol Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Bil y GIG yn gyntaf 6. Members' Legislative Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): An NHS first Bill C 269 269 Mabon ap Gwynfor AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 Cabinet Minister for Health and Care Y Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal ap Gwynfor, Mabon Diolch, Ddirprwy Lywydd. Dwi'n croesawu'r cyfle i gyfrannu i'r ddadl yma ac ymateb i'r cynnig sydd o'n blaenau ni. Dwi hefyd am ddiolch i'r Aelod dan sylw am fod yn eiriolwr diflino dros ein gwasanaeth iechyd, a dwi'n gwybod ei fod yn dod â phrofiad proffesiynol gwerthfawr iawn i'r ddadl hon heddiw. Mae yna lawer iawn yn y cynnig y gall y rhan fwyaf o Aelodau ar draws y Siambr ei gefnogi, fel rydyn ni wedi ei glywed. Rydyn ni oll eisiau gwasanaeth iechyd gwladol cryfach yng Nghymru, gyda mwy o ofal yn cael ei ddarparu mewn lleoliadau NHS lle bynnag y bo modd, a chleifion yn cael gofal amserol, diogel ac o safon uchel. Fel Llywodraeth, rydyn ni'n gadarn yn ein cred bod y gwasanaeth iechyd yn perthyn i bobl Cymru, ac er y byddai rhai cymeriadau gwleidyddol a'u noddwyr cyfoethog amheus ac anatebol yn hoffi meddwl fel arall, dyw ein gwasanaeth iechyd gwerthfawr ni ddim ar werth a fydd o byth ar werth tra byddwn ni wrth y llyw. Fe wnaethon ni etifeddu ôl-groniad sylweddol o gleifion sydd wedi aros yn rhy hir am driniaeth. Ein blaenoriaeth ni felly yw adeiladu capasiti'r NHS, cynyddu gweithgarwch a rhoi'r gefnogaeth sydd ei hangen ar dimau clinigol i drin mwy o gleifion yn ddiogel o fewn NHS Cymru. Mae'r Llywodraeth yn cytuno â'r egwyddorion canolog y tu ôl i'r cynnig. Mi ddylai capasiti'r NHS gael ei ddatblygu a'i ddefnyddio bryd bynnag y bo modd. Dylai penderfyniadau gael eu harwain gan ystyriaethau clinigol. Mae'n rhaid rhoi diogelwch cleifion yn gyntaf a rhaid i gapasiti ychwanegol bod yn dryloyw efo mesurau llywodraethiant priodol ar waith. Y cwestiwn yw: beth yw'r ffordd orau o gyflawni'r ymrwymiadau rydyn ni wedi'u gwneud i bobl Cymru, yn enwedig ein hymrwymiad i leihau amseroedd aros a chael gwared ar yr arosiadau hiraf? Thank you, Dirprwy Lywydd. I welcome the opportunity to contribute to this debate and to respond to the motion before us. I would also like to thank the Member in question for being a tireless advocate for our health service, and I know that he brings very valuable professional experience to this debate. There is a great deal in the motion that the majority of Members across the Chamber can support, as we've already heard. We all want a stronger national health service in Wales, with more care provided in NHS settings wherever possible, and patients receiving timely, safe and high-quality care. As a Government, we firmly believe that the health service belongs to the people of Wales, and although certain political figures, along with their wealthy, questionable and unaccountable backers, might think otherwise, our precious health service is not for sale and never will be while we are at the helm. We inherited a significant backlog of patients who have waited far too long for treatment. Our priority, therefore, is to build NHS capacity, increase activity and provide the support that clinical teams need to treat more patients safely within NHS Wales. The Government agrees with the core principles underpinning the motion. NHS capacity should be developed and utilised wherever possible. Decisions should be guided by clinical considerations. Patient safety must be prioritised and any additional capacity must be transparent with appropriate governance measures in place. The question is: what is the best way to deliver on the commitments that we have made to the people of Wales, particularly our commitment to reduce waiting times and to eliminate the longest waits? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780733 297 En 2026-10-21T16:28:13 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=10695&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=10695&l=cy 261021-7 6. Dadl Ddeddfwriaethol Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Bil y GIG yn gyntaf 6. Members' Legislative Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): An NHS first Bill C 269 269 Mabon ap Gwynfor AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 ap Gwynfor, Mabon Our planned care reset and delivery plan is firmly focused on that objective. The plan was developed with national clinical leaders, speciality leaders and NHS operational experts. It is increasing NHS capacity and productivity, redesigning pathways and exploring dedicated surgical and diagnostic hubs. Our aim isn't simply to purchase short-term activity, but to build a stronger and more sustainable NHS service. We're already seeing this approach support progress in tackling waits of more than 104 weeks, with most additional activity being delivered within NHS Wales itself. By drawing on the expertise of our clinical and operational teams, strengthening weekly planning and making better use of existing capacity, we are supporting more patients to receive care within the NHS, with independent capacity used selectively where needed. Clinical leadership runs throughout the plan. Clinical leaders are identifying opportunities to increase productivity, redesign pathways and safely increase activity, keeping decisions focused on what is best for patients. Dirprwy Lywydd, our overriding responsibility as a Government is to deliver the programme for government. That means reducing waiting times, eliminating excessive waits and ensuring that patients receive treatment when they need it. People waiting for surgery, diagnostics or out-patient appointments are not concerned with organisational boundaries. They are concerned with receiving safe and timely care. Health boards are expected to maximise NHS capacity by improving productivity, by using their workforce effectively and strengthening clinical pathways. But health boards must also make responsible choices. They're expected to consider how NHS capacity can be maximised before commissioning additional provision. This isn't a new approach; the NHS has long commissioned services from external providers where necessary to supplement its own capacity. Where patients would otherwise face excessive delays, health boards must retain the ability to plan services around clinical need, local capacity and the responsibility to reduce harmful waits. Importantly, there are already robust arrangements in place to ensure accountability and transparency. Health boards publish planned care performance monthly, including progress against delivery trajectories, waiting times, activity and recovery plans. The Welsh Government scrutinises delivery weekly so that emerging issues can be addressed promptly. Dirprwy Lywydd, patient safety must remain at the heart of every decision we take. Where additional capacity is used, established arrangements must ensure care is safe, clinically appropriate and properly monitored, including quality, outcomes, follow-up and continuity of care. Clinical leaders must be able to raise concerns where proposed arrangements do not provide safe treatment, effective governance or appropriate follow-up, and those concerns must be acted upon. The motion also raises important questions about the future sustainability of planned care services. Alongside tackling waiting times, we must build a stronger and more resilient system through more day-care surgery, higher productivity, fewer unnecessary follow-ups and better use of diagnostics and theatres. The expert group considering surgical and diagnostic hubs is central to that work. Dedicated elective facilities could protect planned care from emergency pressures, improve access and support a more sustainable NHS-led model. Mae ein cynllun ailosod a chyflawni ar gyfer gofal wedi'i gynllunio yn canolbwyntio'n gadarn ar yr amcan hwnnw. Datblygwyd y cynllun gydag arweinwyr clinigol cenedlaethol, arweinwyr arbenigol ac arbenigwyr gweithredol y GIG. Mae'n cynyddu capasiti a chynhyrchiant y GIG, yn ailgynllunio llwybrau ac yn archwilio hybiau llawfeddygol a diagnostig pwrpasol. Nid prynu gweithgaredd tymor byr yn unig yw ein nod, ond adeiladu gwasanaeth GIG cryfach a mwy cynaliadwy. Rydym eisoes yn gweld y dull hwn o weithredu yn cefnogi cynnydd ar fynd i'r afael ag amseroedd aros o fwy na 104 wythnos, gyda'r rhan fwyaf o weithgareddau ychwanegol yn cael eu darparu o fewn GIG Cymru ei hun. Drwy bwyso ar arbenigedd ein timau clinigol a gweithredol, cryfhau cynllunio wythnosol a gwneud gwell defnydd o'r capasiti presennol, rydym yn cefnogi mwy o gleifion i gael gofal o fewn y GIG, gyda chapasiti annibynnol yn cael ei ddefnyddio yn ddetholus lle bo angen. Mae arweinyddiaeth glinigol yn rhedeg drwy'r cynllun drwyddo draw. Mae arweinwyr clinigol yn nodi cyfleoedd i gynyddu cynhyrchiant, ailgynllunio llwybrau a chynyddu gweithgarwch yn ddiogel, gan gadw penderfyniadau i ganolbwyntio ar yr hyn sydd orau i gleifion. Ddirprwy Lywydd, ein prif gyfrifoldeb fel Llywodraeth yw cyflawni'r rhaglen lywodraethu. Mae hynny'n golygu lleihau amseroedd aros, dileu amseroedd aros gormodol a sicrhau bod cleifion yn cael triniaeth pan fydd ei angen arnynt. Nid yw ffiniau sefydliadol yn bwysig i bobl sy'n aros am lawdriniaeth, diagnosteg neu apwyntiadau cleifion allanol. Cael gofal diogel ac amserol sy'n bwysig iddynt. Disgwylir i fyrddau iechyd wneud y mwyaf o gapasiti'r GIG trwy wella cynhyrchiant, trwy ddefnyddio eu gweithlu'n effeithiol a chryfhau llwybrau clinigol. Ond rhaid i fyrddau iechyd wneud dewisiadau cyfrifol hefyd. Disgwylir iddynt ystyried sut y gellir gwneud y mwyaf o gapasiti'r GIG cyn comisiynu darpariaeth ychwanegol. Nid dull newydd yw hwn; mae'r GIG wedi comisiynu gwasanaethau gan ddarparwyr allanol lle bo angen i ategu ei gapasiti ei hun. Lle byddai cleifion fel arall yn wynebu oedi gormodol, rhaid i fyrddau iechyd gadw'r gallu i gynllunio gwasanaethau o amgylch angen clinigol, capasiti lleol a'r cyfrifoldeb i leihau amseroedd aros niweidiol. Yn bwysig, mae trefniadau cadarn eisoes ar waith i sicrhau atebolrwydd a thryloywder. Mae byrddau iechyd yn cyhoeddi perfformiad gofal wedi'i gynllunio bob mis, gan gynnwys cynnydd yn erbyn trywyddau cyflawni, amseroedd aros, gweithgaredd a chynlluniau adfer. Mae Llywodraeth Cymru yn craffu ar gyflawniad yn wythnosol fel y gellir mynd i'r afael â materion sy'n dod i'r amlwg yn ddioed. Ddirprwy Lywydd, rhaid i ddiogelwch cleifion aros yn ganolog i bob penderfyniad a wnawn. Pan ddefnyddir capasiti ychwanegol, rhaid i drefniadau sefydledig sicrhau bod gofal yn ddiogel, yn briodol yn glinigol ac yn cael ei fonitro'n gywir, gan gynnwys ansawdd, canlyniadau, gofal dilynol a dilyniant mewn gofal. Rhaid i arweinwyr clinigol allu codi pryderon lle nad yw'r trefniadau a argymhellwyd yn darparu triniaeth ddiogel, llywodraethu effeithiol neu ofal dilynol priodol, a rhaid gweithredu ar y pryderon hynny. Mae'r cynnig hefyd yn codi cwestiynau pwysig am gynaliadwyedd gwasanaethau gofal wedi'i gynllunio yn y dyfodol. Ochr yn ochr â mynd i'r afael ag amseroedd aros, rhaid inni adeiladu system gryfach a mwy gwydn trwy fwy o lawdriniaethau gofal dydd, mwy o gynhyrchiant, llai o weithgaredd dilynol diangen a gwell defnydd o ddiagnosteg a theatrau. Mae'r grŵp arbenigol sy'n ystyried hybiau llawfeddygol a diagnostig yn ganolog i'r gwaith hwnnw. Gallai cyfleusterau dewisol pwrpasol ddiogelu gofal wedi'i gynllunio rhag pwysau gofal argyfwng, gwella mynediad a chefnogi model mwy cynaliadwy dan arweiniad y GIG. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780731 298 En 2026-10-21T16:30:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=10802&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=10802&l=cy 261021-7 6. Dadl Ddeddfwriaethol Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Bil y GIG yn gyntaf 6. Members' Legislative Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): An NHS first Bill C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780776 299 Cy 261021-7 6. Dadl Ddeddfwriaethol Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Bil y GIG yn gyntaf 6. Members' Legislative Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): An NHS first Bill I Daeth y Llywydd (Huw Irranca-Davies) i’r Gadair. The Llywydd (Huw Irranca-Davies) took the Chair. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780737 300 Cy 2026-10-21T16:32:02 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=10924&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=10924&l=en 261021-7 6. Dadl Ddeddfwriaethol Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Bil y GIG yn gyntaf 6. Members' Legislative Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): An NHS first Bill C 269 269 Mabon ap Gwynfor AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 ap Gwynfor, Mabon Mi rydym ni'n cefnogi egwyddorion y cynnig, sef gwneud y mwyaf o gapasiti'r NHS a chryfhau darpariaeth gynaliadwy oddi mewn iddo lle bynnag mae hynny'n briodol yn glinigol. Mae'r gyfraith bresennol, gan gynnwys Deddf Caffael y Gwasanaeth Iechyd (Cymru) 2024, eisoes yn cefnogi darparu cydweithredol a chomisiynu hyblyg. Trwy ddisgwyliadau cenedlaethol clir, llywodraethiant cryf a rheoli perfformiad tryloyw, gellir cyflawni'r nodau hyn gan ganiatáu i'r byrddau iechyd sicrhau gofal diogel ac amserol. Felly, does dim rheidrwydd, fel y saif pethau, i gyflwyno Deddf newydd eto. Mae yna le i edrych ar gryfhau llywodraethiant, ac mi ydyn ni'n gwneud hynny, a sicrhau tryloywder, sydd yn rhywbeth rydym ni hefyd yn ei wneud. Os ydym ni'n gweld nad yw hyn yn cael y canlyniadau rydym ni'n eu dymuno, efallai y gellir dod yn ôl ac edrych eto ar Ddeddf newydd. Ond mae yna bethau y gellir eu gwneud ar hyn o bryd, ac yr ydym ni fel Llywodraeth newydd yn eu gwneud, sydd ddim yn golygu bod angen deddfu—ac wrth gwrs, does dim angen deddfu yn ddiangen chwaith. Mae Cymru hefyd wedi dilyn dull gwahanol o fuddsoddi mewn seilwaith, gan wneud llai o ddefnydd o PFI na Lloegr yn y gorffennol. Mae Cymru hefyd wedi datblygu modelau eraill i gryfhau rôl y sector cyhoeddus, gwella tryloywder a sicrhau mwy o fudd i gymunedau. All cleifion ddim aros os oes camau gweithredu y gellir eu cymryd rŵan. Maen nhw'n dyheu am weld newid positif rŵan, ac mae eu galwadau nhw'n gwbl gyfiawn. Y prawf yw a yw'r gofal yn ddiogel, yn amserol, yn rhad ac am ddim ar y pwynt o ddefnyddio, ac yn sicrhau'r canlyniadau gorau lle bynnag mae'n cael ei gomisiynu. Mi fyddwn ni bob amser yn ceisio cryfhau darpariaeth yr NHS, gan gydnabod hefyd bod rhaid i fyrddau iechyd allu gweithredu'n gyfrifol pan fydd angen capasiti ychwanegol i atal niwed y gellir ei osgoi. Am y rhesymau hynny, rydym ni'n cefnogi'r cynnig. Rydym ni'n gwneud hynny ar y sail bod modd cyflawni ei egwyddorion o gryfhau capasiti'r NHS, gwarchod diogelwch cleifion, sicrhau arweinyddiaeth glinigol a gwella tryloywder, a hynny heb ddefnyddio deddfwriaeth o reidrwydd eto. Mi fyddwn ni'n parhau i ganolbwyntio ar gyflawni, sef cynyddu capasiti'r NHS, lleihau'r ôl-groniad yr ydym ni wedi'i etifeddu, a galluogi penderfyniadau diogel sy'n cael eu llywio gan farn glinigol ac sydd er budd gorau cleifion. Diolch. We do support the principles behind the motion, namely maximising NHS capacity and strengthening sustainable provision within it, wherever this is clinically appropriate. The existing legislation, including the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Act 2024, already supports collaborative delivery and flexible commissioning. Through clear national expectations, robust governance and transparent performance management, these goals can be achieved, enabling health boards to ensure safe and timely care. Therefore, there is no necessity as things currently stand to introduce further new legislation. There is scope to look at strengthening governance, and we are doing so, and ensuring transparency, which is also something that we are doing. If it becomes apparent that these measures have not yielded the desired results, then we may need to revisit the possibility of new legislation. But there are things that can be done, and that we as a new Government are doing, that do not require new legislation—and, of course, there is no need to legislate unnecessarily either. Wales has also adopted a different approach to infrastructure investment, having made less use of PFI than England in the past. Furthermore, Wales has developed alternative models designed to strengthen the role of the public sector, enhance transparency and deliver greater benefits to communities. Patients cannot afford to wait if there are actions that can be taken now. They want to see positive change now, and their demands are entirely justified. The ultimate test is whether the care provided is safe, timely, free at the point of use, and delivers the best possible outcomes, wherever it is commissioned. We will always seek to strengthen NHS provision, while also acknowledging that health boards must be able to act responsibly when additional capacity is required to prevent avoidable harm. For these reasons, we can support the motion, and we do so on the basis that its principles, namely strengthening NHS capacity, safeguarding patient safety, ensuring clinical leadership, and improving transparency, can be achieved without necessarily resorting to additional legislation. We will continue to focus on delivery, namely increasing NHS capacity, reducing the backlog we have inherited, and enabling safe decisions that are informed by clinical judgment and in the best interests of patients. Thank you. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780750 301 Cy 2026-10-21T16:34:42 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=11084&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=11084&l=en 261021-7 6. Dadl Ddeddfwriaethol Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Bil y GIG yn gyntaf 6. Members' Legislative Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): An NHS first Bill C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Diolch, Weinidog Cabinet. Galwaf ar Gwyn Williams i ymateb i'r ddadl. Thank you, Cabinet Minister. I call on Gwyn Williams to reply to the debate. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780751 302 Cy 2026-10-21T16:34:48 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=11090&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=11090&l=en 261021-7 6. Dadl Ddeddfwriaethol Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Bil y GIG yn gyntaf 6. Members' Legislative Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): An NHS first Bill C 5083 5083 Gwyn Williams https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5083 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5083 Williams, Gwyn Diolch, Lywydd. Diolch, Weinidog Cabinet. Faint o amser sydd gen i ar ôl? Munud a hanner. Ocê.  Thank you, Llywydd. Thank you, Cabinet Minister. How much time do I have left? A minute and a half. Okay. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780752 303 En 2026-10-21T16:34:58 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=11100&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=11100&l=cy 261021-7 6. Dadl Ddeddfwriaethol Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Bil y GIG yn gyntaf 6. Members' Legislative Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): An NHS first Bill C 5083 5083 Gwyn Williams https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5083 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5083 Williams, Gwyn First of all, I thank everyone who took part in the debate from all sides. Before I come on to the specifics, just to reassure Benjamin and Natasha that this is absolutely not about discriminating against the private sector at all, it's just about doing what we can in-house and what we can't outside of the house. Because there are risks—safety risks, but also continuity-of-care risks, follow-up risks—all kinds of things that make it more desirable to do the work in-house. I myself have been in a strange position, for example, whereby our waiting lists for seeing patients—out-patient appointments—have been going behind. And I want to see more, but I'm told that, because of outsourcing and because there's a lack of money for doing the work in-house, the only way I would have been able to see my own patients is by joining the company and seeing them in a whole different environment, which is very odd. That's why I wanted to bring this to all of your attention, specifically so that we just put the horse before the cart and we try to do things in a sensible, cheaper and safer way beforehand. So, just to reassure you, we're not going to ban the private companies altogether. This is absolutely not the aim of this. It's just about there being a presumption to do the work in-house first.  I agree with Shav: this is not an ideological argument at all, it's more of a scientific and commonsense argument. I'm grateful to all the people who spoke. I was going to list them all, but there are too many and time is running out. But also the people who wanted to speak but there was no time as well: Leticia, Sarah Rees and Cristiana Emsley. I'm very grateful to her, again, not that she did speak, but that she wanted to speak, and I'm grateful for that. Thank you.  And lastly, just to say that this is all just about creating the conditions for allowing the national health service to survive. Aneurin Bevan—who has been quoted already, but I've got a different quote, thankfully—famously said that 'The NHS will last as long as there's folk with faith left to fight for it.' We're fighting for it. Diolch yn fawr. Yn gyntaf oll, diolch i bawb a gymerodd ran yn y ddadl o bob ochr. Cyn imi ddod at y manylion, os caf roi sicrwydd i Benjamin a Natasha nad yw hyn yn ymwneud â gwahaniaethu yn erbyn y sector preifat o gwbl, mae'n ymwneud â gwneud yr hyn a allwn yn fewnol a'r hyn na allwn yn allanol. Oherwydd mae yna risgiau—risgiau diogelwch, ond hefyd risgiau o ran dilyniant mewn gofal, risgiau gofal dilynol—pob math o bethau sy'n ei gwneud hi'n fwy dymunol gwneud y gwaith yn fewnol. Rwyf i fy hun wedi bod mewn sefyllfa ryfedd, er enghraifft, lle mae ein rhestrau aros ar gyfer gweld cleifion—apwyntiadau cleifion allanol—wedi bod ar ei hôl hi. Ac rwyf eisiau gweld mwy o bobl, ond oherwydd allanoli ac oherwydd diffyg arian i wneud y gwaith yn fewnol, dywedir wrthyf mai'r unig ffordd y buaswn wedi gallu gweld fy nghleifion fy hun yw drwy ymuno â'r cwmni a'u gweld mewn amgylchedd hollol wahanol, sy'n rhyfedd iawn. Dyna pam fy mod i eisiau dod â hyn i'ch sylw, yn benodol fel ein bod ni'n rhoi'r ceffyl o flaen y cart a'n bod yn ceisio gwneud pethau mewn ffordd synhwyrol, ratach a mwy diogel ymlaen llaw. Felly, i dawelu eich meddyliau, nid ydym yn mynd i wahardd y cwmnïau preifat yn gyfan gwbl. Nid dyna yw nod hyn o gwbl. Mae'n ymwneud â rhagdybiaeth o blaid gwneud y gwaith yn fewnol yn gyntaf. Rwy'n cytuno â Shav: nid dadl ideolegol yw hon o gwbl, mae'n fwy o ddadl wyddonol a synnwyr cyffredin. Rwy'n ddiolchgar i'r holl bobl a siaradodd. Roeddwn i'n mynd i'w rhestru nhw i gyd, ond mae gormod ac mae amser yn brin. Ond hefyd y bobl a oedd eisiau siarad ond nad oedd amser iddynt wneud hynny: Leticia, Sarah Rees a Cristiana Emsley. Rwy'n ddiolchgar iawn iddi hi, eto, nid am ei bod hi wedi siarad, ond am ei bod hi eisiau siarad, ac rwy'n ddiolchgar am hynny. Diolch. Ac yn olaf, mae hyn i gyd yn ymwneud â chreu'r amodau i ganiatáu i'r gwasanaeth iechyd gwladol oroesi. Dywedodd Aneurin Bevan, sydd wedi cael ei ddyfynnu eisoes, ond mae gennyf ddyfyniad gwahanol, 'Bydd y GIG yn para cyhyd ag y bydd pobl â ffydd ar ôl i ymladd drosto.' Rydym ni'n ymladd drosto. Diolch yn fawr. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780732 304 En 2026-10-21T16:35:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=11102&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=11102&l=cy 261021-7 6. Dadl Ddeddfwriaethol Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Bil y GIG yn gyntaf 6. Members' Legislative Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): An NHS first Bill C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780744 305 Cy 2026-10-21T00:00:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=-48598&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=-48598&l=en 261021-7 6. Dadl Ddeddfwriaethol Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Bil y GIG yn gyntaf 6. Members' Legislative Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): An NHS first Bill C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780745 306 Cy 2026-10-21T16:35:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=11102&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=11102&l=en 261021-7 6. Dadl Ddeddfwriaethol Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Bil y GIG yn gyntaf 6. Members' Legislative Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): An NHS first Bill C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780736 307 Cy 2026-10-21T16:37:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=11222&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=11222&l=en 261021-7 6. Dadl Ddeddfwriaethol Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Bil y GIG yn gyntaf 6. Members' Legislative Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): An NHS first Bill C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Y cwestiwn yw: a ddylid derbyn y cynnig? A oes unrhyw Aelod yn gwrthwynebu? [Gwrthwynebiad.] Gohiriaf y bleidlais o dan yr eitem hon tan y cyfnod pleidleisio.  The proposal is to agree the motion. Does any Member object? [Objection.] There is objection. I will defer voting under this item until voting time. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780738 308 Cy 261021-7 6. Dadl Ddeddfwriaethol Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Bil y GIG yn gyntaf 6. Members' Legislative Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): An NHS first Bill I Gohiriwyd y pleidleisio tan y cyfnod pleidleisio. Voting deferred until voting time. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780787 309 Cy 261021-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Strategaeth canser y prostad 7. Reform UK Debate: Prostate cancer strategy I Detholwyd y gwelliant canlynol: gwelliant 1 yn enw Paul Davies. The following amendment has been selected: amendment 1 in the name of Paul Davies. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780741 310 Cy 2026-10-21T16:37:15 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=11237&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=11237&l=en 261021-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Strategaeth canser y prostad 7. Reform UK Debate: Prostate cancer strategy C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Symudwn ymlaen nawr at yr eitem nesaf, dadl Reform UK, strategaeth canser y prostad. Galwaf ar Benjamin Hodge Mckenna i wneud y cynnig.  We will now move to our next item, the Reform UK debate, prostate cancer strategy. I call on Benjamin Hodge Mckenna to move the motion.  16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780746 311 Cy 261021-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Strategaeth canser y prostad 7. Reform UK Debate: Prostate cancer strategy I Cynnig NDM9334 Llŷr Powell Cefnogwyd gan Andrew Griffin, Art Wright, Cristiana Emsley, Gareth Beer Cynnig bod y Senedd: 1. Yn galw ar Lywodraeth Cymru i gynnwys canser y prostad yn y strategaeth ganser genedlaethol ar gyfer Cymru. Motion NDM9334 Llŷr Powell Supported by Andrew Griffin, Art Wright, Cristiana Emsley, Gareth Beer To propose that the Senedd:  1. Calls on the Welsh Government to include prostate cancer in the national cancer strategy for Wales. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780747 312 Cy 261021-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Strategaeth canser y prostad 7. Reform UK Debate: Prostate cancer strategy I Cynigiwyd y cynnig. Motion moved. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780743 313 En 2026-10-21T16:37:27 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=11249&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=11249&l=cy 261021-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Strategaeth canser y prostad 7. Reform UK Debate: Prostate cancer strategy C 12142 12142 Benjamin Hodge Mckenna AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12142 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12142 Hodge Mckenna, Benjamin I stand today to move the motion tabled in the name of my colleague Llŷr Powell calling on the Government to explicitly include prostate cancer in the national cancer strategy for Wales. Prostate cancer is the most common form of cancer amongst men in Wales. Each year, more than 2,500 are diagnosed, and around 640 sadly die from the condition. If it's caught early, the outlook can be more positive. Nearly everybody diagnosed at stage 1 goes on to live for five years or more. But, if it's caught late, the picture is very different. Too many men in Wales are being diagnosed too late, particularly in our most deprived communities. The consequences of this are severe, and they're measured in lower quality of life, unnecessary suffering for patients and their families and too many people losing their lives too soon.  The 'National Prostate Cancer Audit State of the Nation Report 2026' found that prostate cancer diagnoses in Wales rose by 12 per cent between 2023 and 2024. That growth included more stage 1 diagnoses, which is an encouraging sign if it means that the disease is detected early. But it also shows the need for capacity and careful clinical planning in this area. In Wales, 54 per cent of men with high-risk or locally advanced prostate cancer received radical treatment. That's compared to 69 per cent in England. Serious concerns have also been raised regarding higher rates of emergency readmission after surgery and a significant drop in recorded numbers of radical prostatectomies—try saying that after a night out—and radical radiotherapy. The audit also raises serious questions about data quality in Wales. It highlights problems with incomplete data, data with linkage issues and underrecording. We also know that waiting times for cancer treatment remain a serious problem here. The 62-day target is still missed routinely, and diagnostic capacity needs to be addressed. Across Wales, particularly in north Wales, patients have faced unacceptable delays that have allowed their cancers to progress. If we don't have adequate data systems in place to track treatment and outcomes, it becomes incredibly difficult to make improvements to the system. Cancer is the leading cause of death in Wales and, for too long, we have lacked a proper cancer action plan as a nation. There is a clear need to implement a strategy that invests in modern diagnostic technologies and treatments and uses evidence-led screening initiatives that improve patient access. That is why I support the principle of the 10-year national cancer strategy. However, I have heard concerns from clinicians, campaigners and the third sector that prostate cancer will not receive the explicit focus, accountability and resources that it needs. So, today's debate is an opportunity for the Government to address those concerns and ensure that people across Wales who are suffering with prostate cancer get the attention and treatment they deserve. The fact is that there are serious questions that need to be asked with regard to prostate cancer in Wales. What assessment has the Government made of the UK National Screening Committee decision only to recommend a limited screening programme? Alongside that, what discussions has the Government held with the NHS and third sector about the feasibility of implementing a prostate cancer screening programme? And in the absence of a screening programme for all high-risk men, will the Government consider including other early-detection commitments within the cancer strategy to ensure that more men with prostate cancer are diagnosed early? A strategy that does not contain firm commitments that prostate cancer will be a priority risks leaving men behind. That is why today's motion was both reasonable and necessary. Prostate cancer needs more than a passing mention in the cancer strategy; it needs clear actions, including targets to increase the proportion of men who are diagnosed at an early stage, particularly in our most deprived communities; measurable improvements in the proportion of men with high-risk disease who receive timely radical treatment; urgent action to fix data quality issues so that progress can be monitored; plans to improve diagnostic and treatment capacity; and an integration with a broader men's health approach that encourages men to come forward sooner. Patients in Wales deserve to be diagnosed before their cancer has spread so that they can receive proper treatment in a timely manner. By explicitly prioritising prostate cancer in the national cancer strategy, the Government can take a practical step towards that goal. It will give clinicians, health boards and patients the clarity that they need, and it will give this Senedd the ability to hold the Government to account against delivery. Prostate cancer deserves a clear place in Wales's cancer strategy, one that is supported by resources, data and delivery. That way more men can be diagnosed early and more lives can be saved. Therefore, I urge Members to support our motion today. Diolch yn fawr. Rwy'n codi heddiw i wneud y cynnig a gyflwynwyd yn enw fy nghyd-Aelod Llŷr Powell yn galw ar y Llywodraeth i gynnwys canser y prostad yn benodol yn strategaeth ganser genedlaethol Cymru. Canser y prostad yw'r math mwyaf cyffredin o ganser ymhlith dynion yng Nghymru. Bob blwyddyn, mae mwy na 2,500 yn cael diagnosis, ac yn anffodus mae tua 640 yn marw o'r cyflwr. Os yw'n cael ei ddal yn gynnar, gall y rhagolygon fod yn fwy cadarnhaol. Mae bron bawb sy'n cael diagnosis yng ngham 1 yn byw am bum mlynedd neu fwy wedyn. Ond os caiff ei ddal yn hwyr, mae'r darlun yn wahanol iawn. Mae gormod o ddynion yng Nghymru yn cael diagnosis yn rhy hwyr, yn enwedig yn ein cymunedau mwyaf difreintiedig. Mae canlyniadau hyn yn ddifrifol, a chânt eu mesur mewn ansawdd bywyd is, dioddefaint diangen i gleifion a'u teuluoedd a gormod o bobl yn colli eu bywydau'n rhy fuan. Canfu adroddiad cenedlaethol yr archwiliad Cyflwr y Genedl 2026 i ganser y prostad fod diagnosau canser y prostad yng Nghymru wedi cynyddu 12 y cant rhwng 2023 a 2024. Roedd y twf hwnnw'n cynnwys mwy o ddiagnosau cam 1, sy'n arwydd calonogol os yw'n golygu bod y clefyd yn cael ei ganfod yn gynnar. Ond mae hefyd yn dangos yr angen am gapasiti a chynllunio clinigol gofalus yn y maes hwn. Yng Nghymru, cafodd 54 y cant o ddynion â chanser y prostad risg uchel neu ddatblygedig yn lleol driniaeth radical. Mae hynny'n cymharu â 69 y cant yn Lloegr. Mae pryderon difrifol wedi'u codi hefyd ynghylch cyfraddau uwch o ddynion yn cael eu haildderbyn i ofal argyfwng ar ôl llawdriniaeth a gostyngiad sylweddol yn y niferoedd a gofnodwyd o prostadectomïau radical—ceisiwch ddweud hynny ar ôl noson allan—a radiotherapi radical. Mae'r archwiliad hefyd yn codi cwestiynau difrifol am ansawdd data yng Nghymru. Mae'n tynnu sylw at broblemau gyda data anghyflawn, data gyda phroblemau cyswllt a thangofnodi. Gwyddom hefyd fod amseroedd aros am driniaeth canser yn parhau i fod yn broblem ddifrifol yma. Mae'r targed 62 diwrnod yn dal i gael ei fethu'n rheolaidd, ac mae angen mynd i'r afael â chapasiti diagnostig. Ledled Cymru, yn enwedig yng ngogledd Cymru, mae cleifion wedi wynebu oedi annerbyniol sydd wedi caniatáu i'w canserau ddatblygu. Os nad oes gennym systemau data digonol ar waith i olrhain triniaeth a chanlyniadau, mae'n anhygoel o anodd gwneud gwelliannau i'r system. Canser yw prif achos marwolaeth yng Nghymru ac am ormod o amser, ni fu gennym gynllun gweithredu priodol ar ganser fel cenedl. Mae angen gweithredu strategaeth sy'n buddsoddi mewn technolegau diagnostig a thriniaethau modern ac sy'n defnyddio mentrau sgrinio a arweinir gan dystiolaeth sy'n gwella mynediad cleifion. Dyna pam fy mod yn cefnogi egwyddor y strategaeth ganser genedlaethol 10 mlynedd. Fodd bynnag, rwyf wedi clywed pryderon gan glinigwyr, ymgyrchwyr a'r trydydd sector na fydd y ffocws penodol, yr atebolrwydd a'r adnoddau angenrheidiol yn cael eu rhoi i ganser y prostad. Felly, mae'r ddadl heddiw yn gyfle i'r Llywodraeth fynd i'r afael â'r pryderon hynny a sicrhau bod pobl ledled Cymru sy'n dioddef o ganser y prostad yn cael y sylw a'r driniaeth y maent yn ei haeddu. Y gwir amdani yw bod angen gofyn cwestiynau difrifol ynglŷn â chanser y prostad yng Nghymru. Pa asesiad y mae'r Llywodraeth wedi'i wneud o benderfyniad Pwyllgor Sgrinio Cenedlaethol y DU i argymell rhaglen sgrinio gyfyngedig yn unig? Ochr yn ochr â hynny, pa drafodaethau y mae'r Llywodraeth wedi'u cynnal gyda'r GIG a'r trydydd sector ynglŷn â dichonoldeb gweithredu rhaglen sgrinio canser y prostad? Ac yn absenoldeb rhaglen sgrinio ar gyfer pob dyn risg uchel, a wnaiff y Llywodraeth ystyried cynnwys ymrwymiadau canfod cynnar eraill yn y strategaeth ganser i sicrhau bod mwy o ddynion â chanser y prostad yn cael diagnosis cynnar? Mae strategaeth nad yw'n cynnwys ymrwymiadau cadarn y bydd canser y prostad yn flaenoriaeth mewn perygl o adael dynion ar ôl. Dyna pam y mae'r cynnig heddiw yn rhesymol ac yn angenrheidiol. Mae angen mwy na sôn am ganser y prostad yn y strategaeth ganser; mae angen camau gweithredu clir, gan gynnwys targedau i gynyddu'r gyfran o ddynion sy'n cael diagnosis yn gynnar, yn enwedig yn ein cymunedau mwyaf difreintiedig; gwelliannau mesuradwy yn y gyfran o ddynion â chlefyd risg uchel sy'n cael triniaeth radical amserol; gweithredu ar frys i ddatrys problemau ansawdd data fel y gellir monitro cynnydd; cynlluniau i wella capasiti diagnostig a thriniaeth; ac integreiddio â dull iechyd dynion ehangach sy'n annog dynion i fynd at eu meddyg yn gynt. Mae cleifion yng Nghymru yn haeddu cael diagnosis cyn i'w canser ledaenu fel y gallant gael triniaeth briodol mewn modd amserol. Drwy flaenoriaethu canser y prostad yn benodol yn y strategaeth ganser genedlaethol, gall y Llywodraeth gymryd cam ymarferol tuag at y nod hwnnw. Bydd yn rhoi'r eglurder sydd ei angen ar glinigwyr, byrddau iechyd a chleifion, a bydd yn rhoi'r gallu i'r Senedd hon ddwyn y Llywodraeth i gyfrif yn ôl ei chyflawniad. Mae canser y prostad yn haeddu lle clir yn strategaeth ganser Cymru, un a gefnogir gan adnoddau, data a chyflawniad. Yn y ffordd honno, gellir darparu diagnosis yn gynnar i fwy o ddynion a gellir achub mwy o fywydau. Felly, rwy'n annog Aelodau i gefnogi ein cynnig heddiw. Diolch yn fawr. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780735 314 En 2026-10-21T16:40:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=11402&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=11402&l=cy 261021-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Strategaeth canser y prostad 7. Reform UK Debate: Prostate cancer strategy C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780756 315 Cy 2026-10-21T16:43:49 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=11631&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=11631&l=en 261021-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Strategaeth canser y prostad 7. Reform UK Debate: Prostate cancer strategy C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Rwyf wedi dethol y gwelliant i'r cynnig. Galwaf ar Paul Davies i gynnig gwelliant 1 a gyflwynwyd yn ei enw ei hun.  I have selected the amendment to the motion. I call on Paul Davies to move amendment 1 tabled in his own name. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780758 316 Cy 261021-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Strategaeth canser y prostad 7. Reform UK Debate: Prostate cancer strategy I Gwelliant 1—Paul Davies Ychwanegu pwynt newydd ar ddiwedd y cynnig: Yn galw ar Lywodraeth Cymru i gyflwyno rhaglen sgrinio genedlaethol ar gyfer canser y prostad. Amendment 1—Paul Davies Add as new point at end of motion: Calls on the Welsh Government to introduce a national prostate cancer screening programme. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780759 317 Cy 261021-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Strategaeth canser y prostad 7. Reform UK Debate: Prostate cancer strategy I Cynigiwyd gwelliant 1. Amendment 1 moved. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780760 318 En 2026-10-21T16:43:57 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=11639&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=11639&l=cy 261021-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Strategaeth canser y prostad 7. Reform UK Debate: Prostate cancer strategy C 145 145 Paul Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=145 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=145 Davies, Paul Diolch, Lywydd. I move the amendment tabled in my name. As Members are already aware, I am living with prostate cancer and, as such, I believe that that experience has given me a real insight into the challenges faced by patients and indeed their families across Wales. As has already been said, I'm one of more than 2,500 men who are diagnosed with prostate cancer every year here in Wales and, as we've already heard, around 640 men die from it. It's because of the high prevalence of men in Wales who are diagnosed with it that I believe it has to be included in the national cancer strategy for Wales. Indeed, in the written questions that I've tabled to the Cabinet Minister, the responses have included actions that would be taken via the national cancer strategy, and so I have no reason to believe that it wouldn't inform some part of the future thinking of this Government. I have to say that I welcome the consultation on the national cancer strategy, because it's a good opportunity to think a bit more innovatively about how services can be delivered in the future. However, this consultation must be more than a tick-box exercise, and as we've so often heard in the past, whether it's a Welsh Government consultation or a health board consultation, patients' voices must be heard. It's absolutely essential that this consultation is meaningful, that those who engage with it are confident that their views are genuinely being considered, and that the final strategy reflects the submissions it receives. So, I hope that the Cabinet Minister will give that assurance to us today in his response to this debate. Now, as our amendment makes very clear, the Welsh Conservatives want to see a national screening programme introduced by the Welsh Government. I believe that earlier detection improves patient outcomes, and as Prostate Cancer Research tells us, when prostate cancer is detected early, survival rates are close to 100 per cent. And this is not a party political point. I have worked constructively with colleagues in other parties and in other political institutions to call for a national screening programme. For example, I joined the Labour peer Lord Kevin Brennan to raise awareness of some of the symptoms of prostate cancer. We both shared our different prostate cancer journeys, and we discussed why we believe a national screening programme should be introduced. But whether you agree or disagree with a national screening programme, there is clearly a shared understanding across political parties that more can and should be done when it comes to prostate cancer, so I hope that this spirit of co-operation will continue as this strategy is developed. Now, a key section of the Welsh Government's national cancer strategy consultation considers the opportunities presented by advances in medical technology. We are witnessing significant developments in diagnostic tools and various innovative treatments, many of which are transforming outcomes for patients, including focal therapy, stereotactic ablative radiotherapy and many other treatments. These technological developments can have huge potential, not only to improve survival rates, but also to enhance quality of life for those living with prostate cancer. These technologies must be available to men in all parts of Wales, irrespective of where they live, and I hope the new strategy will show how patients are able to access these specific treatments. Of course, alongside investment in technology, there must also be a commitment to supporting the workforce and ensuring that healthcare professionals have the capacity, training and resources they need to deliver these treatments effectively. Llywydd, the forthcoming national cancer strategy presents an important opportunity to improve cancer outcomes across Wales, but to achieve that goal, there must be a meaningful consultation process, a commitment to earlier diagnosis and screening, investment in cutting-edge technologies and a determination to provide equitable access to the care and treatment that patients need wherever they live in Wales. We have a responsibility to the men already living with prostate cancer in Wales and to those that will be diagnosed with prostate cancer to use this opportunity to get this strategy right. And as for a national screening programme, Wales can lead the way if it wants to. We don't have to follow England, we don't have to follow other parts of the UK. So, I urge the Welsh Government to commit to exploring this further at the very least. We all want to deliver better outcomes for men diagnosed with prostate cancer across Wales, and so we will be supporting this motion this afternoon, and I urge Members to support my amendment. Diolch, Lywydd. Rwy'n cynnig y gwelliant a gyflwynwyd yn fy enw i. Fel y mae'r Aelodau'n ymwybodol eisoes, rwy'n byw gyda chanser y prostad ac fel y cyfryw, rwy'n credu bod y profiad hwnnw wedi rhoi cipolwg go iawn i mi ar yr heriau sy'n wynebu cleifion, a'u teuluoedd yn wir, ledled Cymru. Fel y dywedwyd eisoes, rwy'n un o fwy na 2,500 o ddynion sy'n cael diagnosis o ganser y prostad bob blwyddyn yma yng Nghymru ac fel y clywsom eisoes, mae tua 640 o ddynion yn marw ohono. Oherwydd y nifer uchel o ddynion yng Nghymru sy'n cael diagnosis ohono, rwy'n credu bod yn rhaid ei gynnwys yn strategaeth ganser genedlaethol Cymru. Yn wir, yn y cwestiynau ysgrifenedig a gyflwynais i'r Gweinidog Cabinet, mae'r ymatebion wedi cynnwys camau a fyddai'n cael eu cyflawni trwy gyfrwng y strategaeth ganser genedlaethol, ac felly nid oes gennyf unrhyw reswm dros gredu na fyddai'n llywio rhyw ran o ystyriaeth y Llywodraeth hon yn y dyfodol. Rhaid imi ddweud fy mod yn croesawu'r ymgynghoriad ar y strategaeth ganser genedlaethol, oherwydd mae'n gyfle da i feddwl ychydig yn fwy arloesol ynglŷn â sut y gellir darparu gwasanaethau yn y dyfodol. Fodd bynnag, rhaid i'r ymgynghoriad hwn fod yn fwy nag ymarfer ticio blychau, ac fel y clywsom mor aml yn y gorffennol, boed yn ymgynghoriad Llywodraeth Cymru neu ymgynghoriad bwrdd iechyd, rhaid i leisiau cleifion gael eu clywed. Mae'n gwbl hanfodol fod yr ymgynghoriad hwn yn ystyrlon, fod y rhai sy'n cyfrannu ato'n hyderus fod eu barn yn cael ei hystyried go iawn, a bod y strategaeth derfynol yn adlewyrchu'r cyflwyniadau a ddaw i law. Felly, rwy'n gobeithio y bydd y Gweinidog Cabinet yn rhoi'r sicrwydd hwnnw i ni heddiw yn ei ymateb i'r ddadl hon. Nawr, fel y mae ein gwelliant yn dweud yn glir iawn, mae'r Ceidwadwyr Cymreig eisiau gweld rhaglen sgrinio genedlaethol yn cael ei chyflwyno gan Lywodraeth Cymru. Rwy'n credu bod canfod yn gynharach yn gwella canlyniadau cleifion, ac fel y dywed Ymchwil Canser y Prostad, pan fydd canser y prostad yn cael ei ganfod yn gynnar, mae cyfraddau goroesi yn agos at 100 y cant. Ac nid pwynt gwleidyddol yw hwn. Rwyf wedi gweithio'n adeiladol gyda chydweithwyr mewn pleidiau eraill ac mewn sefydliadau gwleidyddol eraill i alw am raglen sgrinio genedlaethol. Er enghraifft, ymunais â'r arglwydd Llafur, yr Arglwydd Kevin Brennan, i godi ymwybyddiaeth o rai o symptomau canser y prostad. Fe wnaeth y ddau ohonom rannu ein gwahanol deithiau canser y prostad, ac fe wnaethom drafod pam ein bod yn credu y dylid cyflwyno rhaglen sgrinio genedlaethol. Ond p'un a ydych chi'n cytuno neu'n anghytuno â rhaglen sgrinio genedlaethol, mae'n amlwg fod cyd-ddealltwriaeth rhwng pleidiau gwleidyddol y gellir ac y dylid gwneud mwy ar ganser y prostad, felly rwy'n gobeithio y bydd yr ysbryd cydweithredol hwn yn parhau wrth ddatblygu'r strategaeth. Nawr, mae rhan allweddol o ymgynghoriad Llywodraeth Cymru ar strategaeth ganser genedlaethol yn ystyried y cyfleoedd a gyflwynir gan ddatblygiadau mewn technoleg feddygol. Rydym yn gweld datblygiadau sylweddol mewn offer diagnostig ac amrywiol driniaethau arloesol, llawer ohonynt yn trawsnewid canlyniadau i gleifion, gan gynnwys therapi ffocal, radiotherapi abladol stereotactig a llawer o driniaethau eraill. Gall fod potensial enfawr i'r datblygiadau technolegol hyn, nid yn unig i wella cyfraddau goroesi, ond hefyd i wella ansawdd bywyd i'r rhai sy'n byw gyda chanser y prostad. Rhaid i'r technolegau hyn fod ar gael i ddynion ym mhob rhan o Gymru, ble bynnag y maent yn byw, ac rwy'n gobeithio y bydd y strategaeth newydd yn dangos sut y gall cleifion gael mynediad at y triniaethau penodol hyn. Wrth gwrs, ochr yn ochr â buddsoddiad mewn technoleg, rhaid cael ymrwymiad i gefnogi'r gweithlu a sicrhau bod gweithwyr gofal iechyd proffesiynol yn cael y capasiti, yr hyfforddiant a'r adnoddau sydd eu hangen arnynt i ddarparu'r triniaethau hyn yn effeithiol. Lywydd, mae'r strategaeth ganser genedlaethol sydd ar y ffordd yn cynnig cyfle pwysig i wella canlyniadau canser ledled Cymru, ond er mwyn cyflawni'r nod hwnnw, rhaid cael proses ymgynghori ystyrlon, ymrwymiad i ddiagnosis a sgrinio cynharach, buddsoddiad mewn technolegau blaengar a phenderfyniad i ddarparu mynediad cyfartal at y gofal a'r driniaeth sydd eu hangen ar gleifion ble bynnag y maent yn byw yng Nghymru. Ein cyfrifoldeb i'r dynion sydd eisoes yn byw gyda chanser y prostad yng Nghymru ac i'r rhai a fydd yn cael diagnosis o ganser y prostad yw defnyddio'r cyfle hwn i gael y strategaeth hon yn iawn. Ac ar raglen sgrinio genedlaethol, gall Cymru arwain y ffordd os yw hi eisiau. Nid oes raid inni ddilyn Lloegr, nid oes raid inni ddilyn rhannau eraill o'r DU. Felly, rwy'n annog Llywodraeth Cymru i ymrwymo i archwilio hyn ymhellach o leiaf. Rydym i gyd eisiau sicrhau canlyniadau gwell i ddynion sydd wedi cael diagnosis o ganser y prostad ledled Cymru, ac felly byddwn yn cefnogi'r cynnig hwn y prynhawn yma, ac rwy'n annog yr Aelodau i gefnogi fy ngwelliant. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780734 319 En 2026-10-21T16:45:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=11702&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=11702&l=cy 261021-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Strategaeth canser y prostad 7. Reform UK Debate: Prostate cancer strategy C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780748 320 En 2026-10-21T16:49:10 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=11952&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=11952&l=cy 261021-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Strategaeth canser y prostad 7. Reform UK Debate: Prostate cancer strategy C 12151 12151 Matthew Jones AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12151 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12151 Jones, Matthew I'm grateful for the opportunity to speak on this really important issue today. There's real excitement across the cancer charity sector and the cancer workforce because a long-term cancer strategy is a chance to set a new course for patients in Wales. This is a critical moment for how we want to see cancer outcomes improve over the coming years, and I welcome every opportunity to discuss what the strategy should look like, because we will all know someone who is told that they have cancer in their lifetime, if not ourselves. Cancer will affect one in two people. The figures for prostate cancer are particularly shocking. Prostate cancer will affect one in eight men. For black men, it's one in four. And for men who have a family history of particular cancers or who carry the BRCA2 gene variant, they face a significantly higher risk. Reducing this inequality and the many other inequalities in cancer diagnosis and care must be a focus of the strategy. The Welsh Government has set itself an ambitious timetable, aiming to publish the strategy on World Cancer Day next year. That is commendable and shows the urgency that is needed. It will be Wales's first national cancer strategy since 2006. And as chair of the cross-party group on cancer, which everyone here is welcome to join—I've e-mailed some of you separately; you're all welcome—I'm not aware of any plans for the strategy, as it is at the moment, to focus on any site-specific cancers, which the debate tabled today calls for, but with such a tight deadline, the strategy must build on existing groundwork. There are already national optimal pathways shaped by clinical specialists and best practice that set out how people with suspected site-specific cancers, including prostate cancer, should be treated and supported, but too many people are not being served quickly and effectively by these pathways. There's often a backlog for diagnosis and waits for treatment often depend on surgical space and workforce availability. As a result, only one in three people with prostate cancer start treatment within 62 days, when the target is 75 per cent. The strategy must not be a 'one and done'. Too many quality statements and short-term plans have sat on the shelf after publication. This strategy must be a living thing. It must give every national optimal pathway, including for prostate cancer, the chance to work to its full potential and actively unblock the barriers holding them back. Alongside this, it must improve access to clinical trials, awareness of signs and symptoms and so much more, like data and workforce. All these things are vital. I'd like to acknowledge the amendment tabled by Paul Davies, and I share the urgency behind it. General screening for all men is still not recommended by the UK National Screening Committee based on the evidence currently available, but that evidence is moving. In May, the committee recommended targeted screening every two years for men aged 45 to 61 who carry the BRCA gene variant and have a family history of breast, ovarian, pancreatic or prostate cancer, and the UK Government has accepted that. So, I'd like to ask the Minister: when will this be in place in Wales and will the new strategy commit to it? I also stand with colleagues in calling for research to go further and faster and for more men to know of their family history. For men facing a prostate cancer diagnosis, support and time to make decisions about their care are essential, but time is not always a luxury patients have. The earlier a diagnosis is made, the more treatment options are available. I hope today's discussion can focus our minds on a near future where prostate cancer is diagnosed quickly and early, where innovative treatments are available and where patients can look forward to life after cancer or to live well for decades to come. Diolch yn fawr. Rwy'n ddiolchgar am y cyfle i siarad ar y mater pwysig hwn heddiw. Mae yna gyffro gwirioneddol ar draws y sector elusennau canser a'r gweithlu canser oherwydd mae strategaeth ganser hirdymor yn gyfle i osod cwrs newydd i gleifion yng Nghymru. Mae hon yn foment dyngedfennol ar gyfer sut rydym am weld canlyniadau canser yn gwella dros y blynyddoedd i ddod, ac rwy'n croesawu pob cyfle i drafod sut beth fydd y strategaeth, oherwydd byddwn i gyd yn adnabod rhywun y dywedir wrthynt fod ganddynt ganser yn ystod eu bywydau, os nad ni ein hunain. Bydd canser yn effeithio ar un o bob dau o bobl. Mae'r ffigurau ar gyfer canser y prostad yn arbennig o frawychus. Bydd canser y prostad yn effeithio ar un o bob wyth dyn. I ddynion duon, mae'n un o bob pedwar. Ac i ddynion sydd â hanes teuluol o ganserau penodol neu sy'n cario'r amrywiolyn genynnol BRCA2, maent yn wynebu risg sylweddol uwch. Rhaid i leihau'r anghydraddoldeb hwn a'r anghydraddoldebau eraill mewn diagnosis a gofal canser fod yn ffocws i'r strategaeth. Mae Llywodraeth Cymru wedi gosod amserlen uchelgeisiol iddi ei hun, gyda'r nod o gyhoeddi'r strategaeth ar Ddiwrnod Canser y Byd y flwyddyn nesaf. Mae hynny'n ganmoladwy ac yn dangos y brys sydd ei angen. Dyma fydd strategaeth ganser genedlaethol gyntaf Cymru ers 2006. Ac fel cadeirydd y grŵp trawsbleidiol ar ganser, y croesewir pawb yma ymuno ag ef—rwyf wedi e-bostio rhai ohonoch yn unigol; mae croeso i chi i gyd—nid wyf yn ymwybodol o unrhyw gynlluniau i'r strategaeth fel y mae ar hyn o bryd ganolbwyntio ar unrhyw ganserau lleoliad penodol, fel y mae'r ddadl a gyflwynwyd heddiw yn galw am ei wneud, ond gydag amserlen mor dynn, rhaid i'r strategaeth adeiladu ar y sylfaen bresennol. Mae yna lwybrau optimaidd cenedlaethol eisoes wedi'u siapio gan arbenigwyr clinigol ac arfer gorau sy'n nodi sut y dylid trin a chefnogi pobl lle'r amheuir bod ganddynt ganserau lleoliad penodol, gan gynnwys canser y prostad, ond mae'r llwybrau hyn yn methu gwasanaethu gormod o bobl yn gyflym ac yn effeithiol. Yn aml, mae ôl-groniad ar gyfer diagnosis ac amseroedd aros am driniaeth yn dibynnu ar ofod llawfeddygol ac argaeledd gweithlu. O ganlyniad, dim ond un o bob tri o bobl â chanser y prostad sy'n dechrau triniaeth o fewn 62 diwrnod, pan fo'r targed yn 75 y cant. Rhaid i'r strategaeth beidio â bod yn rhywbeth a gaiff ei wneud unwaith a dyna ni. Mae gormod o ddatganiadau ansawdd a chynlluniau tymor byr wedi gorwedd ar y silff ar ôl eu cyhoeddi. Rhaid i'r strategaeth hon fod yn beth byw. Rhaid iddi roi cyfle i bob llwybr optimaidd cenedlaethol, gan gynnwys canser y prostad, weithio i'w allu llawn a datgloi'r rhwystrau sy'n eu dal yn ôl. Ochr yn ochr â hyn, rhaid iddo wella mynediad at dreialon clinigol, ymwybyddiaeth o arwyddion a symptomau a chymaint mwy, fel data a gweithlu. Mae'r holl bethau hyn yn allweddol. Hoffwn gydnabod y gwelliant a gyflwynwyd gan Paul Davies, ac rwy'n rhannu'r brys sy'n sail iddo. Nid yw Pwyllgor Sgrinio Cenedlaethol y DU yn argymell sgrinio cyffredinol ar gyfer pob dyn yn seiliedig ar y dystiolaeth sydd ar gael ar hyn o bryd, ond mae'r dystiolaeth honno'n newid. Ym mis Mai, argymhellodd y pwyllgor sgrinio wedi'i dargedu bob dwy flynedd ar gyfer dynion rhwng 45 a 61 oed sy'n cario'r amrywiolyn genynnol BRCA ac sydd â hanes teuluol o ganser y fron, yr ofari, y pancreas neu'r prostad, ac mae Llywodraeth y DU wedi derbyn hynny. Felly, hoffwn ofyn i'r Gweinidog: pryd fydd hyn ar waith yng Nghymru ac a fydd y strategaeth newydd yn ymrwymo i'w gyflawni? Rwyf hefyd yn sefyll gyda chyd-Aelodau i alw am ymchwil i fynd ymhellach ac yn gyflymach ac i fwy o ddynion wybod am hanes eu teulu. I ddynion sy'n wynebu diagnosis o ganser y prostad, mae cefnogaeth ac amser i wneud penderfyniadau am eu gofal yn hanfodol, ond nid yw amser bob amser yn foethusrwydd sydd gan gleifion. Po gynharaf y gwneir diagnosis, y mwyaf o opsiynau triniaeth sydd ar gael. Rwy'n gobeithio y gall y drafodaeth heddiw ffocysu ein meddyliau ar ddyfodol agos pan wneir diagnosis o ganser y prostad yn gyflym ac yn gynnar, pan fo triniaethau arloesol ar gael a phan all cleifion edrych ymlaen at fywyd ar ôl canser neu at fyw'n dda am ddegawdau i ddod. Diolch yn fawr. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780739 321 En 2026-10-21T16:50:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=12002&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=12002&l=cy 261021-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Strategaeth canser y prostad 7. Reform UK Debate: Prostate cancer strategy C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780753 322 En 2026-10-21T16:53:54 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=12236&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=12236&l=cy 261021-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Strategaeth canser y prostad 7. Reform UK Debate: Prostate cancer strategy C 267 267 Ken Skates AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=267 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=267 Leader of Welsh Labour Arweinydd Llafur Cymru Skates, Ken Can I thank the Member for bringing forward this important debate today and also thank Paul Davies for sharing his experience and his insight into such an important subject matter? And as we've heard during this debate already, prostate cancer is the most common cancer amongst men in Wales and far too many families across the country have lost loved ones because a cancer diagnosis came too late. So, Welsh Labour strongly supports this motion and we join calls to include prostate cancer in the national cancer strategy for Wales. We wish to see a strategy that delivers better outcomes, improves support for cancer patients and builds on the progress made under the previous Welsh Labour Government. In Government, Welsh Labour ensured that record numbers of people got the good news every year that they don't have cancer. We invested tens of millions of pounds in new cancer facilities, diagnostic equipment, treatments, technology and workforce development, and we started construction on the new Velindre Cancer Centre, which is opening next spring. We introduced a £2 million cancer recovery programme to improve how services are delivered, including a specific focus on urological cancers, and we took significant steps to improve cancer screening and early diagnosis. We expanded bowel cancer screening to everyone aged 50 to 74, and increased the sensitivity of the screening test. We also made Wales the first UK nation to introduce human papillomavirus testing as the primary cervical screening test. Furthermore, we announced a new national targeted lung cancer screening programme, and on all of those decisions, Welsh Labour were driven in our determination to deliver better health outcomes for families in Wales.  A gaf i ddiolch i'r Aelod am gyflwyno'r ddadl bwysig hon heddiw a diolch hefyd i Paul Davies am rannu ei brofiad a'i fewnwelediad i bwnc mor bwysig? Ac fel y clywsom yn ystod y ddadl eisoes, canser y prostad yw'r canser mwyaf cyffredin ymhlith dynion yng Nghymru ac mae llawer gormod o deuluoedd ledled y wlad wedi colli anwyliaid oherwydd bod diagnosis o ganser wedi dod yn rhy hwyr. Felly, mae Llafur Cymru yn cefnogi'r cynnig hwn yn gryf ac rydym yn ymuno â galwadau i gynnwys canser y prostad yn strategaeth ganser genedlaethol Cymru. Rydym yn dymuno gweld strategaeth sy'n cyflawni canlyniadau gwell, yn gwella cefnogaeth i gleifion canser ac yn adeiladu ar y cynnydd a wnaed o dan Lywodraeth Lafur flaenorol Cymru. Yn y Llywodraeth, sicrhaodd Llafur Cymru fod y nifer uchaf erioed o bobl yn cael y newyddion da bob blwyddyn nad oes ganddynt ganser. Fe wnaethom fuddsoddi degau o filiynau o bunnoedd mewn cyfleusterau canser newydd, offer diagnostig, triniaethau, technoleg a datblygu'r gweithlu, ac fe wnaethom ddechrau adeiladu Canolfan Ganser Felindre newydd, sy'n agor y gwanwyn nesaf. Fe wnaethom gyflwyno rhaglen adfer gwasanaethau canser gwerth £2 filiwn i wella'r ffordd y caiff gwasanaethau eu darparu, gan gynnwys ffocws penodol ar ganserau wrolegol, ac fe roesom gamau sylweddol ar waith i wella sgrinio canser a diagnosis cynnar. Fe wnaethom ehangu sgrinio canser y coluddyn i gynnwys pawb rhwng 50 a 74 oed, a chynyddu sensitifrwydd y prawf sgrinio. Hefyd, fe wnaethom Gymru yn genedl gyntaf y DU i gyflwyno profion firws papiloma dynol fel y prif brawf sgrinio ceg y groth. Ar ben hynny, fe wnaethom gyhoeddi rhaglen genedlaethol newydd ar gyfer sgrinio canser yr ysgyfaint, ac ar yr holl benderfyniadau hynny, cafodd Llafur Cymru ei sbarduno gan ein penderfyniad i sicrhau canlyniadau iechyd gwell i deuluoedd yng Nghymru. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780742 323 En 2026-10-21T16:55:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=12302&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=12302&l=cy 261021-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Strategaeth canser y prostad 7. Reform UK Debate: Prostate cancer strategy C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780783 324 En 2026-10-21T16:55:44 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=12346&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=12346&l=cy 261021-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Strategaeth canser y prostad 7. Reform UK Debate: Prostate cancer strategy C 8585 8585 James Evans AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8585 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8585 Evans, James Would the Member take an intervention?  A wnaiff yr Aelod dderbyn ymyriad? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780784 325 En 2026-10-21T16:55:45 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=12347&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=12347&l=cy 261021-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Strategaeth canser y prostad 7. Reform UK Debate: Prostate cancer strategy C 267 267 Ken Skates AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=267 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=267 Skates, Ken Yes, of course.  Gwnaf, wrth gwrs. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780749 326 En 2026-10-21T16:55:47 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=12349&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=12349&l=cy 261021-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Strategaeth canser y prostad 7. Reform UK Debate: Prostate cancer strategy C 8585 8585 James Evans AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8585 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8585 Evans, James Thanks for taking the intervention. On top of those things that you've just listed, though, I think you have to recognise that, even through my time in the Senedd, when we were looking at waiting lists, actually cancer waiting lists targets were missed almost every time they were coming out from the centre of Welsh Government. So, do you admit that, actually, that's one thing in Government that you actually got wrong, that you never actually got on top of cancer waiting lists in Wales? Diolch am dderbyn yr ymyriad. Ar ben y pethau rydych chi newydd eu rhestru fodd bynnag, rwy'n credu bod yn rhaid i chi gydnabod, hyd yn oed drwy gydol fy amser i yn y Senedd, pan oeddem yn edrych ar restrau aros, fod targedau rhestrau aros canser yn cael eu methu bron bob tro y byddent yn dod o'r canol gan Lywodraeth Cymru. Felly, a ydych chi'n cyfaddef bod hynny mewn gwirionedd yn un peth y gwnaethoch chi ei gael yn anghywir fel Llywodraeth mewn gwirionedd, na wnaethoch chi erioed lwyddo i gael rheolaeth ar restrau aros canser yng Nghymru? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780757 327 En 2026-10-21T16:56:09 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=12371&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=12371&l=cy 261021-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Strategaeth canser y prostad 7. Reform UK Debate: Prostate cancer strategy C 267 267 Ken Skates AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=267 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=267 Skates, Ken We were certainly right to set very, very stretching targets for cancer. Obviously, we didn't meet them on all occasions, but I do not apologise for the stretching targets that we set. And of all of those decisions, as I say, Welsh Labour were driven at all times by the determination to deliver better health outcomes for the people that we served. Now, that's particularly relevant today. Decisions about screening programmes must always be based on the best available evidence. In this case, we know that the independent UK National Screening Committee does not recommend population-wide screening for prostate cancer. It advises that population-wide screening can cause more harm than good, because of the risks that include false positives and also the risk of providing false reassurances. Instead, they recommend targeted screening for prostate cancer, and, of course, the UK Labour Government has followed that advice. The UK Labour Government has committed more than £20 million to improve prostate cancer research and treatment, including supporting the Transform trial, which aims to deliver better ways of detecting the disease. That research is particularly important for understanding how screening can better support black men who face a higher risk of developing prostate cancer. So, will the Minister now confirm that he too will follow the science and the Plaid Cymru Government will commit to introducing an evidence-based targeted prostate cancer screening programme in Wales, similar to that which the UK Labour Government has announced for England? If the Minister is unable to make that commitment today, he should set out his reasons in detail and explain why the Welsh Government is taking a decision that is not led by the evidence. I'd also urge the Minister to ensure that the national cancer strategy is focused squarely on outcomes and real-life improvements for patients, and that it builds on the measures delivered by the Welsh Labour Government. Because what matters is early diagnosis, faster treatment and better chances of survival for cancer patients. The Minister already has our support for the motion today. If he can make those further commitments on the national cancer strategy, and a targeted prostate cancer screening programme, he will have the full backing of Labour Members as he delivers those plans. Roeddem yn sicr yn gywir i osod targedau ymestynnol iawn ar gyfer canser. Yn amlwg, ni wnaethom eu cyrraedd bob amser, ond nid wyf yn ymddiheuro am y targedau ymestynnol a osodwyd gennym. Ac o'r holl benderfyniadau hynny, fel y dywedais, câi Llafur Cymru eu sbarduno bob amser gan y penderfyniad i sicrhau gwell canlyniadau iechyd i'r bobl yr oeddem yn eu gwasanaethu. Nawr, mae hynny'n arbennig o berthnasol heddiw. Rhaid i benderfyniadau am raglenni sgrinio fod yn seiliedig bob amser ar y dystiolaeth orau sydd ar gael. Yn yr achos hwn, fe wyddom nad yw Pwyllgor Sgrinio Cenedlaethol annibynnol y DU yn argymell sgrinio ar draws y boblogaeth ar gyfer canser y prostad. Mae'n cynghori y gall sgrinio poblogaeth gyfan achosi mwy o niwed nag o les, oherwydd y risgiau sy'n cynnwys canlyniadau positif ffug a hefyd y risg o ddarparu sicrwydd ffug. Yn hytrach, maent yn argymell sgrinio wedi'i dargedu ar gyfer canser y prostad, ac wrth gwrs, mae Llywodraeth Lafur y DU wedi dilyn y cyngor hwnnw. Mae Llywodraeth Lafur y DU wedi ymrwymo mwy na £20 miliwn i wella ymchwil a thriniaeth canser y prostad, gan gynnwys cefnogi'r treial Transform, sy'n anelu at ddarparu ffyrdd gwell o ganfod y clefyd. Mae'r ymchwil honno'n arbennig o bwysig i ddeall sut y gall sgrinio gefnogi dynion du sy'n wynebu risg uwch o ddatblygu canser y prostad. Felly, a wnaiff y Gweinidog gadarnhau nawr y bydd ef hefyd yn dilyn y wyddoniaeth ac y bydd Llywodraeth Plaid Cymru yn ymrwymo i gyflwyno rhaglen sgrinio wedi'i thargedu ar gyfer canser y prostad ar sail tystiolaeth yng Nghymru, yn debyg i'r hyn y mae Llywodraeth Lafur y DU wedi'i chyhoeddi ar gyfer Lloegr? Os nad yw'r Gweinidog yn gallu gwneud yr ymrwymiad hwnnw heddiw, dylai nodi ei resymau'n fanwl ac esbonio pam y mae Llywodraeth Cymru'n gwneud penderfyniad na chaiff ei arwain gan y dystiolaeth. Hoffwn annog y Gweinidog hefyd i sicrhau bod y strategaeth ganser genedlaethol yn canolbwyntio'n llwyr ar ganlyniadau a gwelliannau bywyd go iawn i gleifion, a'i bod yn adeiladu ar y mesurau a gyflwynwyd gan Lywodraeth Lafur Cymru. Oherwydd yr hyn sy'n bwysig yw diagnosis cynnar, triniaeth gyflymach a gwell gobaith o oroesi i gleifion canser. Mae gan y Gweinidog ein cefnogaeth i'r cynnig heddiw eisoes. Os gall wneud yr ymrwymiadau pellach hynny ar y strategaeth ganser genedlaethol, a rhaglen sgrinio canser y prostad wedi'i thargedu, fe gaiff gefnogaeth lawn yr Aelodau Llafur wrth iddo gyflawni'r cynlluniau hynny. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780762 328 En 2026-10-21T16:58:37 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=12519&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=12519&l=cy 261021-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Strategaeth canser y prostad 7. Reform UK Debate: Prostate cancer strategy C 12181 12181 Adrian Mason AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12181 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12181 Mason, Adrian I'm going to address the men of Wales, and first of all, thank you, Llŷr Powell, for tabling this debate. This is one of those debates where we should be able to put politics to one side. Prostate cancer doesn't care who you vote for, where you live or what you do for a living. When somebody is told they've got cancer, they're not thinking about politics, they're thinking about their family, what happens next and whether they're going to be all right. This issue is personal to me. My grandfather died from kidney failure caused by prostate cancer, and several other men on my mother's side of the family have been affected by it. That's why it matters to me. I'm thinking about my grandfather and about the families across Wales facing those same worries today. I'm also thinking about the men who may have put off speaking to their GP. I'm 61 now, and because of my family background, I've had the prostate-specific antigen test, and, thankfully, the result was reassuring. But many men don't take that step. Some don't want to make a fuss. Some are worried about what they might be told. Others simply think if they feel fine, there cannot be anything wrong. The reality is that prostate cancer does not always give you a warning. That's why awareness matters and why men need to understand their own risk. But awareness on its own isn't enough. When someone does come forward, the NHS has to be there for them. If they need tests, scans or treatment, they shouldn't be left waiting and worrying about what happens next. For those of us in rural Wales, there can be additional challenges. A hospital appointment can mean a long journey, time away from work and an entire day spent travelling. If you're already anxious about your health, that only adds to the burden. The latest national prostate cancer audit also raises concerns about variation in treatment in Wales. The figures come with important warnings about data quality, but that itself raises a question: how can we be confident that patients are receiving the right treatment if we cannot reliably measure what is happening? I also want to say a brief word about the Conservative amendment. I understand the case being made, because I'd like to see more men diagnosed earlier too, particularly given my own family's experience. There is important work taking place around targeted screening for men at particularly high risk, and I believe Wales should continue to follow the evidence and medical advice as that develops. But today's motion is straightforward. We're asking the Welsh Government to ensure that prostate cancer has a clear place within Wales's national cancer strategy. And inclusion in a strategy must mean more than just a mention in a document. It needs clear commitment on earlier diagnosis, timely treatment and fair access across Wales, with progress that patients and families can actually see—not because prostate cancer is more important than any other cancer, but because it affects so many men and families, and deserves sustained attention. I'd like to thank organisations such as Prostate Cymru, Prostate Cancer UK, Lingen Davies Cancer Support in my own constituency, and Movember, along with the NHS staff and all the other organisations and individuals who work tirelessly to support patients and their families. Llywydd, I can't change what happened to my grandfather, but I'd like to think we can improve things for the men and families who come after us, because behind every diagnosis is a husband, father, grandfather, brother or friend. And what matters to those families isn't which party brought this debate forward; what matters is what we do next and whether we make the difference. Diolch. Rwy'n mynd i annerch dynion Cymru, ac yn gyntaf oll, diolch, Llŷr Powell, am gyflwyno'r ddadl hon. Dyma un o'r dadleuon lle dylem allu rhoi gwleidyddiaeth i'r naill ochr. Nid yw canser y prostad yn poeni i bwy rydych chi'n pleidleisio, ble rydych chi'n byw neu beth yw eich gwaith. Pan ddywedir wrth rywun fod ganddynt ganser, nid ydynt yn meddwl am wleidyddiaeth, maent yn meddwl am eu teulu, beth sy'n digwydd nesaf ac a ydynt yn mynd i fod yn iawn. Mae'r mater hwn yn bersonol i mi. Bu farw fy nhaid o fethiant yr arennau a achoswyd gan ganser y prostad, ac mae sawl dyn arall ar ochr fy mam o'r teulu wedi cael eu heffeithio ganddo. Dyna pam y mae'n bwysig i mi. Rwy'n meddwl am fy nhaid ac am y teuluoedd ledled Cymru sy'n wynebu'r un pryderon heddiw. Rwyf hefyd yn meddwl am y dynion a allai fod wedi gohirio siarad â'u meddyg teulu. Rwy'n 61 nawr, ac oherwydd fy nghefndir teuluol, rwyf wedi cael y prawf antigen prostad-benodol, a diolch byth, roedd y canlyniad yn tawelu'r meddwl. Ond mae yna lawer o ddynion nad ydynt yn cymryd y cam hwnnw. Mae rhai'n gyndyn i wneud ffws. Mae rhai'n poeni am yr hyn y gallent ei glywed. Mae eraill yn meddwl os ydynt yn teimlo'n iawn, na all fod unrhyw beth o'i le. Y gwir amdani yw nad yw canser y prostad bob amser yn rhoi rhybudd i chi. Dyna pam y mae ymwybyddiaeth yn bwysig a pham y mae angen i ddynion ddeall eu risg eu hunain. Ond nid yw ymwybyddiaeth ar ei ben ei hun yn ddigon. Pan fydd rhywun yn mynd i weld meddyg, rhaid i'r GIG fod yno iddynt. Os oes angen profion, sganiau neu driniaeth arnynt, ni ddylid eu gadael i aros yn poeni am yr hyn sy'n digwydd nesaf. I'r rhai ohonom yng nghefn gwlad Cymru, gall fod heriau ychwanegol. Gall apwyntiad ysbyty olygu taith hir, amser o'r gwaith a threulio diwrnod cyfan yn teithio. Os ydych chi eisoes yn bryderus am eich iechyd, mae hynny'n ychwanegu at y baich. Mae'r archwiliad cenedlaethol canser y prostad diweddaraf hefyd yn codi pryderon am amrywiad rhwng triniaethau yng Nghymru. Mae'r ffigurau'n cynnig rhybuddion pwysig am ansawdd data, ond mae hynny ei hun yn codi cwestiwn: sut y gallwn ni fod yn hyderus fod cleifion yn cael y driniaeth gywir os na allwn fesur yn ddibynadwy beth sy'n digwydd? Rwyf eisiau dweud gair byr am welliant y Ceidwadwyr hefyd. Rwy'n deall yr achos sy'n cael ei wneud, oherwydd hoffwn innau weld mwy o ddynion yn cael diagnosis yn gynharach hefyd, yn enwedig o ystyried profiad fy nheulu fy hun. Mae gwaith pwysig yn digwydd ar sgrinio wedi'i dargedu ar gyfer dynion sydd â risg arbennig o uchel, ac rwy'n credu y dylai Cymru barhau i ddilyn y dystiolaeth a'r cyngor meddygol wrth i hynny ddatblygu. Ond mae'r cynnig heddiw yn syml. Rydym yn gofyn i Lywodraeth Cymru sicrhau bod lle clir i ganser y prostad yn strategaeth ganser genedlaethol Cymru. Ac mae'n rhaid i'w gynnwys mewn strategaeth olygu mwy na dim ond cyfeiriad mewn dogfen. Mae angen ymrwymiad clir ar ddiagnosis cynharach, triniaeth amserol a mynediad teg ledled Cymru, gyda chynnydd y gall cleifion a theuluoedd ei weld—nid am fod canser y prostad yn bwysicach nag unrhyw ganser arall, ond am ei fod yn effeithio ar gymaint o ddynion a theuluoedd, ac mae'n haeddu sylw parhaus. Hoffwn ddiolch i sefydliadau fel Prostate Cymru, Prostate Cancer UK, Cymorth Canser Lingen Davies yn fy etholaeth i, a Tashwedd, ynghyd â staff y GIG a'r holl sefydliadau ac unigolion eraill sy'n gweithio'n ddiflino i gefnogi cleifion a'u teuluoedd. Lywydd, ni allaf newid yr hyn a ddigwyddodd i fy nhaid, ond hoffwn feddwl y gallwn wella pethau i'r dynion a'r teuluoedd a ddaw ar ein holau, oherwydd y tu ôl i bob diagnosis mae gŵr, tad, taid, brawd neu ffrind. A'r hyn sy'n bwysig i'r teuluoedd hynny yw nid pa blaid a gyflwynodd y ddadl hon; yr hyn sy'n bwysig yw beth a wnawn nesaf ac a ydym yn gwneud gwahaniaeth. Diolch. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780754 329 En 2026-10-21T17:00:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=12602&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=12602&l=cy 261021-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Strategaeth canser y prostad 7. Reform UK Debate: Prostate cancer strategy C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780763 330 En 2026-10-21T17:02:37 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=12759&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=12759&l=cy 261021-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Strategaeth canser y prostad 7. Reform UK Debate: Prostate cancer strategy C 212 212 Janet Finch-Saunders AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=212 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=212 Finch-Saunders, Janet I will declare an interest in this debate, because this particular cancer has come knocking at my own door for a loved one of my family. I would first of all like to thank my colleague, though, Paul Davies MS, for all the brilliant work that he's already done to raise awareness of prostate cancer. By sharing your own experiences, Paul, which was very brave, you've already actively played a part in encouraging more men to come forward for screening. More than 2,500 men are diagnosed with prostate cancer in Wales every year. Around 640 men in Wales die from that disease annually. And the reason I'm speaking up is because what has happened to me and my family, it can happen to anybody. We shouldn't just stand by and read out numbers any more of how many people have died annually. In my particular case, two years of monitoring—diagnosed two years ago, two years of monitoring—and the condition was going worse and worse during monitoring, to such a degree now that more extensive surgery is required than would have been had this been picked up sooner. Almost 40 per cent of prostate cancer cases are diagnosed at stages 3 or 4. That is not good enough. When the disease is more advanced, the treatment becomes more challenging. These figures should concern everybody sitting here, including you, Cabinet Minister for Health and Care. Behind every statistic is a man facing the devastating consequences of cancer, prostate cancer being the most common cancer to affect men. Yet it remains one of the cancers where diagnosis too often comes too late. That is why, as has been said many times here today, and I endorse, early detection must be a priority. The Welsh Conservatives firmly believe that a national prostate cancer screening programme could help to identify the disease earlier, improve survival rates, reduce inequality and raise awareness across Wales. We recognise that screening must be evidence-based and carefully designed. Concerns have rightly been raised about false positive results, unnecessary treatments and the pressure a screening programme could place on NHS capacity. I also understand that there's been a pushback, certainly from our health board, but also the Government, that too much testing can actually identify problems that could lead to more problems. I'm never convinced by that. A raised PSA result does not automatically mean a man has prostate cancer, but an ever-increasing PSA result is very worrying indeed for the family. Screening can identify some slow-growing cancers that may never cause serious harm. But these challenges should drive us here, as Senedd Members, to develop a far better approach. Advances in diagnostic technology, including MRI and improved testing pathways, offer opportunities to make diagnosis more accurate, and for better treatment decisions when better informed. We should ensure Wales keeps pace with these developments and adopt proven innovation and evidence as it emerges. We should also recognise that a consistent national approach will tackle those very inequalities that have been described today: black men, men with a family history of prostate cancer and men with certain inherited genetic variations. It is fair to say that a very close member of my family has already died with prostate cancer, so why those warnings were not heeded earlier—who knows? We acknowledge the recommendations of the UK National Screening Committee, including targeted screening for certain men with a confirmed BRCA2 variant and a relevant family history. The Welsh Government must carefully consider these recommendations. However, we also believe Wales should be ambitious. We should work with clinicians, researchers, charities, and patients and their families, to establish the strongest possible screening approach, informed by evidence and designed for the needs of our Welsh men. We must also ensure that earlier diagnosis is matched by timely access to high-quality treatment, sufficient NHS staffing and the resources needed to meet demand. I will say this here today: patients from north Wales, patients within the Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board, should not be going to London for operations. Devolution was always supposed to be about providing those kinds of treatments here in Wales, and I was really shocked to learn that the robotic equipment that was purchased in the Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board was not the right equipment—that is why we're sending people from north Wales to London. And it has to stop now. Diolch. Fe wnaf ddatgan buddiant yn y ddadl hon, oherwydd mae'r canser hwn wedi dod i guro ar fy nrws i yn achos rhywun annwyl yn fy nheulu. Yn gyntaf, hoffwn ddiolch i'm cyd-Aelod, Paul Davies AS, am yr holl waith gwych y mae eisoes wedi'i wneud i godi ymwybyddiaeth o ganser y prostad. Drwy rannu eich profiadau eich hun, Paul, a oedd yn ddewr iawn, rydych chi eisoes wedi chwarae rhan weithredol yn annog mwy o ddynion i fynd i gael eu sgrinio. Mae mwy na 2,500 o ddynion yn cael diagnosis o ganser y prostad yng Nghymru bob blwyddyn. Mae tua 640 o ddynion yng Nghymru yn marw o'r clefyd hwnnw bob blwyddyn. A'r rheswm rwy'n siarad yw oherwydd y gall yr hyn sydd wedi digwydd i mi a fy nheulu ddigwydd i unrhyw un. Dylem wneud mwy na chicio sodlau a darllen y ffigurau ynglŷn â faint o bobl sydd wedi marw bob blwyddyn. Yn fy achos i, dwy flynedd o fonitro—diagnosis ddwy flynedd yn ôl, dwy flynedd o fonitro—ac roedd y cyflwr yn mynd yn waeth ac yn waeth yn ystod y monitro, i'r fath raddau nawr nes bod angen llawdriniaeth fwy helaeth nag a fyddai wedi bod pe bai hyn wedi'i godi'n gynt. Mae bron i 40 y cant o achosion o ganser y prostad yn cael diagnosis yng nghamau 3 neu 4. Nid yw hynny'n ddigon da. Pan fydd y clefyd yn fwy datblygedig, mae'r driniaeth yn dod yn fwy heriol. Dylai'r ffigurau hyn fod yn destun pryder i bawb sy'n eistedd yma, gan eich cynnwys chi, Weinidog Iechyd a Gofal. Y tu ôl i bob ystadegyn mae dyn sy'n wynebu canlyniadau dinistriol canser, a chanser y prostad yw'r canser mwyaf cyffredin i effeithio ar ddynion. Eto mae'n parhau i fod yn un o'r canserau lle mae diagnosis yn rhy aml yn dod yn rhy hwyr. Dyna pam y mae'n rhaid i ganfod yn gynnar fod yn flaenoriaeth, fel y dywedwyd sawl gwaith yma heddiw, ac rwy'n cymeradwyo hynny. Mae'r Ceidwadwyr Cymreig yn credu'n gryf y gallai rhaglen sgrinio genedlaethol ar gyfer canser y prostad helpu i ganfod y clefyd yn gynharach, gwella cyfraddau goroesi, lleihau anghydraddoldeb a chodi ymwybyddiaeth ledled Cymru. Rydym yn cydnabod bod yn rhaid i sgrinio fod yn seiliedig ar dystiolaeth ac wedi'i gynllunio'n ofalus. Codwyd pryderon, yn briodol ddigon, am ganlyniadau positif ffug, triniaethau diangen a'r pwysau y gallai rhaglen sgrinio ei roi ar gapasiti'r GIG. Rwy'n deall hefyd fod yna wthio'n ôl, yn sicr gan ein bwrdd iechyd, ond hefyd gan y Llywodraeth, fod gormod o brofion yn gallu nodi problemau a allai arwain at fwy o broblemau. Nid wyf erioed wedi fy argyhoeddi gan hynny. Nid yw canlyniad PSA uchel yn golygu'n awtomatig fod gan ddyn ganser y prostad, ond mae canlyniad PSA sy'n cynyddu o hyd yn destun pryder mawr i'r teulu. Gall sgrinio ganfod rhai canserau sy'n tyfu'n araf na fyddant byth o bosibl yn achosi niwed difrifol. Ond dylai'r heriau hyn ein hysgogi ni yma, fel Aelodau'r Senedd, i ddatblygu dull llawer gwell o weithredu. Mae datblygiadau mewn technoleg ddiagnostig, gan gynnwys MRI a llwybrau profi gwell, yn cynnig cyfleoedd i wneud diagnosis yn fwy cywir, ac i wneud penderfyniadau triniaeth gwell pan fydd gennym fwy o wybodaeth. Dylem sicrhau bod Cymru'n cadw i fyny â'r datblygiadau hyn ac yn mabwysiadu arloesedd a thystiolaeth brofedig wrth iddi ddod i'r amlwg. Dylem hefyd gydnabod y bydd dull cenedlaethol cyson yn mynd i'r afael â'r union anghydraddoldebau a ddisgrifiwyd heddiw: dynion duon, dynion â hanes teuluol o ganser y prostad a dynion â rhai amrywiadau genetig etifeddol. Mae'n deg dweud bod aelod agos iawn o fy nheulu eisoes wedi marw gyda chanser y prostad, felly pam na chafodd y rhybuddion hynny eu hystyried yn gynharach—pwy a ŵyr? Rydym yn cydnabod argymhellion Pwyllgor Sgrinio Cenedlaethol y DU, gan gynnwys sgrinio wedi'i dargedu ar gyfer rhai dynion sydd ag amrywiolyn BRCA2 wedi'i gadarnhau a hanes teuluol perthnasol. Rhaid i Lywodraeth Cymru ystyried yr argymhellion hyn yn ofalus. Fodd bynnag, credwn hefyd y dylai Cymru fod yn uchelgeisiol. Dylem weithio gyda chlinigwyr, ymchwilwyr, elusennau, a chleifion a'u teuluoedd, i sefydlu'r dull sgrinio cryfaf posibl, wedi'i lywio gan dystiolaeth ac wedi'i gynllunio ar gyfer anghenion ein dynion yng Nghymru. Rhaid inni hefyd sicrhau bod mynediad amserol at driniaeth o ansawdd uchel ar gael law yn llaw â diagnosis cynharach, ynghyd â staff GIG digonol a'r adnoddau sydd eu hangen i ateb y galw. Fe ddywedaf hyn yma heddiw: ni ddylai cleifion o ogledd Cymru, cleifion ym Mwrdd Iechyd Prifysgol Betsi Cadwaladr, fod yn mynd i Lundain ar gyfer llawdriniaethau. Roedd datganoli bob amser i fod i olygu darparu'r mathau hynny o driniaethau yma yng Nghymru, ac roedd yn syndod mawr clywed nad yr offer robotig a brynwyd ym Mwrdd Iechyd Prifysgol Betsi Cadwaladr oedd yr offer cywir—dyna pam ein bod ni'n anfon pobl o ogledd Cymru i Lundain. A rhaid i hynny ddod i ben nawr. Diolch. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780755 331 En 2026-10-21T17:05:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=12902&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=12902&l=cy 261021-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Strategaeth canser y prostad 7. Reform UK Debate: Prostate cancer strategy C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780767 332 En 2026-10-21T17:08:04 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=13086&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=13086&l=cy 261021-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Strategaeth canser y prostad 7. Reform UK Debate: Prostate cancer strategy C 12148 12148 Gareth Thomas AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12148 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12148 Thomas, Gaz Every Member here will have met a constituent who has lived with prostate cancer or a family who has lost someone to it. A man who put off seeing the GP because he felt fine. A wife who noticed something was wrong before he did. A son who now gets himself checked because his father was diagnosed too late. These are not abstract cases. They are our neighbours, our friends and, for some of us, our own families. Prostate cancer does not affect all communities equally. In our most deprived communities, most men, or more men, are now diagnosed at a later stage than at an earlier one, while men in more affluent areas are more often caught early. In practice, that means that a man's postcode can decide whether his cancer is found while it can still be treated. According to the 'National Prostate Cancer Audit State of the Nation Report 2026', diagnoses in Wales rose by 12 per cent between 2023 and 2024 to around 2,500 men. That is 2,500 men in a single year who heard the words, 'You have cancer', and 2,500 families whose lives changed in that moment. The same audit found that only 54 per cent of men in Wales with high-risk or locally advanced disease received radical treatment, compared with 69 per cent in England. Those are the men whose cancer is the most dangerous, and too many of them do not appear to have received the treatment that could have saved their lives. At the same time, 11 per cent of men in Wales with low-risk disease received radical treatment that may not have been needed, compared with 7 per cent in England, with all the lasting consequences that that can bring. The audit urges caution about the Welsh figures because of problems with data quality. Think about what that means. We cannot even say with confidence how many men with prostate cancer are being treated in Wales. That should trouble every one of us, and should be put right. We also know how hard it is for many men to come forward. Too many have grown up believing that talking about their health is a weakness, and prostate cancer often gives no warning in its early stages. Members of the Senedd have spoken with real courage about their personal experiences, and I pay tribute to them, Paul. Our party leader in Scotland has done the same. But we cannot ask men to be brave enough to come forward and then fail to have a clear plan waiting for them when they do. Men account for 54 per cent of cancer deaths in Wales. That is why Reform Wales has called for a 10-year cancer strategy, investment in modern diagnostics, targeted screening where need is greatest, and a men's health framework for Wales. So, I call on the Government to name prostate cancer in the strategy, with clear and measurable objectives included, to fix the data, so that we know what is happening to men diagnosed with prostate cancer, and to close the gap between our richest and poorest communities, so that no man is diagnosed too late because of where he lives. I urge all Members to support this motion. Diolch. Bydd pob Aelod yma wedi cyfarfod ag etholwr sydd wedi byw gyda chanser y prostad neu deulu sydd wedi colli rhywun iddo. Dyn a ohiriodd weld y meddyg teulu oherwydd ei fod yn teimlo'n iawn. Gwraig a sylwodd fod rhywbeth o'i le cyn iddo ef wneud hynny. Mab sydd bellach yn mynd am archwiliadau am fod ei dad wedi cael diagnosis yn rhy hwyr. Nid achosion haniaethol yw'r rhain. Dyma ein cymdogion, ein ffrindiau, ac i rai ohonom, ein teuluoedd ein hunain. Nid yw canser y prostad yn effeithio ar bob cymuned yn gyfartal. Yn ein cymunedau mwyaf difreintiedig, mae'r rhan fwyaf o ddynion, neu fwy o ddynion, bellach yn cael diagnosis ar gam diweddarach nag ar gam cynharach, tra bod canserau dynion mewn ardaloedd mwy cyfoethog yn cael eu canfod yn gynnar. Yn ymarferol, mae hynny'n golygu y gall cod post dyn benderfynu a yw ei ganser yn cael ei ddarganfod tra gellir ei drin. Yn ôl adroddiad cenedlaethol yr archwiliad Cyflwr y Genedl 2026 i ganser y prostad, cynyddodd diagnosau yng Nghymru 12 y cant rhwng 2023 a 2024 i oddeutu 2,500 o ddynion. Hynny yw 2,500 o ddynion mewn un flwyddyn a glywodd y geiriau, 'Mae gennych ganser', a 2,500 o deuluoedd y newidiodd eu bywydau yn y foment honno. Canfu'r un archwiliad mai dim ond 54 y cant o ddynion yng Nghymru sydd â chlefyd risg uchel neu glefyd wedi datblygu'n lleol a gafodd driniaeth radical, o'i gymharu â 69 y cant yn Lloegr. Dyna'r dynion sydd â'r canserau mwyaf peryglus, ac mae'n ymddangos bod gormod ohonynt heb gael y driniaeth a allai fod wedi achub eu bywydau. Ar yr un pryd, cafodd 11 y cant o ddynion yng Nghymru â chlefyd risg isel driniaeth radical nad oedd ei hangen o bosibl, o'i gymharu â 7 y cant yn Lloegr, gyda'r holl ganlyniadau parhaol y gall hynny eu creu. Mae'r archwiliad yn annog gofal ynglŷn â'r ffigurau Cymreig oherwydd problemau gydag ansawdd data. Meddyliwch beth y mae hynny'n ei olygu. Ni allwn ddweud yn hyderus hyd yn oed faint o ddynion â chanser y prostad sy'n cael eu trin yng Nghymru. Dylai hynny beri pryder i bob un ohonom, a dylid ei gywiro. Fe wyddom hefyd pa mor anodd yw hi i lawer o ddynion fynd at eu meddyg. Mae gormod o bobl wedi tyfu i fyny'n credu bod siarad am eu hiechyd yn wendid, ac yn aml, nid yw canser y prostad yn rhoi unrhyw rybudd yn ei gamau cynnar. Mae Aelodau'r Senedd wedi siarad gyda dewrder gwirioneddol am eu profiadau personol, ac rwy'n talu teyrnged iddynt, Paul. Mae arweinydd ein plaid ni yn yr Alban wedi gwneud yr un peth. Ond ni allwn ofyn i ddynion fod yn ddigon dewr i fynd at eu meddyg a methu cael cynllun clir yn aros amdanynt pan fyddant yn gwneud hynny. Dynion yw 54 y cant o farwolaethau canser yng Nghymru. Dyna pam y mae Reform Wales wedi galw am strategaeth ganser 10 mlynedd, buddsoddiad mewn diagnosteg fodern, sgrinio wedi'i dargedu lle mae'r angen mwyaf, a fframwaith iechyd dynion i Gymru. Felly, rwy'n galw ar y Llywodraeth i enwi canser y prostad yn y strategaeth, gan gynnwys amcanion clir a mesuradwy, i drwsio'r data fel ein bod yn gwybod beth sy'n digwydd i ddynion sydd wedi cael diagnosis o ganser y prostad, ac i gau'r bwlch rhwng ein cymunedau cyfoethocaf a thlotaf, fel nad oes unrhyw ddyn yn cael diagnosis yn rhy hwyr oherwydd lle mae'n byw. Rwy'n annog pob Aelod i gefnogi'r cynnig hwn. Diolch. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780761 333 En 2026-10-21T17:10:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=13202&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=13202&l=cy 261021-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Strategaeth canser y prostad 7. Reform UK Debate: Prostate cancer strategy C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780770 334 Cy 2026-10-21T17:11:53 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=13315&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=13315&l=en 261021-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Strategaeth canser y prostad 7. Reform UK Debate: Prostate cancer strategy C 8371 8371 Elwyn Vaughan https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8371 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8371 Vaughan, Elwyn Diolch am ddod â'r ddadl yma ymlaen heddiw. Fel rydym eisoes wedi'i glywed, mae'r ystadegau ynghylch nifer y dynion sy'n cael eu heffeithio gan y clefyd creulon hwn bob blwyddyn yn peri cryn bryder. Mae'n bwysig cydnabod nad yw ein cymunedau gwledig yn imiwn i'r her hon. Yn wir, fel nodai sawl astudiaeth, gall y baich fod yn arbennig o drwm ar ddynion mewn ardaloedd gwledig, lle gall mynediad at wasanaethau iechyd fod yn fwy heriol. Mae nifer o ffactorau'n cyfrannu at hyn: y pellter y mae'n rhaid i rai dynion ei deithio i gyrraedd meddygfa; y pryderon ynghylch y gostyngiad mewn gwasanaethau meddygon teulu, fel y gwelwn ym Mhowys ar hyn o bryd; a'r diffyg trafnidiaeth gyhoeddus mewn ardaloedd gwledig. Gall y rhwystrau hyn ei gwneud yn anoddach i ddynion gael cyngor meddygol a'r diagnosis cynnar hollbwysig. Nid heriau ymarferol yn unig sydd angen inni fynd i'r afael â nhw, ychwaith. Yn aml, gall stigma ac amharodrwydd i drafod materion iechyd personol hefyd arwain at oedi. Gwyddom fod rhai dynion mewn cymunedau amaethyddol yn fwy parod i boeni am iechyd a lles eu hanifeiliaid nag am eu hiechyd eu hunain. Mae hynny'n rhywbeth y mae angen inni ei newid. Rhaid meithrin diwylliant lle gall dynion deimlo'n gyfforddus i siarad am eu hiechyd a bod yn barod i ofyn am gyngor pan fydd rhywbeth yn peri pryder iddynt. Mae nifer o fudiadau eisoes yn gwneud gwaith gwerthfawr iawn i fynd i'r afael â'r stigma hwn. Mae gwaith diweddar elusen FCN, ar y cyd â Macmillan, i dynnu sylw at yr heriau o ran mynediad at wasanaethau canser mewn ardaloedd gwledig yn enghraifft bwysig o hynny. Yn yr un modd, roeddwn yn falch iawn o weld Undeb Amaethwyr Cymru yn mabwysiadu Prostate Cymru fel elusen llywydd yr undeb eleni. Gobeithiaf yn fawr bydd y bartneriaeth hon yn helpu i gyrraedd mwy o ddynion yn ein cymunedau ffermio a phwysleisio pwysigrwydd adnabod symptomau posibl a chanfod cyngor meddygol yn brydlon. Er mwyn sicrhau newid gwirioneddol, mae'n hanfodol bod unrhyw strategaeth i wella ymwybyddiaeth a mynediad at ddiagnosis a thriniaeth yn cyd-fynd â chynlluniau ehangach Llywodraeth Cymru i wella gwasanaethau iechyd gwledig. I'r perwyl hwn, rwy'n mawr obeithio y bydd strategaeth o'r fath yn gweithio law yn llaw â dyhead blaengar Llywodraeth Cymru i sefydlu canolfan diagnosis cyflym newydd ym Mhowys. Mae hwn yn ddatblygiad pwysig i'r rhanbarth. Ar hyn o bryd, mae'n rhaid i rai cleifion deithio y tu allan i Bowys i gael asesiadau arbenigol, gan nad oes gwasanaethau diagnostig priodol ar gael yn lleol. Gall hyn olygu teithiau hir, costau ychwanegol a straen pellach i gleifion a'u teuluoedd ar adeg sydd eisoes yn llawn pryder. Byddai canolfan newydd yn gyfle i wella mynediad at asesiadau amserol, lleihau rhwystrau daearyddol, a helpu i sicrhau bod cleifion yn cael yr ymchwiliadau sydd eu hangen arnynt cyn gynted â phosibl. Gwyddom fod ymwybyddiaeth a diagnosis cynnar yn hanfodol er mwyn gwella canlyniadau triniaeth ar gyfer canser y prostad. Drwy sicrhau bod anghenion cymunedau gwledig wrth galon unrhyw strategaeth, gallwn wneud gwahaniaeth gwirioneddol i fywydau dynion ledled Cymru. Diolch yn fawr. Thank you for tabling this debate today. As we've already heard, the statistics regarding the number of men who are impacted by this cruel disease every year cause quite a lot of concern. It's important to recognise that our rural communities are not immune to this challenge. Indeed, as noted in several studies, the burden can be particularly heavy for men in rural areas, where access to health services can be more challenging. A number of factors contribute to this: the distance that some men have to travel to reach a GP; concerns regarding the reduction in GP services, as we currently see in Powys; and the lack of public transport in rural areas. These barriers can all make it more difficult for men to access medical advice and that critical early diagnosis.  It isn't just the practical challenges that we have to tackle, either. Often, stigma and unwillingness to discuss personal health matters can also lead to delay. We know that some men in farming communities are more prepared to prioritise the health and welfare of their animals over their own. We need to change that. We must foster a culture where men feel comfortable speaking about their health and are willing to ask for advice when something worries them.  A number of organisations do valuable work in tackling this stigma. Recent work by the FCN charity, in partnership with Macmillan, to draw attention to the challenges in terms of access to cancer services in rural areas is an important example of these efforts. By the same token, I was very pleased to see the FUW adopting Prostate Cymru as the union president’s charity this year. I very much hope that this partnership will help to reach more men in our farming communities and emphasise the importance of identifying potential symptoms and seeking prompt medical advice. In order to ensure real change, it's vital that any strategy to increase awareness and improve access to diagnosis and treatment aligns with the Welsh Government's broader plans to improve rural health services. To this end, I very much hope that such a strategy will work hand in hand with the Welsh Government's progressive aspiration to establish a new rapid diagnosis centre in Powys. This is an important development for the region. At present, some patients have to travel outside Powys to receive specialist assessments because there are no suitable diagnostic services available locally. This can mean long journeys, additional costs and further strain for patients and their families at a time already full of worry. A new centre would be an opportunity to improve access to timely assessments and reduce geographical barriers, and it would help to ensure that patients are examined as soon as possible.  We know that awareness and early diagnosis are vital in order to improve treatment outcomes for prostate cancer. By ensuring that the needs of rural communities are at the heart of any strategy, we can make a genuine difference to men’s lives the length and breadth of Wales. Thank you very much. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780765 335 Cy 2026-10-21T17:15:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=13502&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=13502&l=en 261021-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Strategaeth canser y prostad 7. Reform UK Debate: Prostate cancer strategy C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780766 336 En 2026-10-21T17:15:18 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=13520&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=13520&l=cy 261021-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Strategaeth canser y prostad 7. Reform UK Debate: Prostate cancer strategy C 12153 12153 Helen Jenner AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12153 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12153 Leader of the Opposition Arweinydd yr Wrthblaid Jenner, Hellen Nothing can ever prepare a person for receiving a cancer diagnosis, or indeed hearing about the diagnosis of a family member or a friend. It's one of the most terrifying things that anyone can be told, and it's a disease that touches, in effect, so many of us. Therefore, I welcome the Government's 10-year cancer strategy, because it's badly needed. We're hearing today about why prostate cancer deserves proper attention within the national cancer strategy for Wales, and I'll be building on those points. But I also want to share with you a personal experience. I'd like to thank Paul and Janet for sharing their experiences also. My father was diagnosed with prostate cancer in 2023. It was the most horrendous news to hear and it's been a very tough experience for our family, especially, at one point, we had an agonising wait of seven days to find out whether or not it had actually spread to his bones. I'm relieved to be able to tell the Siambr today that, three years on, he's still in remission. He doesn't like to have a fuss made of him, and he went through the first few weeks of this process alone because he didn't want to worry anybody. Thankfully, we're beginning to turn the page and move on from a very difficult chapter for us. Early diagnosis and timely treatment were essential for my father, as they are for all men affected by prostate cancer here in Wales. Ensuring that our health service has the ability and the bandwidth to test and treat the thousands of people in Wales being diagnosed annually is crucial. The 'National Prostate Cancer Audit State of the Nation Report 2026' recorded around 2,700 prostate cancer diagnoses in Wales in 2024, as we've heard, and it increased 12 per cent on the previous year. And as we've heard a few times, but it does bear emphasis, just 54 per cent of men in Wales with high-risk or locally advanced prostate cancer received radical treatment, compared with 69 per cent in England. Meanwhile, 11 per cent of men in Wales with low-risk disease received radical treatment, with concerns that this may represent over-treatment, compared with the 7 per cent in England. These figures raise serious questions about whether patients are consistently receiving the right treatment at the right time. However, the audit itself warns that problems with Welsh data quality and completeness mean that these findings must be interpreted with caution. Reliable data, modern systems and effective accountability are needed to deliver on its commitments. How can the Government properly assess performance, allocate resources or establish whether its policies are working if it cannot reliably measure what is happening? Cancer services need reliable systems that allow clinicians to access accurate information, co-ordinate treatment and identify delays. The Government must explain how it will ensure that the new platform delivers and how it will hold those responsible to account if it does not. Llywydd, there is a wider lesson here about funding. In its evidence to the Senedd's Public Accounts and Public Administration Committee, the Wales Cancer Alliance argued that increased investment in cancer services has not translated into proportional improvements in performance or patient outcomes. It also highlighted that the national target requiring 75 per cent of patients to begin treatment within 62 days of their first suspicion of cancer has not been met across Wales as a whole, or by any individual health board, since August 2020. Let us consider that. Years of missed targets across every health board in Wales. That should concern every Member of this Senedd. Of course, cancer services need adequate funding so that the NHS can afford modern diagnostic equipment, effective treatments, reliable digital infrastructure and properly staffed services. They all require investment. But we cannot simply assume that spending more money will automatically produce better outcomes. We need clear lines of responsibility, transparent performance measures and accountability when commitments are repeatedly missed. Prostate cancer must be included in the national strategy and that must mean measurable commitments on earlier diagnosis, timely treatment, reliable data and reducing unwarranted variation between health boards. And it must mean publishing progress, identifying failures and directing resources where they will make the greatest difference to patients. We should not accept a situation in which the Government cannot confidently establish what is happening to patients because its data is incomplete. The forthcoming strategy is an opportunity to put these failures right. The Government must explicitly recognise prostate cancer as a priority and demonstrate how investment, digital transformation and service reform will work together to improve outcomes, because men diagnosed with prostate cancer do not need another promise, they need to know that their health is considered, understood and included. They need a health service that can provide the right treatment, at the right time, and demonstrate that it is getting better. That is what accountability looks like; that is what our motion will deliver. I therefore urge Members to support it. Diolch, Lywydd. Ni all unrhyw beth byth baratoi rhywun ar gyfer cael diagnosis o ganser, neu glywed am ddiagnosis aelod o'r teulu neu ffrind yn wir. Mae'n un o'r pethau mwyaf dychrynllyd y gellir dweud wrth unrhyw un, ac mae'n glefyd sy'n cyffwrdd â gymaint ohonom. Felly, rwy'n croesawu strategaeth ganser 10 mlynedd y Llywodraeth, oherwydd mae ei hangen yn fawr. Rydym yn clywed heddiw pam y mae canser y prostad yn haeddu sylw priodol yn strategaeth ganser genedlaethol Cymru, ac fe adeiladaf ar y pwyntiau hynny. Ond rwyf hefyd eisiau rhannu profiad personol gyda chi. Hoffwn ddiolch i Paul a Janet am rannu eu profiadau nhw hefyd. Cafodd fy nhad ddiagnosis o ganser y prostad yn 2023. Dyma'r newyddion mwyaf erchyll i'w glywed ac mae wedi bod yn brofiad anodd iawn i'n teulu, yn enwedig, ar un adeg, pan fu'n rhaid inni aros am saith diwrnod i ddarganfod a oedd wedi lledaenu i'w esgyrn ai peidio. Mae'n rhyddhad gallu dweud wrth y Siambr heddiw, dair blynedd yn ddiweddarach, ei fod yn dal yn rhydd o ganser. Nid yw'n hoff o ffws, ac aeth trwy wythnosau cyntaf y broses hon ar ei ben ei hun am nad oedd eisiau peri gofid i neb. Diolch byth, rydym yn dechrau cefnu ar y cyfnod anodd hwn i ni. Roedd diagnosis cynnar a thriniaeth amserol yn allweddol i fy nhad, fel y maent i bob dyn yr effeithiwyd arnynt gan ganser y prostad yma yng Nghymru. Mae sicrhau bod gan ein gwasanaeth iechyd allu i brofi a thrin y miloedd o bobl yng Nghymru sy'n cael diagnosis bob blwyddyn yn hanfodol. Cofnododd adroddiad cenedlaethol yr archwiliad Cyflwr y Genedl 2026 i ganser y prostad oddeutu 2,700 o ddiagnosau canser y prostad yng Nghymru yn 2024, fel y clywsom, a chynyddodd 12 y cant o'i gymharu â'r flwyddyn flaenorol. Ac fel y clywsom fwy nag unwaith, ond mae'n werth ei bwysleisio, dim ond 54 y cant o ddynion yng Nghymru â chanser y prostad risg uchel neu wedi datblygu'n lleol a gafodd driniaeth radical, o'i gymharu â 69 y cant yn Lloegr. Yn y cyfamser, cafodd 11 y cant o ddynion yng Nghymru sydd â chlefyd risg isel driniaeth radical, gyda phryderon y gallent fod wedi cael gormod o driniaeth, o'i gymharu â 7 y cant yn Lloegr. Mae'r ffigurau hyn yn codi cwestiynau difrifol ynglŷn ag a yw cleifion yn cael y driniaeth gywir yn gyson ar yr adeg iawn. Fodd bynnag, mae'r archwiliad ei hun yn rhybuddio bod problemau gydag ansawdd data a pha mor gyflawn yw data yng Nghymru sy'n golygu bod yn rhaid dehongli'r canfyddiadau hyn yn ofalus. Mae angen data dibynadwy, systemau modern ac atebolrwydd effeithiol i gyflawni ei ymrwymiadau. Sut y gall y Llywodraeth asesu perfformiad yn iawn, dyrannu adnoddau neu sefydlu a yw ei pholisïau'n gweithio os nad yw'n gallu mesur yn ddibynadwy beth sy'n digwydd? Mae angen systemau dibynadwy ar wasanaethau canser sy'n caniatáu i glinigwyr gael mynediad at wybodaeth gywir, cydlynu triniaeth a nodi unrhyw oedi. Rhaid i'r Llywodraeth esbonio sut y bydd yn sicrhau bod y platfform newydd yn cyflawni a sut y bydd yn dwyn y rhai sy'n gyfrifol i gyfrif os nad yw'n cyflawni. Lywydd, mae gwers ehangach yma ynglŷn â chyllid. Yn ei thystiolaeth i Bwyllgor Cyfrifon Cyhoeddus a Gweinyddiaeth Gyhoeddus y Senedd, dadleuodd Cynghrair Canser Cymru nad yw mwy o fuddsoddiad mewn gwasanaethau canser wedi trosi'n welliannau cymesur mewn perfformiad na chanlyniadau cleifion. Nododd hefyd nad yw'r targed cenedlaethol sy'n ei gwneud yn ofynnol i 75 y cant o gleifion ddechrau triniaeth o fewn 62 diwrnod i amheuaeth gyntaf o ganser wedi'i gyrraedd ledled Cymru gyfan, nac mewn unrhyw fwrdd iechyd unigol, ers mis Awst 2020. Gadewch inni ystyried hynny. Blynyddoedd o dargedau wedi'u methu ar draws pob bwrdd iechyd yng Nghymru. Dylai hynny beri pryder i bob Aelod o'r Senedd hon. Wrth gwrs, mae angen cyllid digonol ar wasanaethau canser fel y gall y GIG fforddio offer diagnostig modern, triniaethau effeithiol, seilwaith digidol dibynadwy a gwasanaethau wedi'u staffio'n briodol. Mae pob un ohonynt yn galw am fuddsoddiad. Ond ni allwn gymryd yn ganiataol y bydd gwario mwy o arian yn awtomatig yn cynhyrchu canlyniadau gwell. Mae angen llinellau cyfrifoldeb clir, mesurau perfformiad tryloyw ac atebolrwydd pan fydd ymrwymiadau'n cael eu methu dro ar ôl tro. Rhaid cynnwys canser y prostad yn y strategaeth genedlaethol a rhaid i hynny olygu ymrwymiadau mesuradwy ar ddiagnosis cynharach, triniaeth amserol, data dibynadwy a lleihau amrywiad diangen rhwng byrddau iechyd. Ac mae'n rhaid iddo olygu cyhoeddi cynnydd, gan nodi methiannau a chyfeirio adnoddau i lle byddant yn gwneud y gwahaniaeth mwyaf i gleifion. Ni ddylem dderbyn sefyllfa lle na all y Llywodraeth sefydlu'n hyderus beth sy'n digwydd i gleifion am fod ei data'n anghyflawn. Mae'r strategaeth sydd ar y ffordd yn gyfle i gywiro'r methiannau hyn. Rhaid i'r Llywodraeth gydnabod canser y prostad yn benodol fel blaenoriaeth a dangos sut y bydd buddsoddiad, trawsnewid digidol a diwygio gwasanaethau'n gweithio gyda'i gilydd i wella canlyniadau, oherwydd nid addewid arall sydd ei angen ar ddynion sydd wedi cael diagnosis o ganser y prostad, mae angen iddynt wybod bod eu hiechyd yn cael ei ystyried, ei ddeall a'i gynnwys. Mae angen gwasanaeth iechyd arnynt sy'n gallu darparu'r driniaeth iawn, ar yr adeg iawn, a dangos ei fod yn gwella. Dyna yw atebolrwydd; dyna beth fydd ein cynnig yn ei gyflawni. Felly, rwy'n annog yr Aelodau i'w gefnogi. Diolch, Lywydd. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780768 337 En 2026-10-21T17:20:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=13802&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=13802&l=cy 261021-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Strategaeth canser y prostad 7. Reform UK Debate: Prostate cancer strategy C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780769 338 Cy 2026-10-21T17:20:29 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=13831&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=13831&l=en 261021-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Strategaeth canser y prostad 7. Reform UK Debate: Prostate cancer strategy C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Galwaf ar y Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal, Mabon ap Gwynfor. I call on the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care, Mabon ap Gwynfor. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780771 339 Cy 2026-10-21T17:20:34 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=13836&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=13836&l=en 261021-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Strategaeth canser y prostad 7. Reform UK Debate: Prostate cancer strategy C 269 269 Mabon ap Gwynfor AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 Cabinet Minister for Health and Care Y Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal ap Gwynfor, Mabon Diolch, Lywydd. Dwi'n croesawu'r cyfle i ymateb i'r ddadl yma ac i gydnabod pwysigrwydd canser y prostad i'r nifer fawr o ddynion, teuluoedd a chymunedau ledled Cymru y mae e'n effeithio arnyn nhw. Canser yw prif achos marwolaethau yng Nghymru, ac mae canser y prostad bellach yn un o'r canserau mwyaf cyffredin y mae dynion yn cael diagnosis ohonyn nhw. Mae gormod o ddynion yn dal i wynebu oedi cyn cael diagnosis, triniaeth a gofal, ac mae gormod o deuluoedd yn dal i brofi ansicrwydd a phryder wrth aros am atebion. Mae'n rhaid i ni wneud yn well. Gaf i fod yn glir? Dwi'n deall y pryderon sydd wedi ysgogi'r ddadl hon. Bydd yr Aelodau'n gwybod bod gwasanaethau canser yng Nghymru yn flaenoriaeth fawr i mi. Ym maes canser, mae'r perfformiad o ran amseroedd aros yn parhau i fod yn is na'r safonau rydyn ni'n eu disgwyl, ac mae hynny'n cynnwys rhannau o'r llwybr wroleg. Er bod staff yr NHS yn parhau i weithio'n ddiflino o dan bwysau sylweddol, dwi ddim yn fodlon efo ble rydyn ni heddiw a dylai neb arall yn y Siambr yma fod yn fodlon chwaith. Mae gwellau canlyniadau a phrofiadau i bawb sy'n cael eu heffeithio gan ganser yn parhau i fod yn flaenoriaeth allweddol i'r Llywodraeth yma. Dyna'n union pam rydyn ni'n datblygu strategaeth ganser genedlaethol 10 mlynedd newydd, y cyntaf o'i bath ers 2006. Bydd y gwaith hwn yn gosod gweledigaeth strategol, hirdymor a blaenoriaethau cenedlaethol i lywio gwaith cynllunio'r NHS a thrawsnewid gofal canser dros y ddegawd nesaf. Mae'r nod yn syml ond yn arwyddocaol: bod mwy o bobl yn goroesi canser, bod mwy o ganserau yn cael diagnosis yn gynharach, nad yw mynediad at ofal yn dibynnu ar ble mae rhywun yn byw, a bod pobl yn cael cymorth amserol wedi'i bersonoli drwy gydol eu taith canser. Rhaid i'r un nod gael ei wireddu ar gyfer dynion sy'n cael diagnosis o ganser y prostad ag i bawb sy'n cael eu heffeithio gan ganser yng Nghymru. Thank you, Llywydd. I welcome the opportunity to respond to this debate and to recognise the significance of prostate cancer for the large number of men, families and communities across Wales that it affects. Cancer is the leading cause of death in Wales, and prostate cancer is now one of the most common cancers diagnosed in men. Too many men still face delays in receiving a diagnosis, treatment and care, and too many families continue to experience uncertainty and anxiety whilst waiting for answers. We must do better. Let me be clear. I understand the concerns that have prompted this debate. Members will be aware that cancer services in Wales are a major priority for me. In the field of cancer, performance regarding waiting times remains below the standards that we expect, and this includes parts of the urology pathway. Although NHS staff continue to work tirelessly under significant pressures, I am not satisfied with the current situation and no-one else in this Chamber should be satisfied either. Improving outcomes and experiences for everyone affected by cancer remains a key priority for this Government. That is exactly why we are developing a new 10-year cancer strategy, the first of its kind since 2006. This work will set out a long-term strategic vision as well as national priorities to guide NHS planning and the transformation of cancer care over the next decade. Our objective is simple, but significant: that more people survive cancer, that more cancers are diagnosed early, that access to care does not depend on where one lives, and that people receive timely, personalised support throughout their cancer journey. This same objective must be delivered for men diagnosed with prostate cancer, just as it must for everyone affected by cancer in Wales. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780774 340 En 2026-10-21T17:22:43 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=13965&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=13965&l=cy 261021-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Strategaeth canser y prostad 7. Reform UK Debate: Prostate cancer strategy C 269 269 Mabon ap Gwynfor AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 ap Gwynfor, Mabon We intend to publish this strategy on World Cancer Day 2027, alongside a national cancer conference bringing together NHS leaders, clinicians, planners, partners, stakeholders and the third sector to share best practice and explore how our national priorities will be delivered across the next decade. Improving outcomes and experience to match the top quartile in Europe will require sustained effort, long-term commitment and honest recognition of the challenges we face. It's an ambition worthy of the people of Wales. Cancer doesn't discriminate, and nor should we. Our intention is to support improvements across all cancer types and for people of all ages, backgrounds and communities. Importantly, the strategy will cover the entire cancer pathway, from prevention and screening through to diagnosis, treatment, recovery, survivorship and living well with and beyond cancer. The strategy will address the key challenges facing cancer services, while putting in place the enablers needed to deliver sustained improvement. That means looking at workforce, leadership, research, innovation, digital systems, infrastructure and service design alongside the quality and effectiveness of care itself. We also want to accelerate the adoption of new validated tests, technologies and recommended treatments, while strengthening accountability and transparency to drive improvement across Wales. The strategy is being informed by one of the most extensive engagement exercises undertaken in cancer policy in Wales. A national call for evidence is currently gathering insights from stakeholders and the public, and I encourage all those with an interest in cancer services to contribute by the 31 October deadline. Alongside this, we are undertaking structured engagement with NHS organisations, professional bodies, key partners and the Wales Cancer Alliance. To Paul's point on consultation, we are listening directly to people affected by cancer through patient engagement forums across Wales, co-ordinated by the Wales Cancer Alliance, to ensure that lived experience helps shape the priorities and actions needed to improve outcomes and experiences for the future. It's important that this process is allowed to conclude before decisions are taken on the final content of the strategy. The programme of engagement is still under way and the final priorities should be shaped by the views, expertise and lived experiences that we are gathering, rather than by predetermined conclusions. The challenges facing the urology cancer pathway are not unique, but they bring into sharp focus the changes we must make if we are to improve cancer outcomes in Wales. These ambitions sit at the heart of the strategy. While the Welsh Government doesn't directly fund individual diagnostic tests, the strategy will set out how the NHS and its partners will work together to evaluate and introduce new diagnostic investigations for suspected cancer, including for prostate cancer. Rydym yn bwriadu cyhoeddi'r strategaeth hon ar Ddiwrnod Canser y Byd 2027, ochr yn ochr â chynhadledd ganser genedlaethol sy'n dod ag arweinwyr y GIG, clinigwyr, cynllunwyr, partneriaid, rhanddeiliaid a'r trydydd sector ynghyd i rannu arferion gorau ac archwilio sut y bydd ein blaenoriaethau cenedlaethol yn cael eu cyflawni dros y degawd nesaf. Bydd gwella canlyniadau a phrofiad i gyd-fynd â'r chwartel uchaf yn Ewrop yn galw am ymdrech barhaus, ymrwymiad hirdymor a chydnabyddiaeth onest o'r heriau sy'n ein hwynebu. Mae'n uchelgais sy'n deilwng o bobl Cymru. Nid yw canser yn gwahaniaethu, ac ni ddylem ninnau chwaith. Ein bwriad yw cefnogi gwelliannau ar draws pob math o ganser ac ar gyfer pobl o bob oedran, cefndir a chymuned. Yn bwysig, bydd y strategaeth yn cwmpasu'r llwybr canser cyfan, o atal a sgrinio hyd at ddiagnosis, triniaeth, adferiad, goroesi a byw'n dda gyda chanser a thu hwnt. Bydd y strategaeth yn mynd i'r afael â'r heriau allweddol sy'n wynebu gwasanaethau canser, gan roi'r galluogwyr sydd eu hangen ar waith i gyflawni gwelliant parhaus. Mae hynny'n golygu edrych ar weithlu, arweinyddiaeth, ymchwil, arloesedd, systemau digidol, seilwaith a llunio gwasanaethau ochr yn ochr ag ansawdd ac effeithiolrwydd gofal ei hun. Rydym hefyd am gyflymu'r broses o fabwysiadu profion, technolegau a thriniaethau newydd a ddilyswyd a rhai a argymhellir, gan gryfhau atebolrwydd a thryloywder i ysgogi gwelliant ledled Cymru. Caiff y strategaeth ei llywio gan un o'r ymarferion ymgysylltu mwyaf helaeth a gynhaliwyd ym maes polisi canser yng Nghymru. Ar hyn o bryd mae galwad genedlaethol am dystiolaeth yn casglu sylwadau gan randdeiliaid a'r cyhoedd, ac rwy'n annog pawb sydd â diddordeb mewn gwasanaethau canser i gyfrannu erbyn y dyddiad cau ar 31 Hydref. Ochr yn ochr â hyn, rydym yn ymgysylltu'n strwythuredig â sefydliadau'r GIG, cyrff proffesiynol, partneriaid allweddol a Chynghrair Canser Cymru. Ar bwynt Paul ynghylch ymgynghori, rydym yn gwrando'n uniongyrchol ar bobl yr effeithir arnynt gan ganser drwy fforymau ymgysylltu â chleifion ledled Cymru, a gydlynir gan Gynghrair Canser Cymru, i sicrhau bod profiad bywyd yn helpu i siapio'r blaenoriaethau a'r camau gweithredu sydd eu hangen i wella canlyniadau a phrofiadau ar gyfer y dyfodol. Mae'n bwysig fod y broses hon yn cael ei gadael i orffen cyn y gwneir penderfyniadau ar gynnwys terfynol y strategaeth. Mae'r rhaglen ymgysylltu'n dal i fynd rhagddi a dylai'r blaenoriaethau terfynol gael eu siapio gan y safbwyntiau, yr arbenigedd a'r profiadau bywyd yr ydym yn eu casglu, yn hytrach na chasgliadau y daethpwyd iddynt ymlaen llaw. Nid yw'r heriau sy'n wynebu'r llwybr canser wrolegol yn unigryw, ond maent yn rhoi ffocws clir i'r newidiadau sy'n rhaid inni eu gwneud os ydym am wella canlyniadau canser yng Nghymru. Mae'r uchelgeisiau hyn yn ganolog i'r strategaeth. Er nad yw Llywodraeth Cymru yn ariannu profion diagnostig unigol yn uniongyrchol, bydd y strategaeth yn nodi sut y bydd y GIG a'i bartneriaid yn gweithio gyda'i gilydd i werthuso a chyflwyno archwiliadau diagnostig newydd lle ceir amheuaeth o ganser, gan gynnwys ar gyfer canser y prostad. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780764 341 En 2026-10-21T17:25:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=14102&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=14102&l=cy 261021-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Strategaeth canser y prostad 7. Reform UK Debate: Prostate cancer strategy C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780773 342 Cy 2026-10-21T17:26:08 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=14170&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=14170&l=en 261021-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Strategaeth canser y prostad 7. Reform UK Debate: Prostate cancer strategy C 269 269 Mabon ap Gwynfor AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 ap Gwynfor, Mabon Dwi'n cydnabod y pryder y mae canser y prostad yn achosi i ddynion a'u teuluoedd a pham y byddai llawer yn croesawu sgrinio. Mae Llywodraeth Cymru yn dilyn cyngor Pwyllgor Sgrinio Cenedlaethol y Deyrnas Gyfunol ac, ar hyn o bryd, dyw'r pwyllgor ddim yn argymell sgrinio poblogaeth ar gyfer canser y prostad. Er hynny, mae wedi argymell sgrinio wedi ei dargedu ar gyfer dynion rhwng 45 a 61 oed gyda'r gennyn BRCA2 a hanes teuluol gradd gyntaf o ganser y fron, yr ofari, y pancreas neu'r prostad. Rydyn ni wedi gofyn i Iechyd Cyhoeddus Cymru i ystyried sut y gallai hyn gael ei gyflawni yng Nghymru. Mae'n arfer clinigol sefydledig eisoes i gleifion â chanser prostad lleol risg isel gael cynnig gwyliadwriaeth weithredol, ac rydyn ni'n monitro cyfraddau triniaeth radical drwy archwiliad cenedlaethol canser y prostad, i gefnogi gwelliannau mewn gofal. Mae meddygon teulu yn cefnogi gwneud penderfyniadau a rennir gydag unrhyw ddyn sy'n pryderu am ei risg o ddatblygu canser y prostad. Mi fyddwn ni'n gweithio gyda'r NHS i ystyried a oes angen canllawiau ychwanegol i gefnogi meddygon teulu i gynnal y trafodaethau hyn. Dwi am roi sicrwydd i'r Aelodau nad ydyn ni'n aros i'r strategaeth i wella'r data canser. Gan weithio gyda sefydliadau'r NHS, rydyn ni eisoes yn cryfhau argaeledd, ansawdd a defnydd o'r data i osod amodau llwyddiant ar gyfer pan fydd y strategaeth yn cael ei chyhoeddi. Mae Llywodraeth Cymru wedi gweithredu a bydd yn parhau i weithredu ar ganfyddiadau adroddiad Archwilio Cymru, gyda cham nesaf y gwaith hwn yn cael ei yrru gan y strategaeth. Lywydd, mae pawb yn y Siambr yn rhannu'r un amcan eang: canlyniadau gwell, profiadau gwell a gwasanaethau gwell i bobl sy'n cael eu heffeithio gan ganser yng Nghymru. Mae'r strategaeth ganser genedlaethol yn darparu cyfle unwaith mewn cenhedlaeth i sicrhau'r gwelliant hwnnw, nid yn unig i ddynion sydd wedi cael diagnosis o ganser y prostad, ond i bawb y mae canser yn effeithio arnyn nhw yng Nghymru. Dyna'r ymrwymiad sy'n gyrru'r gwaith yma, a dwi'n edrych ymlaen at barhau â'r daith honno gyda chleifion, clinigwyr, elusennau ac Aelodau ar draws y Siambr hon. Diolch. I recognise the anxiety that prostate cancer causes men and their families and why many would welcome screening. The Welsh Government follows the advice of the UK National Screening Committee and, at present, the committee does not recommend population screening for prostate cancer. However, it has recommended targeted screening for men between the ages of 45 and 61 who carry the BRCA2 gene and have a first-degree family history of breast, ovarian, pancreatic or prostate cancer. We have asked Public Health Wales to consider how this could be implemented in Wales. It is already established clinical practice to offer active surveillance to patients with low-risk, localised prostate cancer, and we are monitoring rates of radical treatment through the national prostate cancer audit, to support improvements in care. GPs support shared decision-making with any man who is concerned about his risk of developing prostate cancer. We will work with the NHS to consider whether additional guidance is needed to support GPs in conducting these discussions. I want to reassure Members that we are not waiting for the strategy to improve cancer data. Working with NHS organisations, we are already strengthening the availability, quality and use of data to lay the groundwork for success once the strategy is published. The Welsh Government has taken action and will continue to take action on the findings of the Audit Wales report, with the next phase of this work being driven by the strategy. Llywydd, everyone in this Chamber shares the same broad objective: better outcomes, better experiences and better services for people affected by cancer in Wales. The national cancer strategy provides a once-in-a-generation opportunity to secure that improvement, not only for men diagnosed with prostate cancer, but for everyone affected by cancer in Wales. That is the commitment driving this work, and I look forward to continuing that journey alongside patients, clinicians, charities and Members from across this Chamber. Thank you. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780780 343 Cy 2026-10-21T17:28:29 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=14311&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=14311&l=en 261021-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Strategaeth canser y prostad 7. Reform UK Debate: Prostate cancer strategy C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Galwaf ar James Evans i ymateb i'r ddadl. I call on James Evans to respond to the debate. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780781 344 En 2026-10-21T17:28:33 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=14315&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=14315&l=cy 261021-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Strategaeth canser y prostad 7. Reform UK Debate: Prostate cancer strategy C 8585 8585 James Evans AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8585 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8585 Evans, James Diolch, Llywydd. Can I just start by thanking all Members who've contributed to this debate, and also the Members who haven't contributed, but have actually sat through and listened to the debate? Because I think it's very nice that we've got a debate that galvanises the whole Chamber together. With all of the rumpus conversations that we have in here, it is quite nice to have some that do bring us together. Ben opened the debate and, as you said, it's the most common cause of cancer in men: 2,500 people diagnosed and, as many people, like yourself, said, 640 of those sadly passing away—sadly too young, a lot of them as well, because the diagnosis wasn't caught early. And that only 54 per cent of men in Wales are accessing rapid treatment compared to 69 per cent in England, and that's something that should concern us all. I know the Cabinet Secretary highlighted—I'll come on to it later—about wanting to be the best in Europe, and I share that ambition, I'm sure we all do, but we need to put a laser focus on this area of cancer, because it is preventable if it is caught early enough. You also raised the issue, as a lot of Members did, around data. It's something that a number of us who've been here a long time have always heard about cancer care, that the data just isn't there to inform decision making, so having more accurate data is very, very important. You also raised early screening. I know a number of Members raised that and that's something that's also very important. I know Prostate Cymru, for example, have gone out doing screening themselves on top of what the NHS is doing, and I think they've done an absolutely phenomenal job in finding a number of people across the country. Sometimes, those are men, as Members have talked about, who wouldn't naturally go and see a doctor, but they've had the sessions in rugby clubs, in gyms, for example, or down the local pub. So, it's actually been really good that they've rolled that out.  Diolch, Lywydd. A gaf i ddechrau trwy ddiolch i'r holl Aelodau sydd wedi cyfrannu at y ddadl hon, a hefyd i'r Aelodau nad ydynt wedi cyfrannu, ond sydd wedi eistedd i wrando ar y ddadl? Oherwydd rwy'n credu ei bod yn braf iawn fod gennym ni ddadl sy'n uno'r Siambr gyfan gyda'i gilydd. Gyda'r holl sgyrsiau llawn twrw a gawn yma, mae'n eithaf braf cael rhai sy'n dod â ni at ein gilydd. Agorodd Ben y ddadl ac fel y dywedoch chi, dyma'r achos mwyaf cyffredin o ganser mewn dynion: 2,500 o bobl wedi cael diagnosis ac fel y dywedodd llawer o bobl, yn eich cynnwys chi, fe fu farw 640 o'r rheini—llawer ohonynt yn rhy ifanc, am na chafwyd diagnosis yn gynnar. Ac mai dim ond 54 y cant o ddynion yng Nghymru sy'n cael triniaeth gyflym o'i gymharu â 69 y cant yn Lloegr, ac mae hynny'n rhywbeth a ddylai beri pryder i bawb ohonom. Rwy'n gwybod bod Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet wedi nodi awydd—fe ddof ato yn nes ymlaen—i fod y gorau yn Ewrop, ac rwy'n rhannu'r uchelgais hwnnw, fel pawb ohonom rwy'n siŵr, ond mae angen inni roi ffocws manwl iawn ar y maes canser hwn, oherwydd mae'n bosibl ei atal os caiff ei ddal yn ddigon cynnar. Fe wnaethoch chi hefyd godi mater data, fel y gwnaeth llawer o'r Aelodau. Mae'n rhywbeth y mae nifer ohonom sydd wedi bod yma ers amser maith bob amser wedi ei glywed am ofal canser, nad yw'r data yno i lywio'r broses o wneud penderfyniadau, felly mae cael data mwy cywir yn bwysig tu hwnt. Fe wnaethoch chi hefyd godi sgrinio cynnar. Rwy'n gwybod bod nifer o'r Aelodau wedi codi hynny ac mae hynny'n rhywbeth sy'n bwysig iawn hefyd. Rwy'n gwybod bod Prostate Cymru, er enghraifft, wedi mynd allan i wneud y sgrinio eu hunain ar ben yr hyn y mae'r GIG yn ei wneud, ac rwy'n credu eu bod wedi gwneud gwaith hollol anhygoel yn dod o hyd i nifer o bobl ledled y wlad. Fel y mae'r Aelodau wedi dweud, weithiau mae'r rheini'n ddynion na fyddent yn naturiol yn mynd i weld meddyg, ond maent wedi cynnal y sesiynau mewn clybiau rygbi, mewn campfeydd, er enghraifft, neu yn y dafarn leol. Felly, mae wedi bod yn dda iawn eu bod nhw wedi gwneud hynny 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780772 345 En 2026-10-21T17:30:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=14402&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=14402&l=cy 261021-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Strategaeth canser y prostad 7. Reform UK Debate: Prostate cancer strategy C 8585 8585 James Evans AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8585 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8585 Evans, James And then Paul Davies—and thank you, Paul, for giving your own personal experience. You and I have talked a lot about this in the past, about your own personal experience of living with prostate cancer and the need to include it within that cancer strategy. That's something that we need to see, because it is the biggest killer of men in terms of cancer. We do need to make sure that it is included. You also raised the consultation, and we all need to see that, if consultations are had by Government, then the lived experience of people has to come through that consultation. It can't just be a tick-box exercise, as you raised. It actually needs to be considered and thought out. You also raised, and I know you've been a real champion for it, the national screening programme, when it was first discussed, and then the UK screening committee decided not to roll it out. I know that you were deeply disappointed about that, like a lot of others, and I'd just like to thank you for the work you've done, not just in this Parliament but in other Parliaments across the UK, to understand why that screening programme should be happening. You also talked about the advances in medical technology as well, and that men in Wales should have access to that technology and not outdated technology, and that was picked up a little bit by the Cabinet Minister. Matthew, your commitment to cancer is unmatched, really, in this Chamber. You worked for a number of cancer charities before you even came to this place, and now you're chairman of the cross-party group on cancer. As someone who's been here before, I can say that that cross-party group does an awful lot of very good work, and it's informed a lot of the work of the cancer strategy over the years as well. So thank you for that. You talked about the excitement that there is amongst a number of third sector bodies and our charities about a cancer strategy, something that a number of us have been shouting about for a long time to have, so it's positive that that is coming forward. You raised the cancer pathways as well, and the delays that some people are experiencing through those pathways. I'm sure that's something that the Government will take heed of from your cross-party group as well, to see how we can improve, not just for prostate cancer but all cancers, to improve the pathways. Ken Skates then opened with his support for the motion. I will give credit to the last Government—I don't give them credit much—for the new Velindre cancer care centre. [Interruption.] You can keep rolling your hand, Ken, but that's as far as it's going. And the work it did with the new cancer centre in Nevill Hall Hospital, the Velindre cancer centre there, and just how that's opened up so many more avenues to get care closer to home. I know the new Cabinet Minister has been there, and I've also been there in a personal capacity with a family member. I know just how important that centre is for so many people. He also talked about the strategy being evidence led by stuff that's going on at a UK level. I think that was really important to highlight. Adrian, you raised your personal experience, like a lot of others did, with cancer, and that a lot of men don't seek out help. That's something that we do see across men's health across the country. A lot of people don't seek help with their own health problems, they just tend to deal with it quietly, and they don't go to the GP, and they don't go for tests. They just put it in a box somewhere and say, 'We won't talk about it'. I think that's really important. You also raised screening, and that the Welsh Government here should follow the advice as it develops. You also mentioned the support that can be given to patients and their families. I think that's really important. Janet, thank you very much. I know about your personal experience. As you said, you and I have also talked about that a lot. You raised the point that 40 per cent of people are only caught at stage 3 and 4, which is an absolutely shocking statistic. It's coming well too late. That's probably one of the worst out of all the cancers, actually, except some of our rarer cancers. And you, like others, raised the screening programme as well. So I'm sure the Cabinet Minister has heard that, that a lot of us in this Chamber want that.  Gareth, you said that cancer can affect everyone, and that men in deprived areas are actually more likely to get diagnosed later than those in more affluent areas, and that's something about health inequalities, which the health committee have looked at on a number of occasions, and how we do need to make sure there is that health equality across Wales, without detriment to anyone in any part of the country. And the postcode lottery—I don't know how many times the Cabinet Minister and I have both heard that before, and others in this Chamber, about how where you live across Wales can really decide how your outcomes and prognosis look, which is also shocking. Elwyn Vaughan talked about people who live in rural areas. You and I and a lot of others share this as well, about the barriers we face to diagnosis. You talked about the farming community especially. Just raising something from my own community, Shearing is Caring raised an awful lot of money for Prostate Cymru, and that's about the farming community and getting men talking more about their health. You talked about the link with the Farming Community Network at Macmillan. I'll give a shameless plug now that I'm running a Hyrox race next week for Macmillan. So if anybody wants to sponsor me, I'm still taking sponsorship. You also talked about the Welsh Government's plan for the rapid diagnostic centre in Powys. I don't agree with Plaid Cymru on much, but I think this could actually be an area where I think it's really positive for the people who live in rural areas, especially in Powys. Helen Jenner spoke about her own personal experience in her own family, and I think it's very important that people do talk about their personal experience. I think it's something that really shapes a parliamentary democracy, that we've got people in here who actually do understand the issue, that have got family going through it. You also said about your father not wanting to worry people. How many times have we heard that with men who are going through a diagnosis? ‘I'm just not going to tell my family.’ I've even known people who've passed away from cancer, and their own family don't even know why they've passed away until after, because it's been hidden from them, because they just don't want them to worry. So, making sure that men talk more is important. You also raised the data and the years of missed targets, and I think that's something that the Cabinet Minister needs to reflect on, and perhaps other Members in the Chamber who were in Government before, that actually this is a historical issue and a historical injustice that really does need to be sorted. Then we moved on to our Cabinet Minister, and I do not pretend that you're not showing commitment to this area. I know you and I have worked closely in the past on cancer pathways and improving cancer care across Wales, so I don't doubt your commitment to that. As you said, cancer is the leading cause of death for men in Wales. It's still too high, and it needs to be addressed. As I said earlier, you talked about us wanting to be the best in Europe. I want us to be the best in the world when it comes to addressing cancer, especially prostate cancer. We're a small nation that spends an awful lot of our public money on the health service. For the money we put into it, we actually get a pretty poor return. Making that money work better to get better outcomes for the people of Wales, and especially men struggling with prostate cancer, is really important. You also talked about the Welsh Government wanting new technologies and tests. I know there are new lung screening tests that are coming through, but there are new tests coming through as well for prostate cancer, and it would be really good if Wales could be a leading partner with charities and with the university institutions to develop these new technologies so people can get seen quicker. You mentioned screening. Something I haven't heard before, actually, is the commitment from the Government—that they've asked Public Health Wales to look at the screening. It's perhaps not as wide as some Members want, but it's screening for perhaps a portion of the population who are at higher risk of getting prostate cancer. The clock has now gone red, but I'm going to make another shameless plug. It's something that I've always been very keen on. It was something in our manifesto—a proper men's health strategy for Wales. I think that is something that is needed. Prostate cancer is a leading cause of death in men, but there are also a lot of other health areas that need to be addressed for our men across the country. We don't talk about it often enough, and I think that's something that the Government should take into serious consideration—a proper men's health strategy for Wales to address the health inequalities of a number of men across our country. I urge all Members to support our motion this afternoon. Diolch. Ac yna Paul Davies—a diolch, Paul, am rannu eich profiad personol. Rydych chi a minnau wedi siarad llawer am hyn yn y gorffennol, am eich profiad personol o fyw gyda chanser y prostad a'r angen i'w gynnwys yn y strategaeth ganser honno. Mae hynny'n rhywbeth y mae angen inni ei weld, gan mai dyma'r canser sy'n lladd y nifer fwyaf o ddynion. Mae angen inni sicrhau ei fod wedi'i gynnwys yn y strategaeth. Fe wnaethoch chi grybwyll yr ymgynghoriad hefyd, ac mae angen i bob un ohonom sicrhau, os bydd y Llywodraeth yn cynnal ymgynghoriad, fod rhaid cynnwys profiad bywyd pobl yn yr ymgynghoriad hwnnw. Ni all fod yn ymarfer ticio blychau'n unig, fel y nodoch chi. Mae angen ei ystyried yn iawn. Fe wnaethoch chi hefyd grybwyll y rhaglen sgrinio genedlaethol, a gwn eich bod wedi bod yn hyrwyddwr go iawn drosti, pan gafodd ei thrafod gyntaf, ac yna penderfynodd pwyllgor sgrinio'r DU beidio â'i chyflwyno. Gwn eich bod wedi'ch siomi'n fawr gan hynny, fel llawer o bobl eraill, a hoffwn ddiolch i chi am y gwaith a wnaethoch, nid yn unig yn y Senedd hon ond mewn Seneddau eraill ledled y DU, i ddeall pam y dylai'r rhaglen sgrinio honno fod ar waith. Fe sonioch chi hefyd am y datblygiadau mewn technoleg feddygol, ac y dylai dynion yng Nghymru gael mynediad at y dechnoleg honno ac nid technoleg sydd wedi dyddio, a chafodd hynny ei ategu i raddau gan y Gweinidog Cabinet. Matthew, mae eich ymrwymiad i ganser yn ddihafal yn y Siambr hon. Fe fuoch chi'n gweithio i nifer o elusennau canser cyn i chi ddod i'r lle hwn, a nawr, rydych chi'n gadeirydd y grŵp trawsbleidiol ar ganser. Fel rhywun sydd wedi bod yma, gallaf ddweud bod y grŵp trawsbleidiol hwnnw'n gwneud llawer iawn o waith da iawn, ac mae wedi llywio llawer o waith y strategaeth ganser dros y blynyddoedd hefyd. Felly, diolch am hynny. Fe sonioch chi am y cyffro ymhlith nifer o gyrff y trydydd sector a'n helusennau ynghylch strategaeth ganser, rhywbeth y mae nifer ohonom wedi bod yn gweiddi amdano ers amser maith, felly mae'n gadarnhaol fod honno'n cael ei chyflwyno. Fe godoch chi'r llwybrau canser hefyd, a'r oedi y mae rhai pobl yn ei wynebu drwy'r llwybrau hynny. Rwy'n siŵr bod hynny'n rhywbeth y bydd y Llywodraeth yn ei ystyried oddi wrth eich grŵp trawsbleidiol hefyd, i weld sut y gallwn wella, nid yn unig ar gyfer canser y prostad, ond pob canser, i wella'r llwybrau. Yna agorodd Ken Skates gyda'i gefnogaeth i'r cynnig. Rwyf am roi clod i'r Llywodraeth ddiwethaf—nid wyf yn rhoi llawer o glod iddynt—am ganolfan gofal canser newydd Felindre. [Torri ar draws.] Gallwch barhau i chwifio'ch llaw, Ken, ond dyna pa mor bell y mae'r clod yn mynd. A'r gwaith a wnaeth gyda'r ganolfan ganser newydd yn Ysbyty Nevill Hall, y ganolfan ganser Felindre yno, a sut y mae hynny wedi agor cymaint yn fwy o lwybrau i gael gofal yn nes at adref. Gwn fod y Gweinidog Cabinet newydd wedi bod yno, ac rwyf innau wedi bod yno gydag aelod o'r teulu. Gwn pa mor bwysig yw'r ganolfan honno i gynifer o bobl. Soniodd hefyd am y strategaeth a gaiff ei harwain gan dystiolaeth drwy bethau sy'n digwydd ar lefel y DU. Rwy'n credu bod hynny'n bwysig iawn i'w nodi. Adrian, fe sonioch chi am eich profiad personol, fel y gwnaeth llawer o Aelodau eraill, gyda chanser, a'r ffaith bod yna lawer o ddynion nad ydynt yn ceisio cymorth. Mae hynny'n rhywbeth a welwn ar draws iechyd dynion ledled y wlad. Mae llawer o bobl nad ydynt yn ceisio cymorth gyda'u problemau iechyd eu hunain, maent yn tueddu i ddelio â'r peth yn dawel, ac nid ydynt yn mynd at y meddyg teulu, ac nid ydynt yn mynd am brofion. Maent yn ei roi mewn blwch yn rhywle ac yn dweud, 'Wnawn ni ddim siarad am y peth'. Rwy'n credu bod hynny'n bwysig iawn. Fe sonioch chi am sgrinio hefyd, a dweud y dylai Llywodraeth Cymru ddilyn y cyngor wrth iddo ddatblygu. Fe sonioch chi hefyd am y cymorth y gellir ei roi i gleifion a'u teuluoedd. Rwy'n credu bod hynny'n bwysig iawn. Janet, diolch yn fawr iawn. Gwn am eich profiad personol. Fel y dywedoch chi, rydym ninnau'n dau wedi siarad llawer am hynny hefyd. Fe godoch chi'r pwynt fod 40 y cant o achosion o ganser y prostad ond yn cael eu dal yng nghamau 3 a 4, sy'n ystadegyn cwbl frawychus. Mae'n digwydd yn llawer rhy hwyr. Mae'n debyg mai dyna un o'r rhai gwaethaf o ran hynny o'r holl ganserau mewn gwirionedd, ac eithrio rhai o'n canserau mwyaf prin. Ac fe wnaethoch chi sôn, fel y gwnaeth eraill, am y rhaglen sgrinio. Felly, rwy'n siŵr bod y Gweinidog Cabinet wedi clywed hynny, fod llawer ohonom yn y Siambr hon eisiau hynny. Gareth, fe ddywedoch chi y gall canser effeithio ar bawb, a bod dynion mewn ardaloedd difreintiedig yn fwy tebygol o gael diagnosis yn hwyrach na'r rheini mewn ardaloedd mwy cyfoethog, ac mae hynny'n dweud rhywbeth am anghydraddoldebau iechyd, y mae'r pwyllgor iechyd wedi edrych arnynt ar nifer o achlysuron, a sut y mae angen inni sicrhau y ceir cydraddoldeb iechyd ledled Cymru, heb greu anfantais i unrhyw un mewn unrhyw ran o'r wlad. A'r loteri cod post—nid wyf yn gwybod sawl gwaith y mae'r Gweinidog Cabinet a minnau wedi clywed hynny o'r blaen, ac eraill yn y Siambr hon, ynglŷn â sut y gall ble rydych chi'n byw yng Nghymru benderfynu eich canlyniadau a'ch prognosis, sydd hefyd yn frawychus. Siaradodd Elwyn Vaughan am bobl sy'n byw mewn ardaloedd gwledig. Rydych chi a minnau a llawer o bobl eraill yn rhannu hyn hefyd, y rhwystrau a wynebwn i ddiagnosis. Fe sonioch chi am y gymuned ffermio yn benodol. I nodi rhywbeth yn fy nghymuned fy hun, cododd Shearing is Caring lawer iawn o arian i Prostate Cymru, ac mae a wnelo hynny â'r gymuned ffermio ac annog dynion i siarad mwy am eu hiechyd. Fe sonioch chi am y cysylltiad â Farming Community Network yn Macmillan. Rwyf am roi hysbysiad digywilydd nawr fy mod yn rhedeg ras Hyrox yr wythnos nesaf i Macmillan. Felly os oes unrhyw un eisiau fy noddi, rwy'n dal i gasglu noddwyr. Fe sonioch chi hefyd am gynllun Llywodraeth Cymru ar gyfer y ganolfan ddiagnosis cyflym ym Mhowys. Nid wyf yn cytuno â Phlaid Cymru ar lawer, ond rwy'n credu y gallai hwn fod yn faes gwirioneddol gadarnhaol i'r bobl sy'n byw mewn ardaloedd gwledig, yn enwedig ym Mhowys. Soniodd Helen Jenner am ei phrofiad personol yn ei theulu ei hun, a chredaf ei bod yn bwysig iawn fod pobl yn siarad am eu profiad personol. Rwy'n credu ei fod yn rhywbeth sy'n rhoi siâp i ddemocratiaeth seneddol, fod gennym bobl yma sy'n deall y mater, sydd â theulu yn mynd drwyddo. Fe ddywedoch chi hefyd nad oedd eich tad eisiau peri gofid i bobl. Sawl gwaith y clywsom hynny gan ddynion sy'n mynd drwy ddiagnosis? 'Nid wyf am ddweud wrth fy nheulu.' Rwyf hyd yn oed wedi adnabod pobl a fu farw o ganser, nad oedd eu teulu eu hunain yn gwybod pam eu bod wedi marw tan ar ôl iddynt farw, am eu bod wedi'i guddio oddi wrthynt, rhag gwneud iddynt boeni. Felly, mae'n bwysig sicrhau bod dynion yn siarad mwy. Fe wnaethoch chi nodi'r data a'r blynyddoedd o dargedau a fethwyd hefyd, a chredaf fod hynny'n rhywbeth y mae angen i'r Gweinidog Cabinet fyfyrio arno, ac Aelodau eraill yn y Siambr a oedd yn arfer bod yn y Llywodraeth, fod hwn mewn gwirionedd yn fater hanesyddol ac yn anghyfiawnder hanesyddol y mae gwir angen ei ddatrys. Yna, fe wnaethom symud ymlaen at ein Gweinidog Cabinet, ac nid wyf am esgus nad ydych chi'n dangos ymrwymiad i'r maes hwn. Gwn eich bod chi a ninnau wedi gweithio'n agos yn y gorffennol ar lwybrau canser a gwella gofal canser ledled Cymru, felly nid wyf yn amau eich ymrwymiad i hynny. Fel y dywedoch chi, canser yw prif achos marwolaeth ymhlith dynion yng Nghymru. Mae'n dal i fod yn rhy uchel, ac mae angen mynd i'r afael â hynny. Fel y dywedais yn gynharach, fe sonioch chi ein bod eisiau bod y gorau yn Ewrop. Rwyf eisiau inni fod y gorau yn y byd o ran mynd i'r afael â chanser, yn enwedig canser y prostad. Rydym yn genedl fach sy'n gwario llawer iawn o'n harian cyhoeddus ar y gwasanaeth iechyd. Am yr arian a roddwn iddo, mae'r enillion a gawn yn eithaf gwael mewn gwirionedd. Mae gwneud i'r arian hwnnw weithio'n well i gael gwell canlyniadau i bobl Cymru, ac yn enwedig dynion â chanser y prostad, yn bwysig iawn. Fe ddywedoch chi hefyd fod Llywodraeth Cymru eisiau technolegau a phrofion newydd. Gwn fod profion sgrinio newydd i'w cael ar gyfer yr ysgyfaint, ond mae profion newydd i'w cael ar gyfer canser y prostad hefyd, a byddai'n dda iawn pe gallai Cymru fod yn bartner blaenllaw gydag elusennau a chyda'r sefydliadau prifysgol i ddatblygu'r technolegau newydd hyn fel y gellir gweld pobl yn gyflymach. Fe sonioch chi am sgrinio. Rhywbeth nad wyf wedi'i glywed o'r blaen mewn gwirionedd yw'r ymrwymiad gan y Llywodraeth—eu bod wedi gofyn i Iechyd Cyhoeddus Cymru edrych ar y sgrinio. Efallai nad yw mor eang ag y byddai rhai Aelodau yn ei ddymuno, ond mae'n wasanaeth sgrinio ar gyfer cyfran o'r boblogaeth a allai wynebu mwy o risg o gael canser y prostad. Mae'r cloc wedi troi'n goch nawr, ond rwy’n mynd i roi cais digywilydd arall. Mae'n rhywbeth rwyf wedi bod yn awyddus iawn i'w weld. Roedd yn ein maniffesto—strategaeth iechyd dynion go iawn i Gymru. Credaf fod hynny'n rhywbeth sydd ei angen. Mae canser y prostad yn un o brif achosion marwolaeth ymhlith dynion, ond mae llawer o feysydd iechyd eraill hefyd y mae angen mynd i'r afael â nhw ar ran ein dynion ledled y wlad. Nid ydym yn siarad amdano'n ddigon aml, ac rwy'n credu bod hynny'n rhywbeth y dylai'r Llywodraeth ei ystyried o ddifrif—strategaeth iechyd dynion go iawn i Gymru i fynd i'r afael ag anghydraddoldebau iechyd nifer o ddynion ledled ein gwlad. Rwy'n annog pob Aelod i gefnogi ein cynnig y prynhawn yma. Diolch. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780777 346 En 2026-10-21T17:35:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=14702&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=14702&l=cy 261021-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Strategaeth canser y prostad 7. Reform UK Debate: Prostate cancer strategy C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780806 347 En 2026-10-21T17:38:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=14882&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=14882&l=cy 261021-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Strategaeth canser y prostad 7. Reform UK Debate: Prostate cancer strategy C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780801 348 Cy 2026-10-21T17:37:59 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=14881&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=14881&l=en 261021-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Strategaeth canser y prostad 7. Reform UK Debate: Prostate cancer strategy C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Y cwestiwn yw: a ddylid derbyn y cynnig heb ei ddiwygio? A oes unrhyw Aelod yn gwrthwynebu? [Gwrthwynebiad.] Gohiriaf y bleidlais o dan yr eitem hon tan y cyfnod pleidleisio. The proposal is to agree the motion without amendment. Does any Member object? [Objection.] I will therefore will defer voting under this item until voting time. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780831 349 Cy 261021-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Strategaeth canser y prostad 7. Reform UK Debate: Prostate cancer strategy I Gohiriwyd y pleidleisio tan y cyfnod pleidleisio. Voting deferred until voting time. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780808 350 Cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport I Detholwyd y gwelliant canlynol: gwelliant 1 yn enw Heledd Fychan. The following amendment has been selected: amendment 1 in the name of Heledd Fychan. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780809 351 Cy 2026-10-21T17:38:13 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=14895&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=14895&l=en 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Yr eitem nesaf yw dadl Llafur Cymru, yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd. Galwaf ar Jayne Bryant i wneud y cynnig. The next item is the Welsh Labour debate, the M4 around Newport. I call on Jayne Bryant to move the motion. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780810 352 Cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport I Cynnig NDM9335 Lynne Neagle Cynnig bod y Senedd: 1. Yn credu bod cynigion Llywodraeth Cymru ar gyfer lliniaru tagfeydd ar yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd yn annigonol. 2. Yn galw ar Lywodraeth Cymru i: a) diystyru cau cyffyrdd; a b) dechrau ar y gwaith o adeiladu ffordd liniaru briodol ar gyfer yr M4. Motion NDM9335 Lynne Neagle To propose that the Senedd: 1. Believes that the Welsh Government’s proposals for the relief of congestion on the M4 around Newport are inadequate. 2. Calls on the Welsh Government to: a) rule out junction closures; and b) begin work on an appropriate relief road for the M4. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780811 353 Cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport I Cynigiwyd y cynnig. Motion moved. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780818 354 En 2026-10-21T17:38:22 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=14904&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=14904&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 5038 5038 Jayne Bryant AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5038 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5038 Bryant, Jayne Diolch, Lywydd. Newport is the city where I was born, grew up in, and live in, and I speak today as part of a group of Welsh Labour Senedd Members who know that this issue has gone unresolved for far too long. You do not need to live locally to know that the M4 around Newport is broken. Sadly, the Brynglas tunnels have become synonymous with gridlock. The vast majority of M4 traffic is not local, but the motorway was never designed to carry the weight of a modern national economy. This stretch of road is the main gateway to south and west Wales. It is critical to our industries, both established and emerging, our ports and our tourism, yet it bisects a growing city. While congestion on this stretch of the M4 puts a handbrake on economic growth, it is the people of Newport who pay the price every single day with air pollution, which is a silent killer. Welsh Labour has laid this motion today because the people of Newport and connected communities in Cwmbran, Torfaen and Caerphilly have had enough. These communities are not some theoretical testbed, and the Plaid Cymru Welsh Government is toying with costly and ineffective proposals that will wreak havoc on people's lives. Let's take the Government's serious proposals to close junctions. Fully closing High Cross and the eastbound slips at Malpas and Caerleon is not a quick fix. The Welsh Government's own report shows that it would only take up to 3 per cent of traffic off the motorway. Not everyone can work from home, and junction closures, whether temporary or permanent, would also affect public transport, access to healthcare, childcare and property prices. It's astounding that the Government is even considering this. Diolch, Lywydd. Casnewydd yw'r ddinas lle cefais fy ngeni, fy magu, a lle rwy'n byw, ac rwy'n siarad heddiw fel rhan o grŵp o Aelodau Senedd Llafur Cymru sy'n gwybod bod y mater hwn heb ei ddatrys ers gormod o amser. Nid oes angen ichi fyw'n lleol i wybod bod rhywbeth o'i le gyda'r M4 o amgylch Casnewydd. Yn anffodus, mae twnelau Bryn-glas wedi dod yn gyfystyr â thagfeydd. Nid yw'r mwyafrif helaeth o draffig yr M4 yn draffig lleol, ond ni chafodd y draffordd ei chynllunio i ysgwyddo pwysau economi genedlaethol fodern. Y darn hwn o ffordd yw'r prif borth i dde a gorllewin Cymru. Mae'n allweddol i'n diwydiannau, y rhai sefydledig a'r rhai newydd, ein porthladdoedd a'n twristiaeth, ond eto mae'n hollti dinas sy'n tyfu. Er bod tagfeydd ar y darn hwn o'r M4 yn rhwystro twf economaidd, pobl Casnewydd sy'n talu'r pris bob dydd drwy lygredd aer, sy'n lladdwr tawel. Mae Llafur Cymru wedi cyflwyno'r cynnig hwn heddiw am fod pobl Casnewydd a chymunedau cysylltiedig yng Nghwmbrân, Torfaen a Chaerffili wedi cael digon. Nid rhyw fath o arbrawf damcaniaethol yw'r cymunedau hyn, ac mae Llywodraeth Plaid Cymru yn chwarae gyda chynigion costus ac aneffeithiol a fydd yn achosi anhrefn ym mywydau pobl. Gadewch inni ystyried cynigion y Llywodraeth i gau cyffyrdd. Nid yw cau High Cross yn llwyr a'r slipffyrdd tua'r dwyrain ym Malpas a Chaerllion yn ateb cyflym. Mae adroddiad Llywodraeth Cymru ei hun yn dangos na fyddai ond yn mynd â hyd at 3 y cant o draffig oddi ar y draffordd. Ni all pawb weithio o gartref, a byddai cau cyffyrdd, boed dros dro neu'n barhaol, hefyd yn effeithio ar drafnidiaeth gyhoeddus, mynediad at ofal iechyd, gofal plant a phrisiau eiddo. Mae'n syfrdanol fod y Llywodraeth hyd yn oed yn ystyried hyn. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780775 355 En 2026-10-21T17:40:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=15002&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=15002&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 5038 5038 Jayne Bryant AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5038 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5038 Bryant, Jayne When I asked the Deputy Minister how the remaining junctions at Tredegar Park and the Coldra would cope with the displaced traffic, he had no answer, because it wouldn't cope; it would just funnel toxic air and gridlock into residential streets. That's why, Llywydd, we're asking that this Senedd charts a new course today. Welsh Labour believes that local people should be at the heart of this new Government's approach to the M4 around Newport. Successive Governments—the Conservatives before devolution, a Plaid Cymru Minister in 2009, and Welsh Labour Governments—have all failed to resolve this challenge. When the independent planning inspector examined the black route nearly a decade ago, he concluded there was a compelling case on economic and human grounds to build the relief road. This was a comprehensive and lengthy process that engaged with communities, including public hearings, and incorporated detailed plans to enhance and protect the environment. Major infrastructure done right can enhance, rather than destroy, our natural environment. Indeed, the wonderful and much-loved Newport wetlands nature reserve was established to compensate for habitat lost during the construction of the Cardiff Bay barrage. Many of us across the Labour movement have known for a long time how vital a relief road is, and that's why I could not vote to scrap it in this Chamber in 2019. Today, as a party, Welsh Labour is clear: while the decision to reject the inspector's recommendations may have been understandable on narrow financial grounds, it has left the issue unresolved. Innovative funding models should have been explored, like public-private partnerships, regional borrowing by local authorities supported by the Welsh Government, or land value capture, rather than rejecting it outright. Let's be clear: these decisions are difficult, and for too long the M4 has been put in the 'too difficult' box. The Plaid Cymru Welsh Government's recent report from Arup states, on page 3: 'None of the options or any combination of options considered as part of this review would fully resolve the M4 problem.' If the Government is serious about solving this issue, why on earth has the Government remained wedded to their belief that a new relief road is out of scope? It seems Plaid Cymru is perfectly content to build roads and bridges elsewhere in Wales, but not when it comes to solving the M4 around Newport. In addition to junction closures, the review identifies the options of widening the Brynglas tunnels, combined with the ineffective interventions on local roads, and the so-called blue route is back on the table, which would take traffic closer to communities like Liswerry, Ringland, Pill and Duffryn. The blue route might seem like an option for people who don't live in the area, but with thousands of homes built at Glan Llyn and Milton Park since the initial option was proposed, and thousands more being built, turning what's known as the SDR, the southern distributor road, into a quasi motorway is completely divorced from reality. Everyone knows locally how busy that road is. The option of widening the Brynglas tunnels cannot be regarded in a credible way. The report states that widening the tunnels is not expected to reduce traffic on the M4 as it involves online works and does not create an alternative route elsewhere. The two lanes start back before the tunnels, and whilst we want the traffic to flow better, it will not tackle the air pollution problem. And we must not forget what the disruption to local homes and businesses above and next to the motorway will be. Plaid Cymru's public transport plans are not new. They were in progress before this Government. The Burns train stations and better public transport are vital. Welsh Labour championed them, and we need them to be delivered. And while we're glad to see Magor and Undy and Cardiff parkway stations progress, these stations alone will not solve congestion at the Brynglas tunnels. We need to see the Plaid Cymru Government act with urgency to deliver the stations in Newport at Somerton, Liswerry and Tredegar Park. Public transport must be regular, reliable and affordable for people to use it. I say this as someone who's long campaigned for the Ebbw Vale to Newport line and commuters on that line still face unacceptable cancellations and overcrowding. Public transport and road infrastructure must meet the needs of a growing population, and Newport is the faster-growing city with the youngest population in Wales.  So, let's be clear: a new relief road would not be the old black route. Houses and schools have been built, people have moved to the area and the bar for environmental delivery has rightly risen following the roads review. What we need now is an appropriate, modern relief road that acts as a template for responsible infrastructure. Imagine a road built with the lowest possible embedded carbon and strong site of special scientific interest protections. The way forward should not be shaped by Ministers lecturing, but by people affected in and around Newport. Welsh Labour believes we should empower those local leaders across councils and the south-east Wales capital region, building on the collaborative Burns model, to develop an appropriate relief road and a creative multisource funding package supported by Welsh Government. Contrary to what we've seen so far, the Government must remember that the people of Newport and south-east Wales aren't just data points in a transport policy document, they're individuals, families and businesses. So, I urge the Senedd to back our motion today. Diolch. Pan ofynnais i'r Dirprwy Weinidog sut y byddai'r cyffyrdd eraill ym Mharc Tredegar a'r Coldra yn ymdopi â'r traffig wedi'i ddadleoli, nid oedd ganddo ateb, gan na fyddai'n ymdopi; byddai'n sianelu aer gwenwynig a thagfeydd i mewn i strydoedd preswyl. Dyna pam, Lywydd, ein bod yn gofyn i'r Senedd hon gynllunio trywydd newydd heddiw. Mae Llafur Cymru yn credu y dylai pobl leol fod wrth wraidd dull y Llywodraeth newydd hon o ddelio â'r M4 o amgylch Casnewydd. Mae Llywodraethau olynol—y Ceidwadwyr cyn datganoli, Gweinidog Plaid Cymru yn 2009, a Llywodraethau Llafur Cymru—oll wedi methu datrys yr her hon. Pan archwiliodd yr arolygydd cynllunio annibynnol y llwybr du bron i ddegawd yn ôl, daeth i'r casgliad fod achos cryf ar sail economaidd a dynol dros adeiladu'r ffordd liniaru. Roedd hon yn broses gynhwysfawr a hir a fu'n ymgysylltu â chymunedau, gan gynnwys gwrandawiadau cyhoeddus, ac roedd yn cynnwys cynlluniau manwl i wella a diogelu'r amgylchedd. Gall seilwaith mawr wedi'i gyflwyno'n iawn wella, yn hytrach na dinistrio, ein hamgylchedd naturiol. Yn wir, sefydlwyd gwarchodfa natur hyfryd a phoblogaidd gwlyptiroedd Casnewydd i wneud iawn am gynefinoedd a gollwyd yn ystod y gwaith o adeiladu morglawdd Bae Caerdydd. Mae llawer ohonom ar draws y mudiad Llafur wedi gwybod ers amser maith pa mor hanfodol yw ffordd liniaru, a dyna pam na allwn bleidleisio dros roi'r gorau i'w datblygu yn y Siambr hon yn 2019. Heddiw, fel plaid, mae Llafur Cymru yn glir: er y gallai'r penderfyniad i wrthod argymhellion yr arolygydd fod wedi bod yn ddealladwy ar sail ariannol gul, mae wedi gadael y mater heb ei ddatrys. Dylid bod wedi archwilio modelau ariannu arloesol, fel partneriaethau cyhoeddus-preifat, benthyca rhanbarthol gan awdurdodau lleol wedi'i gefnogi gan Lywodraeth Cymru, neu gipio gwerth tir, yn hytrach na'i wrthod yn llwyr. Gadewch inni fod yn glir: mae'r penderfyniadau hyn yn anodd, ac ers gormod o amser, mae'r M4 wedi cael ei rhoi yn y blwch 'rhy anodd'. Mae adroddiad diweddar Llywodraeth Plaid Cymru gan Arup yn datgan, ar dudalen 3: 'Ni fyddai'r un o'r opsiynau nac unrhyw gyfuniad o opsiynau a ystyriwyd fel rhan o'r adolygiad hwn yn datrys problem yr M4 yn llawn.' Os yw'r Llywodraeth o ddifrif ynglŷn â datrys y mater hwn, pam ar y ddaear y mae'r Llywodraeth wedi glynu wrth eu cred fod ffordd liniaru newydd yn amhosibl? Ymddengys bod Plaid Cymru yn berffaith fodlon adeiladu ffyrdd a phontydd mewn mannau eraill yng Nghymru, ond nid pan ddaw'n fater o ddatrys yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd. Yn ogystal â chau cyffyrdd, mae'r adolygiad yn nodi'r opsiynau ar gyfer lledu twnelau Bryn-glas, ynghyd â'r ymyriadau aneffeithiol ar ffyrdd lleol, ac mae'r hyn a elwir yn llwybr glas yn ôl ar y bwrdd, a fyddai'n mynd â thraffig yn agosach at gymunedau fel Llyswyry, Ringland, Pilgwenlli a Dyffryn. Efallai y gallai'r llwybr glas swnio fel opsiwn da i bobl nad ydynt yn byw yn yr ardal, ond gyda miloedd o gartrefi wedi'u hadeiladu yng Nglan Llyn a Pharc Milton ers i'r opsiwn cychwynnol gael ei gynnig, a miloedd yn rhagor yn cael eu hadeiladu, mae troi'r hyn a elwir yn ffordd ddosbarthu ddeheuol yn lled-draffordd yn gwbl ynfyd. Mae pawb lleol yn gwybod pa mor brysur yw'r ffordd honno. Ni ellir ystyried yr opsiwn i ledu twnelau Bryn-glas mewn ffordd gredadwy. Mae'r adroddiad yn nodi nad oes disgwyl i'r gwaith o ledu'r twnelau leihau traffig ar yr M4 gan ei fod yn cynnwys gwaith ar ffordd weithredol eisoes ac nid yw'n creu llwybr amgen yn rhywle arall. Mae'r ddwy lôn yn dechrau cyn y twnelau, ac er ein bod am i'r traffig lifo'n well, ni fydd yn mynd i'r afael â phroblem llygredd aer. A rhaid inni beidio ag anghofio'r tarfu ar gartrefi a busnesau lleol uwchlaw ac wrth ymyl y draffordd. Nid yw cynlluniau trafnidiaeth gyhoeddus Plaid Cymru yn newydd. Roeddent ar y gweill cyn y Llywodraeth hon. Mae gorsafoedd trên Burns a gwell trafnidiaeth gyhoeddus yn hanfodol. Fe'u cefnogwyd gan Lafur Cymru, ac mae angen iddynt gael eu darparu. Ac er ein bod yn falch o weld cynnydd ar orsafoedd Magwyr a Gwndy a pharcffordd Caerdydd, ni fydd y gorsafoedd hyn ar eu pen eu hunain yn datrys tagfeydd yn nhwnelau Bryn-glas. Mae angen inni weld Llywodraeth Plaid Cymru yn gweithredu ar frys i ddarparu'r gorsafoedd yng Nghasnewydd yn Somerton, Llyswyry a Pharc Tredegar. Rhaid i drafnidiaeth gyhoeddus fod yn rheolaidd, yn ddibynadwy ac yn fforddiadwy i bobl ei defnyddio. Rwy'n dweud hyn fel rhywun sydd wedi ymgyrchu ers amser maith dros y rheilffordd o Lynebwy i Gasnewydd ac mae cymudwyr ar y rheilffordd honno'n dal i wynebu trenau gorlawn a chanslo annerbyniol. Rhaid i drafnidiaeth gyhoeddus a seilwaith ffyrdd ddiwallu anghenion poblogaeth sy'n tyfu, a Chasnewydd yw'r ddinas sy'n tyfu gyflymaf ac sydd â'r boblogaeth ieuengaf yng Nghymru. Felly, gadewch inni fod yn glir: ni fyddai ffordd liniaru newydd yn dilyn yr hen lwybr du. Mae tai ac ysgolion wedi'u hadeiladu, mae pobl wedi symud i'r ardal ac mae'r safonau amgylcheddol ar gyfer cyflawni wedi codi, yn gwbl briodol, yn dilyn yr adolygiad ffyrdd. Yr hyn sydd ei angen arnom nawr yw ffordd liniaru fodern, addas sy'n gweithredu fel templed ar gyfer seilwaith cyfrifol. Dychmygwch ffordd wedi'i hadeiladu gyda chyn lleied â phosibl o garbon corfforedig ac amddiffyniadau cryf ar gyfer safleoedd o ddiddordeb gwyddonol arbennig. Ni ddylai'r ffordd ymlaen gael ei llunio gan Weinidogion yn pregethu, ond gan bobl yr effeithir arnynt yng Nghasnewydd a'r cyffiniau. Mae Llafur Cymru'n credu y dylem rymuso'r arweinwyr lleol hynny ar draws cynghorau a phrifddinas-ranbarth de-ddwyrain Cymru, gan adeiladu ar fodel cydweithredol Burns, i ddatblygu ffordd liniaru briodol a phecyn ariannu amlffynhonnell creadigol a gefnogir gan Lywodraeth Cymru. Yn groes i'r hyn a welsom hyd yma, rhaid i'r Llywodraeth gofio nad pwyntiau data mewn dogfen polisi trafnidiaeth yw pobl Casnewydd a de-ddwyrain Cymru, ond unigolion, teuluoedd a busnesau. Felly, rwy'n annog y Senedd i gefnogi ein cynnig heddiw. Diolch. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780778 356 En 2026-10-21T17:45:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=15302&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=15302&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780788 357 Cy 2026-10-21T00:00:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=-48598&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=-48598&l=en 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780789 358 Cy 2026-10-21T00:00:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=-48598&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=-48598&l=en 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780790 359 Cy 2026-10-21T00:00:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=-48598&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=-48598&l=en 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780785 360 Cy 2026-10-21T17:46:58 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=15420&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=15420&l=en 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Rwyf wedi dethol y gwelliant i'r cynnig. Galwaf ar y Dirprwy Weinidog dros Drafnidiaeth i gynnig yn ffurfiol welliant 1 a gyflwynwyd yn enw Heledd Fychan. I have selected the amendments to the motion. I call on the Deputy Minister for Transport to move formally amendment 1, tabled in the name of Heledd Fychan. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780791 361 Cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport I Gwelliant 1—Heledd Fychan Dileu popeth a rhoi yn ei le: Cynnig bod y Senedd: 1. Yn gresynu at fethiant Llywodraeth flaenorol Cymru i fynd i’r afael â phroblem hirdymor tagfeydd a gwydnwch gwael ar yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd, sy’n parhau i effeithio ar gymunedau, busnesau a gweithgarwch economaidd ar draws de-ddwyrain Cymru. 2. Yn nodi mai penderfyniad Llywodraeth flaenorol Cymru oedd gwaredu cynllun ffordd liniaru’r M4, ac felly nid yw’r llwybr arfaethedig bellach yn hyfyw. 3. Yn croesawu penderfyniad Llywodraeth Cymru fod yn rhaid i welliannau i ffyrdd a pheirianneg fod yn rhan o’r ymateb hirdymor i dagfeydd ar yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd a’i hymrwymiad i bennu datrysiad ymarferol a ffefrir. 4. Yn nodi’r rhaglen o fesurau i’w cyflwyno ar unwaith ac yn y tymor canolig a gyhoeddwyd gan Lywodraeth Cymru, gan gynnwys buddsoddi yn y draffordd bresennol, gwelliannau i wydnwch y rhwydwaith, cymorth ar gyfer cysylltedd trenau a bysiau a mesurau i hwyluso cludo nwyddau. 5. Yn cefnogi dull Llywodraeth Cymru o weithredu yn awr i wella dibynadwyedd a chysylltedd tra bo datrysiad hirdymor yn cael ei ddatblygu. 6. Yn croesawu ymrwymiad Llywodraeth Cymru i barhau i ymgysylltu â phobl, busnesau a chymunedau yng Nghasnewydd a’r cyffiniau wrth i ddatrysiadau gael eu datblygu a’u gweithredu. Amendment 1—Heledd Fychan Delete all and replace with: To propose that the Senedd: 1. Regrets previous Welsh Governments’ failure to tackle the long-standing issue of congestion and poor resilience on the M4 around Newport, which continues to affect communities, businesses and economic activity across south-east Wales. 2. Notes that the decision to scrap the M4 relief road was taken by a previous Welsh Government, and that the proposed route is therefore no longer viable. 3. Welcomes the Welsh Government’s decision that road and engineering improvements must form part of the long-term response to congestion on the M4 around Newport and its commitment to identify a preferred, deliverable solution. 4. Notes the programme of immediate and medium-term measures announced by the Welsh Government, including investment in the existing motorway, improvements to network resilience, support for rail and bus connectivity, and measures to improve freight movement. 5. Supports the Welsh Government’s approach of taking action now to improve reliability and connectivity while developing the long-term solution. 6. Welcomes the Welsh Government’s commitment to sustained engagement with people, businesses and communities in and around Newport as solutions are developed and implemented. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780792 362 Cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport I Cynigiwyd gwelliant 1. Amendment 1 moved. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780793 363 En 2026-10-21T17:47:09 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=15431&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=15431&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 4822 4822 Mark Hooper AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4822 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4822 Deputy Minister for Transport Y Dirprwy Weinidog Trafnidiaeth Hooper, Mark Formally. Yn ffurfiol. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780794 364 Cy 2026-10-21T17:47:10 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=15432&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=15432&l=en 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Diolch yn fawr iawn. Lyn Ackerman. Thank you very much. Lyn Ackerman. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780795 365 En 2026-10-21T17:47:15 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=15437&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=15437&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 4967 4967 Lyn Ackerman AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4967 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4967 Ackerman, Lyn Diolch, Lywydd. This is the first time I rise in this Chamber having to admit that I'm in awe of the Labour Party—for the barefaced cheek it takes to bring this motion to the floor of the Senedd, having cancelled the previous scheme in 2019. Let us not forget that, in Government, they spent £135 million not to build the very thing they are now demanding of Plaid Cymru today. Public money spent on a road that they cancelled, and I note that the leader of the Labour group was the transport Minister at the time. Labour cannot expect people to forget simply because they are now sitting on the opposition benches. Indeed, the public have not forgotten. For all of their online sham protests, I would suggest they read the comments from the public on their social media accounts. Burnham's branch office is entitled to argue for a different road, but it owes the people who paid for the last scheme an explanation of what it would do differently this time. Its motion gives us no way of knowing which road it means or how it would be funded. Labour needs to explain what its motion would add to the work Ministers have already announced. The Government has already accepted that road and engineering improvements are needed around Newport. It has announced an 18-month study to select a third— Diolch, Lywydd. Dyma'r tro cyntaf imi godi yn y Siambr hon i orfod cyfaddef fy mod yn edmygu'r Blaid Lafur—oherwydd yr ehofndra llwyr sydd ei angen i ddod â'r cynnig hwn i lawr y Senedd, ar ôl canslo'r cynllun blaenorol yn 2019. Gadewch inni beidio ag anghofio, yn y Llywodraeth, eu bod wedi gwario £135 miliwn i beidio ag adeiladu'r union beth y maent yn ei fynnu gan Blaid Cymru heddiw. Arian cyhoeddus wedi'i wario ar ffordd a ganslwyd ganddynt, ac rwy'n nodi mai arweinydd y grŵp Llafur oedd y Gweinidog trafnidiaeth ar y pryd. Ni all Llafur ddisgwyl i bobl anghofio am eu bod bellach yn eistedd ar feinciau'r wrthblaid. Yn wir, nid yw'r cyhoedd wedi anghofio. Er gwaethaf eu holl brotestiadau ffug ar-lein, buaswn yn awgrymu y dylent ddarllen y sylwadau gan y cyhoedd ar eu cyfrifon cyfryngau cymdeithasol. Mae hawl gan swyddfa gangen Burnham i ddadlau dros ffordd wahanol, ond mae arni esboniad i'r bobl a dalodd am y cynllun diwethaf ynghylch yr hyn y byddai'n ei wneud yn wahanol y tro hwn. Nid yw ei chynnig yn rhoi unrhyw ffordd inni wybod pa ffordd y mae'n ei golygu na sut y byddai'n cael ei hariannu. Mae angen i Lafur esbonio beth y byddai eu cynnig yn ei ychwanegu at y gwaith y mae Gweinidogion eisoes wedi'i gyhoeddi. Mae'r Llywodraeth eisoes wedi derbyn bod angen gwelliannau ffyrdd a pheirianneg o amgylch Casnewydd. Mae wedi cyhoeddi astudiaeth 18 mis i ddewis trydydd— 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780845 366 En 2026-10-21T17:48:55 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=15537&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=15537&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 267 267 Ken Skates AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=267 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=267 Skates, Ken Another review.  Adolygiad arall. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780846 367 En 2026-10-21T17:48:56 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=15538&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=15538&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 4967 4967 Lyn Ackerman AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4967 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4967 Ackerman, Lyn —road option alongside improvements to the existing motorway and public transport. The study needs to lead to a decision that Ministers can fund and carry through. I also expect progress on the existing network while this work takes place. People should be able to see what is being delivered within those 18 months and when they can expect to improve their journeys. For people in Casnewydd Islwyn, the roads that lead to the M4 matter as much as the motorway itself. Changes at the Newport junction could affect journeys from the Valleys and put more traffic through residential areas. The Arup review warns that traffic could be displaced around Malpas, High Cross and Ridgeway, which affects noise and air quality. A proposal could therefore improve the flow of traffic on the motorway while making some local journeys worse. We need to know where that traffic would go and what the consequences would be for the people living around those routes. The Government has said that no decision to implement junction closures has been taken. It is committed to further traffic modelling before any decisions are made. I support the decision and look forward to seeing the updated data before the Government makes any final decision. Based on the evidence, I am supporting the amendment and urge Members to do the same. The electorate expect us to act in this Chamber on their behalf, and not descend into pantomime politics by pretending that the easy solution exists to solve complex problems. This is how we end up here in the first place. —opsiwn ffordd ochr yn ochr â gwelliannau i drafnidiaeth gyhoeddus a'r draffordd bresennol. Mae angen i'r astudiaeth arwain at benderfyniad y gall Gweinidogion ei ariannu a'i gyflawni. Rwyf hefyd yn disgwyl cynnydd ar y rhwydwaith presennol tra bo'r gwaith hwn yn mynd rhagddo. Dylai pobl allu gweld beth sy'n cael ei gyflawni o fewn y 18 mis a phryd y gallant ddisgwyl gwella eu teithiau. I bobl yng Nghasnewydd Islwyn, mae'r ffyrdd sy'n arwain at yr M4 yr un mor bwysig â'r draffordd ei hun. Gallai newidiadau wrth gyffordd Casnewydd effeithio ar deithiau o'r Cymoedd a chyfeirio mwy o draffig drwy ardaloedd preswyl. Mae adolygiad Arup yn rhybuddio y gallai traffig gael ei ddadleoli o amgylch Malpas, High Cross a Ridgeway, sy'n effeithio ar sŵn ac ansawdd aer. Felly, gallai cynnig wella llif traffig ar y draffordd gan waethygu rhai teithiau lleol. Mae angen inni wybod i ble fyddai'r traffig hwnnw'n mynd a beth fyddai'r canlyniadau i'r bobl sy'n byw o amgylch y llwybrau hynny. Mae'r Llywodraeth wedi dweud nad oes unrhyw benderfyniad wedi'i wneud i gau cyffyrdd. Mae wedi ymrwymo i ragor o fodelu traffig cyn gwneud unrhyw benderfyniadau. Rwy'n cefnogi'r penderfyniad ac yn edrych ymlaen at weld y data wedi'i ddiweddaru cyn i'r Llywodraeth wneud unrhyw benderfyniad terfynol. Yn seiliedig ar y dystiolaeth, rwy'n cefnogi'r gwelliant ac yn annog yr Aelodau i wneud yr un peth. Mae'r etholwyr yn disgwyl inni weithredu yn y Siambr hon ar eu rhan, a pheidio ag ymostwng i wleidyddiaeth pantomeim drwy esgus bod ateb hawdd yn bodoli i ddatrys problemau cymhleth. Dyma sut y gwnaethom gyrraedd y fan hon yn y lle cyntaf. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780779 368 En 2026-10-21T17:50:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=15602&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=15602&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780782 369 En 2026-10-21T17:50:52 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=15654&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=15654&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 12158 12158 Jason O'Connell AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12158 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12158 O'Connell, Jason Oh, have I waited for this one. [Laughter.] Now, we, Reform, will of course support the motion today. It's pretty clear, though, that it's an obvious attempt to cut the strings of Labour's puppet master, Mark Drakeford. Now, we welcome the decision and we congratulate Welsh Labour on taking 27 years to come to the same conclusion that it took us exactly one minute to make. And that one minute was 59 seconds too long, in my opinion. Now, every day, tens of thousands of motorists sit in queues on the M4. Businesses lose money, workers lose time and families spend more of their lives sitting in traffic than sitting at home with loved ones. And after literally decades of promises, what have they been given? More congestion, more excuses and absolutely no solution. The very politicians responsible for this failure are trying to convince the people of Wales that they have the answer. Let's start with Labour. Twenty-seven years in Government. Twenty-seven years to deliver a solution to the most important transport problem in recent Welsh history. One hundred and fifty million pounds of taxpayers' money spent on plans, consultations and reviews. And what did the people of Wales receive for that substantial investment? Nothing. Perhaps a few sheets of paper. Mark Drakeford cancelled the M4 relief road, abandoning a project that would have made a real difference. And who was the Government Minister at the time? A gentleman called Ken Skates. [Interruption.] Good timing, sir. O, rwyf wedi bod yn aros am hyn. [Chwerthin.] Nawr, fe fyddwn ni, Reform, yn cefnogi'r cynnig heddiw wrth gwrs. Mae'n eithaf clir, serch hynny, ei fod yn ymgais amlwg i dorri llinynnau meistr pypedau Llafur, Mark Drakeford. Nawr, rydym yn croesawu'r penderfyniad ac rydym yn llongyfarch Llafur Cymru ar gymryd 27 mlynedd i ddod i'r un casgliad ag a wnaethom ni mewn un funud. Ac roedd yr un funud honno 59 eiliad yn rhy hir, yn fy marn i. Nawr, bob dydd, mae degau o filoedd o fodurwyr yn eistedd mewn ciwiau ar yr M4. Mae busnesau'n colli arian, mae gweithwyr yn colli amser ac mae teuluoedd yn treulio mwy o'u bywydau yn eistedd mewn traffig nag yn eistedd gartref gyda'u hanwyliaid. Ac ar ôl degawdau'n llythrennol o addewidion, beth y maent wedi'i gael? Mwy o dagfeydd, mwy o esgusodion a dim ateb o gwbl. Mae'r union wleidyddion sy'n gyfrifol am y methiant hwn yn ceisio argyhoeddi pobl Cymru fod ganddynt yr ateb. Gadewch inni ddechrau gyda Llafur. Saith mlynedd ar hugain mewn Llywodraeth. Saith mlynedd ar hugain i ddarparu ateb i'r broblem drafnidiaeth bwysicaf yn hanes diweddar Cymru. Cant a hanner o filiynau o bunnoedd o arian trethdalwyr wedi'i wario ar gynlluniau, ymgynghoriadau ac adolygiadau. A beth a gafodd pobl Cymru am y buddsoddiad sylweddol hwnnw? Dim byd. Ychydig dudalennau o bapur efallai. Canslodd Mark Drakeford ffordd liniaru'r M4, gan gefnu ar brosiect a fyddai wedi gwneud gwahaniaeth gwirioneddol. A phwy oedd Gweinidog y Llywodraeth ar y pryd? Gŵr bonheddig o'r enw Ken Skates. [Torri ar draws.] Amseru da, syr. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780796 370 En 2026-10-21T17:52:32 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=15754&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=15754&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 267 267 Ken Skates AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=267 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=267 Skates, Ken It was me. It was actually the case that the entire project was in my name. I was the sponsor Minister taking it through the public inquiry that ruled, in the inspector's view, that it should go ahead. The decision was made on financial grounds and for the right reason. But I don't know whether you can see me through the script in your glasses, but can you just tell me whether your party still favours making motorists pay twice through taxes and then through tolls? Fi ydoedd. Mewn gwirionedd, roedd y prosiect cyfan yn fy enw i. Fi oedd y Gweinidog a'i noddodd ac a aeth ag ef drwy'r ymchwiliad cyhoeddus a ddyfarnodd, ym marn yr arolygydd, y dylai fynd yn ei flaen. Gwnaed y penderfyniad ar sail ariannol ac am y rheswm cywir. Ond nid wyf yn gwybod a allwch chi fy ngweld drwy'r sgript ar eich sbectol, ond a allwch chi ddweud wrthyf p'un a yw eich plaid chi'n dal i ffafrio gwneud i fodurwyr dalu ddwywaith drwy drethi ac yna drwy dollau? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780800 371 En 2026-10-21T17:52:59 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=15781&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=15781&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 12158 12158 Jason O'Connell AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12158 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12158 O'Connell, Jason Well, good news, Ken: I can see straight through you, so no problem there. [Laughter.] Wel, newyddion da, Ken: gallaf weld yn syth drwoch chi, felly dim problem yno. [Chwerthin.] 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780802 372 En 2026-10-21T17:53:06 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=15788&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=15788&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 267 267 Ken Skates AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=267 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=267 Skates, Ken You've been practising that one, haven't you?  Rydych chi wedi bod yn ymarfer yr ateb hwnnw, onid ydych? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780848 373 En 2026-10-21T17:53:08 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=15790&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=15790&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 12158 12158 Jason O'Connell AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12158 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12158 O'Connell, Jason Didn't know it was coming. Nid oeddwn yn gwybod ei fod yn dod. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780847 374 En 2026-10-21T17:53:09 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=15791&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=15791&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 267 267 Ken Skates AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=267 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=267 Skates, Ken You've rehearsed that. Rydych chi wedi bod yn ei ymarfer. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780804 375 En 2026-10-21T17:53:10 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=15792&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=15792&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 12158 12158 Jason O'Connell AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12158 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12158 O'Connell, Jason Didn't know it was coming. Nid oeddwn yn gwybod ei fod yn dod. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780812 376 En 2026-10-21T17:53:11 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=15793&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=15793&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 267 267 Ken Skates AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=267 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=267 Skates, Ken Was that in a mirror or in your glasses? [Laughter.] A oedd hynny yn y drych neu yn eich sbectol? [Chwerthin.] 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780813 377 En 2026-10-21T17:53:12 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=15794&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=15794&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 12158 12158 Jason O'Connell AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12158 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12158 O'Connell, Jason Not at all. Reform has been very clear: we will build the M4 relief road. So, that's our position. That's the one we're currently going down, and it will not be a toll road. It will be paid for out of the sovereign wealth fund from the UK Government. Thank you very much. But continuing, did you stand up and challenge the decision? No. Did you stand up and fight for businesses, commuters and families who desperately need that road? No. You defended the very Government that cancelled it. Now Labour wants to lecture this Chamber about the importance of building a relief road. It is quite funny. The same party that killed the project want to take credit for bringing it back to life. So, here's my question to Labour: if the M4 relief road is so desperately needed today, why didn't you build it when you were in power? The truth is, Labour hasn't changed. They've discovered the political consequences of ignoring it. And now, frightened of losing even more support to Reform UK, they're desperately trying to distance themselves from the anti-motorist legacy of Mark Drakeford and Lee Waters. But the people of Wales won't forget, and neither will we. So, let me now turn to Plaid Cymru, a party that promised change but are determined to continue the same failed approach. The black route has apparently been ruled out. But good news, stranded motorists, we've been offered more studies, more assessments and even more delays, and astonishingly, proposals to close motorway junctions and divert traffic onto local roads in Newport and the surrounding towns. Now, think about that for a moment. Their answer to congestion on the M4 is to move that congestion into the communities of Newport. How on earth is that supposed to improve the lives of the people we represent? Now, thanks to resurfaced tweets, we have greater clarity on the mind behind the junction closures. In 2019, the Minister stated he wanted to discourage car use on the M4 because of the climate emergency, and even went so far as to seriously suggest that the way to solve the M4 issue was that workers in Wales, in the public sector, should work a day fewer a week. Now, they call us climate conspiracy theorists, of course, yet they're the ones blocking the relief road as part of their net-zero agenda. That is their design: punish motorists and push them onto public transport. And if you don't believe me, just take a look at the transport Minister's own words for it.  Today is about setting the record straight. Labour had the opportunity to build the road and cancelled it. Plaid Cymru had the opportunity to deliver a solution and is ruling out the very project that would provide one. Now, one party cancelled it, the other refuses to build it, but we all know it was the constant pressure of Reform, our historic election result and our grass-roots campaign that has got us here today. The people of Wales already know how they're going to get this M4 road delivered, and that is with a Reform UK Government. Ddim o gwbl. Mae Reform wedi dweud yn glir iawn: byddwn yn adeiladu ffordd liniaru'r M4. Felly, dyna ein safbwynt ni. Dyna rydym yn ei drafod ar hyn o bryd, ac ni fydd yn dollffordd. Bydd cronfa gyfoeth sofran Llywodraeth y DU yn talu amdani. Diolch yn fawr iawn. Ond i barhau, a wnaethoch chi sefyll i herio'r penderfyniad? Na. A wnaethoch chi sefyll ac ymladd dros fusnesau, cymudwyr a theuluoedd y mae taer angen y ffordd honno arnynt? Na. Fe wnaethoch chi amddiffyn yr union Lywodraeth a'i canslodd. Nawr, mae Llafur eisiau pregethu wrth y Siambr hon am bwysigrwydd adeiladu ffordd liniaru. Mae'n eithaf doniol. Mae'r un blaid a laddodd y prosiect eisiau cymryd y clod am ei atgyfodi. Felly, dyma fy nghwestiwn i Lafur: os oes cymaint o angen ffordd liniaru'r M4 heddiw, pam na wnaethoch chi ei hadeiladu pan oeddech chi mewn grym? Y gwir amdani yw nad yw Llafur wedi newid. Maent wedi darganfod canlyniadau gwleidyddol ei anwybyddu. A nawr, a hwythau'n ofni colli hyd yn oed mwy o gefnogaeth i Reform UK, maent yn ceisio ymbellhau oddi wrth waddol gwrth-fodurwyr Mark Drakeford a Lee Waters. Ond ni fydd pobl Cymru yn anghofio, ac ni fyddwn ninnau chwaith. Felly, gadewch imi droi nawr at Blaid Cymru, plaid a addawodd newid ond sy'n benderfynol o barhau â'r un dull aflwyddiannus o weithredu. Ymddengys bod y llwybr du wedi'i ddiystyru. Ond newyddion da, fodurwyr diobaith, rydym wedi cael cynnig mwy o astudiaethau, mwy o asesiadau a hyd yn oed mwy o oedi, ac yn rhyfeddol, cynigion i gau cyffyrdd traffyrdd a dargyfeirio traffig i ffyrdd lleol yng Nghasnewydd a'r trefi cyfagos. Nawr, meddyliwch am hynny am eiliad. Eu hateb i dagfeydd ar yr M4 yw symud y tagfeydd hynny i mewn i gymunedau Casnewydd. Sut ar y ddaear y mae hynny i fod i wella bywydau'r bobl a gynrychiolwn? Nawr, diolch i drydariadau sydd wedi dod yn ôl i'r wyneb, mae gennym fwy o eglurder ynghylch y rhesymeg sy'n sail i gau'r cyffyrdd. Yn 2019, dywedodd y Gweinidog ei fod am annog pobl i beidio â defnyddio ceir ar yr M4 oherwydd yr argyfwng hinsawdd, ac aeth mor bell ag awgrymu o ddifrif mai'r ffordd i ddatrys problem yr M4 oedd y dylai gweithwyr yng Nghymru, yn y sector cyhoeddus, weithio diwrnod yn llai yr wythnos. Nawr, maent yn ein galw ni'n ddamcaniaethwyr cynllwyn mewn perthynas â'r hinsawdd, ond nhw sy'n rhwystro'r ffordd liniaru fel rhan o'u hagenda sero net. Dyna yw eu cynllun: cosbi modurwyr a'u gwthio ar drafnidiaeth gyhoeddus. Ac os nad ydych chi'n fy nghredu, edrychwch ar eiriau'r Gweinidog trafnidiaeth ei hun ar hyn. Mae a wnelo heddiw ag unioni'r sefyllfa. Cafodd Llafur gyfle i adeiladu'r ffordd, ac fe wnaethant ei chanslo. Cafodd Plaid Cymru gyfle i gyflwyno ateb, ac maent yn diystyru'r union brosiect a fyddai'n darparu un. Nawr, mae un blaid wedi canslo'r ffordd, mae'r llall yn gwrthod ei hadeiladu, ond gŵyr pob un ohonom mai pwysau cyson Reform, canlyniad ein hetholiad hanesyddol a'n hymgyrch lawr gwlad sydd wedi dod â ni yma heddiw. Mae pobl Cymru eisoes yn gwybod sut y cânt y ffordd M4 hon wedi'i chyflawni—drwy Lywodraeth Reform UK. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780786 378 En 2026-10-21T17:55:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=15902&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=15902&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780797 379 En 2026-10-21T17:56:21 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=15983&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=15983&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 5107 5107 Vikki Howells AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5107 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5107 Howells, Vikki I'm delighted to support this Labour motion today. The gridlock of traffic congestion on the M4 around Newport has been a national embarrassment for over 30 years. The consequences of all Senedd parties being unable to agree a way forward for the M4 around Newport is ever-rising levels of congestion and pollution in Newport, and the connected Valleys communities north of the M4 in Torfaen and Caerphilly. The Confederation of British Industry and local businesses have been advising for years that the gridlock on the M4 is a brake on economic growth and prosperity for communities along the whole of the M4 corridor in south Wales. One of the key lessons that this Welsh Labour group takes from its losses in the Senedd elections in May is that we must do more for people today. This is why we must speak out against what Plaid Cymru is proposing to visit on the people of Newport and the south-east Wales Valleys through its proposals on the M4 around Newport review. Every party in this Chamber will, of course, be keen to support the public transport proposals developed under the last Labour Government for more rail services on the south Wales main line, and this will eventually offer many commuters a rail-based public transport option. And bus and active travel solutions also have a role to play. But the problem is that these public transport interventions will only take 7 per cent of traffic off the M4 on completion, and that's after six to seven years of construction. This is less than a third of the 25 per cent or more of traffic that needs to be diverted from the M4 around Newport. The last Welsh Labour Government commissioned a series of major road studies in readiness for a new Government, looking at the M4 and also the A55 and the A494 corridors in particular. This work under Labour enabled the Minister to make his announcements on the Menai bridge and the M4 in recent weeks. The most effective intervention for the M4 would be a relief road. It would meet the key criteria of reducing congestion and thereby pollution made worse by stationary and crawl-speed traffic, and improve resilience, providing an alternative route to the M4 in case of accidents. The other options seemingly championed by the Minister are not fit for purpose. For a 3 per cent reduction in traffic on the M4, junction closures will cause congestion mayhem, pollution and economic harm in and around Newport. Widening the Brynglas tunnels is a surprising option, dismissed by all previous reviews. The A48 and blue route are not credible either. They would destroy health and wealth in Newport, and the proposals will face great challenges from new housing and the urban context. Looking at this Welsh Government's half-baked review options, it would need to implement a combination of these that it sets out, and the cost of these combinations would exceed £3 billion, and take nearly 30 years as the works on them cannot be done concurrently. All this in the context of a Government with an annual borrowing limit of £165 million, and a total borrowing cap of £1.1 billion. The Welsh Government cannot deliver an M4 solution on its own. It will need partners prepared to pool financial resources, subject to fit-for-purpose options being agreed. It's time to get real. The proposed junction closures must be ruled out for the benefit of the people of Newport. The only option that delivers reduced congestion, better environmental outcomes by keeping traffic moving and releasing the chokehold of the M4 on the economy is a relief road. We need local leaders empowered to lead the planning of a new relief road for the M4—a partnership of the Welsh Government and local authorities able to consider innovative funding and fully grounded in engagement with the community. Diolch, Lywydd.  Rwy'n falch iawn o gefnogi'r cynnig Llafur hwn heddiw. Mae'r tagfeydd traffig ar yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd wedi bod yn embaras cenedlaethol ers dros 30 mlynedd. Canlyniad methiant holl bleidiau'r Senedd i gytuno ar ffordd ymlaen ar gyfer yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd yw lefelau cynyddol o dagfeydd a llygredd yng Nghasnewydd, a chymunedau cysylltiedig y Cymoedd i'r gogledd o'r M4 yn Nhorfaen a Chaerffili. Mae Cydffederasiwn Diwydiant Prydain a busnesau lleol wedi bod yn cynghori ers blynyddoedd fod y tagfeydd traffig ar yr M4 yn rhwystr i dwf economaidd a ffyniant cymunedau ar hyd coridor cyfan yr M4 yn ne Cymru. Un o'r gwersi allweddol y mae grŵp Llafur Cymru wedi eu dysgu o'i golledion yn etholiadau'r Senedd ym mis Mai yw bod yn rhaid inni wneud mwy dros bobl heddiw. Dyma pam y mae'n rhaid inni siarad yn erbyn yr hyn y mae Plaid Cymru yn bwriadu ei wneud i bobl Casnewydd a Chymoedd de-ddwyrain Cymru drwy ei chynigion ar yr adolygiad o'r M4 o amgylch Casnewydd. Bydd pob plaid yn y Siambr hon, wrth gwrs, yn awyddus i gefnogi'r cynigion trafnidiaeth gyhoeddus a ddatblygwyd o dan y Llywodraeth Lafur ddiwethaf ar gyfer mwy o wasanaethau rheilffordd ar brif linell de Cymru, a bydd hyn yn y pen draw yn cynnig trên fel opsiwn trafnidiaeth gyhoeddus i lawer o gymudwyr. Ac mae gan fysiau ac atebion teithio llesol ran i'w chwarae hefyd. Ond y broblem yw mai dim ond 7 y cant o draffig y bydd yr ymyriadau trafnidiaeth gyhoeddus hyn yn ei dynnu oddi ar yr M4 ar ôl eu cwblhau, a hynny ar ôl chwech i saith mlynedd o adeiladu. Mae hyn yn llai na thraean o'r 25 y cant neu fwy o draffig y mae angen ei ddargyfeirio oddi ar yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd. Comisiynodd Llywodraeth Lafur ddiwethaf Cymru gyfres o astudiaethau ffyrdd mawr i baratoi ar gyfer Llywodraeth newydd, gan edrych ar yr M4 yn ogystal â choridorau’r A55 a’r A494 yn benodol. Y gwaith hwn o dan Lafur a alluogodd y Gweinidog i wneud ei gyhoeddiadau ar bont Menai a’r M4 yn yr wythnosau diwethaf. Yr ymyrraeth fwyaf effeithiol ar gyfer yr M4 fyddai ffordd liniaru. Byddai'n bodloni'r meini prawf allweddol o leihau tagfeydd, a thrwy hynny'n lleihau'r llygredd a waethygir gan draffig segur a thraffig araf iawn, ac yn gwella gwydnwch, gan ddarparu llwybr amgen i'r M4 pan fydd damweiniau'n digwydd. Nid yw'r opsiynau eraill y mae'r Gweinidog i'w weld yn eu hyrwyddo yn addas i’r diben. Ar gyfer gostyngiad o 3 y cant mewn traffig ar yr M4, bydd cau cyffyrdd yn achosi anhrefn o ran tagfeydd, llygredd a niwed economaidd yn ac o amgylch Casnewydd. Mae lledu twnelau Bryn-glas yn opsiwn annisgwyl, a gafodd ei wrthod gan bob adolygiad blaenorol. Nid yw'r A48 a'r llwybr glas yn gredadwy chwaith. Byddent yn dinistrio iechyd a chyfoeth yng Nghasnewydd, a bydd y cynigion yn wynebu heriau mawr ar ffurf tai newydd a'r cyd-destun trefol. Wrth edrych ar opsiynau adolygiad hanner pob y Llywodraeth hon yng Nghymru, byddai angen iddi weithredu cyfuniad o'r opsiynau y mae'n eu nodi, a byddai cost y cyfuniadau hyn yn fwy na £3 biliwn, ac yn cymryd bron i 30 mlynedd gan na ellir gwneud y gwaith arnynt ar yr un pryd. Hyn oll yng nghyd-destun Llywodraeth â therfyn benthyca blynyddol o £165 miliwn, a chyfanswm cap benthyca o £1.1 biliwn. Ni all Llywodraeth Cymru ddarparu ateb i'r M4 ar ei phen ei hun. Bydd angen partneriaid sy'n barod i rannu adnoddau ariannol, yn amodol ar gytuno ar opsiynau addas i’r diben. Mae'n bryd bod yn realistig. Rhaid diystyru'r cynigion arfaethedig i gau cyffyrdd er budd pobl Casnewydd. Yr unig opsiwn sy'n lleihau tagfeydd, yn sicrhau gwell canlyniadau amgylcheddol drwy gadw traffig i symud ac yn rhyddhau tagfa'r M4 ar yr economi yw ffordd liniaru. Mae angen arweinwyr lleol arnom sydd wedi'u grymuso i arwain y gwaith o gynllunio ffordd liniaru newydd ar gyfer yr M4—partneriaeth rhwng Llywodraeth Cymru ac awdurdodau lleol sy'n gallu ystyried cyllid arloesol ac sy'n gwbl seiliedig ar ymgysylltiad â'r gymuned. Diolch, Lywydd. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780798 380 En 2026-10-21T18:00:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=16202&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=16202&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780803 381 En 2026-10-21T18:00:40 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=16242&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=16242&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 336 336 Natasha Asghar AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=336 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=336 Asghar, Natasha I'm not going to lie, I do feel like I've walked into the twilight zone today with this particular debate happening. As someone who was born and raised in Newport, I have to say on behalf of myself, as well as all the residents, commuters and businesses, that Newport has been forced to suffer for years with unacceptable traffic chaos, especially when it comes to the M4. This vital stretch of road is regularly clogged, with hotspots like the Brynglas tunnels often gridlocked. Not only does this affect residents going about their daily lives, it has a major impact on visitors and seriously damages our economic prosperity. Something absolutely needs to be done to tackle the M4's never-ending problems. By closing junctions 26, 27 and 25, it's simply not going to be the answer to everyone's prayers. Now, instead of providing any sort of relief, as the Government claims, junction closures will consign Newport to even more misery. Traffic won't magically disappear when these junctions close, it will just be moved to our city's A-roads and residential streets, creating more problems.  And then there's the price tag. The Government is looking at spending £14 million on closing these three junctions for a measly 3 per cent expected drop in traffic on the M4. Do you really think that's worth it? That £14 million could go towards building an M4 relief road—something that would actually improve the traffic problems across and around Newport. Since news of the junction closure plans came to light, the public uproar in Newport and its surrounding communities has been loud and clear. They do not want to see Plaid politicians spending £14 million on a scheme that is going to make their lives a living misery. And I don't blame them one bit. Residents have been contacting me in their droves over the past few weeks to highlight the problems junction closures will cause for them, and I want to share some of their stories with all of you here in the Chamber today. These are the words of one of my constituents: 'If the Welsh Government continues to pursue these oppressive and poorly thought out policies, it makes me seriously question my future here and I am genuinely considering moving my family and my taxes across the border to England. I know I'm not alone in giving this serious thought.'  Another constituent told me, 'The closure of these junctions will not only cause chaos on the roads in and around Newport, it will create problems on the roads leading down to the two valleys, which are already congested. It will cause businesses to lose valuable custom, increase their fuel costs and make deliveries a logistical nightmare. It will make commutes longer, more time consuming and more costly.' Another bewildered constituent said, 'Newport residents should not have to pay the price for years of inadequate transport planning and infrastructure investment. Stopping the M4 relief road was, in my view, a major failure in planning towards the future of Wales. Closing M4 junctions is not a solution, it is simply going to move the problem elsewhere. Has anyone seriously considered what the consequences will be for local residents, businesses, commuters and emergency services? We need proper infrastructure investment and long-term thinking. We need additional road capacity and better connectivity across south-east Wales towards England, not measures that make existing congestion even worse. Newport residents deserve better, Wales deserves better.' Now, that's just a snapshot of the feeling amongst my constituents. I could stand here, genuinely, all afternoon and read you e-mail after e-mail, but I appreciate there's simply not enough time. However, I would be more than happy to share these with the Deputy Minister for Transport so he can get a better understanding of how his plans have gone down in communities across my constituency. Taking feedback and views from residents, businesses and key stakeholders is paramount, Presiding Officer, and whilst I believe these junction closures should be categorically ruled out, if this Government is hell bent on pushing this piece of work through, then there must be a serious consultation. Last week, I raised this point with the Welsh Government, and to say I was disappointed by the response would be an understatement. The Government keeps saying it will engage with communities in Newport about the junction plans, but we haven't heard to date one time—one time alone—how they will be doing this or when this piece of work will indeed be commencing. So, I'm going to try again, and I hope that the Deputy Minister will address these points when he responds to this debate later on. These are genuine concerns about the impact junction closures will have on emergency services and accessing medical care. One constituent that I spoke to, who has a child with medically complex needs, is sincerely fearful of the potential extra delay she will face as a result of more traffic when getting her daughter to the Grange hospital. The Gwent police and crime commissioner, Jane Mudd, has also sounded the alarm over junction closures, saying it runs the risk of slowing down emergency response times. Not only that, but Malpas fire station is just a stone's throw away from junction 26, which has been earmarked for partial closure. Has the Welsh Government taken this into account? Has the Minister had serious discussions with Gwent Police, the ambulance service, Newport City Council and Aneurin Bevan University Health Board? If so, what has their feedback been so far? My Welsh Conservative colleagues and I will absolutely be supporting Labour's motion this afternoon, calling for the M4 junction closures to be ruled out and a relief road to be built. But it would be very much remiss of me not to point out the sheer hypocrisy of the Labour Party when it comes to this issue. Let's not all forget, Labour were in power here for 27 years before being turfed out in May. You had more than a quarter of a century to do something to solve the M4 problem, but you did nothing. Labour spent more than £100 million of taxpayers' money on research and development for the M4 relief road, including buying a caravan park, everybody, only for the former First Minister, Mark Drakeford, to scrap the project. And let's not forget that the Conservative Prime Minister, David Cameron, offered your Labour Welsh Government the money to build the relief road, but it was rejected. Where was the outcry from Newport Labour politicians then? Everyone sat there in silence. By not acting when you were in Government, you are equally to blame that these junction closure plans— Nid wyf am ddweud celwydd, rwy'n teimlo fy mod wedi cerdded i mewn i fyd arall heddiw gyda'r ddadl hon. Fel rhywun a gafodd ei geni a'i magu yng Nghasnewydd, rhaid imi ddweud ar fy rhan fy hun, yn ogystal â'r holl drigolion, cymudwyr a busnesau, fod Casnewydd wedi cael ei gorfodi i ddioddef ers blynyddoedd gydag anhrefn traffig annerbyniol, yn enwedig gyda'r M4. Mae'r darn hanfodol hwn o ffordd yn dioddef tagfeydd rheolaidd, gyda thraffig yn dod i stop yn fynych mewn mannau problemus fel twnelau Bryn-glas. Mae hyn nid yn unig yn effeithio ar drigolion sy'n byw eu bywydau bob dydd, mae hefyd yn cael effaith fawr ar ymwelwyr ac yn niweidio ein ffyniant economaidd yn ddifrifol. Mae angen gwneud rhywbeth i fynd i'r afael â phroblemau diddiwedd yr M4. Nid yw cau cyffyrdd 26, 27 a 25 yn mynd i fod yn ateb i weddïau pawb. Nawr, yn hytrach na darparu unrhyw fath o ryddhad, fel y mae'r Llywodraeth yn honni, bydd cau cyffyrdd yn achosi mwy fyth o ddiflastod i Gasnewydd. Ni fydd traffig yn diflannu'n wyrthiol pan fydd y cyffyrdd hyn yn cau, bydd yn cael ei symud i ffyrdd A a strydoedd preswyl ein dinas, gan greu mwy o broblemau. Ac yna mae'r tag pris. Mae'r Llywodraeth yn edrych ar wario £14 miliwn ar gau'r tair cyffordd ar sail gostyngiad bychan o 3 y cant yn y traffig ar yr M4. A ydych chi'n meddwl o ddifrif fod hynny'n werth ei wneud? Gallai'r £14 miliwn fynd tuag at adeiladu ffordd liniaru'r M4—rhywbeth a fyddai'n gwella'r problemau traffig ar draws Casnewydd a'r cyffiniau. Ers i'r newyddion am gynlluniau cau'r cyffyrdd ddod i'r amlwg, mae'r gwrthwynebiad cyhoeddus yng Nghasnewydd a'r cymunedau cyfagos wedi bod yn glir iawn. Nid ydynt eisiau gweld gwleidyddion Plaid Cymru'n gwario £14 miliwn ar gynllun sy'n mynd i wneud eu bywydau'n ddiflas. Ac nid wyf yn gweld unrhyw fai arnynt. Mae llu o drigolion wedi cysylltu â mi dros yr wythnosau diwethaf i dynnu sylw at y problemau y bydd cau cyffyrdd yn eu hachosi iddynt hwy, ac rwyf am rannu rhai o'u straeon gyda chi i gyd yma yn y Siambr heddiw. Dyma eiriau un o'm hetholwyr: 'Os bydd Llywodraeth Cymru yn parhau i ddilyn y polisïau gormesol a difeddwl hyn, mae’n gwneud i mi gwestiynu fy nyfodol yma, ac o ddifrif, rwy’n ystyried symud fy nheulu a thalu fy nhrethi dros y ffin yn Lloegr. Rwy'n gwybod nad wyf ar fy mhen fy hun yn meddwl o ddifrif am wneud hynny.' Dywedodd etholwr arall wrthyf, 'Bydd cau'r cyffyrdd hyn nid yn unig yn achosi anhrefn ar y ffyrdd yng Nghasnewydd a'r cyffiniau, bydd hefyd yn creu problemau ar y ffyrdd sy'n arwain i lawr i'r ddau ddyffryn, sydd eisoes yn dioddef tagfeydd. Bydd yn achosi i fusnesau golli cwsmeriaid gwerthfawr, yn cynyddu eu costau tanwydd ac yn gwneud dosbarthu nwyddau'n hunllef logistaidd. Bydd yn gwneud cymudo'n hirach, gan gymryd mwy o amser ac yn fwy costus.' Dywedodd etholwr dryslyd arall, 'Ni ddylai trigolion Casnewydd orfod talu'r pris am flynyddoedd o gynlluniau trafnidiaeth a buddsoddiad seilwaith annigonol. Roedd rhoi'r gorau i ffordd liniaru'r M4 yn fethiant mawr i gynllunio tuag at ddyfodol Cymru yn fy marn i. Nid yw cau cyffyrdd yr M4 yn ateb, nid yw ond yn symud y broblem i fan arall. A oes unrhyw un wedi ystyried o ddifrif beth fydd y canlyniadau i drigolion lleol, busnesau, cymudwyr a gwasanaethau brys? Mae angen buddsoddiad priodol yn y seilwaith a meddwl hirdymor. Mae angen capasiti ffyrdd ychwanegol a gwell cysylltedd ar draws de-ddwyrain Cymru tuag at Loegr, nid mesurau sy'n gwneud y tagfeydd presennol hyd yn oed yn waeth. Mae trigolion Casnewydd yn haeddu gwell, mae Cymru'n haeddu gwell.' Nawr, cipolwg yn unig ar deimladau fy etholwyr yw hwnnw. Yn onest, gallwn sefyll yma drwy'r prynhawn yn darllen e-bost ar ôl e-bost i chi, ond rwy'n derbyn nad oes digon o amser. Ond rwy'n fwy na hapus i rannu'r rhain gyda'r Dirprwy Weinidog Trafnidiaeth er mwyn iddo gael gwell dealltwriaeth o'r ymateb i'w gynlluniau mewn cymunedau ar draws fy etholaeth. Mae derbyn adborth a barn gan drigolion, busnesau a rhanddeiliaid allweddol yn hollbwysig, Lywydd, ac er fy mod yn credu y dylid diystyru cau'r cyffyrdd hyn yn bendant iawn, os yw'r Llywodraeth hon yn benderfynol o wthio'r gwaith hwn drwodd, rhaid sicrhau ymgynghoriad trylwyr. Yr wythnos diwethaf, codais y pwynt hwn gyda Llywodraeth Cymru, a byddai dweud fy mod wedi fy siomi gan yr ymateb yn danosodiad. Mae'r Llywodraeth yn parhau i ddweud y bydd yn ymgysylltu â chymunedau yng Nghasnewydd ynglŷn â'r cynlluniau ar gyfer y cyffyrdd, ond nid ydym wedi clywed unwaith hyd yma—ddim unwaith—sut y byddant yn gwneud hyn na phryd y bydd y gwaith yn dechrau. Felly, rwy'n mynd i geisio eto, ac rwy'n gobeithio yr aiff y Dirprwy Weinidog i'r afael â'r pwyntiau hyn pan fydd yn ymateb i'r ddadl hon yn nes ymlaen. Mae'r rhain yn bryderon gwirioneddol am yr effaith y bydd cau cyffyrdd yn ei chael ar wasanaethau brys a mynediad at ofal meddygol. Mae un etholwr y siaradais â hi, sydd â phlentyn ag anghenion meddygol cymhleth, yn ofni'n fawr yr oedi ychwanegol posibl y bydd yn ei wynebu o ganlyniad i fwy o draffig wrth fynd â'i merch i ysbyty'r Faenor. Mae comisiynydd heddlu a throseddu Gwent, Jane Mudd, hefyd wedi rhybuddio ynghylch cau cyffyrdd, gan ddweud ei fod yn creu risg o arafu amseroedd ymateb brys. Nid yn unig hynny, mae gorsaf dân Malpas dafliad carreg i ffwrdd o gyffordd 26, sydd wedi'i chlustnodi ar gyfer ei chau'n rhannol. A yw Llywodraeth Cymru wedi ystyried hyn? A yw'r Gweinidog wedi cael trafodaethau difrifol gyda Heddlu Gwent, y gwasanaeth ambiwlans, Cyngor Dinas Casnewydd a Bwrdd Iechyd Prifysgol Aneurin Bevan? Os felly, beth yw eu hadborth hyd yn hyn? Bydd fy nghyd-Aelodau yn y Ceidwadwyr Cymreig a minnau'n cefnogi cynnig Llafur y prynhawn yma, sy'n galw am ddiystyru cau cyffyrdd yr M4 ac am adeiladu ffordd liniaru. Ond buaswn ar fai'n peidio â nodi rhagrith llwyr y Blaid Lafur ar y mater hwn. Gadewch inni beidio ag anghofio bod Llafur wedi bod mewn grym yma am 27 mlynedd cyn cael ei diorseddu ym mis Mai. Fe gawsoch chi dros chwarter canrif i wneud rhywbeth i ddatrys problem yr M4, ond ni wnaethoch chi unrhyw beth. Fe wariodd Llafur fwy na £100 miliwn o arian trethdalwyr ar ymchwil a datblygu ar gyfer ffordd liniaru'r M4, gan gynnwys prynu maes carafanau, bawb, ddim ond i'r cyn-Brif Weinidog, Mark Drakeford, ddileu'r prosiect. A gadewch inni beidio ag anghofio bod y Prif Weinidog Ceidwadol, David Cameron, wedi cynnig arian i'ch Llywodraeth Lafur i adeiladu'r ffordd liniaru, ond cafodd ei wrthod. Ble roedd y brotest gan wleidyddion Llafur Casnewydd bryd hynny? Eisteddodd pawb mewn tawelwch. Drwy beidio â gweithredu pan oeddech chi'n Llywodraeth, mae llawn cymaint o fai arnoch chi fod y cynlluniau hyn i gau cyffyrdd— 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780805 382 En 2026-10-21T18:05:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=16502&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=16502&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780817 383 En 2026-10-21T18:05:58 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=16560&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=16560&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Could you conclude now, please, Natasha? A wnewch chi ddod i ben nawr, os gwelwch yn dda, Natasha? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780819 384 En 2026-10-21T18:05:59 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=16561&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=16561&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 336 336 Natasha Asghar AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=336 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=336 Asghar, Natasha —are happening right now. In fact, it was one of your MSs who touted the idea of junction closures in the first place, the former MS John Griffiths—[Inaudible.]—for the first time. —yn digwydd nawr. Mewn gwirionedd, un o'ch Aelodau Senedd a bedlerodd y syniad o gau cyffyrdd yn y lle cyntaf, y cyn Aelod John Griffiths—[Anghlywadwy.] —y tro cyntaf. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780821 385 En 2026-10-21T18:06:11 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=16573&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=16573&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Ken Skates. Ken Skates. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 781000 386 En 2026-10-21T18:06:12 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=16574&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=16574&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 336 336 Natasha Asghar AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=336 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=336 Asghar, Natasha [Inaudible.] [Anghlywadwy.] 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 781001 387 En 2026-10-21T18:06:15 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=16577&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=16577&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Ken Skates. Ken Skates. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780824 388 En 2026-10-21T18:06:16 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=16578&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=16578&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 267 267 Ken Skates AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=267 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=267 Skates, Ken And do you know which Minister it was that ruled out those junction closure plans at the time? Ac a wyddoch chi pa Weinidog a ddiystyrodd y cynlluniau hynny i gau cyffyrdd ar y pryd? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780825 389 En 2026-10-21T18:06:24 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=16586&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=16586&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 336 336 Natasha Asghar AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=336 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=336 Asghar, Natasha Was it you, by any chance? Ai chi, tybed? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780826 390 En 2026-10-21T18:06:25 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=16587&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=16587&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 267 267 Ken Skates AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=267 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=267 Skates, Ken It was, indeed. Thank you. Ie'n wir. Diolch. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780827 391 En 2026-10-21T18:06:26 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=16588&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=16588&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 336 336 Natasha Asghar AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=336 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=336 Asghar, Natasha Okay, well, it was the fact that—[Inaudible.] Iawn, wel, roedd y ffaith bod—[Anghlywadwy.] 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780828 392 En 2026-10-21T18:06:30 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=16592&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=16592&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw [Inaudible.]—going, but I said loud enough, please, to conclude the remarks. Ken Skates. [Anghlywadwy.]—mynd, ond gofynnais i chi'n ddigon uchel i ddod â'ch sylwadau i ben. Ken Skates. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780829 393 En 2026-10-21T18:06:36 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=16598&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=16598&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 267 267 Ken Skates AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=267 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=267 Skates, Ken Thank you, Llywydd. Obviously, the subject matter of this debate actually predates devolution. It goes all the way back to the early 1990s, to the John Major Government, when there was failure to deliver back then. And of course, some in the Chamber were once Tories failing to deliver. But if we then move to 2019, of course, the planning inspector gave support to the proposed M4 relief lanes promoted through the public inquiry. But the decision made in 2019 not to go ahead with the relief lanes was for very good reason. The cost at the time, at a period of terrible uncertainty, was prohibitive. It was too much money at the time, with too few options available to pay for it. Costs, and estimated costs, had been rising during the course of development and reached £1.4 billion. At the time, we were planning for a no-deal Brexit, with funds being—[Interruption.]—this is a fact—with funds being prepared to help businesses, to help farmers, to help public services with the chaos that would have come. Instead, COVID came and wiped out our budgets. Now, I'm proud of the work that Lord Burns and the South East Wales Transport Commission did, as well as having secured the money for the south Wales relief line stations, including Cardiff Parkway. And I'm proud that we delivered the south Wales metro. But we now know for sure, because of the independent expert resilience study published this month, that if we wish to solve the problem of M4 congestion through Newport, no single or combined package of solutions will do. Now, it's worth Members knowing that 25 million km—25 million km—of new road will be built around the world between now and 2050. The M4 black route would have amounted to less than one-millionth of that amount. And that doesn't relieve us of our responsibilities to meet net-zero targets and to promote biodiversity, but it does show that even the most environmentally sensitive nations are building roads. The key is building better, and in suitable places, rather than in not building at all. Ecologists from around the world, from Cairns to Cambridge, are now agreeing that, built in the right way, roads can actually help nature and the environment. And this is why our motion states that a relief road must be appropriate. The policy and consenting environment has changed substantially since 2019, and a relief road would rightly have to meet far more stretching environmental challenges. Revising existing plans would provide an opportunity to include dedicated bus rapid transport and active travel routes along the M4. That would save more than £300 million from the proposed stand-alone bus rapid transport road from Newport to Cardiff. It could also be used as a global exemplar in the use of low-carbon materials, modular construction techniques, and world-leading environmental benefits. The world is building 25 million km of new road. In my view, we must help them build better by leading on sustainable infrastructure. Now, pages 27-29 of the independent report published this month show how economic growth and investment in road transport infrastructure are tightly coupled together—this is a fact—where an economy is weighted towards manufacturing, logistics, agriculture, construction, automotive and aerospace sectors, the very sectors that drive the future of the Welsh economy. So, whether we like it or not, unless the economy of Wales is changed dramatically and fast, its future growth or contraction is inextricably linked to road transport. Where we are today is a world away from 2019. We have greater economic stability— Diolch, Lywydd. Yn amlwg, mae pwnc y ddadl hon yn rhagflaenu datganoli mewn gwirionedd. Mae'n mynd yr holl ffordd yn ôl i ddechrau'r 1990au, i Lywodraeth John Major, pan oedd methiant i gyflawni bryd hynny. Ac wrth gwrs, roedd rhai yn y Siambr yn Dorïaid unwaith a oedd yn methu cyflawni. Ond os symudwn ymlaen wedyn i 2019, wrth gwrs, rhoddodd yr arolygydd cynllunio gefnogaeth i'r lonydd lliniaru arfaethedig ar yr M4 a hyrwyddwyd drwy'r ymchwiliad cyhoeddus. Ond fe wnaed y penderfyniad yn 2019 i beidio â bwrw ymlaen â'r lonydd lliniaru am reswm da iawn. Roedd y gost ar y pryd, mewn cyfnod o ansicrwydd ofnadwy, yn waharddol. Roedd yn ormod o arian ar y pryd, gyda rhy ychydig o opsiynau ar gael i dalu amdano. Roedd costau, a chostau amcangyfrifedig, wedi bod yn codi yn ystod y datblygiad a chyrraedd £1.4 biliwn. Ar y pryd, roeddem yn cynllunio ar gyfer Brexit heb gytundeb, gyda chyllid yn cael—[Torri ar draws.]—mae hyn yn ffaith—gyda chyllid yn cael ei baratoi i helpu busnesau, i helpu ffermwyr, i helpu gwasanaethau cyhoeddus gyda'r anhrefn a fyddai wedi dod. Yn lle hynny, daeth COVID a llyncu ein cyllidebau i gyd. Nawr, rwy'n falch o'r gwaith a wnaeth yr Arglwydd Burns a Chomisiwn Trafnidiaeth De-ddwyrain Cymru, yn ogystal â sicrhau'r arian ar gyfer gorsafoedd rheilffordd liniaru de Cymru, gan gynnwys Parcffordd Caerdydd. Ac rwy'n falch ein bod wedi cyflwyno metro de Cymru. Ond rydym bellach yn gwybod i sicrwydd, oherwydd yr astudiaeth wydnwch arbenigol annibynnol a gyhoeddwyd y mis hwn, os ydym am ddatrys problem tagfeydd yr M4 trwy Gasnewydd, na fydd unrhyw becyn sengl neu gyfunol o atebion yn gwneud y tro. Nawr, mae'n werth gwybod y bydd 25 miliwn km—25 miliwn km—o ffyrdd newydd yn cael eu hadeiladu ledled y byd rhwng nawr a 2050. Byddai llwybr du yr M4 wedi bod yn llai nag un rhan o filiwn o'r ffigur hwnnw. Ac nid yw hynny'n ein rhyddhau o'n cyfrifoldebau i gyrraedd targedau sero net ac i hyrwyddo bioamrywiaeth, ond mae'n dangos bod hyd yn oed y cenhedloedd mwyaf sensitif i'r amgylchedd yn adeiladu ffyrdd. Yr allwedd yw adeiladu'n well, ac mewn mannau addas, yn hytrach na pheidio ag adeiladu o gwbl. Mae ecolegwyr o bob cwr o'r byd, o Cairns i Gaergrawnt, bellach yn cytuno y gall ffyrdd, wedi'u hadeiladu yn y ffordd gywir, helpu natur a'r amgylchedd. A dyna pam y mae ein cynnig yn nodi bod yn rhaid i ffordd liniaru fod yn briodol. Mae'r amgylchedd polisi a chydsynio wedi newid yn sylweddol ers 2019, a byddai'n rhaid i ffordd liniaru oresgyn heriau amgylcheddol llawer mwy ymestynnol. Byddai adolygu'r cynlluniau presennol yn rhoi cyfle i gynnwys llwybrau trafnidiaeth bysiau cyflym a theithio llesol pwrpasol ar hyd yr M4. Byddai hynny'n arbed mwy na £300 miliwn o'r ffordd trafnidiaeth bysiau cyflym annibynnol arfaethedig o Gasnewydd i Gaerdydd. Gellid ei defnyddio hefyd fel esiampl fyd-eang o'r defnydd o ddeunyddiau carbon isel, technegau adeiladu modiwlaidd, a manteision amgylcheddol sy'n arwain y byd. Mae'r byd yn adeiladu 25 miliwn km o ffyrdd newydd. Yn fy marn i, rhaid i ni eu helpu i adeiladu'n well trwy arwain ar seilwaith cynaliadwy. Nawr, mae tudalennau 27-29 o'r adroddiad annibynnol a gyhoeddwyd y mis hwn yn dangos sut y mae twf economaidd a buddsoddiad mewn seilwaith trafnidiaeth ffyrdd wedi'u cysylltu'n dynn gyda'i gilydd—mae hyn yn ffaith—lle mae economi'n cael ei phwysoli tuag at y sectorau gweithgynhyrchu, logisteg, amaethyddiaeth, adeiladu, modurol ac awyrofod, yr union sectorau sy'n gyrru dyfodol economi Cymru. Felly, hoffi hynny ai peidio, oni bai bod economi Cymru'n newid yn ddramatig ac yn gyflym, mae ei thwf neu ei chrebachiad yn y dyfodol yn gysylltiedig â thrafnidiaeth ffyrdd. Mae lle rydym ni heddiw yn fyd gwahanol i 2019. Mae gennym fwy o sefydlogrwydd economaidd— 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 781040 394 En 2026-10-21T18:10:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=16802&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=16802&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780799 395 En 2026-10-21T18:10:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=16802&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=16802&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780815 396 En 2026-10-21T18:10:39 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=16841&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=16841&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 7 7 Aelod o'r Senedd / Member of the Senedd Senedd, Aelod o'r Senedd / Member of the Will you take an intervention, please? A wnewch chi dderbyn ymyriad, os gwelwch yn dda? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780816 397 En 2026-10-21T18:10:41 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=16843&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=16843&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 267 267 Ken Skates AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=267 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=267 Skates, Ken —in a moment—a UK Government that's growing, more Welsh Government borrowing powers, more finance options available, and, of course, an established corporate joint committee in the region to make a decision on the M4 for the region. And we now have an indisputable, independent expert evidence-led study that concludes that only an appropriate relief road will meet the needs of the people we serve. Now, it's my firm belief that tackling climate change and tackling economic decline are not mutually exclusive objectives for a Government. To claim that they are is to promote an absolutist argument that divides and damages society. And, as leading ecologists are now agreeing, building better roads can actually help the planet as well as the economy. Let's be open minded, evidence based, ambitious and responsible and unite in building better infrastructure that combats climate change and economic decline. Diolch. —mewn eiliad—Llywodraeth y DU sy'n tyfu, mwy o bwerau benthyca gan Lywodraeth Cymru, mwy o opsiynau cyllid ar gael, ac wrth gwrs, cyd-bwyllgor corfforedig sefydledig yn y rhanbarth i wneud penderfyniad ar yr M4 ar gyfer y rhanbarth. A nawr mae gennym astudiaeth annibynnol ddiamheuol a arweinir gan dystiolaeth sy'n dod i'r casgliad mai dim ond ffordd liniaru briodol fydd yn diwallu anghenion y bobl a wasanaethwn. Nawr, rwy'n credu'n gryf nad yw mynd i'r afael â newid hinsawdd a mynd i'r afael â dirywiad economaidd yn amcanion sy'n eithrio'i gilydd i Lywodraeth. Mae honni eu bod yn hyrwyddo dadl absoliwtaidd sy'n rhannu ac yn niweidio cymdeithas. Ac fel y mae ecolegwyr blaenllaw bellach yn cytuno, gall adeiladu ffyrdd gwell helpu'r blaned yn ogystal â'r economi. Gadewch inni gael meddwl agored, cael ein harwain gan y dystiolaeth, a bod yn uchelgeisiol ac yn gyfrifol ac yn unedig er mwyn adeiladu gwell seilwaith sy'n ymladd newid hinsawdd a dirywiad economaidd. Diolch. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780820 398 En 2026-10-21T18:11:48 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=16910&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=16910&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Irranca-Davies, Huw Could I forewarn Members that there are many names down in this debate? I don't think I'll be able to call everyone, but let's do our best. Paul Rock. A gaf i rybuddio'r Aelodau fod yna lawer o enwau i lawr ar gyfer y ddadl hon? Nid wyf yn credu y gallaf alw pawb, ond gadewch inni wneud ein gorau. Paul Rock. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780822 399 En 2026-10-21T18:11:59 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=16921&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=16921&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 12176 12176 Paul Rock AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12176 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12176 Rock, Paul Diolch, Lywydd. In his resignation statement to the Senedd in 2024, the former First Minister, Mark Drakeford, reflected on his first major decision, which was to not proceed with the M4 relief road. He said, 'The easy decision would have been to say, "Go ahead". The powerful voices in Wales were lined up in support of it. My decision, having spent many, many days reading and thinking about it, was that that was not in the long-term interests of Wales.'  Welsh Labour were also responsible for passing our groundbreaking Well-being of Future Generations (Wales) Act 2015 and many other world-leading initiatives. I guess that's why I find this motion quite sad. The black route is no longer an option; the land is no longer available. But even if it were an option, concreting over the Gwent levels is an option that no serious Government or Parliament could consider, given the environmental devastation it would cause. There is no magic green floating motorway. But I do agree that doing nothing is not an option. The most important part of the solution to the M4 congestion is further investment in public transport to encourage more drivers to leave their cars at home and take a train or a bus. So, I really welcome the announcement that the new railway stations recommended—[Interruption.]—no, it's all right—by the Burns commission will be brought forward and delivered sooner than originally planned. Increasing accessibility and the number of services on the main line between Cardiff and Severn Tunnel Junction will be incredibly valuable for people across the region, and I look forward to using them myself in the not-too-distant future. Now, looking at the Government's proposals, lorries travelling between the north of England and west Wales are currently inhibited from using the Heads of the Valleys road due to the lack of rest facilities, which they are, of course, legally required to use. The Government's proposal to invest in rest facilities is common sense, cost-effective, and can remove substantial freight traffic from the M4.  The people of Newport will be more likely to take the bus if they have confidence that a bus goes where they need it to, will arrive at their stop when the timetable says it will, and will get them to their destination on time. So, again, the Government's proposed bus network improvements are sensible and cost-effective and have the capacity to reduce the number of private cars using both the M4 and the surrounding roads. The railway stations recommended by Lord Burns are, as I said, welcome. Experience shows that new railway stations always outperform the passenger number modelling, so these stations could really make a difference to traffic on the M4 around Newport. It won't surprise Members that I feel the Burns stations don't go far enough. In my own constituency, the long-anticipated, but currently unfunded, stations at Gabalfa and Roath park, as well as others like Caerleon, would encourage more people to use public transport, helping to reduce congestion across the whole road network. Rather than spending the entire Welsh Government capital budget on a single new motorway that would devastate a fragile ecosystem, public money is far better spent on making cost-effective improvements more quickly to our existing road network and public transport that, together, can produce considerable benefits for all road users, including freight, private cars, buses, cyclists and pedestrians. Diolch. Diolch, Lywydd. Yn ei ddatganiad ymddiswyddo i'r Senedd yn 2024, myfyriodd y cyn-Brif Weinidog, Mark Drakeford, ar ei benderfyniad mawr cyntaf, sef peidio â bwrw ymlaen â ffordd liniaru'r M4. Dywedodd, 'Y penderfyniad hawdd fyddai dweud, 'Ewch amdani.' Roedd y lleisiau pwerus yng Nghymru yn barod i'w gefnogi. Fy mhenderfyniad i, wedi treulio llawer iawn o ddyddiau'n darllen ac yn meddwl amdano, oedd nad oedd hynny er lles hirdymor Cymru.' Llafur Cymru hefyd oedd yn gyfrifol am basio'r ddeddf arloesol, Deddf Llesiant Cenedlaethau'r Dyfodol (Cymru) 2015, a llawer o gynlluniau eraill blaenllaw. Rwy'n credu mai dyna pam rwy'n gweld y cynnig hwn yn eithaf trist. Nid yw'r llwybr du bellach yn opsiwn; nid yw'r tir ar gael mwyach. Ond hyd yn oed pe bai'n opsiwn, mae gosod concrit dros wastadeddau Gwent yn opsiwn na allai unrhyw Lywodraeth neu Senedd ddifrifol ei ystyried, o gofio'r dinistr amgylcheddol y byddai'n ei achosi. Nid oes y fath beth â thraffordd arnofiol werdd hud. Ond rwy'n cytuno nad yw gwneud dim yn opsiwn. Y rhan bwysicaf o'r ateb i dagfeydd yr M4 yw buddsoddiad pellach mewn trafnidiaeth gyhoeddus i annog mwy o yrwyr i adael eu ceir gartref a mynd ar drên neu fws. Felly, rwy'n croesawu'n fawr y cyhoeddiad fod y gorsafoedd rheilffordd newydd a argymhellwyd—[Torri ar draws.]—na, mae'n iawn—gan gomisiwn Burns yn cael eu cyflwyno'n gynt nag a gynlluniwyd yn wreiddiol. Bydd cynyddu hygyrchedd a nifer y gwasanaethau ar y brif linell rhwng Caerdydd a Chyffordd Twnnel Hafren yn hynod werthfawr i bobl ledled y rhanbarth, ac edrychaf ymlaen at eu defnyddio fy hun yn y dyfodol heb fod yn rhy bell. Nawr, wrth edrych ar gynigion y Llywodraeth, mae lorïau sy'n teithio rhwng gogledd Lloegr a gorllewin Cymru yn cael eu hatal rhag defnyddio ffordd Blaenau'r Cymoedd ar hyn o bryd oherwydd diffyg cyfleusterau gorffwys y mae'n ofynnol yn gyfreithiol iddynt eu defnyddio, wrth gwrs. Mae cynnig y Llywodraeth i fuddsoddi mewn cyfleusterau gorffwys yn fater o synnwyr cyffredin, yn gosteffeithiol, a gall gael gwared ar gryn dipyn o draffig cludo nwyddau oddi ar yr M4. Bydd pobl Casnewydd yn fwy tebygol o fynd ar fws os oes ganddynt hyder fod bws yn mynd lle mae ei angen arnynt, y bydd yn cyrraedd eu harosfan pan fydd yr amserlen yn dweud y bydd yn gwneud hynny, ac yn eu cludo i'w cyrchfan ar amser. Felly, unwaith eto, mae gwelliannau rhwydwaith bysiau arfaethedig y Llywodraeth yn synhwyrol ac yn gosteffeithiol ac mae ganddynt allu i leihau nifer y ceir preifat sy'n defnyddio'r M4 a'r ffyrdd cyfagos. Mae'r gorsafoedd rheilffordd a argymhellwyd gan yr Arglwydd Burns i'w croesawu, fel y dywedais. Mae profiad yn dangos bod gorsafoedd rheilffordd newydd bob amser yn perfformio'n well na modelau o niferoedd teithwyr, felly gallai'r gorsafoedd hyn wneud gwahaniaeth i draffig ar yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd. Ni fydd yn syndod i'r Aelodau fy mod yn teimlo nad yw gorsafoedd Burns yn mynd yn ddigon pell. Yn fy etholaeth fy hun, byddai'r gorsafoedd hirddisgwyliedig, ond sydd heb eu hariannu ar hyn o bryd, yn Gabalfa a pharc y Rhath, yn ogystal ag eraill fel Caerllion, yn annog mwy o bobl i ddefnyddio trafnidiaeth gyhoeddus, gan helpu i leihau tagfeydd ar draws y rhwydwaith ffyrdd cyfan. Yn hytrach na gwario cyllideb gyfalaf gyfan Llywodraeth Cymru ar un draffordd newydd a fyddai'n dinistrio ecosystem fregus, byddai'n llawer gwell gwario arian cyhoeddus ar wneud gwelliannau costeffeithiol yn gyflymach i'n rhwydwaith ffyrdd presennol a'n trafnidiaeth gyhoeddus a allai, gyda'i gilydd, gynhyrchu manteision sylweddol i holl ddefnyddwyr y ffyrdd, gan gynnwys trafnidiaeth cludo nwyddau, ceir preifat, bysiau, beicwyr a cherddwyr. Diolch. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780814 400 En 2026-10-21T18:15:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=17102&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=17102&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780823 401 En 2026-10-21T18:16:01 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=17163&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=17163&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 8579 8579 Peredur Owen Griffiths AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8579 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8579 Griffiths, Peredur Owen On paper, we're debating the M4 relief road, but scratch the surface of this debate and it's about something else entirely: political credibility, consistency and a spectacular example of political opportunism. When I saw this debate on the agenda, I wondered whether the scriptwriters from The Thick of It had taken over the Labour group, because, Llywydd, you can't make this up. Do Labour Members think we've forgotten who cancelled the M4 relief road? Let's remind ourselves of the fact that a Labour Government spent over £100 million developing the plans and buying land along the route. A Labour Government commissioned an expensive public inquiry. A Labour Government cancelled the project in June 2019. As we've heard, we know who the transport Minister at the time was—none other than the Labour leader himself. But we don't need to go back seven years to find a contradiction. Seven months will do. In March, speaking as the transport Secretary, he told us this in this Chamber, and I quote: 'When it comes to the M4, this debate has been and gone, and we are ploughing ahead with hugely ambitious plans to improve connectivity by public transport, sustainable connectivity. The cost of building an M4 relief road right now would be enormous, and it does need to be a costed proposition, I believe, and it can't be, whether it's from yourselves or the Conservatives, a back-of-the-fag-packet proposal.' Seven months ago, Llywydd. So what's changed? Has the cost come down? Is there new evidence, or is the scheme that was unaffordable in Government— Ar bapur, rydym yn trafod ffordd liniaru'r M4, ond crafwch wyneb y ddadl hon ac mae'n ymwneud â rhywbeth arall yn llwyr: hygrededd gwleidyddol, cysondeb ac enghraifft ysblennydd o oportiwnistiaeth wleidyddol. Pan welais y ddadl hon ar yr agenda, roeddwn i'n meddwl tybed a oedd sgriptwyr The Thick of It wedi meddiannu'r grŵp Llafur, oherwydd, Lywydd, mae hyn yn anhygoel. A yw'r Aelodau Llafur yn meddwl ein bod ni wedi anghofio pwy ganslodd ffordd liniaru'r M4? Gadewch inni atgoffa ein hunain o'r ffaith fod Llywodraeth Lafur wedi gwario dros £100 miliwn yn datblygu'r cynlluniau a phrynu tir ar hyd y llwybr. Comisiynodd Llywodraeth Lafur ymchwiliad cyhoeddus drud. Canslodd Llywodraeth Lafur y prosiect ym mis Mehefin 2019. Fel y clywsom, fe wyddom pwy oedd y Gweinidog trafnidiaeth ar y pryd—neb llai na'r arweinydd Llafur ei hun. Ond nid oes angen i ni fynd yn ôl saith mlynedd i ddod o hyd i anghysondeb. Bydd saith mis yn ddigon. Ym mis Mawrth, wrth siarad fel Ysgrifennydd trafnidiaeth, dywedodd hyn wrthym yn y Siambr hon, ac rwy'n dyfynnu: 'Ar yr M4, mae'r ddadl hon wedi bod ac wedi mynd, ac rydym yn bwrw ymlaen â chynlluniau hynod uchelgeisiol i wella cysylltedd drwy drafnidiaeth gyhoeddus, cysylltedd cynaliadwy. Byddai'r gost o adeiladu ffordd liniaru'r M4 ar hyn o bryd yn enfawr, ac mae angen iddo fod yn gynnig wedi'i gostio, rwy'n credu, ac ni all fod yn gynnig cefn pecyn sigaréts boed gennych chi neu'r Ceidwadwyr.' Saith mis yn ôl, Lywydd. Felly beth sydd wedi newid? A yw'r gost wedi gostwng? A oes tystiolaeth newydd, neu a yw'r cynllun a oedd yn anfforddiadwy mewn Llywodraeth— 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780830 402 En 2026-10-21T18:17:38 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=17260&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=17260&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 267 267 Ken Skates AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=267 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=267 Skates, Ken Will you take an intervention? A wnewch chi dderbyn ymyriad? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780832 403 En 2026-10-21T18:17:41 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=17263&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=17263&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 8579 8579 Peredur Owen Griffiths AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8579 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8579 Griffiths, Peredur Owen No, I've got to make headway, because the Llywydd has told me. Or has the scheme that wasn't affordable in Government become a brilliant idea in opposition? Apparently, a few months on the opposition benches can work wonders. But, beyond the political theatre, there's a serious problem for the communities I represent. People in Casnewydd Islwyn want to get to work on time. They want reliable trains and buses and an end to the daily frustration of M4 congestion. I know how badly the congestion affects residents and businesses. There's no simple, single solution. If there was one, Labour might have found it during all those years in Government. We need credible proposals, proper evidence and meaningful consultation with local communities. If Labour want to help, they could start with their colleagues in Westminster. Wales is still being short-changed on rail funding, not least through HS2. Labour once agreed with us. Indeed, the current leader said in 2020 that Wales could be owed as much as £5 billion. Imagine the difference that could make. Yet, since Labour took office in Westminster, those demands have gone remarkably quiet. So, I'll finish with questions for the Minister when he responds to this debate. If Wales received the rail funding that we're owed, what improvements would he prioritise for Newport and the surrounding area? Would those include the Burns stations in Newport? Our communities deserve more than political theatre. They deserve investment, better transport and a Government prepared to deliver. Diolch yn fawr. Na, rhaid i mi wneud cynnydd, oherwydd mae'r Llywydd wedi dweud. Neu a yw'r cynllun nad oedd yn fforddiadwy mewn Llywodraeth wedi dod yn syniad gwych yn yr wrthblaid? Mae'n ymddangos bod ychydig fisoedd ar feinciau'r wrthblaid yn gwneud gwyrthiau. Ond y tu hwnt i'r theatr wleidyddol, mae yna broblem ddifrifol i'r cymunedau rwy'n eu cynrychioli. Mae pobl Casnewydd Islwyn eisiau mynd i'r gwaith ar amser. Maent eisiau trenau a bysiau dibynadwy a diwedd ar rwystredigaeth ddyddiol tagfeydd yr M4. Rwy'n gwybod pa mor wael y mae'r tagfeydd yn effeithio ar drigolion a busnesau. Nid oes un ateb syml i'w gael. Pe bai un, efallai y byddai Llafur wedi dod o hyd iddo dros yr holl flynyddoedd mewn grym. Mae angen cynigion credadwy, tystiolaeth briodol ac ymgynghori ystyrlon â chymunedau lleol. Os yw Llafur eisiau helpu, gallent ddechrau gyda'u cymheiriaid yn San Steffan. Mae Cymru'n dal ar ei cholled o ran cyllid rheilffyrdd, yn enwedig yn sgil HS2. Roedd Llafur yn cytuno â ni ar un adeg. Yn wir, dywedodd yr arweinydd presennol yn 2020 y gallai fod cymaint â £5 biliwn yn ddyledus i Gymru. Dychmygwch y gwahaniaeth y gallai hynny ei wneud. Eto i gyd, ers i Lafur ddod i rym yn San Steffan, mae'r galwadau hynny wedi tawelu'n rhyfeddol. Felly, rwyf am orffen gyda chwestiynau i'r Gweinidog pan fydd yn ymateb i'r ddadl hon. Pe bai Cymru'n cael y cyllid rheilffyrdd sy'n ddyledus i ni, pa welliannau y byddai ef yn eu blaenoriaethu ar gyfer Casnewydd a'r cyffiniau? A fyddai'r rhain yn cynnwys gorsafoedd Burns yng Nghasnewydd? Mae ein cymunedau'n haeddu mwy na theatr wleidyddol. Maent yn haeddu buddsoddiad, gwell trafnidiaeth a Llywodraeth sy'n barod i gyflawni. Diolch yn fawr. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780833 404 En 2026-10-21T18:19:23 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=17365&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=17365&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 332 332 Mike Hedges AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=332 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=332 Hedges, Mike If we were starting from scratch now, the M4 would stretch from the bridge over the Severn estuary to Fishguard. The motorway would be three lanes wide for the whole of its length. There would be fewer junctions, and they would be further apart. It was built piecemeal. But we're not starting from scratch, are we? So, what do we intend to do? It's not just around the Brynglas tunnels that we have problems on the M4. For those of us coming in from the west, we have problems around Port Talbot. We have problems around the junction going on to the Heads of Valleys, and then we all join—and I'm sure, if you're driving here, Presiding Officer, you do—coming off the M4 at junction 33. We have all these traffic jams that affect us. So, I'm asking the Welsh Government: why do we always think we're unique? Why do we think that no other country has ever dealt with these sorts of problems? It's happening all the time. Can I mention what's happened in Italy? There's a technique known as the Nazzano method, which allows tunnels to be widened while traffic continues to run through them. Originally developed and successfully implemented in Italy, the Nazzano method allows an existing tunnel to be widened while remaining open to traffic. This technique involves constructing a new, larger tunnel shell around the existing bore, maintaining traffic flows through the works, and then removing the old lining once the new structure is complete. This method has been used internationally on busy motorway tunnels where closure was not feasible, and it has consistently delivered increased capacity. Can I urge the Welsh Government to give some serious thought to that? And it's not just that, is it? [Interruption.] Certainly. Pe baem yn dechrau o'r dechrau nawr, byddai'r M4 yn ymestyn o'r bont dros yr Hafren i Abergwaun. Byddai'r draffordd yn dair lôn o led ar hyd-ddi. Byddai llai o gyffyrdd, a byddent ymhellach oddi wrth ei gilydd. Fe'i hadeiladwyd mewn ffordd dameidiog. Ond nid ydym yn dechrau o'r dechrau, ydym ni? Felly, beth y bwriadwn ei wneud? Nid o gwmpas twnelau Bryn-glas yn unig y mae gennym broblemau ar yr M4. I'r rhai ohonom sy'n dod i mewn o'r gorllewin, mae gennym broblemau o gwmpas Port Talbot. Mae gennym broblemau o gwmpas y gyffordd sy'n mynd i Flaenau'r Cymoedd, ac yna rydym i gyd yn ymuno—ac rwy'n siŵr eich bod chi'n ei wneud, os ydych chi'n gyrru yma, Lywydd—gan ddod oddi ar yr M4 yng nghyffordd 33. Mae gennym yr holl dagfeydd traffig hyn sy'n effeithio arnom. Felly, rwy'n gofyn i Lywodraeth Cymru: pam ein bod ni bob amser yn meddwl ein bod ni'n unigryw? Pam ein bod ni'n meddwl nad oes unrhyw wlad arall erioed wedi delio â'r mathau hyn o broblemau? Mae'n digwydd drwy'r amser. A gaf i sôn am yr hyn sydd wedi digwydd yn yr Eidal? Mae yna dechneg o'r enw dull Nazzano, sy'n caniatáu i dwnelau gael eu lledu tra bod traffig yn parhau i deithio trwyddynt. Wedi'i ddatblygu'n wreiddiol a'i weithredu'n llwyddiannus yn yr Eidal, mae'r dull Nazzano yn caniatáu i dwnnel presennol gael ei ledu gan barhau i fod ar agor i draffig. Mae'r dechneg hon yn cynnwys adeiladu cragen twnnel newydd a mwy o faint o amgylch y twll presennol, gan gynnal llif traffig trwy gydol y gwaith, a thynnu'r hen leinin wedyn pan fydd y strwythur newydd wedi'i gwblhau. Mae'r dull hwn wedi cael ei ddefnyddio'n rhyngwladol ar dwnelau traffordd prysur lle nad oedd yn bosibl eu cau, ac mae wedi darparu mwy o gapasiti yn gyson. A gaf i annog Llywodraeth Cymru i feddwl o ddifrif am hynny? Ac nid dim ond hynny. [Torri ar draws.] Yn sicr. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780874 405 En 2026-10-21T18:20:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=17402&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=17402&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780877 406 En 2026-10-21T18:21:07 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=17469&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=17469&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 12151 12151 Matthew Jones AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12151 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12151 Jones, Matthew What made you personally change your mind from June last year, when you voted against it, and January this year when you voted against an M4 relief road? Beth wnaeth i chi'n bersonol newid eich meddwl rhwng mis Mehefin y llynedd, pan wnaethoch chi bleidleisio yn ei erbyn, a mis Ionawr eleni pan wnaethoch chi bleidleisio yn erbyn ffordd liniaru'r M4? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780888 407 En 2026-10-21T18:21:15 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=17477&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=17477&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 332 332 Mike Hedges AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=332 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=332 Hedges, Mike Can I just ask you when the Nazzano method was put forward? I don't remember anybody apart from me having mentioned it. I envisage only widening the tunnels and two short lane carriageways either side. There are other methods—I mean, in Japan, they have the world's first large-scale tunnel widening—[Interruption.] Can I just finish this bit? In Japan, they have the world's first large-scale tunnel widening by shield machines. The rest of the world is widening tunnels. Why can't we? Certainly, Darren. A gaf i ofyn i chi pryd y soniwyd am ddull Nazzano? Nid wyf yn cofio unrhyw un ar wahân i mi'n sôn amdano. Rwy'n rhagweld lledu'r twnelau a dwy lôn fer y naill ochr a'r llall. Mae yna ddulliau eraill—hynny yw, yn Japan, mae ganddynt waith lledu twnelau cyntaf y byd ar raddfa fawr. A gaf i orffen y darn hwn? Yn Japan, mae ganddynt waith lledu twnelau cyntaf y byd ar raddfa fawr drwy ddefnyddio peiriannau tarian. Mae gweddill y byd yn lledu twnelau. Pam na allwn ni? Yn sicr, Darren. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780890 408 En 2026-10-21T18:21:47 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=17509&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=17509&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 171 171 Darren Millar AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=171 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=171 Millar, Darren I think we're all interested in the fact that you didn't answer the question that was put to you, which is: why have you changed your mind? I know we're talking about a road to Newport, but it's more like the road to Damascus—[Laughter.]—frankly, today, because you're saying extraordinarily different things than all of you were saying when you were a party in Government not that long ago. Rwy'n credu bod gennym i gyd ddiddordeb yn y ffaith na wnaethoch chi ateb y cwestiwn a ofynnwyd i chi, sef: pam eich bod chi wedi newid eich meddwl? Rwy'n gwybod ein bod ni'n siarad am ffordd i Gasnewydd, ond mae'n debycach i'r ffordd i Damascus—[Chwerthin.]—yn onest, heddiw, oherwydd rydych chi'n dweud pethau eithriadol o wahanol i'r hyn roeddech chi i gyd yn ei ddweud pan oeddech chi'n blaid mewn Llywodraeth heb fod mor bell â hynny'n ôl. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780891 409 En 2026-10-21T18:22:11 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=17533&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=17533&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 332 332 Mike Hedges AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=332 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=332 Hedges, Mike Well, can I just say, Darren, that you and I would both agree that what happened on the road to Damascus with Saul, who became Paul, was one of the greatest things that ever happened in world history? [Interruption.] So, I wouldn't go criticising that, but I'm just saying, and I've said this several times in the past, and I know Natasha has also talked about widening the tunnels—and without much support around, from you, Darren, for example—but widening the tunnels is an answer. It ought to be given a serious consideration. It doesn't mean driving kilometres through the Gwent levels. It just means widening the motorway going through those tunnels. It's happened in the rest of the world—why can't it happen here? Wel, a gaf i ddweud, Darren, y byddech chi a minnau'n cytuno bod yr hyn a ddigwyddodd ar y ffordd i Damascus gyda Saul, a ddaeth yn Paul, yn un o'r pethau mwyaf a ddigwyddodd erioed yn hanes y byd? [Torri ar draws.] Felly, ni fuaswn yn beirniadu hynny, ond rwyf ond yn dweud, ac rwyf i wedi dweud hyn sawl gwaith yn y gorffennol, ac rwy'n gwybod bod Natasha hefyd wedi siarad am ledu'r twnelau—a heb lawer o gefnogaeth gennych chi, Darren, er enghraifft—ond mae lledu'r twnelau yn ateb. Dylid rhoi ystyriaeth ddifrifol iddo. Nid yw'n golygu gyrru am gilomedrau trwy wastadeddau Gwent. Mae'n golygu lledu'r draffordd sy'n mynd trwy'r twnelau hynny. Mae wedi digwydd yng ngweddill y byd—pam na all ddigwydd yma? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780897 410 En 2026-10-21T18:22:57 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=17579&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=17579&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Diolch, Mike. I'm going to call one last person for a short contribution. Art Wright.  Diolch, Mike. Rwy'n mynd i alw un Aelod olaf am gyfraniad byr. Art Wright. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780898 411 En 2026-10-21T18:22:58 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=17580&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=17580&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 12157 12157 Art Wright AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12157 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12157 Wright, Art Diolch, Lywydd. I have been asked to shorten this debate, so I'll take no interventions, please, because I'm going to have to cut out as I go, because some people like to talk more than they should need to. [Laughter.] For more than 30 years, the Welsh Government has wrestled with M4 congestion around Newport, yet we are still here facing the same question today: the problem at Brynglas. The Welsh Government review considers several options, but says none alone or combined would fully resolve the M4 problem. Despite previous Governments spending £136.5 million already, the review estimates currently that around 25 per cent of peak-time traffic would need to be removed to avoid congestion unless road capacity is increased. Yet the package considered could only achieve 17 per cent, with planning to fail instead of planning to fix things. Take the proposed junction changes: £14 million could be spent closing junctions 27, 26, 25 for an estimated 3 per cent reduction. These are direct questions from residents. So, where does that traffic go? How much moves into Newport local roads? Which communities take that additional traffic? What happens to congestions on routes such as Queensway and the southern distributor road? And what happens to the journey times for drivers that live around those junctions? These questions matter even more with the housing growth that is coming to the area. Research supplied to me already estimates between 7,100 and 7,400 homes have been built across the four former Gwent authorities since 2019. Most of the councils are now sending out their regional development plans. Newport plans just shy of 400 homes; Monmouth to provide between 5,400 and 6,200 homes. Caerphilly identifies 7,400 new homes by 2035. Torfaen and Blaenau Gwent are still developing theirs, so their numbers will be added at a later date. Now, Minister, not every home puts another car on the M4, but more homes mean more people, more journeys in the long run. The review says that benefits are uncertain because of future growth and that latent demand could take up capacity over time. It also says that no new transport modelling was undertaken in the review. So, Minister, how long will these proposals work? How quickly could the growing demand wipe out the 3 per cent reduction? Where is the modelling that includes thousands of new homes? The review reflects a greater emphasis on sustainable travel and carbon reduction, but the Minister must answer this: is the primary objective to solve the M4 capacity problem or to get people out of their cars in the pursuit of wider net-zero objectives? They are not necessarily the same thing. The review says public transport improvements will help, but to a limited extent. I'm going to have to skip over some, because I'm aware you want me to keep the time down. When Welsh Labour, the Government, cancelled the black route, it was estimated that the cost at the time was £1.4 billion. I'm not suggesting that £1.4 billion would still be today's price, but it would need recalculating. That is precisely the point—why exclude it before the calculation is made? The review says a new motorway was excluded primarily because of likely affordability and environmental and planning challenges. Surely, those must be assessed and compared so that we can compare apples with apples. So, why not give us today's cost of the black route? Give us the full cost of the alternative packages. Show us the congestion reduction that each would achieve. Show us the additional capacity that each would provide. Include future housing growth in every model. And then tell us how long each option's benefits are expected to last. Show us where the displaced traffic goes. Show us what happens to the 1,000 more homes built. Show us what every option costs and delivers, and give the black route the same test. If the Government alternative provides the best long-term answer, let the evidence demonstrate it. But if it costs more, delivers less, and leaves Newport with a capacity problem, the black route should be put back on the table. Finally, Minister, a few weeks ago, when we discussed the M4 before, I asked you if you would listen to the residents of Newport. Two petitions have been raised: one by Labour, which has achieved 5,846 signatures as of yesterday morning, and one sponsored by Reform Members, which has reached 13,713. Will you now listen to their voices? Diolch, Lywydd. Gofynnwyd i mi fyrhau'r ddadl hon, felly ni fyddaf yn derbyn unrhyw ymyriadau, os gwelwch yn dda, oherwydd rwy'n mynd i orfod torri wrth i mi fynd, am fod rhai pobl yn hoffi siarad mwy nag y dylai fod angen. [Chwerthin.] Am fwy na 30 mlynedd, mae Llywodraeth Cymru wedi ymrafael â thagfeydd yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd, ond rydym yn dal yma'n wynebu'r un cwestiwn heddiw: y broblem ym Mryn-glas. Mae adolygiad Llywodraeth Cymru yn ystyried sawl opsiwn, ond mae'n dweud na fyddai unrhyw un ar ei ben ei hun neu'n gyfunol yn datrys problem yr M4 yn llawn. Er bod Llywodraethau blaenorol wedi gwario £136.5 miliwn eisoes, mae'r adolygiad yn amcangyfrif ar hyn o bryd y byddai angen cael gwared ar oddeutu 25 y cant o draffig oriau brig er mwyn osgoi tagfeydd oni bai bod capasiti ffyrdd yn cael ei gynyddu. Ond dim ond 17 y cant y gallai'r pecyn a ystyriwyd ei gyrraedd, gan gynllunio i fethu yn hytrach na chynllunio i drwsio pethau. Cymerwch y newidiadau arfaethedig i'r cyffyrdd: gellid gwario £14 miliwn ar gau cyffyrdd 27, 26, 25 am ostyngiad o 3 y cant. Mae'r rhain yn gwestiynau uniongyrchol gan drigolion. Felly, ble mae'r traffig hwnnw'n mynd? Faint sy'n symud i ffyrdd lleol Casnewydd? Pa gymunedau sy'n cymryd y traffig ychwanegol hwnnw? Beth sy'n digwydd i dagfeydd ar lwybrau fel Queensway a'r ffordd ddosbarthu ddeheuol? A beth sy'n digwydd i amseroedd teithio gyrwyr sy'n byw o gwmpas y cyffyrdd hynny? Mae'r cwestiynau hyn hyd yn oed yn fwy pwysig gyda'r cynnydd yn nifer y tai sy'n dod i'r ardal. Mae ymchwil a ddarparwyd i mi eisoes yn amcangyfrif bod rhwng 7,100 a 7,400 o gartrefi wedi'u hadeiladu ar draws pedwar hen awdurdod Gwent ers 2019. Mae'r rhan fwyaf o'r cynghorau bellach yn anfon eu cynlluniau datblygu rhanbarthol allan. Mae Casnewydd yn cynllunio ar gyfer ychydig bach o dan 400 o gartrefi; Trefynwy i ddarparu rhwng 5,400 a 6,200 o gartrefi. Mae Caerffili'n nodi 7,400 o gartrefi newydd erbyn 2035. Mae Torfaen a Blaenau Gwent yn dal i ddatblygu eu cynlluniau nhw, felly bydd eu niferoedd yn cael eu hychwanegu yn nes ymlaen. Nawr, Weinidog, nid yw pob cartref yn rhoi car arall ar yr M4, ond mae mwy o gartrefi yn golygu mwy o bobl, mwy o deithiau yn y tymor hir. Mae'r adolygiad yn dweud bod buddion yn ansicr oherwydd twf yn y dyfodol ac y gallai galw nas bodlonir lyncu capasiti dros amser. Mae hefyd yn dweud nad oedd unrhyw fodelu trafnidiaeth newydd wedi'i wneud yn yr adolygiad. Felly, Weinidog, pa mor hir y bydd y cynigion hyn yn gweithio? Pa mor gyflym y gallai'r galw cynyddol ddileu'r gostyngiad o 3 y cant? Ble mae'r modelu sy'n cynnwys miloedd o gartrefi newydd? Mae'r adolygiad yn rhoi mwy o bwyslais ar deithio cynaliadwy a lleihau carbon, ond rhaid i'r Gweinidog ateb hyn: ai'r prif amcan yw datrys problem capasiti M4 neu gael pobl allan o'u ceir ar drywydd amcanion sero net ehangach? Nid ydynt o reidrwydd yr un peth. Mae'r adolygiad yn dweud y bydd gwelliannau i drafnidiaeth gyhoeddus yn helpu, ond i raddau cyfyngedig. Rwy'n mynd i orfod hepgor rhywfaint, oherwydd rwy'n ymwybodol eich bod chi eisiau imi fod yn fyr. Pan ganslodd Llafur Cymru, y Llywodraeth, y llwybr du, amcangyfrifwyd mai'r gost ar y pryd oedd £1.4 biliwn. Nid wyf yn awgrymu mai £1.4 biliwn fyddai'r pris heddiw, ond byddai angen ei ailgyfrifo. Dyna'n union yw'r pwynt—pam ei wrthod cyn i'r cyfrifiad gael ei wneud? Mae'r adolygiad yn dweud bod traffordd newydd wedi'i gwrthod yn bennaf oherwydd heriau tebygol mewn perthynas â fforddiadwyedd, yr amgylchedd a chynllunio. Yn sicr, mae'n rhaid asesu a chymharu'r rheini fel y gallwn gymharu'n deg. Felly, beth am roi cost y llwybr du i ni heddiw? Rhowch gost lawn y pecynnau amgen i ni. Dangoswch i ni'r gostyngiad yn y tagfeydd y byddai pob un yn ei gyflawni. Dangoswch i ni'r capasiti ychwanegol y byddai pob un yn ei ddarparu. Cynhwyswch dwf y cyflenwad tai yn y dyfodol ym mhob model. Ac yna dywedwch wrthym pa mor hir y disgwylir i fuddion pob opsiwn bara. Dangoswch i ni ble mae'r traffig a ddadleolir yn mynd. Dangoswch i ni beth sy'n digwydd i'r 1,000 yn fwy o gartrefi a adeiladir. Dangoswch i ni beth y mae pob opsiwn yn ei gostio a'i gyflawni, a rhowch yr un prawf i'r llwybr du. Os yw'r Llywodraeth yn darparu'r ateb hirdymor gorau, gadewch i'r dystiolaeth ei ddangos. Ond os yw'n costio mwy, yn darparu llai, ac yn gadael Casnewydd gyda phroblem capasiti, dylid rhoi'r llwybr du yn ôl ar y bwrdd. Yn olaf, Weinidog, ychydig wythnosau yn ôl, pan wnaethom drafod yr M4, gofynnais i chi a fyddech chi'n gwrando ar drigolion Casnewydd. Mae dwy ddeiseb ar waith: un gan Lafur, sydd wedi denu 5,846 o lofnodion erbyn bore ddoe, ac un a gefnogwyd gan Aelodau Reform, sydd wedi cyrraedd 13,713. A wnewch chi wrando ar eu lleisiau nhw nawr? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780873 412 En 2026-10-21T18:25:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=17702&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=17702&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780882 413 Cy 2026-10-21T18:28:14 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=17896&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=17896&l=en 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Galwaf ar y Dirprwy Weinidog dros Drafnidiaeth, Mark Hooper. I call on the Deputy Minister for Transport, Mark Hooper. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780884 414 Cy 2026-10-21T18:28:20 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=17902&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=17902&l=en 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 4822 4822 Mark Hooper AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4822 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4822 Deputy Minister for Transport Y Dirprwy Weinidog Trafnidiaeth Hooper, Mark Lywydd, hoffwn ddechrau gyda rhywbeth rydyn ni i gyd yn cytuno arno: mae tagfeydd ar y M4 o amgylch Casnewydd yn broblem fawr i bobl, busnesau a chymunedau. Llywydd, I'd like to begin with a point on which we are all agreed: congestion on the M4 around Newport is a major problem for people, businesses and communities.  16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780885 415 En 2026-10-21T18:28:39 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=17921&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=17921&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 4822 4822 Mark Hooper AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4822 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4822 Hooper, Mark I welcome the opportunity to respond to this debate. And in the first instance, I want to directly reference a point that Jayne made, that the people of Newport aren't just data points in this, and they're really important to the work I'll be doing. You need to know that from the very start, as the first point that you made. Everyone in this Siambr recognises that congestion on the M4 around Newport affects people's daily lives, businesses and the wider economy of the south-east of Wales. The question is how we solve it. This is a question that Labour proved itself completely incapable of answering in over a quarter of a century. We have done what the last Labour Government didn't: we have set out a clear route towards a real, deliverable solution. We are being honest about both the scale of the challenge and the work needed to address it. That is why I am proud to move the Government amendment. Let us be clear about where we are today. There was previously a relief-road proposal for the M4 around Newport—one that had cost tens of millions to develop. Labour Ministers decided not to proceed with it. Labour Ministers subsequently removed protection for this route. What was called the black route is no longer a live proposition because of these decisions. Art, in your question, then, you talked about the black route and you were in the meeting when we talked about why this is no longer a viable solution. If the Reform spokesperson had bothered to turn up to the technical briefing I made available, he would be in no doubt about this either. Rwy'n croesawu'r cyfle i ymateb i'r ddadl hon. Ac yn y lle cyntaf, rwyf am gyfeirio'n uniongyrchol at bwynt a wnaeth Jayne, nad pwyntiau data'n unig yn hyn yw pobl Casnewydd, a'u bod yn bwysig iawn i'r gwaith y byddaf yn ei wneud. Mae angen i chi wybod hynny o'r cychwyn cyntaf, fel y pwynt cyntaf a wnaethoch. Mae pawb yn y Siambr yn cydnabod bod tagfeydd ar yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd yn effeithio ar fywydau beunyddiol pobl, busnesau ac economi ehangach de-ddwyrain Cymru. Y cwestiwn yw sut yr awn ati i'w datrys. Mae hwn yn gwestiwn y profodd Llafur ei hun yn gwbl analluog i'w ateb mewn dros chwarter canrif. Rydym wedi gwneud yr hyn na wnaeth y Llywodraeth Lafur ddiwethaf: rydym wedi gosod llwybr clir tuag at ateb go iawn y gellir ei gyflawni. Rydym yn onest am faint yr her a'r gwaith sydd ei angen i fynd i'r afael â hi. Dyna pam rwy'n falch o gynnig gwelliant y Llywodraeth. Gadewch inni fod yn glir ynglŷn â ble rydym ni heddiw. Yn flaenorol, roedd yna gynnig ar gyfer ffordd liniaru'r M4 o amgylch Casnewydd—un a oedd wedi costio degau o filiynau i'w ddatblygu. Penderfynodd Gweinidogion Llafur beidio â bwrw ymlaen ag ef. Yn dilyn hynny, rhoddodd Gweinidogion Llafur y gorau i ddiogelu'r llwybr hwn. Nid yw'r hyn a elwid yn llwybr du bellach yn gynnig byw oherwydd y penderfyniadau hyn. Yn eich cwestiwn chi felly, Art, fe wnaethoch chi siarad am y llwybr du ac roeddech chi yn y cyfarfod pan oeddem yn trafod pam nad yw hwn bellach yn ateb hyfyw. Pe bai llefarydd Reform wedi trafferthu mynychu'r briff technegol a ddarparais, ni fyddai ganddo ef unrhyw amheuaeth am hyn chwaith. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780940 416 En 2026-10-21T18:30:32 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=18034&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=18034&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 4822 4822 Mark Hooper AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4822 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4822 Hooper, Mark The motion calls for a relief road. If opposition Members are serious about solving this issue, they need to answer some basic questions. What road? On what routes? Through what planning and consenting process? And how quickly could it be realistically delivered? No opposition—[Interruption.] I'm not taking—. You've tried a lot, Ken. No opposition Member has brought forward workable answers to these questions today, but they are exactly the questions a responsible Government must answer before committing to major infrastructure. That is why the announcement I made on 6 October was important. We took a clear strategic decision that road-based and engineering solutions must form part of the long-term answer to congestion on the M4 around Newport. There is no debate about whether roads should form part of the solution. We have accepted that they should. The task now is to identify the right solution and establish a credible route to delivery. That is why the centrepiece of our approach is an 18-month study of engineering, technical and appraisal work. This is not—[Interruption.] No, Mike. This is not another exercise in deciding whether there is a problem or whether action is needed. Those questions have already been answered. The purpose of this work is to identify the preferred road and engineering solution, assess its deliverability, understand its impacts and establish a realistic pathway to implementation. In short, it is about moving from recognising the problem to delivering the solution. The motion claims that our response is inadequate. What is inadequate is calling for a relief road without identifying which road is being proposed, whether it remains deliverable and how it would actually be taken forward. The motion also calls on the Government to rule out junction closures. I understand why this issue has generated debate, but I'd like to correct some of the commentary surrounding it, much of it coming from the opposition benches, including from Natasha's contribution earlier. The report published alongside my statement does not recommend the closure of the three junctions. It identifies options for further investigation, including the closure of junction 27 at High Cross and restrictions to east-facing slips at junctions 25 and 26. Those are not Government decisions, they are options for investigation. The purpose of the work now under way is to determine whether any form of junction restriction could contribute to a wider solution and, if so, under what circumstances. That means understanding the impacts on communities, businesses, local roads and road users, alongside any potential benefits for motorway performance and resilience. This is a question we've been asked a lot in this, about the evidence. One of the things that the report has done—. We've shared that report in full sight of everyone, including the public. We will maintain that level of transparency throughout this process and share it as we go. It means engagement with local authorities, businesses, communities and other stakeholders. And it means following the evidence. If the evidence shows an option will not deliver the outcomes required, it will not be taken forward. In short, we have not announced a programme of junction closures. What we have announced is further technical work to assess whether junction restrictions should form part of a wider solution to improve the operation and resilience of the M4 around Newport. Llywydd, the most important decision that I announced on 6 October was that a significant road and engineering intervention is required, and that we should begin the detailed work necessary to identify it. This is the fundamental shift this Government has made, but critically, while that long-term solution is developed, we are also acting now. Where previous Labour transport Ministers neglected it, we are investing in the resilience and reliability as a critical national asset. We are progressing maintenance and renewal work on key infrastructure that, to be frank, the previous Government could and should have undertaken, and it didn't. We are improving freight movement across the region, and we are supporting improvements to rail and bus connectivity—improvements that the previous Government championed, but which Labour has dropped completely from this motion. Including in our conversations with the UK Government, I am proud that Plaid Cymru is taking delivering the Burns stations seriously. And here too I'd argue that we've made more progress on this in five months than Labour managed in five years. These are practical actions that can deliver benefits now while the longer term engineering solution is developed. Success will not come— Mae'r cynnig yn galw am ffordd liniaru. Os yw Aelodau'r gwrthbleidiau o ddifrif ynglŷn â datrys y mater hwn, mae angen iddynt ateb rhai cwestiynau sylfaenol. Pa ffordd? Ar ba lwybrau? Drwy ba broses gynllunio a chydsynio? A pha mor gyflym y gellid ei gyflwyno'n realistig? Nid oes un wrthblaid—[Torri ar draws.] Nid wyf yn derbyn—. Rydych chi wedi ceisio sawl gwaith, Ken. Nid oes unrhyw Aelod o'r wrthblaid wedi cyflwyno atebion ymarferol i'r cwestiynau hyn heddiw, ond dyma'r union gwestiynau y mae'n rhaid i Lywodraeth gyfrifol eu hateb cyn ymrwymo i seilwaith mawr. Dyna pam roedd y cyhoeddiad a wneuthum ar 6 Hydref yn bwysig. Gwnaethom benderfyniad strategol clir fod yn rhaid i atebion ffyrdd a pheirianneg ffurfio rhan o'r ateb hirdymor i dagfeydd ar yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd. Nid oes unrhyw ddadl na ddylai ffyrdd fod yn rhan o'r ateb. Rydym wedi derbyn y dylent. Y dasg nawr yw nodi'r ateb cywir a sefydlu llwybr credadwy i gyflawniad. Dyna pam mai canolbwynt ein dull o weithredu yw astudiaeth 18 mis o waith peirianegol, technegol ac arfarnu. Nid yw hyn yn—[Torri ar draws.] Na, Mike. Nid ymarfer arall i benderfynu a oes problem neu a oes angen gweithredu yw hwn. Mae'r cwestiynau hynny eisoes wedi'u hateb. Pwrpas y gwaith hwn yw nodi'r datrysiad ffyrdd a pheirianneg a ffefrir, asesu pa mor gyflawnadwy ydyw, deall ei effeithiau a sefydlu llwybr realistig ar gyfer gweithredu. Yn fyr, mae'n ymwneud â symud o gydnabod y broblem i ddarparu'r ateb. Mae'r cynnig yn honni bod ein hymateb yn annigonol. Yr hyn sy'n annigonol yw galw am ffordd liniaru heb nodi pa ffordd sy'n cael ei chynnig, a yw'n parhau i fod yn gyflawnadwy a sut y byddai'r cynllun yn cael ei ddatblygu mewn gwirionedd. Mae'r cynnig hefyd yn galw ar y Llywodraeth i ddiystyru cau cyffyrdd. Rwy'n deall pam y mae'r mater hwn wedi creu dadl, ond hoffwn gywiro rhywfaint o'r sylwebaeth sy'n gysylltiedig ag ef, gyda llawer ohono'n dod oddi ar feinciau'r gwrthbleidiau, gan gynnwys o gyfraniad Natasha yn gynharach. Nid yw'r adroddiad a gyhoeddwyd ochr yn ochr â fy natganiad yn argymell cau'r tair cyffordd. Mae'n nodi opsiynau ar gyfer ymchwiliad pellach, gan gynnwys cau cyffordd 27 yn High Cross a chyfyngiadau ar slipffyrdd sy'n wynebu'r dwyrain ar gyffyrdd 25 a 26. Nid penderfyniadau'r Llywodraeth yw'r rhain, maent yn opsiynau i'w harchwilio. Pwrpas y gwaith sydd ar y gweill bellach yw penderfynu a allai unrhyw fath o gyfyngiad ar gyffordd gyfrannu at ddatrysiad ehangach ac os felly, o dan ba amgylchiadau. Mae hynny'n golygu deall yr effeithiau ar gymunedau, busnesau, ffyrdd lleol a defnyddwyr ffyrdd, ochr yn ochr ag unrhyw fanteision posibl i berfformiad a gwydnwch y draffordd. Mae hwn yn gwestiwn a ofynnwyd yn aml i ni yn hyn, am y dystiolaeth. Un o'r pethau y mae'r adroddiad wedi'i wneud—. Rydym wedi rhannu'r adroddiad hwnnw yng ngolwg pawb, gan gynnwys y cyhoedd. Byddwn yn cynnal y lefel honno o dryloywder trwy gydol y broses ac yn ei rhannu wrth inni fynd. Mae'n golygu ymgysylltu ag awdurdodau lleol, busnesau, cymunedau a rhanddeiliaid eraill. Ac mae'n golygu dilyn y dystiolaeth. Os yw'r dystiolaeth yn dangos na fydd opsiwn yn cyflawni'r canlyniadau gofynnol, ni fydd yn cael ei ddatblygu. Yn fyr, nid ydym wedi cyhoeddi rhaglen ar gyfer cau cyffyrdd. Yr hyn a gyhoeddwyd gennym yw gwaith technegol pellach i asesu a ddylai cyfyngiadau ar gyffyrdd fod yn rhan o ddatrysiad ehangach i wella gweithrediad a gwydnwch yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd. Lywydd, y penderfyniad pwysicaf a gyhoeddais ar 6 Hydref oedd bod angen ymyrraeth sylweddol o ran ffyrdd a pheirianneg, ac y dylem ddechrau'r gwaith manwl sy'n angenrheidiol i'w nodi. Dyma'r newid sylfaenol y mae'r Llywodraeth hon wedi'i wneud, ond yn allweddol, tra bod yr ateb hirdymor hwnnw'n cael ei ddatblygu, rydym hefyd yn gweithredu nawr. Lle roedd Gweinidogion trafnidiaeth blaenorol Llafur wedi ei esgeuluso, rydym yn buddsoddi mewn gwydnwch a dibynadwyedd fel ased cenedlaethol hanfodol. Rydym yn bwrw ymlaen â gwaith cynnal a chadw ac adnewyddu ar seilwaith allweddol y gallai'r Llywodraeth flaenorol fod wedi mynd i'r afael ag ef, a bod yn onest, ac ni wnaeth. Rydym yn gwella symudiad trafnidiaeth cludo nwyddau ar draws y rhanbarth, ac rydym yn cefnogi gwelliannau i gysylltedd rheilffyrdd a bysiau—gwelliannau a hyrwyddwyd gan y Llywodraeth flaenorol, ond a ddiystyrwyd yn llwyr gan Lafur yn y cynnig hwn. Gan gynnwys yn ein sgyrsiau gyda Llywodraeth y DU, rwy'n falch fod Plaid Cymru o ddifrif ynghylch cyflwyno gorsafoedd Burns. Ac yma hefyd buaswn yn dadlau ein bod wedi gwneud mwy o gynnydd ar hyn mewn pum mis nag y llwyddodd Llafur i'w wneud mewn pum mlynedd. Mae'r rhain yn gamau gweithredu ymarferol a all ddarparu buddion nawr tra bod yr ateb peirianegol mwy hirdymor yn cael ei ddatblygu. Ni ddaw llwyddiant— 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780887 417 En 2026-10-21T18:35:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=18302&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=18302&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780895 418 En 2026-10-21T18:36:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=18362&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=18362&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 12160 12160 Stephen Senior AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12160 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12160 Senior, Stephen Will you take an intervention? A wnewch chi dderbyn ymyriad? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780896 419 En 2026-10-21T18:36:01 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=18363&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=18363&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 4822 4822 Mark Hooper AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4822 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4822 Hooper, Mark I'm not taking interventions, sorry, Stephen.  Success will not come from a single measure in isolation. It will come from combining a major road and engineering intervention with improvements to the existing motorway and wider transport measures that support economic growth and improve connectivity. That is the balanced approach we have set out. We are looking to reduce peak traffic on the M4 around Newport by around 10 per cent. That would be an order of magnitude greater than anything Labour ever attempted in 27 years. That represents a clear ambition to make measurable progress whilst longer term solutions are developed.  As the work progresses, people and businesses must have a genuine opportunity to contribute. The decisions we will take will affect communities across the region. People rightly expect to be informed, consulted and listened to, and I have made a commitment to do it. [Interruption.] I'm coming towards the end.  Llywydd, the people and businesses who rely on the M4 have waited long enough for progress. We have made a clear decision that road and engineering interventions must form part of the long-term solution. This is a serious and credible approach, focused on delivery, rather than opportunism and slogans. Others may want to play politics here—[Laughter.] Nid wyf yn derbyn ymyriadau, mae'n ddrwg gennyf, Stephen. Ni ddaw llwyddiant o un mesur ar ei ben ei hun. Fe ddaw o gyfuno ymyrraeth ffyrdd a pheirianneg fawr gyda gwelliannau i'r draffordd bresennol a mesurau trafnidiaeth ehangach sy'n cefnogi twf economaidd a gwella cysylltedd. Dyna'r dull cytbwys rydym wedi'i nodi. Rydym yn awyddus i leihau traffig oriau brig ar yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd oddeutu 10 y cant. Byddai hynny'n llawer iawn mwy nag unrhyw beth y ceisiodd Llafur ei wneud mewn 27 mlynedd. Mae hynny'n dangos uchelgais clir i wneud cynnydd mesuradwy tra bod atebion mwy hirdymor yn cael eu datblygu. Wrth i'r gwaith fynd rhagddo, rhaid i bobl a busnesau gael cyfle gwirioneddol i gyfrannu. Bydd y penderfyniadau a wnawn yn effeithio ar gymunedau ledled y rhanbarth. Mae pobl yn iawn i ddisgwyl cael eu hysbysu, eu cynnwys a'u clywed, ac rwyf wedi ymrwymo i wneud hynny. [Torri ar draws.] Rwy'n dod tuag at y diwedd. Lywydd, mae'r bobl a'r busnesau sy'n dibynnu ar yr M4 wedi aros yn ddigon hir am gynnydd. Rydym wedi gwneud penderfyniad clir fod yn rhaid i ymyriadau ffyrdd a pheirianneg fod yn rhan o'r ateb hirdymor. Mae hon yn ymagwedd ddifrifol a chredadwy, sy'n canolbwyntio ar gyflawni, yn hytrach nag oportiwnistiaeth a sloganau. Efallai fod eraill eisiau chwarae gwleidyddiaeth yma—[Chwerthin.] 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780902 420 En 2026-10-21T18:37:33 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=18455&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=18455&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Could you conclude now, please? A wnewch chi ddirwyn i ben nawr, os gwelwch yn dda? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780903 421 En 2026-10-21T18:37:34 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=18456&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=18456&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 4822 4822 Mark Hooper AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4822 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4822 Hooper, Mark —I don't. Diolch yn fawr iawn.  —nid wyf i. Diolch yn fawr iawn. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780905 422 Cy 2026-10-21T18:37:39 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=18461&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=18461&l=en 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Galwaf ar Jayne Bryant i ymateb i'r ddadl.  I call on Jayne Bryant to reply to the debate.  16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780906 423 En 2026-10-21T18:37:42 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=18464&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=18464&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 5038 5038 Jayne Bryant AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5038 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5038 Bryant, Jayne Diolch, Llywydd. One way to start is to have a bit of a laugh after that one, about not playing politics. I'd just like to thank everybody for their contributions to this debate today. Since being elected in 2016, I've always said that inaction is not an option, but the people of Newport and the surrounding area must not pay the price of costly options that this Government's report says won't solve the problem on the M4 around Newport. What has been missing as well, for many Members who perhaps don't realise, is that this report was actually commissioned by the previous Labour Government and the Labour transport Minister at the time. So, what we're discussing, which the report is based on, is actually something that has come out from the previous Government.  I realise that many Members might not have realised my contributions in the past Senedds, and that I did not vote to scrap the M4 relief road. I think that many Members here perhaps don't realise that. I spoke up at every opportunity throughout that time when it was being discussed, so just to be aware of that. You might think that junction closures are quick fixes, but they will make next to no difference to congestion on the M4 and certainly cause havoc on local roads. And we've heard that from many Members across the Chamber today.  Lyn Ackerman spoke earlier, and I think, from your contribution, Lyn, we weren't clear, and perhaps we could assume that you are not against the proposed junction closures. And also, to other Plaid Members as well, if you remember the time of a junction closure which was junction 41 around Swansea, that was temporarily closed by a Labour Government, but it was campaigned on by Plaid Cymru Members to reopen that junction at the time. And I would be interested to know—at the time, the Labour Government listened to Plaid Cymru Members—if the Plaid Cymru Government will listen to other Members in this Chamber, so I look forward to seeing that.  Natasha, I absolutely do agree with your points on the junction closures. I went to visit a group of pensioners a couple of weeks ago, and the only thing they wanted to talk to me about was proposed junction closures, whether temporary or permanent. They were very, very concerned about that. The other thing that has been missing from a number of people's contributions is a collective memory loss, that, actually, Plaid Cymru also voted to reject the M4 relief road at the time, and it was a Plaid Cymru Minister in 2009 who rejected the M4 relief road that put us back, and Plaid Cymru voted with the Labour Party, so not myself, to stop the M4 relief road last time. Paul Rock, I should say, 'pen-blwydd hapus', first of all. I think we'd all like to say that to you, Paul, on your birthday. I have said that the black route is not an option, but I do think—and I would encourage you to look at the Arup report—when you talk about the freight that would go off, the Arup report also highlights that would only take up to 1 per cent of traffic off the road. So, just be aware of that, because there are a number of these issues that I think people haven't looked into, into that depth yet. But it would only take 1 per cent of traffic off the M4 around Newport. Public transport absolutely does have a role to play, and Welsh Labour championed the Burns stations, and we now need to see that similar level of commitment to these stations from Plaid Cymru. The evidence is, though, clear that public transport interventions have to be delivered alongside a revised relief road, and that's the only option that provides resilience and reduces congestion. We've heard some warm words from the Welsh Government today and I am hopeful of engagement with local people. I know the Deputy Minister has said again today about the importance of that, something I very strongly place an importance on. I feel, too many times over the years, the people of Newport's voice has not been heard to the extent that it should have been heard—[Interruption.] Pardon? Of all parties, as I said, of all parties. I have championed my constituents over that time, and I've spoken up, and I feel that these—. I would hope that the Government would also take that engagement with local people seriously. Unfortunately, we haven't seen that at the moment. Some decisions and options have been presented to local people, and they feel that they haven't had their say in all of this so far. So, I look forward to understanding, as does Natasha, how you will engage with local people throughout this time, because their voice absolutely needs to be heard. This is why we in Welsh Labour believe that local people do need to shape this answer to the decades-old problem at the M4 around Newport, and we know that it shouldn't be an experiment that I feel like we're seeing today. The Welsh Government should begin work immediately on what an appropriate relief road could look like to meet the needs of a growing city. And that has changed: Newport is, as I said, the fastest growing city, it's a young city, so we have to be aware of that. Mike Hedges talked about that this is not just a particular—. This, obviously, is an issue we're talking about today, but we do know there are other resilience issues around the road network in Wales. Mike mentioned the M4 around Swansea. Ken talked about building roads better and investment in growth. I think an appropriate relief road would have the innovation to drive down and embed carbon and promote alternatives to private transport, and it should act as a template for responsible road building that others can follow. I think it's something that we can do to lead the world here. Art mentioned—[Interruption.] I'd like to go to Art, sorry, James; I'm out of time otherwise. But I would like to mention Art, who contributed as well, who mentioned the homes that have been built, and mentioned the points in the report, and that the Government is at the moment planning to fail. But different funding options should be explored, as we have said. We need to listen to the local leaders who work with local communities to solve this problem. Give it to leaders who innovate and inspire an effective solution. So, let's put people above politics and vote for this motion today. Diolch. Diolch, Lywydd. Un ffordd o ddechrau yw drwy chwerthin yn dilyn y sylw am beidio â chwarae gwleidyddiaeth. Hoffwn ddiolch i bawb am eu cyfraniadau i'r ddadl hon heddiw. Ers cael fy ethol yn 2016, rwyf bob amser wedi dweud nad yw diffyg gweithredu'n opsiwn, ond rhaid i bobl Casnewydd a'r ardal gyfagos beidio â thalu'r pris am opsiynau costus y mae adroddiad y Llywodraeth hon yn dweud na fyddant yn datrys y broblem ar yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd. Yr hyn sydd wedi bod ar goll hefyd, i lawer o Aelodau nad ydynt yn sylweddoli hynny, yw bod yr adroddiad hwn wedi'i gomisiynu gan y Llywodraeth Lafur flaenorol a'r Gweinidog trafnidiaeth Llafur ar y pryd. Felly, mae'r hyn rydym yn ei drafod, y mae'r adroddiad yn seiliedig arno, yn rhywbeth a ddeilliodd o'r Llywodraeth flaenorol. Rwy'n sylweddoli efallai y bydd llawer o Aelodau na wnaethant glywed fy nghyfraniadau i yn y Senedd yn y gorffennol yn sylweddoli na wneuthum bleidleisio dros ddileu ffordd liniaru'r M4. Nid wyf yn credu bod llawer o'r Aelodau yma yn sylweddoli hynny o bosibl. Fe fanteisiais ar bob cyfle i siarad drwy gydol y cyfnod hwnnw pan oedd yn cael ei drafod, felly hoffwn i chi fod yn ymwybodol o hynny. Efallai y byddwch chi'n meddwl bod cau cyffyrdd yn atebion cyflym, ond prin y byddant yn gwneud unrhyw wahaniaeth o gwbl i dagfeydd ar yr M4 ac yn sicr byddant yn achosi anhrefn ar ffyrdd lleol. A chlywsom hynny gan lawer o'r Aelodau ar draws y Siambr heddiw. Siaradodd Lyn Ackerman yn gynharach, ac rwy'n credu, o'ch cyfraniad chi, Lyn, nad oeddem yn glir, ac efallai y gallwn gymryd yn ganiataol nad ydych chi yn erbyn y cynnig i gau cyffyrdd. Ac i Aelodau eraill o Blaid Cymru hefyd, os ydych chi'n cofio'r adeg y caewyd cyffordd 41 o amgylch Abertawe, cafodd honno ei chau dros dro gan Lywodraeth Lafur, ond cafwyd ymgyrch gan Aelodau Plaid Cymru i ailagor y gyffordd honno ar y pryd. A hoffwn wybod—ar y pryd, fe wrandawodd y Llywodraeth Lafur ar Aelodau Plaid Cymru—a fydd Llywodraeth Plaid Cymru yn gwrando ar Aelodau eraill yn y Siambr hon, felly edrychaf ymlaen at weld hynny. Natasha, rwy'n cytuno'n llwyr â'ch pwyntiau ar gau'r cyffyrdd. Ymwelais â grŵp o bensiynwyr ychydig wythnosau yn ôl, a'r unig beth roeddent eisiau siarad â mi yn ei gylch oedd y cynnig i gau cyffyrdd, dros dro neu'n barhaol. Roeddent yn bryderus iawn ynglŷn â hynny. Y peth arall sydd wedi bod ar goll o gyfraniadau nifer o bobl yw'r ffordd nad oes neb i'w weld yn cofio bod Plaid Cymru hefyd wedi pleidleisio dros wrthod ffordd liniaru'r M4 ar y pryd, a Gweinidog Plaid Cymru yn 2009 a wrthododd ffordd liniaru'r M4 gan wneud inni gymryd cam yn ôl, a phleidleisiodd Plaid Cymru gyda'r Blaid Lafur, felly nid fi fy hun, dros atal ffordd liniaru'r M4 y tro diwethaf. Paul Rock, dylwn ddweud pen-blwydd hapus yn gyntaf oll. Rwy'n credu y byddem i gyd yn hoffi dweud hynny wrthych chi, Paul, ar eich pen-blwydd. Rwyf wedi dweud nad yw'r llwybr du yn opsiwn, ond rwy'n meddwl—a buaswn yn eich annog chi i edrych ar adroddiad Arup—pan fyddwch chi'n siarad am y drafnidiaeth cludo nwyddau a fyddai'n diflannu, mae adroddiad Arup hefyd yn nodi mai hyd at 1 y cant o'r traffig y byddai hynny'n ei dynnu oddi ar y ffordd. Felly, byddwch yn ymwybodol o hynny, oherwydd mae yna nifer o'r materion hyn y credaf nad yw pobl wedi edrych arnynt mor ddwfn â hynny eto. Ond dim ond 1 y cant o'r traffig y byddai hynny'n ei dynnu oddi ar yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd. Mae gan drafnidiaeth gyhoeddus rôl i'w chwarae, ac mae Llafur Cymru wedi hyrwyddo gorsafoedd Burns, ac mae angen inni weld lefel debyg o ymrwymiad i'r gorsafoedd hyn gan Blaid Cymru nawr. Mae'r dystiolaeth yn glir, fodd bynnag, fod yn rhaid cyflwyno ymyriadau trafnidiaeth gyhoeddus ochr yn ochr â ffordd liniaru ddiwygiedig, a dyna'r unig opsiwn sy'n darparu gwydnwch ac yn lleihau tagfeydd. Rydym wedi clywed geiriau cynnes gan Lywodraeth Cymru heddiw ac rwy'n gobeithio ymgysylltu â phobl leol. Rwy'n gwybod bod y Dirprwy Weinidog wedi siarad unwaith eto heddiw am bwysigrwydd hynny, rhywbeth rwy'n ei bwysleisio'n gryf iawn. Ormod o weithiau dros y blynyddoedd, rwy'n teimlo nad yw llais pobl Casnewydd wedi cael ei glywed i'r graddau y dylid ei glywed—[Torri ar draws.] Mae'n ddrwg gennyf? O'r holl bleidiau, fel y dywedais, o bob plaid. Rwyf wedi cefnogi fy etholwyr dros y cyfnod hwnnw, ac rwyf wedi codi llais, ac rwy'n teimlo bod—. Rwy'n gobeithio y byddai'r Llywodraeth hefyd o ddifrif ynghylch yr ymgysylltiad hwnnw â phobl leol. Yn anffodus, nid ydym wedi gweld hynny eto. Mae rhai penderfyniadau ac opsiynau wedi cael eu cyflwyno i bobl leol, ac maent yn teimlo nad ydynt wedi cael mynegi barn yn hyn i gyd hyd yma. Felly, rwy'n edrych ymlaen at ddeall, fel y mae Natasha, sut y byddwch chi'n ymgysylltu â phobl leol trwy gydol y cyfnod hwn, gan fod angen clywed eu llais. Dyna pam ein bod ni yng Llafur Cymru yn credu bod angen i bobl leol siapio'r ateb hwn i broblem ddegawdau oed yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd, ac fe wyddom na ddylai fod yn arbrawf yn y ffordd y teimlaf ein bod yn ei weld heddiw. Dylai Llywodraeth Cymru ddechrau gwaith ar unwaith i weld sut beth fyddai ffordd liniaru briodol i ddiwallu anghenion dinas sy'n tyfu. Ac mae hynny wedi newid: Casnewydd, fel y dywedais, yw'r ddinas sy'n tyfu gyflymaf, mae'n ddinas ifanc, felly mae'n rhaid inni fod yn ymwybodol o hynny. Nododd Mike Hedges nad yn unig—. Yn amlwg, hwn yw'r mater rydym yn siarad amdano heddiw, ond fe wyddom fod materion gwydnwch eraill yn codi ynghylch y rhwydwaith ffyrdd yng Nghymru. Soniodd Mike am yr M4 o amgylch Abertawe. Siaradodd Ken am adeiladu ffyrdd yn well a buddsoddi mewn twf. Rwy'n credu y byddai gan ffordd liniaru briodol yr arloesedd i leihau a dal carbon a hyrwyddo dewisiadau amgen yn lle trafnidiaeth breifat, a dylai weithredu fel templed ar gyfer adeiladu ffyrdd yn gyfrifol y gall eraill ei ddilyn. Rwy'n credu ei fod yn rhywbeth y gallwn ei wneud i arwain y byd yma. Soniodd Art—[Torri ar draws.] Hoffwn droi at Art, mae'n ddrwg gennyf, James; Nid oes gennyf amser fel arall. Ond hoffwn sôn am Art, a gyfrannodd hefyd, gan siarad am y cartrefi a adeiladwyd, ac fe soniodd am y pwyntiau yn yr adroddiad, a bod y Llywodraeth ar hyn o bryd yn cynllunio i fethu. Ond dylid archwilio gwahanol opsiynau ariannu, fel rydym wedi dweud. Mae angen inni wrando ar yr arweinwyr lleol sy'n gweithio gyda chymunedau lleol i ddatrys y broblem hon. Rhowch hi i arweinwyr sy'n arloesi ac yn ysbrydoli ateb effeithiol. Felly, gadewch inni roi pobl uwchlaw gwleidyddiaeth a phleidleisio dros y cynnig hwn heddiw. Diolch. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780880 424 En 2026-10-21T18:40:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=18602&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=18602&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780893 425 Cy 2026-10-21T18:44:55 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=18897&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=18897&l=en 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Y cwestiwn yw: a ddylid derbyn y cynnig heb ei ddiwygio? A oes unrhyw Aelod yn gwrthwynebu? [Gwrthwynebiad.] Oes. Gohiriaf y bleidlais o dan yr eitem hon tan y cyfnod pleidleisio. The proposal is to agree the motion without amendment. Does any Member object? [Objection.] There are objections. I will therefore defer voting under this item until voting time. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780834 426 Cy 2026-10-21T18:45:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=18902&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=18902&l=en 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780835 427 Cy 2026-10-21T00:00:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=-48598&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=-48598&l=en 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780836 428 Cy 2026-10-21T18:45:10 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=18912&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=18912&l=en 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780837 429 Cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport I Gohiriwyd y pleidleisio tan y cyfnod pleidleisio. Voting deferred until voting time. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780838 430 En 2026-10-21T18:45:11 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=18913&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=18913&l=cy 261021-9 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru: Yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd 8. Welsh Labour Debate: The M4 around Newport C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Unless there are five Members who wish for the bell to be rung, we will proceed straight to voting.  Oni bai bod pum Aelod yn dymuno i'r gloch gael ei chanu, fe symudwn ymlaen yn syth at y cyfnod pleidleisio. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780840 431 Cy 2026-10-21T18:45:28 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=18930&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=18930&l=en 261021-10 9. Cyfnod Pleidleisio 9. Voting Time C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Yn gyntaf, dadl ddeddfwriaethol Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv), Bil y GIG yn gyntaf. Galwaf am bleidlais ar y cynnig a gyflwynwyd yn enw Gwyn Williams. Agorwch y bleidlais. Cau'r bleidlais. Dyma ganlyniad y bleidlais: o blaid 64, yn ymatal 24, yn erbyn 2. Mae'r cynnig wedi ei dderbyn. We will first vote on the Members' legislative debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv), an NHS first Bill. I call for a vote on the motion tabled in the name of Gwyn Williams. Open the vote. Close the vote. The result of the vote is as follows: in favour 64, 24 abstentions, 2 against. Therefore, the motion is agreed.  16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780841 432 Cy 261021-10 9. Cyfnod Pleidleisio 9. Voting Time V Eitem 6. Dadl Ddeddfwriaethol Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv) - Bil y GIG yn gyntaf.: O blaid: 64, Yn erbyn: 2, Ymatal: 24 Derbyniwyd y cynnig<div class="voteResultLinkContainer"><a href="record.senedd.wales/VoteOutcome/16318/?#V7490">Cliciwch i weld canlyniad y bleidlais</a></div> Item 6. Members Legislative Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv) - an NHS first Bill. : For: 64, Against: 2, Abstain: 24 Motion has been agreed<div class="voteResultLinkContainer"><a href="record.senedd.wales/VoteOutcome/16318/?#V7490">Click to see vote results</a></div> 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780842 433 Cy 2026-10-21T18:46:35 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=18997&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=18997&l=en 261021-10 9. Cyfnod Pleidleisio 9. Voting Time C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Symudwn nawr at bleidleisio ar ddadl Reform UK, strategaeth canser y prostad. Galwaf am bleidlais ar y cynnig a gyflwynwyd yn enw Llŷr Powell. Os gwrthodir y cynnig, byddwn yn pleidleisio ar y gwelliant a gyflwynwyd i'r cynnig. Agorwch y bleidlais. Cau'r bleidlais. Dyma ganlyniad y bleidlais: o blaid 90, neb yn ymatal, neb yn erbyn. Mae'r cynnig wedi ei dderbyn. We will now move to the Reform UK debate, a prostate cancer strategy. I call for a vote on the motion tabled in the name of Llŷr Powell. If the proposal is not agreed, we will vote on the amendment tabled to the motion. Open the vote. Close the vote. The result of the vote is as follows: in favour 90, no abstentions, none against. The motion is therefore agreed. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780843 434 Cy 261021-10 9. Cyfnod Pleidleisio 9. Voting Time V Eitem 7. Dadl Reform UK - Strategaeth canser y prostad. Cynnig heb ei ddiwygio.: O blaid: 90, Yn erbyn: 0, Ymatal: 0 Derbyniwyd y cynnig<div class="voteResultLinkContainer"><a href="record.senedd.wales/VoteOutcome/16318/?#V7491">Cliciwch i weld canlyniad y bleidlais</a></div> Item 7. Reform UK Debate - Prostate cancer strategy. Motion without amendment.: For: 90, Against: 0, Abstain: 0 Motion has been agreed<div class="voteResultLinkContainer"><a href="record.senedd.wales/VoteOutcome/16318/?#V7491">Click to see vote results</a></div> 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780844 435 Cy 2026-10-21T18:47:37 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=19059&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=19059&l=en 261021-10 9. Cyfnod Pleidleisio 9. Voting Time C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Nesaf, pleidleisiwn ar ddadl Llafur Cymru, yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd. Galwaf am bleidlais ar y cynnig a gyflwynwyd yn enw Lynne Neagle. Os gwrthodir y cynnig, byddwn yn pleidleisio ar y gwelliant a gyflwynwyd i'r cynnig. Agorwch y bleidlais. Cau'r bleidlais. Dyma ganlyniad y bleidlais: o blaid 46, neb yn ymatal, yn erbyn 44. Mae'r cynnig wedi ei dderbyn. We'll now vote on the Welsh Labour debate, the M4 around Newport. I call for a vote on the motion tabled in the name of Lynne Neagle. If the proposal is not agreed, we will vote on the amendment tabled to the motion. Open the Vote. Close the vote. The result of the vote is as follows: in favour 46, no abstentions, 44 against. The motion is therefore agreed. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780875 436 Cy 261021-10 9. Cyfnod Pleidleisio 9. Voting Time V Eitem 8. Dadl Llafur Cymru - yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd. Cynnig heb ei ddiwygio.: O blaid: 46, Yn erbyn: 44, Ymatal: 0 Derbyniwyd y cynnig<div class="voteResultLinkContainer"><a href="record.senedd.wales/VoteOutcome/16318/?#V7492">Cliciwch i weld canlyniad y bleidlais</a></div> Item 8. Welsh Labour Debate - the M4 around Newport. Motion without amendment.: For: 46, Against: 44, Abstain: 0 Motion has been agreed<div class="voteResultLinkContainer"><a href="record.senedd.wales/VoteOutcome/16318/?#V7492">Click to see vote results</a></div> 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780878 437 En 2026-10-21T18:48:50 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=19132&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=19132&l=cy 261021-10 9. Cyfnod Pleidleisio 9. Voting Time C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw If Members are leaving, if they could do so quickly and quietly, please.  Os oes Aelodau'n gadael, a allent wneud hynny'n gyflym ac yn dawel, os gwelwch yn dda. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780881 438 Cy 2026-10-21T18:49:32 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=19174&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=19174&l=en 261021-11 10. Dadl Fer: Mae gorchuddion wyneb llawn yn groes i werthoedd Prydeinig 10. Short Debate: Full-face coverings are against British values C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Yr eitem nesaf yw'r ddadl fer. Jason O'Connell. The next item is the short debate. Jason O'Connell. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780883 439 En 2026-10-21T18:49:39 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=19181&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=19181&l=cy 261021-11 10. Dadl Fer: Mae gorchuddion wyneb llawn yn groes i werthoedd Prydeinig 10. Short Debate: Full-face coverings are against British values C 12158 12158 Jason O'Connell AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12158 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12158 O'Connell, Jason Diolch, Lywydd. It's good to see the Chamber so full for a short debate. I had no idea I was so popular. I'd like to give a minute's time in this debate to Joe Martin, Sarah Cooper-Lesadd, Francesca O'Brien, Carrie Harper, Steven Rodaway and Kiera Marshall. Llywydd, our town centres were once the bright and beating heart of our communities, where businesses thrived and families felt safe. But years of economic decline and political failure have let our town centres, sadly, rot. As a result, a new dangerous culture has emerged. From Newport to Rhyl, balaclava-clad young men, often dangerously riding illegal e-bikes, have been fuelling anti-social behaviour and making our streets feel unsafe. For these individuals, face coverings are a way to conceal their identity, to make it harder for authorities to hold them accountable. And while Governments across the UK turn a blind eye to this, Reform says, 'Enough is enough'. Diolch, Lywydd. Mae'n dda gweld y Siambr mor llawn ar gyfer dadl fer. Nid oedd gennyf syniad fy mod mor boblogaidd. Hoffwn roi munud o amser yn y ddadl hon i Joe Martin, Sarah Cooper-Lesadd, Francesca O'Brien, Carrie Harper, Steven Rodaway a Kiera Marshall. Lywydd, roedd ein canol trefi unwaith yn galon ddisglair yn curo yn ein cymunedau, lle roedd busnesau'n ffynnu a theuluoedd yn teimlo'n ddiogel. Ond mae blynyddoedd o ddirywiad economaidd a methiant gwleidyddol wedi gadael i'n canol trefi bydru, yn anffodus. O ganlyniad, mae diwylliant peryglus newydd wedi dod i'r amlwg. O Gasnewydd i'r Rhyl, mae dynion ifanc mewn balaclafas, sy'n aml yn reidio e-feiciau anghyfreithlon, wedi bod yn tanio ymddygiad gwrthgymdeithasol ac yn gwneud i'n strydoedd deimlo'n anniogel. I'r unigolion hyn, mae gorchuddion wyneb yn ffordd o guddio eu hunaniaeth, i'w gwneud hi'n anos i awdurdodau eu dwyn i gyfrif. Ac er bod Llywodraethau ledled y DU yn troi llygad dall i hyn, mae Reform yn dweud, 'Digon yw digon'. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780849 440 Cy 2026-10-21T18:50:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=19202&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=19202&l=en 261021-11 10. Dadl Fer: Mae gorchuddion wyneb llawn yn groes i werthoedd Prydeinig 10. Short Debate: Full-face coverings are against British values C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780850 441 Cy 2026-10-21T00:00:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=-48598&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=-48598&l=en 261021-11 10. Dadl Fer: Mae gorchuddion wyneb llawn yn groes i werthoedd Prydeinig 10. Short Debate: Full-face coverings are against British values C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780851 442 Cy 2026-10-21T00:00:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=-48598&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=-48598&l=en 261021-11 10. Dadl Fer: Mae gorchuddion wyneb llawn yn groes i werthoedd Prydeinig 10. Short Debate: Full-face coverings are against British values C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780852 443 En 2026-10-21T18:50:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=19202&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=19202&l=cy 261021-11 10. Dadl Fer: Mae gorchuddion wyneb llawn yn groes i werthoedd Prydeinig 10. Short Debate: Full-face coverings are against British values C 12158 12158 Jason O'Connell AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12158 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12158 O'Connell, Jason Face coverings have no place in British and Welsh society. Let's take a look at the city of Newport, the city that holds the unenviable title of the worst high street in Britain. Disaffected young people have run through businesses, causing a decimated high street and rundown shopfronts, leading to a loss of inward investment and hope for the future deserted, thanks, in part, to balaclava-covered youths running riot over those that are just trying to make a living—people who've worked hard, paid their taxes, and contributed to their communities. But this is not just about one Welsh city; this is a Wales-wide issue. Plaid will say this is a pointless debate because it's a non-devolved matter reserved to Westminster. But that doesn't mean UK councils are powerless. Look at what Nottingham has achieved as an example. They introduced a targeted restriction against face coverings, and they've seen a 40 per cent reduction in city-centre anti-social behaviour. Newport City Council has voted to explore similar options, and I, alongside every Reform MS, will be encouraging all Welsh councils to do the same. Adam Price disappointed me today with his response to spokespersons' questions. Imagine being a victim of crime, of violent theft or some kind of violent robbery, only to listen to Plaid's economy minister today saying balaclava bans are a gimmick, that businesses don't care. But the reality is that Plaid doesn't care. Plaid cares more about promoting foreign cultures than our own. They clearly don't care about keeping Welsh people and businesses safe. When a Welsh person supports Reform, Plaid often accuses them of questioning their loyalty to Wales. But when foreign people who can't speak any British language enter Wales for a life on the welfare system, they are celebrated as trophies of the benefits of mass migration. They don't care about how a lack of integration by face-clad unknown people impacts Wales, our working-class communities. All they care about is supporting mass migration in all its forms, no matter the cost to our communities. We see this today. They defend balaclavas, all because they want some in our society to be able to hide their faces. Some will lazily say we're being Islamophobic, whatever that means. Some, no doubt, will roll out the old classic and shriek, 'Racists!' These tropes are tired, ineffective, and clearly wildly inaccurate, but I will address them. Reform supports freedom of religion in all its forms. But where that freedom oppresses women and damages assimilation into Welsh communities, a line must be drawn. In Afghanistan, under Taliban rule, women are under a system of gender apartheid. They can't study above the age of 12, they can't speak loudly in public, and they're forced, by law, to wear the burqa. If they don't, they could be denied healthcare, they could be beaten, or even worse. For these women, raised under an extremist form of Islam, the burqa is a symbol of oppression. This symbol is what Plaid Members are attempting to back today: an extreme ideology that is anti British, anti women and against assimilation, forced on young girls and carried on into adulthood. In numerous countries, the burqa is already banned. But we cannot allow this form of oppression to become the norm in Wales. Walk through any areas across Wales, and you will see it for yourself. The Muslim Council of Wales has tried to silence this debate today, saying we are hateful and divisive. So, I say again, and let me be very clear: Reform has no issue with the hijab, we have no issue or problem with Islam or Muslims, but we do have an issue with people living in our communities hiding their identities. We say the same thing to protesters that cover their faces, whatever their political persuasion. In modern Britain, we are polite people. We say 'hello' to our neighbours, and we do not hide our faces. That is our culture, that is our way, regardless of race, creed or religion. Reform wants safer streets and strong communities for our families to live, work and thrive. Diolch. Nid oes lle i orchuddion wyneb yng nghymdeithas Prydain a Chymru. Gadewch inni edrych ar ddinas Casnewydd, y ddinas sydd â'r teitl annymunol o fod â'r stryd fawr waethaf ym Mhrydain. Mae pobl ifanc anfodlon wedi dinistrio busnesau, gan achosi i'r stryd fawr a'r siopau ddirywio, ac wedi arwain at golli mewnfuddsoddiad a gobaith ar gyfer dyfodol, diolch yn rhannol i bobl ifanc mewn balaclafas sy'n rhedeg yn wyllt dros y rheini sydd ond yn ceisio gwneud bywoliaeth—pobl weithgar, sydd wedi talu eu trethi a chyfrannu at eu cymunedau. Ond mae a wnelo hyn â mwy nag un ddinas yng Nghymru; mae hon yn broblem ledled Cymru. Bydd Plaid Cymru'n dweud bod hon yn ddadl ddiangen am ei fod yn fater nad yw wedi'i ddatganoli a gedwir yn ôl i San Steffan. Ond nid yw hynny'n golygu bod cynghorau'r DU yn ddi-rym. Edrychwch ar yr hyn y mae Nottingham wedi'i gyflawni er enghraifft. Fe wnaethant gyflwyno cyfyngiad wedi'i dargedu yn erbyn gorchuddion wyneb, ac maent wedi gweld gostyngiad o 40 y cant mewn ymddygiad gwrthgymdeithasol yng nghanol y ddinas. Mae Cyngor Dinas Casnewydd wedi pleidleisio dros archwilio opsiynau tebyg, a byddaf i, ochr yn ochr â phob AS Reform, yn annog pob cyngor yng Nghymru i wneud yr un peth. Fe wnaeth Adam Price fy siomi heddiw gyda'i ymateb i gwestiynau'r llefarwyr. Dychmygwch fod yn ddioddefwr trosedd neu ladrad treisgar, ddim ond i wrando ar Weinidog economi Plaid Cymru heddiw yn dweud bod gwahardd balaclafas yn gimig, nad yw busnesau'n poeni. Ond y gwir amdani yw nad yw Plaid Cymru'n poeni. Mae Plaid Cymru'n poeni mwy am hyrwyddo diwylliannau tramor na'n diwylliannau ni ein hunain. Mae'n amlwg nad ydynt yn poeni am gadw pobl a busnesau Cymru'n ddiogel. Pan fydd Cymro'n cefnogi Reform, mae Plaid Cymru'n aml yn eu cyhuddo o gwestiynu eu teyrngarwch i Gymru. Ond pan fydd pobl estron nad ydynt yn gallu siarad unrhyw iaith Brydeinig yn dod i mewn i Gymru i fyw ar y system les, cânt eu dathlu fel arwydd o fanteision ymfudo torfol. Nid ydynt yn poeni sut y mae diffyg integreiddio gan bobl anhysbys â gorchuddion wyneb yn effeithio ar Gymru, ein cymunedau dosbarth gweithiol. Y cyfan y maent yn poeni amdano yw cefnogi mudo torfol yn ei holl ffurfiau, beth bynnag y bo'r gost i'n cymunedau. Gwelwn hyn heddiw. Maent yn amddiffyn balaclafas, am eu bod eisiau i rai yn ein cymdeithas allu cuddio eu hwynebau. Bydd rhai'n dweud yn ddiog ein bod ni'n Islamoffobig, beth bynnag y mae hynny'n ei olygu. Bydd rhai, heb os, yn lleisio'r hen glasur ac yn ein cyhuddo o hiliaeth. Mae'r troadau ymadrodd hyn yn dreuliedig, yn aneffeithiol, ac yn amlwg yn hollol anghywir, ond fe af i'r afael â nhw. Mae Reform yn cefnogi rhyddid crefyddol o bob math. Ond lle mae'r rhyddid hwnnw'n gormesu menywod ac yn niweidio cymhathiad i gymunedau Cymreig, rhaid tynnu llinell. Yn Affganistan, o dan reolaeth y Taliban, mae menywod o dan system o apartheid rhywedd. Ni allant astudio dros 12 oed, ni allant siarad yn uchel yn gyhoeddus, a chânt eu gorfodi,gan y gyfraith, i wisgo'r burqa. Os nad ydynt yn gwneud hynny, gallent gael eu hamddifadu o ofal iechyd, gallent gael eu curo, neu hyd yn oed yn waeth. I'r menywod hyn, a fagwyd o dan ffurf eithafol o Islam, mae'r burqa yn symbol o ormes. Y symbol hwn yw'r hyn y ceisia Aelodau Plaid Cymru ei gefnogi heddiw: ideoleg eithafol sy'n wrth-Brydeinig, yn wrth-fenywod ac yn erbyn cymhathu, wedi'i orfodi ar ferched ifanc a'i barhau drwy eu bywydau fel oedolion. Mewn nifer o wledydd, mae'r burqa eisoes wedi'i wahardd. Ond ni allwn ganiatáu i'r math hwn o ormes ddod yn norm yng Nghymru. Cerddwch trwy unrhyw ardal ledled Cymru, ac fe'i gwelwch drosoch eich hun. Mae Cyngor Mwslimaidd Cymru wedi ceisio tawelu'r ddadl hon heddiw, gan ddweud ein bod yn tanio casineb ac yn ymrannol. Felly, rwy'n dweud eto, a gadewch imi fod yn glir iawn: nid oes gan Reform unrhyw broblem â'r hijab, nid oes gennym unrhyw broblem ag Islam na Mwslemiaid, ond mae gennym broblem gyda phobl sy'n byw yn ei cymunedau ac yn cuddio pwy ydynt. Rydym yn dweud yr un peth wrth brotestwyr sy'n gorchuddio eu hwynebau, beth bynnag yw eu tueddiad gwleidyddol. Yn y Brydain fodern, rydym yn bobl gwrtais. Rydym yn dweud 'helo' wrth ein cymdogion, ac nid ydym yn cuddio ein hwynebau. Dyna yw ein diwylliant, dyna yw ein ffordd, beth bynnag yw'r hil, cred neu grefydd. Mae Reform eisiau strydoedd mwy diogel a chymunedau cryf i'n teuluoedd allu byw, gweithio a ffynnu ynddynt. Diolch. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780860 444 En 2026-10-21T18:55:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=19502&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=19502&l=cy 261021-11 10. Dadl Fer: Mae gorchuddion wyneb llawn yn groes i werthoedd Prydeinig 10. Short Debate: Full-face coverings are against British values C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 781067 445 En 2026-10-21T18:56:50 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=19612&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=19612&l=cy 261021-11 10. Dadl Fer: Mae gorchuddion wyneb llawn yn groes i werthoedd Prydeinig 10. Short Debate: Full-face coverings are against British values C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780863 446 En 2026-10-21T18:55:34 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=19536&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=19536&l=cy 261021-11 10. Dadl Fer: Mae gorchuddion wyneb llawn yn groes i werthoedd Prydeinig 10. Short Debate: Full-face coverings are against British values C 12190 12190 Francesca O'Brien AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12190 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12190 O'Brien, Francesca Face coverings, including the burqa, are anti British. Not all cultures are equal. We can't continue to import alien cultures into this country and expect integration. These oppressive beliefs are totally at odds with our history and culture. Banning these coverings is simple common sense. European countries like Denmark, Belgium and Austria have already banned them. We should do the same. Muslim countries like Kazakhstan and Tunisia have already banned face veils. France is currently on fire; this country could be next. We can't allow a parallel society to develop in this country, or we could be facing the consequences sooner than we think. Mae gorchuddion wyneb, gan gynnwys y burqa, yn wrth-Brydeinig. Nid yw pob diwylliant yn gyfartal. Ni allwn barhau i fewnforio diwylliannau estron i'r wlad hon a disgwyl integreiddio. Mae'r credoau gormesol hyn yn gwbl groes i'n hanes a'n diwylliant. Mater o synnwyr cyffredin syml yw gwahardd y gorchuddion hyn. Mae gwledydd Ewropeaidd fel Denmarc, Gwlad Belg ac Awstria eisoes wedi eu gwahardd. Dylem ni wneud yr un peth. Mae gwledydd Mwslimaidd fel Kazakhstan a Tunisia eisoes wedi gwahardd gorchuddion wyneb. Mae Ffrainc ar dân ar hyn o bryd; gallai ddigwydd yn y wlad hon nesaf. Ni allwn ganiatáu i gymdeithas gyfochrog ddatblygu yn y wlad hon, neu gallem orfod wynebu'r canlyniadau yn gynt nag a feddyliwn. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 781065 447 En 2026-10-21T18:56:40 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=19602&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=19602&l=cy 261021-11 10. Dadl Fer: Mae gorchuddion wyneb llawn yn groes i werthoedd Prydeinig 10. Short Debate: Full-face coverings are against British values C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw [Inaudible.]—different from the list that we have here. Could you give me the list again, please? [Anghlywadwy.]—gwahanol i'r rhestr sydd gennym yma. A wnewch chi roi'r rhestr i mi eto, os gwelwch yn dda? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 781068 448 En 2026-10-21T18:56:46 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=19608&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=19608&l=cy 261021-11 10. Dadl Fer: Mae gorchuddion wyneb llawn yn groes i werthoedd Prydeinig 10. Short Debate: Full-face coverings are against British values C 12158 12158 Jason O'Connell AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12158 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12158 O'Connell, Jason Carrie Harper, Joe Martin, Steven Rodaway— Carrie Harper, Joe Martin, Steven Rodaway— 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 781071 449 En 2026-10-21T18:55:56 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=19558&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=19558&l=cy 261021-11 10. Dadl Fer: Mae gorchuddion wyneb llawn yn groes i werthoedd Prydeinig 10. Short Debate: Full-face coverings are against British values C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Irranca-Davies, Huw Carrie Harper.  Carrie Harper. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780867 450 En 2026-10-21T18:56:58 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=19620&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=19620&l=cy 261021-11 10. Dadl Fer: Mae gorchuddion wyneb llawn yn groes i werthoedd Prydeinig 10. Short Debate: Full-face coverings are against British values C 278 278 Carrie Harper AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=278 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=278 Harper, Carrie Diolch, Lywydd. I think we're all entitled to question Reform's real intentions when they raise a debate on face coverings, especially given, just in the last fortnight, a very similar debate was raised in the Scottish Parliament as well, which explicitly called for banning the burqa and the niqab, and we've heard the same statements here today. So, let's not pretend that this is about criminality and balaclavas. That's nonsense, and we can all see through that. This is a thinly veiled attack on the religious rights of women. That's blatantly obvious to everybody. I think it's really ironic as well that Reform have chosen to frame this debate about values in the same week that we've had an ITV investigation exposing deep-rooted racism and sexism in your party. One of the worst things that I heard from that programme was then Reform councillor Chris Whelan talking about a fellow Reform candidate. He said, 'If she were my daughter, it would still be bath night on a Thursday'. Vile, disgusting and disturbing in the way it sexualised a child. There were multiple examples of sexism and racism in that programme, from the party that claims to want to protect women. So, seriously, how can Reform lecture us about values when they're in the midst of a scandal about racism and sexism? How on earth can you claim to stand up for women when you are trying to dictate what Muslim women can and cannot wear? Complete hypocrisy—complete hypocrisy.  Diolch, Lywydd. Rwy'n credu bod gennym i gyd hawl i gwestiynu gwir fwriadau Reform pan fyddant yn cyflwyno dadl ar orchuddion wyneb, yn enwedig o ystyried, yn y pythefnos diwethaf yn unig, fod dadl debyg iawn wedi'i chyflwyno yn Senedd yr Alban, yn galw'n glir am wahardd y burqa a'r niqab, ac rydym wedi clywed yr un datganiadau yma heddiw. Felly, gadewch inni beidio ag esgus bod hyn yn ymwneud â throseddoldeb a balaclafas. Nonsens yw hynny, a gallwn i gyd weld trwy hynny. Ymosodiad eglur ar hawliau crefyddol menywod yw hyn. Mae hynny'n gwbl amlwg i bawb. Rwy'n credu ei bod yn eironig iawn hefyd fod Reform wedi dewis fframio'r ddadl hon am werthoedd yn yr un wythnos ag y cawsom ymchwiliad ITV yn datgelu hiliaeth a rhywiaeth sydd wedi'i wreiddio'n ddwfn yn eich plaid. Un o'r pethau gwaethaf a glywais yn y rhaglen honno oedd y cynghorydd Reform Chris Whelan yn siarad am gyd-ymgeisydd Reform. Dywedodd, 'Pe bai hi'n ferch i mi, byddai'n dal i fod yn noson bath ar ddydd Iau'. Ffiaidd, gwarthus ac yn peri pryder yn y ffordd y gwnaeth rywioli plentyn. Roedd sawl enghraifft o rywiaeth a hiliaeth yn y rhaglen honno, gan y blaid sy'n honni ei bod am ddiogelu menywod. Felly, o ddifrif, sut y gall Reform bregethu wrthym am werthoedd a hwythau yng nghanol sgandal am hiliaeth a rhywiaeth? Sut ar y ddaear y gallwch chi honni eich bod chi'n sefyll dros fenywod a chithau'n ceisio datgan beth sy'n briodol i fenywod Mwslimaidd ei wisgo? Rhagrith llwyr—rhagrith llwyr. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780871 451 En 2026-10-21T18:58:55 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=19737&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=19737&l=cy 261021-11 10. Dadl Fer: Mae gorchuddion wyneb llawn yn groes i werthoedd Prydeinig 10. Short Debate: Full-face coverings are against British values C 12146 12146 Joe Martin AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12146 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12146 Martin, Joe The burqa and niqab are two of the many ways in which fundamentalist Islam is uniquely incompatible with western civilisation. They represent ideas that are oppressive, misogynistic and anti-British. Mass immigration was sold to the public with the assertion that those arriving would assimilate into British culture. That was a lie—we can't even see the faces of thousands of people who've moved here. If two Muslim women live in the same street and they both wear burqas, how are we meant to tell them apart? I can't believe this needs to be said, but being able to tell people apart is an important part of British culture. Proponents will argue that they promote modesty and stop women from being sexualised. For thousands of years, the west achieved the same result—not by oppressing women, but by requiring men to employ an ounce of self-control. If the people who've moved here can't do that, they should live in countries where it's accepted that men can't control themselves. I've also seen children wearing face coverings; anyone who struggles not to feel lust when looking at a child should not be free to walk around in our society. There are countries where that might be normal. This is not one of them. Assimilation means losing religious face coverings, and to encourage that, they should be banned. Mae'r burqa a'r niqab yn ddwy o'r nifer o ffyrdd y mae Islam ffwndamentalaidd yn unigryw anghydnaws â gwareiddiad gorllewinol. Maent yn cynrychioli syniadau sy'n ormesol, yn fisogynistaidd ac yn wrth-Brydeinig. Gwerthwyd mewnfudo torfol i'r cyhoedd gyda'r honiad y byddai'r rhai a gyrhaeddai'n cymhathu i ddiwylliant Prydain. Roedd hynny'n gelwydd—ni allwn hyd yn oed weld wynebau miloedd o bobl sydd wedi symud yma. Os yw dwy fenyw Fwslimaidd yn byw yn yr un stryd a bod y ddwy'n gwisgo burqas, sut rydym ni i fod i wahaniaethu rhyngddynt? Ni allaf gredu bod angen dweud hyn, ond mae gallu gwahaniaethu rhwng pobl yn rhan bwysig o ddiwylliant Prydain. Bydd cefnogwyr yn dadlau eu bod yn hyrwyddo cymedroldeb ac yn atal menywod rhag cael eu rhywioli. Am filoedd o flynyddoedd, cyflawnodd y gorllewin yr un canlyniad—nid trwy ormesu menywod, ond trwy ei gwneud yn ofynnol i ddynion ddefnyddio owns o hunanreolaeth. Os nad yw'r bobl sydd wedi symud yma'n gallu gwneud hynny, dylent fyw mewn gwledydd lle caiff ei dderbyn nad yw dynion yn gallu rheoli eu hunain. Rwyf wedi gweld plant yn gwisgo gorchuddion wyneb hefyd; ni ddylai unrhyw un sy'n cael trafferth i beidio â theimlo chwant wrth edrych ar blentyn fod yn rhydd i gerdded o gwmpas yn ein cymdeithas. Mae yna wledydd lle gallai hynny fod yn normal. Nid yw hon yn un ohonynt. Mae cymhathu yn golygu colli gorchuddion wyneb crefyddol, ac i annog hynny, dylid eu gwahardd. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780853 452 En 2026-10-21T19:00:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=19802&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=19802&l=cy 261021-11 10. Dadl Fer: Mae gorchuddion wyneb llawn yn groes i werthoedd Prydeinig 10. Short Debate: Full-face coverings are against British values C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780854 453 En 2026-10-21T19:00:16 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=19818&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=19818&l=cy 261021-11 10. Dadl Fer: Mae gorchuddion wyneb llawn yn groes i werthoedd Prydeinig 10. Short Debate: Full-face coverings are against British values C 12167 12167 Sarah Cooper-Lesadd AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12167 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12167 Cooper-Lesadd, Sarah We are being asked to debate about people on the basis of what we imagine their lives to be. Their lives are not fictional, they are real, and what we debate here deeply matters to them, and affects their perception of their home here in Wales. I want to focus my remarks on a territory I'm sure is familiar to Reform of civil liberties. Members opposite speak a great deal about this, but instead of advocating for freedom, they have brought us a list of things a woman may not do, and are asking the state to enforce it. I want to add a bit of philosophy to help frame my remarks. I choose it deliberately because I feel it has some resemblance to this debate today. Burke's argument against revolutionaries was that a nation cannot be remade by decree, and this goes back as far as 1700. A society is not an arrangement between people who happen to be alive. It is a partnership between the living, the dead and those that are yet to be born. That is the essence of the social contract. The liberties we hold in these countries were not granted to us by anyone in this room. They were fought for, often at huge cost. Lives were lost, people were imprisoned, and often people were hanged for them. We did not earn any of that, we inherited it, and it is our role as stewards of these liberties to protect them for future generations. We are not entitled to erode that liberty just because Reform finds it politically expedient. Gofynnir inni ddadlau am bobl ar sail yr hyn y dychmygwn yw eu bywydau. Nid yw eu bywydau'n ffuglennol, maent yn real, ac mae'r hyn rydym yn ei drafod yma'n bwysig iawn iddynt, ac yn effeithio ar eu canfyddiad o'u cartref yma yng Nghymru. Rwyf am ganolbwyntio fy sylwadau ar diriogaeth sy'n gyfarwydd i Reform, rwy'n siŵr, sef rhyddid sifil. Mae Aelodau gyferbyn yn siarad llawer am hyn, ond yn hytrach na dadlau dros ryddid, maent wedi dod â rhestr o bethau na all menyw ei wneud, ac yn gofyn i'r wladwriaeth ei orfodi. Rwyf am ychwanegu ychydig o athroniaeth i helpu i fframio fy sylwadau. Rwy'n ei ddewis yn fwriadol am fy mod yn teimlo ei fod yn eithaf perthnasol i'r ddadl hon heddiw. Dadl Burke yn erbyn chwyldroadwyr oedd na ellir ail-wneud cenedl trwy orchymyn, ac mae hyn yn mynd yn ôl cyn belled â 1700. Nid trefniant rhwng pobl sy'n digwydd bod yn fyw yw cymdeithas. Mae'n bartneriaeth rhwng y byw, y meirw a'r rhai sydd eto i'w geni. Dyna hanfod y contract cymdeithasol. Ni chafodd y rhyddid sydd gennym yn y gwledydd hyn ei roi i ni gan unrhyw un yn yr ystafell hon. Ymladdwyd drosto, yn aml ar gost enfawr. Cafodd bywydau eu colli, pobl eu carcharu, ac yn aml cafodd pobl eu crogi am sefyll drosto. Nid ni a'i henillodd, ei etifeddu a wnaethom, a'n rôl ni fel stiwardiaid y rhyddid hwn yw ei ddiogelu ar gyfer cenedlaethau'r dyfodol. Nid oes gennym hawl i erydu'r rhyddid hwnnw ddim ond am fod Reform yn ystyried hynny'n fanteisiol yn wleidyddol. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780855 454 En 2026-10-21T19:02:01 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=19923&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=19923&l=cy 261021-11 10. Dadl Fer: Mae gorchuddion wyneb llawn yn groes i werthoedd Prydeinig 10. Short Debate: Full-face coverings are against British values C 12191 12191 Steven Rodaway AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12191 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12191 Rodaway, Steven I am proud to be Welsh, proud to be British, and unapologetic in defending our culture. In Britain we show our faces. It builds trust and, more importantly, it keeps us safe. In certain Islamic countries, under Islamic law, girls from puberty must cover their faces, and some countries will arrest females above the age of nine for showing too much hair. Whether balaclava or burqa, face coverings have no place on our streets here in Wales. It is oppressive, and it is a risk to Welsh public safety. We have written to the First Minister urging him to make a much-needed representation to the UK Government. This summer, the Prime Minister and the First Minister managed to meet together to ban the barbecue. While those on the left want us to ban the barbecue, we in Reform want to ban the burqa, or the balaclava. Face coverings are incompatible with our British way of life. It is an outright betrayal of the dignity and freedom of women. Beyond this, we must look at banning cousin marriages and address religious attitudes towards women and homosexuals. Women's freedom and their safety here in Wales deserve urgency, which is why we must, at the very first possible opportunity, ban face coverings in public, and I urge every Member across this house to support this motion. Thank you. Rwy'n falch o fod yn Gymro, yn falch o fod yn Brydeiniwr, ac yn ddiymddiheuriad wrth amddiffyn ein diwylliant. Ym Mhrydain rydym yn dangos ein hwynebau. Mae'n adeiladu ymddiriedaeth ac yn bwysicach fyth, mae'n ein cadw'n ddiogel. Mewn rhai gwledydd Islamaidd, o dan gyfraith Islamaidd, pan fydd merched yn cyrraedd y glasoed, rhaid iddynt orchuddio eu hwynebau, a bydd rhai gwledydd yn arestio menywod dros naw oed am ddangos gormod o wallt. Boed yn falaclafa neu'n burqa, nid oes lle i orchuddion wyneb ar ein strydoedd yma yng Nghymru. Mae'n ormesol, ac mae'n risg i ddiogelwch y cyhoedd yng Nghymru. Rydym wedi ysgrifennu at y Prif Weinidog yn ei annog i gyflwyno sylwadau mawr eu hangen i Lywodraeth y DU. Yr haf hwn, llwyddodd Prif Weinidog y DU a Phrif Weinidog Cymru i gyfarfod â'i gilydd i wahardd y barbeciw. Tra bod y rhai ar y chwith eisiau inni wahardd y barbeciw, rydym ni yn Reform eisiau gwahardd y burqa, neu'r balaclafa. Mae gorchuddion wyneb yn anghydnaws â'n ffordd o fyw Brydeinig. Mae'n sarhad i urddas a rhyddid menywod. Y tu hwnt i hyn, rhaid inni edrych ar wahardd priodasau rhwng cefndryd a mynd i'r afael ag agweddau crefyddol tuag at fenywod a hoywon. Mae rhyddid menywod a'u diogelwch yma yng Nghymru yn haeddu sylw ar frys, a dyna pam y mae'n rhaid inni fachu ar y cyfle cyntaf posibl i wahardd gorchuddion wyneb yn gyhoeddus, ac rwy'n annog pob Aelod ar draws y tŷ i gefnogi'r cynnig hwn. Diolch. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780856 455 En 2026-10-21T19:03:25 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=20007&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=20007&l=cy 261021-11 10. Dadl Fer: Mae gorchuddion wyneb llawn yn groes i werthoedd Prydeinig 10. Short Debate: Full-face coverings are against British values C 12166 12166 Kiera Marshall AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12166 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12166 Marshall, Kiera This summer, a Muslim woman in my constituency in Cardiff was subject to a physical violent attack in broad daylight. The attacker shouted at her about removing her headscarf, and continued to do exactly this while physically assaulting her. And this is just one example of an increasingly common occurrence where Muslim women are being targeted. This is exactly what the rhetoric that Reform is peddling is doing. Reform claims to protect women and girls, but they don't really, do they? Because only over the weekend did we hear about one of Reform's own MPs say that Reform is chauvinistic and has a male issue. And today, they're trying to control what women wear, and it's quite frankly disgusting and creepy that they're trying to do this. Meanwhile in Wales, 31 per cent of our children live in poverty, the unemployment rate has consistently remained above the UK average, and in this context, it's bizarre that they've chosen to focus their taxpayer-funded time on a debate like this today. To all the Muslim women—to all the Muslim women—who might be watching today, who might be feeling afraid and let down by this debate, Reform may claim that this attack on your faith is in line with British values, but it is not in line with Welsh values. Plaid Cymru stands with you, we will stand up for you, and we will always call out this hate where we see it. Yr haf hwn, dioddefodd menyw Fwslimaidd yn fy etholaeth i yng Nghaerdydd ymosodiad treisgar corfforol yng ngolau dydd. Gwaeddodd yr ymosodwr arni i dynnu ei sgarff, a pharhaodd i wneud yn union hynny wrth ymosod arni'n gorfforol. Ac un enghraifft yn unig yw hon o ddigwyddiad cynyddol gyffredin lle mae menywod Mwslimaidd yn cael eu targedu. Dyma'n union beth y mae'r rhethreg y mae Reform yn ei phedlera'n ei wneud. Mae Reform yn honni eu bod yn diogelu menywod a merched, ond nid ydynt yn gwneud hynny mewn gwirionedd. Oherwydd dros y penwythnos fe glywsom am un o ASau Reform eu hunain yn dweud bod Reform yn siofinaidd a bod ganddynt broblem wrywaidd. A heddiw, maent yn ceisio rheoli beth y mae menywod yn ei wisgo, ac mae'n eithaf ffiaidd a dychrynllyd eu bod nhw'n ceisio gwneud hyn. Yn y cyfamser yng Nghymru, mae 31 y cant o'n plant yn byw mewn tlodi, mae'r gyfradd ddiweithdra wedi aros yn gyson uwchlaw cyfartaledd y DU, ac yn y cyd-destun hwn, mae'n rhyfedd eu bod wedi dewis canolbwyntio eu hamser a ariennir gan drethdalwyr ar ddadl fel hon heddiw. I'r holl fenywod Mwslimaidd—i'r holl fenywod Mwslimaidd—a allai fod yn gwylio heddiw, ac efallai'n teimlo'n ofnus a siomedig ynghylch y ddadl hon: efallai fod Reform yn honni bod yr ymosodiad hwn ar eich ffydd yn cyd-fynd â gwerthoedd Prydeinig, ond nid yw'n cyd-fynd â gwerthoedd Cymreig. Mae Plaid Cymru yn eich cefnogi, ac fe fyddwn yn eich cefnogi, a byddwn bob amser yn ymwrthod â'r casineb hwn lle bynnag y down ar ei draws. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780858 456 En 2026-10-21T19:04:43 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=20085&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=20085&l=cy 261021-11 10. Dadl Fer: Mae gorchuddion wyneb llawn yn groes i werthoedd Prydeinig 10. Short Debate: Full-face coverings are against British values C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw David Mills. David Mills. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780857 457 En 2026-10-21T19:04:49 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=20091&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=20091&l=cy 261021-11 10. Dadl Fer: Mae gorchuddion wyneb llawn yn groes i werthoedd Prydeinig 10. Short Debate: Full-face coverings are against British values C 12171 12171 David Mills AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12171 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12171 Mills, David Gosh, I don't know how to follow some of this. Thank you, Presiding Officer, and thank you, Jason O'Connell, for tabling the debate. We're a nation that prides itself on our tradition of constitutional liberty, which has always included freedom of expression to dress as one chooses, including garments that most people find offensive or objectionable, such as face coverings. This stands in opposition to the tradition on the continent where restrictions are commonplace. However, I think we need to re-examine our position on this, as the wearing of face coverings has become normalised in recent years, and consider banning them. In Swansea, Neath and many other areas of Wales, there has been a growing problem with anti-social behaviour committed by youths wearing face coverings. No-one should have to tolerate this sort of hooliganism. We should recognise too that face coverings are not normal practice in any religion, and they're only employed by a tiny minority of ultra-conservative adherents. Whilst religious freedom is an important tenet of British values, our laws and cultural norms should not bend to the whims of an ultra-conservative minority. We should recognise too that many countries across Europe, the middle east and central Asia ban the use of face coverings and do not make religious exceptions. So, I agree with Jason that the use of face coverings is a growing issue and we must look to banning them. Mawredd, nid wyf yn gwybod sut i ddilyn peth o hyn. Diolch, Lywydd, a diolch, Jason O'Connell, am gyflwyno'r ddadl. Rydym yn genedl sy'n ymfalchïo yn ein traddodiad o ryddid cyfansoddiadol, sydd bob amser wedi cynnwys rhyddid mynegiant i wisgo fel y bydd rhywun yn dewis, gan gynnwys dillad y mae'r rhan fwyaf o bobl yn eu gweld yn sarhaus neu'n annerbyniol, fel gorchuddion wyneb. Mae hyn yn groes i'r traddodiad ar y cyfandir lle mae cyfyngiadau'n gyffredin. Fodd bynnag, rwy'n credu bod angen inni ailystyried ein safbwynt ar hyn gan fod gwisgo gorchuddion wyneb wedi cael ei normaleiddio dros y blynyddoedd diwethaf, ac ystyried eu gwahardd. Yn Abertawe, Castell-nedd a llawer o ardaloedd eraill yng Nghymru, cafwyd problem gynyddol gydag ymddygiad gwrthgymdeithasol a gyflawnir gan bobl ifanc sy'n gwisgo gorchuddion wyneb. Ni ddylai neb orfod goddef y math hwn o hwliganiaeth. Dylem gydnabod hefyd nad yw gorchuddion wyneb yn arfer normal mewn unrhyw grefydd, a dim ond lleiafrif bach o ddilynwyr ceidwadol iawn sy'n eu defnyddio. Er bod rhyddid crefyddol yn egwyddor bwysig yng ngwerthoedd Prydain, ni ddylai ein deddfau a'n normau diwylliannol blygu i chwiwiau lleiafrif ceidwadol iawn. Dylem gydnabod hefyd fod llawer o wledydd ledled Ewrop, y dwyrain canol ac Asia ganol yn gwahardd y defnydd o orchuddion wyneb ac nid ydynt yn gwneud eithriadau crefyddol. Felly, rwy'n cytuno â Jason fod y defnydd o orchuddion wyneb yn broblem gynyddol ac mae'n rhaid inni ystyried eu gwahardd. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780876 458 En 2026-10-21T19:05:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=20102&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=20102&l=cy 261021-11 10. Dadl Fer: Mae gorchuddion wyneb llawn yn groes i werthoedd Prydeinig 10. Short Debate: Full-face coverings are against British values C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780886 459 Cy 2026-10-21T19:06:33 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=20195&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=20195&l=en 261021-11 10. Dadl Fer: Mae gorchuddion wyneb llawn yn groes i werthoedd Prydeinig 10. Short Debate: Full-face coverings are against British values C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Galwaf ar y Dirprwy Brif Weinidog a Gweinidog Cabinet dros Gyfiawnder Cymdeithasol a Chydraddoldeb i ymateb i'r ddadl—Sioned Williams. I call on the Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Minister for Social Justice and Equality to reply to the debate—Sioned Williams. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780889 460 En 2026-10-21T19:06:42 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=20204&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=20204&l=cy 261021-11 10. Dadl Fer: Mae gorchuddion wyneb llawn yn groes i werthoedd Prydeinig 10. Short Debate: Full-face coverings are against British values C 8670 8670 Sioned Williams AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8670 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8670 Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Minister for Social Justice and Equality Y Dirprwy Brif Weinidog a Gweinidog Cabinet dros Gyfiawnder Cymdeithasol a Chydraddoldeb Williams, Sioned Diolch yn fawr, Lywydd. Before I start, I just want to say, it's been a sad day today. I stood in Aberfan this morning. I stood side by side with that community, which came together in unity in the face of such adversity. But it's been a terrible, shameful, shameless end to a sad day. A sad day indeed when those benches bring into this Siambr—those who are here to represent the whole of Wales, all our communities, all our citizens—that which seeks to divide those communities. I've listened carefully to the contributions this evening. I've been disturbed by such an unsettling sound, because, Llywydd, you don't have to strain hard at all, do you, anymore, to hear the dog whistle that has too often pierced political debates in this Chamber since the election in May? [Interruption.] Yes, Vikki. Diolch yn fawr, Lywydd. Cyn imi ddechrau, rwyf am ddweud ei bod hi wedi bod yn ddiwrnod trist heddiw. Fe sefais yn Aberfan y bore yma. Fe sefais ochr yn ochr â'r gymuned honno, a ddaeth at ei gilydd mewn undod yn wyneb y fath adfyd. Ond mae wedi bod yn ddiwedd ofnadwy, gwarthus, cywilyddus i ddiwrnod trist. Diwrnod trist yn wir pan fydd y meinciau hynny—y rheini sydd yma i gynrychioli Cymru gyfan, ein holl gymunedau, ein holl ddinasyddion—yn dod â'r hyn sy'n ymgais i rannu'r cymunedau hynny i mewn i'r Siambr hon. Rwyf wedi gwrando'n ofalus ar y cyfraniadau heno. Rwyf wedi fy nychryn gan sŵn mor annifyr, oherwydd, Lywydd, nid oes rhaid i chi glustfeinio'n galed o gwbl mwyach i glywed chwiban y ci sydd wedi treiddio drwy ddadleuon gwleidyddol yn y Siambr hon yn rhy aml ers yr etholiad ym mis Mai. [Torri ar draws.] Iawn, Vikki. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780892 461 En 2026-10-21T19:07:40 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=20262&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=20262&l=cy 261021-11 10. Dadl Fer: Mae gorchuddion wyneb llawn yn groes i werthoedd Prydeinig 10. Short Debate: Full-face coverings are against British values C 5107 5107 Vikki Howells AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5107 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5107 Howells, Vikki Thank you, Cabinet Minister. On Saturday afternoon, like myself, the Member who tabled this debate this evening attended a concert at Afon Taf High School to mark 60 years since the Aberfan disaster. He, like me, listened to the powerful rendition of a song called 'Diversity' by the pupils of Ynysowen Community Primary School, which called for us all to embrace and celebrate cultural differences. Would you agree with me, Minister, that the Member who tabled this debate and a number of his party Members who also spoke could do well to heed the lessons in that song sung by those young people? Diolch, Weinidog Cabinet. Brynhawn Sadwrn, fel fi, mynychodd yr Aelod a gyflwynodd y ddadl hon heno gyngerdd yn Ysgol Uwchradd Afon Taf i nodi 60 mlynedd ers trychineb Aberfan. Gwrandawodd ef, fel finnau, ar ddehongliad pwerus o gân o'r enw 'Diversity' gan ddisgyblion Ysgol Gynradd Gymunedol Ynysowen, a alwai arnom i gyd i gofleidio a dathlu gwahaniaethau diwylliannol. A fyddech chi'n cytuno â mi, Weinidog, y gallai'r Aelod a gyflwynodd y ddadl hon a nifer o Aelodau ei blaid a siaradodd hefyd elwa o wrando ar y gwersi yn y gân a ganwyd gan y bobl ifanc hynny? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780911 462 En 2026-10-21T19:08:17 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=20299&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=20299&l=cy 261021-11 10. Dadl Fer: Mae gorchuddion wyneb llawn yn groes i werthoedd Prydeinig 10. Short Debate: Full-face coverings are against British values C 8670 8670 Sioned Williams AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8670 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8670 Williams, Sioned Absolutely, and properly represent their communities and the voice of their communities. Absolutely. That dog whistle varies in volume, it's always there, but it's getting louder. It lingers over those benches, a deliberately intangible thing that leaves too many wondering whether a line has been crossed. Llywydd, I am not afraid to speak up and say that, since May, that line has too often been crossed. It hides itself in plain sight: hateful speech dressed up as free speech over concerns—[Interruption.] No, we've heard enough from those benches, thank you very much. It lurks beneath what is disingenuously tonight presented as the language of common sense and—I'm not taking interventions—in today's case, British values. [Interruption.] Llywydd, can I carry on? I want the Members who have spoken in support of this debate to know that not only do we hear you but we see you. We see you for what you are. We see you weaponising discontent, driving division and stirring hate. We see you in this debate conflating the intimidating behaviour of thugs—those whose protests can descend into disorder and violence, often in demonstrations directed against migrants or Muslims—with the very people who are targeted by that intimidating behaviour. Llywydd, let me say clearly that I do not accept the premise that face coverings are in themselves contrary to our values. Such a catch-all position ignores the many legitimate reasons why face coverings are worn. People's rights to do so can, of course, be subject already to lawful and proportionate restrictions when necessary, including to prevent crime and disorder. But the justification comes from the situation and the behaviour, not from a judgment that covering one's face in itself is unacceptable and dangerous. Yn hollol, a chynrychioli eu cymunedau a llais eu cymunedau yn briodol. Yn hollol. Mae chwiban y ci'n amrywio o ran ei sŵn, ond mae bob amser yno, ac mae'n mynd yn uwch. Mae'n hofran dros y meinciau hynny, peth annirweddol o fwriad sy'n gadael gormod o bobl yn meddwl tybed a oes llinell wedi'i chroesi. Lywydd, nid wyf yn ofni codi llais a dweud bod y llinell honno wedi ei chroesi'n rhy aml ers mis Mai. Mae'n cuddio yng ngolwg pawb: llais casineb wedi'i wisgo fel llais rhyddid i lefaru ynghylch pryderon—[Torri ar draws.] Na, rydym wedi clywed digon oddi ar y meinciau hynny, diolch yn fawr iawn. Mae'n llechu o dan yr hyn sy'n cael ei gyflwyno'n dwyllodrus heno fel iaith synnwyr cyffredin ac—nid wyf yn derbyn ymyriadau—yn yr hyn a glywsom heddiw, gwerthoedd Prydeinig. [Torri ar draws.] Lywydd, a gaf i barhau? Rwyf am i'r Aelodau sydd wedi siarad i gefnogi'r ddadl hon wybod nid yn unig ein bod yn eich clywed ond rydym yn eich gweld chi hefyd. Rydym yn gweld yr hyn ydych chi. Rydym yn eich gweld chi'n arfogi anfodlonrwydd, yn gwthio rhaniadau ac yn ysgogi casineb. Rydym yn eich gweld chi yn y ddadl hon yn cyfuno ymddygiad brawychus llabystiaid—y rhai y gall eu protestiadau arwain at anhrefn a thrais, yn aml mewn protestiadau yn erbyn ymfudwyr neu Fwslimiaid—â'r union bobl sy'n cael eu targedu gan yr ymddygiad brawychus hwnnw. Lywydd, gadewch imi ddweud yn glir nad wyf yn derbyn y rhagdybiaeth fod gorchuddion wyneb ynddynt eu hunain yn groes i'n gwerthoedd. Mae safbwynt sy'n gorgyffredinoli yn y fath fodd yn anwybyddu'r nifer o resymau dilys pam y caiff gorchuddion wyneb eu gwisgo. Gall hawliau pobl i wneud hynny, wrth gwrs, fod eisoes yn destun cyfyngiadau cyfreithlon a chymesur pan fo angen, gan gynnwys i atal trosedd ac anhrefn. Ond daw'r cyfiawnhad o'r sefyllfa a'r ymddygiad, nid o farn fod gorchuddio wyneb rhywun ynddo'i hun yn annerbyniol ac yn beryglus. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 781007 463 En 2026-10-21T19:10:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=20402&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=20402&l=cy 261021-11 10. Dadl Fer: Mae gorchuddion wyneb llawn yn groes i werthoedd Prydeinig 10. Short Debate: Full-face coverings are against British values C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 781014 464 En 2026-10-21T19:10:24 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=20426&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=20426&l=cy 261021-11 10. Dadl Fer: Mae gorchuddion wyneb llawn yn groes i werthoedd Prydeinig 10. Short Debate: Full-face coverings are against British values C 12156 12156 Huw Thomas AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12156 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12156 Thomas, Huw Will you take an intervention, Minister? A wnewch chi dderbyn ymyriad, Weinidog? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 781015 465 En 2026-10-21T19:10:25 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=20427&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=20427&l=cy 261021-11 10. Dadl Fer: Mae gorchuddion wyneb llawn yn groes i werthoedd Prydeinig 10. Short Debate: Full-face coverings are against British values C 8670 8670 Sioned Williams AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8670 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8670 Williams, Sioned Yes. Gwnaf. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 781017 466 En 2026-10-21T19:10:26 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=20428&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=20428&l=cy 261021-11 10. Dadl Fer: Mae gorchuddion wyneb llawn yn groes i werthoedd Prydeinig 10. Short Debate: Full-face coverings are against British values C 12156 12156 Huw Thomas AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12156 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12156 Thomas, Huw We've heard a lot of nonsense tonight. What I haven't heard is any condemnation of the masked mobs who stormed RNLI stations across the south coast last month. Would you join me, Minister, in condemning those protesters and agree with me that a fine representation of British values is the decency and courage shown by the lifeboat crews out in the English channel saving lives, regardless of creed or skin or race or religion? Rydym wedi clywed llawer o nonsens heno. Yr hyn nad wyf wedi'i glywed yw unrhyw gondemniad o'r torfeydd yn eu mygydau a ymosododd ar orsafoedd RNLI ar draws arfordir de Lloegr fis diwethaf. A wnewch chi ymuno â mi, Weinidog, i gondemnio'r protestwyr hynny a chytuno â mi mai cynrychiolaeth wych o werthoedd Prydain yw'r gweddusrwydd a'r dewrder a ddangosir gan y criwiau bad achub allan yn sianel Lloegr yn achub bywydau, beth bynnag y bo'u cred neu liw eu crwyn neu eu hil neu eu crefydd? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 781020 467 En 2026-10-21T19:10:52 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=20454&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=20454&l=cy 261021-11 10. Dadl Fer: Mae gorchuddion wyneb llawn yn groes i werthoedd Prydeinig 10. Short Debate: Full-face coverings are against British values C 8670 8670 Sioned Williams AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8670 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8670 Williams, Sioned Absolutely. And the people of Neath showed—. We had a food fair recently where they were there out in the street. They had never had so much support and so many donations after those. The people of Neath came out and they spoke in support of the fine men and women of the RNLI. One of the reasons for wearing a face covering is, of course, an important one that I am determined to use my voice to defend: religious expression. The values of our nation are centred not on exclusion but on respect, and we as representatives of our communities should respect people of every religion within them and we should never suggest that they are in any way less or inferior because they exercise their human right to freedom of religion. People of every religion or belief should feel that they belong in Wales. I do not accept that a face covering worn by an individual for religious reasons means they don't share British or Welsh values. Nor should we suggest that someone belongs any less because their religious practice differs from that of others. Framing religious dress as contrary to British values without demonstrating any harm that justifies interference with fundamental rights risks deepening division rather than strengthening cohesion. But this is clearly Reform UK's aim here. The Jewish people of 1930s Germany were subject to the Nuremberg laws that stated they were no longer German, laws that led to their persecution and extermination by the state that stripped them of their German-ness, enabled by those who believed German-ness could not accommodate diversity. Who is the arbiter of Britishness or Welshness? Who decides that a woman who wears a face covering is less British or less Welsh? We have a moral duty and responsibility in this place to be careful about the language we use and the message we send and not to engage or encourage discrimination on the basis of race, religion or belief. Yn hollol. A dangosodd pobl Castell-nedd—. Cawsom ffair fwyd yn ddiweddar lle roeddent yno allan ar y stryd. Ni chawsant erioed gymaint o gefnogaeth a chymaint o gyfraniadau ag a gawsant ar ôl y protestiadau hynny. Daeth pobl Castell-nedd allan ac fe wnaethant siarad i gefnogi dynion a menywod gwych yr RNLI. Mae un o'r rhesymau dros wisgo gorchudd wyneb, wrth gwrs, yn un pwysig yr wyf yn benderfynol o ddefnyddio fy llais i'w amddiffyn: mynegiant crefyddol. Mae gwerthoedd ein cenedl yn canolbwyntio nid ar gau allan ond ar barch, a dylem ni fel cynrychiolwyr ein cymunedau barchu pobl o bob crefydd yn y cymunedau hynny ac ni ddylem byth awgrymu eu bod mewn unrhyw ffordd yn llai neu'n israddol am eu bod yn arfer eu hawl ddynol i ryddid crefyddol. Dylai pobl o bob crefydd neu gred deimlo eu bod yn perthyn yng Nghymru. Nid wyf yn derbyn bod gorchudd wyneb sy'n cael ei wisgo gan unigolyn am resymau crefyddol yn golygu nad ydynt yn rhannu gwerthoedd Prydeinig neu Gymreig. Ac ni ddylem awgrymu bod rhywun yn perthyn llai am fod eu harferion crefyddol yn wahanol i arferion pobl eraill. Mae fframio gwisg grefyddol fel rhywbeth sy'n groes i werthoedd Prydain heb ddangos unrhyw niwed sy'n cyfiawnhau ymyrraeth â hawliau sylfaenol yn creu perygl o ddyfnhau rhaniadau yn hytrach na chryfhau cydlyniant. Ond mae'n amlwg mai dyma yw nod Reform UK yma. Roedd pobl Iddewig yr Almaen yn y 1930au yn ddarostyngedig i ddeddfau Nuremberg a oedd yn datgan nad oeddent yn Almaenwyr mwyach, deddfau a arweiniodd at eu herlid a'u difa gan y wladwriaeth a wnaeth eu hamddifadu o'u hunaniaeth Almaenig, wedi'i alluogi gan y rhai a gredai na allai hunaniaeth Almaenig ddarparu ar gyfer amrywiaeth. Pwy sy'n barnu Prydeindod neu Gymreigrwydd? Pwy sy'n penderfynu bod menyw sy'n gwisgo gorchudd wyneb yn llai Prydeinig neu'n llai Cymreig? Mae gennym ddyletswydd foesol a chyfrifoldeb yn y lle hwn i fod yn ofalus am yr iaith a ddefnyddiwn a'r neges a gyflëwn a pheidio â gwahaniaethu ar sail hil, crefydd neu gred, nac annog gwahaniaethu o'r fath. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 781024 468 En 2026-10-21T19:12:59 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=20581&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=20581&l=cy 261021-11 10. Dadl Fer: Mae gorchuddion wyneb llawn yn groes i werthoedd Prydeinig 10. Short Debate: Full-face coverings are against British values C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Could I ask the Minister to pause for a moment, please? There's a point of order being raised. A gaf i ofyn i'r Gweinidog oedi am eiliad, os gwelwch yn dda? Mae pwynt o drefn yn cael ei godi. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 781027 469 En 2026-10-21T19:13:03 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=20585&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=20585&l=cy 261021-11 10. Dadl Fer: Mae gorchuddion wyneb llawn yn groes i werthoedd Prydeinig 10. Short Debate: Full-face coverings are against British values C 12160 12160 Stephen Senior AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12160 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12160 Senior, Stephen Just a point of order, Presiding Officer—[Inaudible.]—review, after what's been said in the last 60 seconds or so, to decide whether that's appropriate for the Chamber. Pwynt o drefn, Lywydd—[Anghlywadwy.]—adolygu, ar ôl yr hyn a ddywedwyd yn y 60 eiliad diwethaf, i benderfynu a yw hynny'n briodol i'r Siambr. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 781035 470 En 2026-10-21T19:13:14 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=20596&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=20596&l=cy 261021-11 10. Dadl Fer: Mae gorchuddion wyneb llawn yn groes i werthoedd Prydeinig 10. Short Debate: Full-face coverings are against British values C 8670 8670 Sioned Williams AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8670 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8670 Williams, Sioned What, stating history? Beth, datgan hanes? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 781036 471 En 2026-10-21T19:13:22 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=20604&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=20604&l=cy 261021-11 10. Dadl Fer: Mae gorchuddion wyneb llawn yn groes i werthoedd Prydeinig 10. Short Debate: Full-face coverings are against British values C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw I am always happy to review the Record of Proceedings and return to the matter if—if—I consider a ruling is necessary. But the Minister can respond. Rwyf bob amser yn hapus i adolygu Cofnod y Trafodion a dychwelyd at y mater os—os—ystyriaf fod angen dyfarniad. Ond fe gaiff y Gweinidog ymateb. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 781038 472 En 2026-10-21T19:13:35 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=20617&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=20617&l=cy 261021-11 10. Dadl Fer: Mae gorchuddion wyneb llawn yn groes i werthoedd Prydeinig 10. Short Debate: Full-face coverings are against British values C 8670 8670 Sioned Williams AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8670 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8670 Williams, Sioned Thank you. It was a statement of fact about what happened in Germany in the 1930s. The face coverings debate, when it is spoken about by Reform UK, is always referencing connection with religious dress. On 6 October, the deputy leader set out their position in this Chamber: they would ban the burqa and every full-face covering in public. The debate put forward on this subject in the Scottish Parliament also specifically references the burqa and niqab as the only face coverings mentioned. This dog-whistle politics, while almost always a disturbing undercurrent where Reform UK is concerned, pierces the surface of this debate and other debates more and more often. But then there are occasions where the racism, sexism and misogyny of Reform UK is plain to see. ITV's exposure Undercover: A Year in Reform, broadcast just a few days ago, recorded Reform UK members and representatives describing Asian families as parasites. A Reform candidate in Wales who was employed by the Member that brought this debate to the Chamber was recorded using abhorrent racist terms. Unsurprisingly, it also exposed the misogyny and sexism within the party—so much for a party who so often claims to want to protect women and girls. And we, as women of all races and religions, stand as one against this behaviour, this language and the so-called values of your party. Diolch. Datganiad o ffaith ydoedd am yr hyn a ddigwyddodd yn yr Almaen yn y 1930au. Mae'r ddadl ar orchuddion wyneb, pan fydd Reform UK yn siarad am hynny, bob amser yn cyfeirio at gysylltiad â gwisg grefyddol. Ar 6 Hydref, nododd y dirprwy arweinydd eu safbwynt yn y Siambr hon: byddent yn gwahardd y burqa a phob gorchudd wyneb llawn yn gyhoeddus. Mae'r ddadl a gyflwynwyd ar y pwnc hwn yn Senedd yr Alban hefyd yn cyfeirio'n benodol at y burqa a'r niqab fel yr unig orchuddion wyneb a grybwyllwyd. Mae'r wleidyddiaeth chwiban ci hon, er ei bod bron bob amser yn islais annifyr gan Reform UK, yn treiddio trwy wyneb y ddadl hon a dadleuon eraill yn fwyfwy aml. Ond wedyn mae yna achlysuron lle mae hiliaeth, rhywiaeth a misogynedd Reform UK yn amlwg i'w weld. Recordiodd datgeliad ITV Undercover: A Year in Reform, a ddarlledwyd ychydig ddyddiau'n ôl, aelodau a chynrychiolwyr Reform UK yn disgrifio teuluoedd Asiaidd fel parasitiaid. Cafodd un o ymgeiswyr Reform yng Nghymru a gyflogwyd gan yr Aelod a gyflwynodd y ddadl hon i'r Siambr ei gofnodi'n ddefnyddio termau hiliol ffiaidd. Nid yw'n syndod fod y rhaglen hefyd wedi datgelu misogynedd a'r rhywiaeth o fewn y blaid—plaid sydd mor aml yn honni ei bod eisiau diogelu menywod a merched. Ac rydym ni, fel menywod o bob hil a chrefydd, yn sefyll yn unedig yn erbyn yr ymddygiad hwn, yr iaith hon a'r hyn a elwir yn werthoedd eich plaid. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 781047 473 Cy 2026-10-21T19:14:58 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=20700&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=20700&l=en 261021-11 10. Dadl Fer: Mae gorchuddion wyneb llawn yn groes i werthoedd Prydeinig 10. Short Debate: Full-face coverings are against British values C 8670 8670 Sioned Williams AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8670 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8670 Williams, Sioned Ni ddylai neb ddweud wrth fenyw beth i wisgo. Mae parch at fenywod yn golygu parch at bob menyw—parchu bod pob menyw yn gallu gwneud ei dewisiadau ei hunan. Roedd ffigurau'r Swyddfa Gartref a gyhoeddwyd yr wythnos diwethaf yn dangos cynnydd o 13 y cant mewn troseddau casineb crefyddol a gofnodwyd gan yr heddlu yn ystod y flwyddyn hyd at Fawrth eleni. Gyda chyfanswm o 11,419 o droseddau wedi eu cofnodi, o'r rheini roedd cynnydd o 15 y cant mewn troseddau casineb sy'n targedu Mwslimiaid. Rhannodd ymatebwyr brofiadau o gael eu hymosod yn gorfforol, eu bygwth, cael pobl yn poeri arnynt a gweld eu gwisg crefyddol yn cael ei gwawdio a'i thargedu. No-one should tell a woman what to wear. Respect for women means respect for every woman—respecting the fact that every woman can make her own choices. Home Office figures published last week showed a 13 per cent increase in religious hate crimes recorded by the police during the year up to March of this year. With a total of 11,419 recorded offences, there was a 15 per cent increase in hate crimes targeting Muslims. Respondents shared experiences of being physically attacked, threatened, spat upon and having their religious attire mocked and targeted. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780894 474 Cy 2026-10-21T19:15:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=20702&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=20702&l=en 261021-11 10. Dadl Fer: Mae gorchuddion wyneb llawn yn groes i werthoedd Prydeinig 10. Short Debate: Full-face coverings are against British values C 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780899 475 En 2026-10-21T19:15:44 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=20746&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=20746&l=cy 261021-11 10. Dadl Fer: Mae gorchuddion wyneb llawn yn groes i werthoedd Prydeinig 10. Short Debate: Full-face coverings are against British values C 8670 8670 Sioned Williams AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8670 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8670 Williams, Sioned These crimes aren't just happening in faraway towns and cities, as we heard from Kiera Marshall, they're happening in our communities. When I visited a mosque in September, members of the Muslim community told me about the profound impact that Islamaphobia is having on them and how that attack, in which a Welsh Muslim woman had had her hijab torn from her head, was affecting their sense of safety and belonging. Nid mewn trefi a dinasoedd pell yn unig y mae'r troseddau hyn yn digwydd, fel y clywsom gan Kiera Marshall, maent yn digwydd yn ein cymunedau ni. Pan ymwelais â mosg ym mis Medi, dywedodd aelodau o'r gymuned Fwslimaidd wrthyf am yr effaith ddofn y mae Islamoffobia yn ei chael arnynt a sut roedd yr ymosodiad hwnnw, lle cafodd menyw Fwslimaidd o Gymru ei hijab wedi'i rwygo oddi ar ei phen, yn effeithio ar eu hymdeimlad o ddiogelwch a pherthyn. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780900 476 En 2026-10-21T19:16:06 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=20768&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=20768&l=cy 261021-11 10. Dadl Fer: Mae gorchuddion wyneb llawn yn groes i werthoedd Prydeinig 10. Short Debate: Full-face coverings are against British values C 4983 4983 Jane Dodds AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4983 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4983 Dodds, Jane Diolch yn fawr. I'll be very brief. Would you not agree with this: that actually Reform UK's recent debates, including this one, are designed to divide and are designed to bring fear—[Interruption.]—to bring fear to our communities? And on this day, where you started, we should be in unity together. Would you not agree that this is shameful by Reform UK? Diolch yn fawr. Fe fyddaf yn fyr iawn. Oni fyddech chi'n cytuno â hyn: fod dadleuon diweddar Reform UK, gan gynnwys yr un hon, wedi'u llunio i rannu ac i godi ofn—[Torri ar draws.]—i godi ofn yn ein cymunedau? Ac ar y diwrnod hwn, lle dechreuoch chi, dylem fod yn unedig gyda'n gilydd. Oni fyddech chi'n cytuno bod hyn yn gywilyddus gan Reform UK? 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780901 477 En 2026-10-21T19:16:33 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=20795&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=20795&l=cy 261021-11 10. Dadl Fer: Mae gorchuddion wyneb llawn yn groes i werthoedd Prydeinig 10. Short Debate: Full-face coverings are against British values C 8670 8670 Sioned Williams AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8670 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8670 Williams, Sioned I absolutely agree that it's shameful. And what's also shameful is the claim that Muslim women are somehow voiceless and forced to dress against their will. That's as sexist as it is Islamaphobic. These experiences and the stubbornly high rates of hate crime don't happen by accident, they happen by design. They do so by deliberately pitting communities against each other for political gain, which is as shameful as it is hateful. The philosopher Hannah Arendt, herself deemed 'un-German' and forced to flee her native land, warned that the death of human empathy is one of the earliest and most telling signs of a culture on the verge of descending into barbarism. What can stop that descent is the power and protection of universal human rights. So, if we are to talk about British values, let us talk first and foremost about those rights, those freedoms that are enshrined in British laws: the freedom of religion—everyone in Wales is protected by the Equality Act 2010 and the Human Rights Act 1998—a freedom that Reform appear to have a problem with. Because the pattern is always the same: they claim to be champions of freedom—[Interruption.]—no, I won't—but only when it fits their narrow and singular definition, a dangerous, exclusionary definition. We must never be bystanders to bigotry and hatred. And, Llywydd, this Government will always celebrate the plurality of our communities. We will always challenge those who claim that our differences divide us. Our values are demonstrated by how we treat one another. In her report on the war crimes trial of the Nazi Adolf Eichmann, Hannah Arendt suggested that his evil stemmed from an inability to think from the standpoint of someone else. That lack of empathy, that ability to see others as less, is what we must constantly guard against in this society. And that empathy must be expressed by those with power and influence through the language they use. So, finally, Llywydd, at a time when racism and Islamaphobia, fuelled by deliberate political discourse, are becoming increasingly normalised, we should remind ourselves that we, as elected Members in this Chamber, hold a position of privilege and of power. Our words matter and we can't afford to stay silent. [Applause.] Rwy'n cytuno'n llwyr ei fod yn gywilyddus. A beth sydd hefyd yn gywilyddus yw'r honiad fod menywod Mwslimaidd rywsut yn ddi-lais ac yn cael eu gorfodi i wisgo yn erbyn eu hewyllys. Mae hynny'n rhywiaethol ac yn Islamoffobig. Nid yw'r profiadau hyn a'r cyfraddau ystyfnig o uchel o droseddau casineb yn digwydd trwy ddamwain, cânt eu cynllunio i ddigwydd. Fe'i gwnânt trwy osod cymunedau yn erbyn ei gilydd yn fwriadol er budd gwleidyddol, sy'n gywilyddus ac yn llawn casineb. Rhybuddiodd yr athronydd Hannah Arendt, a ystyriai ei hun yn 'an-Almaenig' ac a orfodwyd i ffoi o'i gwlad enedigol, fod marwolaeth empathi dynol yn un o'r arwyddion cynharaf a mwyaf amlwg o ddiwylliant ar fin disgyn i farbariaeth. Yr hyn a all atal y cwymp yw pŵer a diogelwch hawliau dynol cyffredinol. Felly, os ydym am siarad am werthoedd Prydain, gadewch inni siarad yn gyntaf am yr hawliau hynny, y rhyddid sydd wedi'i ymgorffori mewn cyfreithiau Prydeinig: rhyddid crefyddol—caiff pawb yng Nghymru ei amddiffyn gan Ddeddf Cydraddoldeb 2010 a Deddf Hawliau Dynol 1998—rhyddid y mae'n ymddangos ei fod yn peri problem i Reform. Oherwydd mae'r patrwm bob amser yr un fath: maent yn honni eu bod yn hyrwyddo rhyddid—[Torri ar draws.]—na wnaf—ond dim ond pan fo'n cyd-fynd â'u diffiniad cul a neilltuol eu hunain, diffiniad peryglus sy'n cau pobl allan. Ni ddylem byth aros yn fud yn wyneb rhagfarn a chasineb. Lywydd, bydd y Llywodraeth hon bob amser yn dathlu lluosogrwydd ein cymunedau. Byddwn bob amser yn herio'r rhai sy'n honni bod ein gwahaniaethau yn ein rhannu. Caiff ein gwerthoedd eu hamlygu gan y ffordd rydym yn trin ein gilydd. Yn ei hadroddiad ar achos troseddau rhyfel y Natsi Adolf Eichmann, awgrymodd Hannah Arendt fod ei ddrygioni'n deillio o anallu i feddwl o safbwynt rhywun arall. Y diffyg empathi hwnnw, y gallu i weld eraill fel pethau llai, yw'r hyn y mae'n rhaid inni warchod yn ei erbyn yn gyson yn y gymdeithas hon. Ac mae'n rhaid i'r empathi hwnnw gael ei fynegi gan y rhai sydd â phŵer a dylanwad drwy'r iaith a ddefnyddiant. Felly, yn olaf, Lywydd, ar adeg pan fo hiliaeth ac Islamoffobia, wedi'u tanio gan ddisgwrs wleidyddol fwriadol, yn cael eu normaleiddio fwyfwy, dylem atgoffa ein hunain ein bod ni, fel Aelodau etholedig yn y Siambr hon, yn dal swydd freintiedig a phwerus. Mae ein geiriau'n bwysig ac ni allwn fforddio aros yn dawel. [Cymeradwyaeth.] 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780908 478 Cy 2026-10-21T19:19:18 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16318?startPos=20960&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16318?startPos=20960&l=en 261021-11 10. Dadl Fer: Mae gorchuddion wyneb llawn yn groes i werthoedd Prydeinig 10. Short Debate: Full-face coverings are against British values C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Daw hynny â thrafodion heddiw i ben. Diolch yn fawr iawn. That brings today's proceedings to a close. Thank you. 16318 7 2026-10-21T13:30:01 780909 479 Cy 261021-11 10. Dadl Fer: Mae gorchuddion wyneb llawn yn groes i werthoedd Prydeinig 10. Short Debate: Full-face coverings are against British values I Daeth y cyfarfod i ben am 19:19. The meeting ended at 19:19.